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Everyone is Dennis Kucinich Now
The results in Massachusetts, Arkansas, New York, Ohio and Indiana show that Democrats are probably a lot closer to Dennis Kucinich than they are to the so-called “centrists” like Joe Lieberman whose corporatism has dictated the terms of the Senate health care bill. Raw Story spoke to Kucinich:
The 13-year congressman lamented the lack of change in economic policies, tying it to the major problems Democrats are facing.
“The minute the president appointed Tim Geithner and Larry Summers to key policy positions, and the minute that [Ben] Bernanke was named to head the Fed again, we’re looking at people who participated in the decline of the economy,” he said. “This group has done us a disservice.”Ironically Obama is citing Paul Volker this morning, who has scrapped with Summers and Geithner and been marginalized within the administration up until now.
What does Kucinich think of the health care bill?
“Health care became too complex and too riddled with concessions to insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies,” he said. “It’s really time to take a new direction and that direction has to be back to the American people.”
One idea Democrats are floating is to pass the Senate bill through the House, which would then allow the President to sign it into law.
“I don’t think that’s going to happen,” he said. “The senate bill is so totally flawed that I don’t think it can get the votes in the House to pass. I certainly wouldn’t vote for it.”
“It hits very sharply at people who gave wage concessions to get health care benefits,” he said, citing the excise tax on health care benefits. “We’re going to ask Americans to take a wage cut? Why?”
“We lost the initiative the minute that our party jumped into bed with the insurance companies. And soon they were looking at increasing taxes as a way of subsidizing insurance companies. It’s just madness.”
“We’re redistributing the wealth of the nation upwards by giving the insurance companies 30 million new customers, $50 billion a year more in revenue.”
Meanwhile, Matt Yglesias continues the “attack the character of the President’s critics” tactic that has been the hallmark of the Senate bill’s apologist. He says Raul Grijalva is flirting with the title of “history’s greatest monster” status. The reason for this? Well, Grijalva doesn’t accept the “60 vote” myth that has been used to push the false choice of “what Joe Lieberman wants or nothing.” Harry Reid, Chris Van Hollen and Kent Conrad have all now said that “sidecar reconciliation” is possible. Max Baucus has gone so far as to say “reconciliation will be part of the solution.”
The price of continuing to cling to that myth should be obvious by now: the Senate health care bill in its current form threatens to decimate the Democratic party. The general public continues to echo Kucinich’s sentiments about the bill — and the administration’s pro-corporatist approach — without respect for party. It’s only a tiny bubble of self-reinforcing pundits living in a hermetically sealed intellectual environment whose worldview has not been penetrated by that reality. It would be easier to accept the notion that they are acting in good faith if they didn’t seek to demonize those who have advanced very compelling reasons for disagreeing with the articles of faith of their worldview, which at this point only represents a teeny, tiny minority of the public.
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Show AllIf the choice is the Senate Health care reform plan or nothing. Then nothing is the ONLY choice.
The Senate plan is a poison pill for the people and nothing less than unconditional surrender to the insurance industry.
I was listening to the radio this morning and heard Obama allude to actually not allowing banks to be too big to fail, rather than the token tax talk we have heard from him to date.
Obviously the devil will be in the details, but this is the first time Obama has started sounding like FDR and not sounding like Herbert Hoover.
It would be nice to see Geithner replaced with Nomi Prins and Summers replaced with Paul Volcker.
In reaction to Mass. election Obomber will do just enough to delude enough people that he is doing the right thing, and then probably rescind it after the election.
"In reaction to Mass. election Obomber will do just enough to delude enough people that he is doing the right thing, and then probably rescind it after the election."
Like he's done all along.
Agreed.
It would also be nice to see Obama replaced with Dennis Kucinich!!!
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Wooooowheeeeeee!!
Dennis Kucinich, NOW!
Yes, we have to DEMAND the democrat party nominate Dennis in 2012.
And Dennis deserves all of our support now whether he runs or not because he is a true public servant working for all people.
raydelcamino sez: "Obviously the devil will be in the details, but this is the first time Obama has started sounding like FDR and not sounding like Herbert Hoover."
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Actually, he "sounded" fairly populist in the primaries until Hillary was dispatched, at which point he peeled off to the right for his FISA vote and general election campaign. So there is a precedent for the lingo.
On the other hand, we will have to wait to see if the action matches the oratory. Not being suicidal, I won't be holding my breath for that eventuality.
"I was listening to the radio this morning and heard Obama ..."
Yeah, don't you just love to hear him talk?
I'm sorry but can someone explain why Arkansas is mentioned.
I, unfortunately, live in Arkansas which is a hotbed of Conservatism gone amok.
Jane ,the circular firing squad is forming.Glad that the Democrats have corporate flack jackets.Unfortunately the un-aligned will be hit by the ricochets.Time to start from scratch with single payer.Everybody in Nobody Out!
be well please!
With due respect to Jane Hamsher, "Everyone is Dennis Kucinich Now," everyone with any progressive sensibilities has always been Kucinich in their hearts, whether they realized it or not. Kucinich is mainstream American core values of honesty, intelligence, peace, justice and compassion for all people. While he remains where he really doesn't "belong," in the thoroughly corrupted Democratic Party, whenever he speaks to the issues of the our time, he speaks from a clear articulation of those values. He is truly a man of the people and it's an imperative need that he and we find a way together that we can start to reclaim the American polity for those American values.
If you want to know what I think...
see above.
You said it perfectly.
The author is clearly referring to voters, not Democrat politicos, about most of whom you are correct.
While CD readers are Dennis, my observations of the Democratic Party faithful is that the only thing they know about Dennis is that his wife is taller than he is (although I have followed Dennis for a decade, I didn't know this fact until one year ago when a Democrat told me).
The DLC, AARP, media and many others treat out-of-the-mainstream leaders like Kucinich, Nader, Dean and others like extremists who are not to be taken seriously.
The Democratic Party faithful are as guilty as the teabaggers for falling for celebrity over substance.
How will Dennis get the following he deserves?
Aren't ALL of us who want social and economic justice treated like "extremists"?
THAT is WHY everyone is Dennis Kucinich. Dennis Kucinich IS one of us.
HOW will Dennis get the following??
Start NOW by supporting him with your words and your money.
I would not recommend sending any Democrat a penny. If Dennis wants to go independent, like Bernie Sanders, I might send him some money. Unfortunately, even Sanders acts less and less like and indie and more and more like a Dem. They think they have no place else to go! hmmm, where have we heard that one before? Are we all hostages?
I, for one, cheerfully accept the news that I am Dennis Kucinich.
And now if you'll excuse me, I need to spend some Quality Time with the missus.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Well played, sir.
Speaking of Kucinich, remember when the Democrats broke their own rules and barred him from the presidential candidate debates? Even despite his having significant enough support to be included?
And now, somehow, the Democrats are "much closer to him"? Exactly what have the Democrats done in the past year since then, that leads one to believe that they have moved closer to Kucinich?
Even on the subject of healthcare, was it the removal of Dr. Howard Dean as party chairman, a strong healthcare reform proponent, is that the evidence that they have moved closer to Kucinich? Or was it the "taking of the table" of single payer?
But of course Hamscher is talking about rank and file Dems, not the leadership, when she says they are closer to Kucinich. in which case my question is, aren't they, and Kucinich, in the wrong party? The Dems are controlled by the corporations. The insurance and drug companies don't pay Obama and his team to "move closer to Kucinich". The corporations are in the business of making money, and their stock values are through the roof since the senate "reform" bill got passed.
AARP also excluded Kucinich from the debates they sponsored during the 2008 campaign.
And the DEM jackasses never use their other effective weapons of veto, purse, impeachment, Senate "secret" holds, filiBusters, as well as the current simple majority "reconciliation"; against the morally bankrupt corporate miserepublicans!
And here in Ohio what with the liberal media and all I have to go to CD to hear what Dennis has said. I'm not in his district but the last time that Dennis appeared on my local TV station was to highlight him in a negative way for some minor -but exagerated- mis-step.
At a Native Site the discussion has been about things now. To which the reply of my writings within the topic was, different day, same old crap.
So the next day I went to town. That included stopping by a store for a couple things.
So I started singing in my John Lennon voice,
There you find yourself at the store
The prices going up more & more
It's true & you know it's a fact
It's nothing but the same old crap
So I lay the couple things I am buying on a cash register lane that isn't open & go use the men's room. I come back & a cashier is opening that lane. Someone else is there in front of me. The cashier sees me reaching for the stuff I laid their, and asks, Is that yours?
I say, Not until I pay for it.
She looks at me kind of strange. And I repeat, it's not mine until I pay for it. As if it were mine I wouldn't have to stop at the cash register.
As my old Indian dad said, their world is a series of cash registers in all direction until you die.
So I am saying to the cashier, God made it all free & man attached a value money to it.
She says, well if you had a garden you could grow your own food.
And I say, or you could've lived like the Tribes. And everyone in line now, and at the surrounding cash registers is looking a me.
Yep, had not Columbus sailed, & the Pilgrims landed I'd just be hunting & fishing today.
So the song has grown at that Site.
Over the holiday the European's call Christmas I got an invite to a friends gathering.
As usual I am just my silent self. Sitting on the couch drinking coffee while everyone else yakked. A fellow was there I had met a couple years before. The friend that invited us played him a song I recorded in the early 80's in between times to which the guy said, it was one of the greatest songs he ever heard.
So this guy starts playing my friend's guitar. He plays a while & finishes. So I start playing, and it's Bang, instant on. Instant credit is gonna get you, make you worry & feel afraid.
So he's yammering on about music, this, that, & the other.
Another women comes into my friends residence, and everyone except the other guy & myself go to talk to her in the kitchen. So I am still playing, and he's yammering on about music.
I say to him, If I had my druthers I'd just of as soon lived a 1000 years in ago & just gathered with the Tribe for some drumming & chanting & never heard any commercialized crap music.
He says to me, you really disturb me, but that's what I like about you.
I'd just as soon never laid eyes on this nuclear waste world of the cash register people with their Roman Senate. Their mighty legions upon the earth murdering off people everywhere for their almighty dollar they worship.
But regardless today is just another day of the same old crap in the time continuum that leads from beginning to end. I wrote a short story where America invades the Kingdom of Heaven to make it safe for Democracy.
Life upon a planet in space. God ushered in Creation & here we all are now.
Life is good. What an experience! It's always best to forgive.
Great post.
Dennis Kucinich IS our lone voice for social and economic justice for the people of Cleveland, the people of the U.S. and the people of the world.
There is STILL something wrong with KANSAS. We continue to vote against our own best interests.
SUPPORT Dennis Kucinich NOW. He IS a true Democrat. He did NOT leave the principles and values of the democrat party, THEY left.
Whether he switches parties or not IS irrelevant.
ANY party can be corrupted, green, orange, yellow or blue.
SUPPORT Dennis Kucinich NOW for who he has been, who he is and who he always will be; a public servant working FOR the people.
If Kucinich doesn't leave the Democraptics they will torpedo him the very same as the repugs did to Ron Paul. To have a shot at the presidency he would HAVE to leave the party.
No doubt about it!
The Democratic Party is a failed institution. Dennis Kucinich needs to get out of it and at least as far away from the Democrats as Shadow Democrat, Bernie Sanders, is. Naw wait. That's not very far!
But until he is out and at least a step or two away from this corproate corruption called the National Party of Dumb Asses, Dennis is just still part of the overall problem. He is mud to get stuck in, that's all. MUD!
While I have would have dearly loved to see Kucinich in the WH (from the moment I first became aware of his existence) I have to agree that Kucinich is, wittingly or not, becoming the only reason anyone with any brains or heart would ever vote democrat, and I have zero faith in that party any longer. So I think you're correct that his affiliation with that party is a bad thing simply because of the temptation his presence offers people who might otherwise actually consider voting outside the two major parties.
But then I don't have faith in any of the other parties either, and some are actually worse than the reps/dems (if that were possible).
He can always run as an independent. Bernie Sanders did it. I think we'd be better off electing as may independents as possible, with no party affiliation. We should purge the two parties from government as much as possible.
Let me just say it. Sister you hit the old nail right on the head! Bravo big time!
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Whatever obummer sounds like have proven to be deadly lies; and what he acts like...well thats been slaughter by amerikas military and plunder by the capitalists !
"Everyone is Dennis Kucinich now"
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... until 2012, when everyone is "Dennis who?".
Medicare for all needs to be the center of the health care debate. Medicare for all would cost less than the 2.4 trillion spent now. France ranks number one in healthcare outcomes, covers everyone, and it costs them half as much per person. We all need to urge congress and public interest foundations to focus on the cost savings and improved outcomes with Medicare for all. Surely America can compete with France in coverage, total costs, and outcomes.
Sorry to say, as has been being telegraphed for months now, SS and Medicare will soon be Obombers next victims.
It happened last night. SS and Medicare and Medicaid are to be trimmed down. By executive order.
Gary
Mark my words. If SS and Medicare go bye bye it'll be at the hands of the so-called 'liberal party'. Bush got more opposition from his own Republican owned house and Senate than he did when he lost them to the Dems. The traitorous jack-asses gave him whatever he wanted. That anyone would think there are actually two parties dominating things is just mind blowing to me.
Ever notice how when the Democrats get in hot water--like with the Wall Street bailouts etc.--the Democratic apologists (even though they're "critical" of the Democrats) always roll out Dennis Kucinich as a kind of token representation of the true principles and values at the heart of being a Democrat?
Like it's a favorite last-ditch attempt to keep those Democrats growing increasingly anxious on board.
I think Kucinich should leave the party and stop allowing himself to be used.
Time to discard both wings of the One Corporate Party and start a People's Movement with a People's Party running candidates who will truly represent the needs and concerns of all working people and NEVER be corporate lackeys.
If that sounds too idealistic or utopian, then we might as well forget about salvaging any remnants of democracy here and accept our doom as corporate drones.
kucinich serves his purpose to the dems . he is like those small yappy dogs that bark alot; nothing (N O T H I N G) is ever accomplished or rectified from his little periodic ranting. He does not have to fear attacks on his personal or private doings being on the front page or ending up in a plane crash . He is a minor distraction . He is a chihuahua .
Several years ago, I would have vehemently disagreed with you.
But having worked my buns off to help Kucinich get elected, and knowing many others who offered their professional help, only to be slapped in the face by this two-bit phony--well, I can't exactly say THAT, since no one I know could ever even get a message to him, or offer constructive criticism to his Mickey Mouse campaign--but I can say that if a politician is not accessible to his core constituents and can't run his own campaign, there is no way he is going to run a country, let alone one as diverse as ours.
Give me someone who actually believes what Kucinich says, and has the ability to make it happen, and I'll be one of millions working long hours to get him elected.
I have a better analogy.
He is perfume on a whore.
(Sorry Dennis - nothing personal. Quit that party and I'll vote for you.)
I didn't vote or really understand who Kucinich was in 08. I didn't realize that there were so many different fractions within a party.
With a new growing class of poor, the once middle class (which didn’t become wealthy) I think they will discover that slight in stature, large eared man whose name they recognise but didn't care to understand (they had enough money). I think this segment is about to become a force and I think Kucinich's voice will reach them. What are their options? Hillary? Sarah Palin? Mitt?, ugh, the list just get's ickier. I'm not holding out for Obama, who doesn't understand DC. They're walking all over him. Tough times pushes people to seek values, they mature and this is good for someone like Kucinich, who acts more the leather on a whip, than an intellectual who can give a good but useless speech.
Kucinich has kahunas, and he's seasoned. I love to fanaticize who his administration will be. Exciting years. My God, the house cleaning, and the yelling and screaming, attempts to sabotage and blackmail. More of us will live listening to our radios than watching TV (poverty thing) and we will support Kucinich for what he stands for and he’ll show us we can believe him. He's already done that.
But please be aware of the segment of Kucinich followers who have the Eeyore syndrome. Eeyore from Whinnie the Pooh, the pathetic, ragged, patched up donkey with his head hung low. They’d be the first to allude to other’s how intelligent they are having been a Kucinich follower forever. They’re tenacious creatures and will not quit until they’ve drug you down, and they’ll tell you Kucinich will never win. But don’t be alarmed, it’s just their nature. Ignore them.
Kucinich NOW!
..."so-called "centrist" like Joe Lieberman...."
At first, I thought, "What, are you kidding me?"
But then, I thought, "Well maybe, in a United States of Global Domination that thinks that Obama is a Progressive."
What an unbelievably willfully ignorant nation!
Have you seen the new t-shirts at CorrenteWire.com? They're wonderful! I can't get the graphic to post here, but it says:
"2L4O"
Too Liberal for Obama
Of course, you have to see it, as this description does it no justtice. Here are the links to both CorrenteWire and the original blog for the shirts. I predict they will be very popular, based on the comments at CW!
http://www.correntewire.com/are_you_2l4o
http://2l4o.blogspot.com/
I agree completely with Daniel Geery (down below). I had precisely the same experience: Began to work on his campaign as a state coordinator and found total chaos. Mr. Kucinich has great ideas and political instincts, but demonstrated no intention of actually winning or even of developing a coherent, serious campaign that actually thought about gaining delegates. He owes his supporters and campaigners an apology. He used them only as a tool for his desire to participate in the discussion. How very sad.
Kucinich - 2012 - Independent NOT democrat
So - where are the marketing gurus? If we want to get him in, then we have to "sell" him to the populace. Regardless of whether branding is nauseating, that's what it will take. If homely is how he is then, then market that. Trust, down-to-earth, like your neighbour, you get the drift.
If the hopeful were disenchanted, the cynics reinforced with Obama, let's not sit back and wait for Palin and whoever to get elected by the masses.
This would mean, perhaps, "everyone outside the Democratic Party"?
But this is not news. In 2008, the electorate polled closer to Nader or McKinney than to 0bama or McCain.
The trick is to crack the good old boy's club that holds publicity and elections.
We need election reform.