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The Underlying Divisions in the Health Care Debate
Shared contempt for the Bush administration (at least once Bush and the Iraq War became discredited) largely obscured these differences when Bush was in office. The desire to undermine the Bush GOP and dislodge that movement from power subsumed all other objectives and united people with vastly different political outlooks and agendas. There is still a shared revulsion towards the Palin/Limbaugh Right, but that faction is too marginalized and impotent to serve the same function. With the unifying force of Bush/Cheney gone, the divisions Kilgore describes are now vibrant and increasingly potent. In addition to health care and Iraq, roughly the same progressive fault lines are seen over the bank bailout, escalation in Afghanistan, Obama's economic team, tolerance for Obama's embrace of Bush/Cheney civil liberties polices, and even the reaction to Matt Taibbi's recent Rolling Stone article on Obama's subservience to Wall Street.
There are many reasons for the progressive division on the health care bill. There are differences over the narrow question of health care policy, with some believing the bill does more harm than good just on that ground alone. Some of it has to do with broader questions of political power: if progressives always announce that they are willing to accept whatever miniscule benefits are tossed at them (on the ground that it's better than nothing) and unfailingly support Democratic initiatives (on the ground that the GOP is worse), then they will (and should) always be ignored when it comes time to negotiate; nobody takes seriously the demands of those who announce they'll go along with whatever the final outcome is. But the most significant underlying division identified by Kilgore is the divergent views over the rapidly growing corporatism that defines our political system.
Kilgore doesn't call it "corporatism" -- the virtually complete dominance of government by large corporations, even a merger between the two -- but that's what he's talking about. He puts it in slightly more palatable terms:
To put it simply, and perhaps over-simply, on a variety of fronts (most notably financial restructuring and health care reform, but arguably on climate change as well), the Obama administration has chosen the strategy of deploying regulated and subsidized private sector entities to achieve progressive policy results. This approach was a hallmark of the so-called Clintonian, "New Democrat" movement, and the broader international movement sometimes referred to as "the Third Way," which often defended the use of private means for public ends.
As I've written for quite some time, I've honestly never understood how anyone could think that Obama was going to bring about some sort of "new" political approach or governing method when, as Kilgore notes, what he practices -- politically and substantively -- is the Third Way, DLC, triangulating corporatism of the Clinton era, just re-packaged with some sleeker and more updated marketing. At its core, it seeks to use government power not to regulate, but to benefit and even merge with, large corporate interests, both for political power (those corporate interests, in return, then fund the Party and its campaigns) and for policy ends. It's devoted to empowering large corporations, letting them always get what they want from government, and extracting, at best, some very modest concessions in return. This is the same point Taibbi made about the Democratic Party in the context of economic policy:
The significance of all of these appointments isn't that the Wall Street types are now in a position to provide direct favors to their former employers. It's that, with one or two exceptions, they collectively offer a microcosm of what the Democratic Party has come to stand for in the 21st century. Virtually all of the Rubinites brought in to manage the economy under Obama share the same fundamental political philosophy carefully articulated for years by the Hamilton Project: Expand the safety net to protect the poor, but let Wall Street do whatever it wants.
One finds this in far more than just economic policy, and it's about more than just letting corporations do what they want. It's about affirmatively harnessing government power in order to benefit and strengthen those corporate interests and even merging government and the private sector. In the intelligence and surveillance realms, for instance, the line between government agencies and private corporations barely exists. Military policy is carried out almost as much by private contractors as by our state's armed forces. Corporate executives and lobbyists can shuffle between the public and private sectors so seamlessly because the divisions have been so eroded. Our laws are written not by elected representatives but, literally, by the largest and richest corporations. At the level of the most concentrated power, large corporate interests and government actions are basically inseparable.
The health care bill is one of the most flagrant advancements of this corporatism yet, as it bizarrely forces millions of people to buy extremely inadequate products from the private health insurance industry -- regardless of whether they want it or, worse, whether they can afford it (even with some subsidies). In other words, it uses the power of government, the force of law, to give the greatest gift imaginable to this industry -- tens of millions of coerced customers, many of whom will be truly burdened by having to turn their money over to these corporations -- and is thus a truly extreme advancement of this corporatist model. It's undeniably true that the bill will also do some genuine good, as it will help many people who can't get coverage now to get it (though it will also severely burden many people with compelled, uncontrolled premiums and will potentially weaken coverage for millions as well). If one judges the bill purely from the narrow perspective of coverage, a rational and reasonable (though by no means conclusive) case can be made in its favor. But if one finds this creeping corporatism to be a truly disturbing and nefarious trend, then the bill will seem far less benign.
As I've noted before, this growing opposition to corporatism -- to the virtually absolute domination of our political process by large corporations -- is one of the many issues that transcend the trite left/right drama endlessly used as a distraction. The anger among both the left and right towards the bank bailout, and towards lobbyist influence in general, illustrates that. Kilgore says that anger among the left and right over corporatism is irreconcilable, and this is the point I think he has mostly wrong:
To put it more bluntly, on a widening range of issues, Obama's critics to the right say he's engineering a government takeover of the private sector, while his critics to the left accuse him of promoting a corporate takeover of the public sector. They can't both be right, of course, and these critics would take the country in completely different directions if given a chance. But the tactical convergence is there if they choose to pursue it.
This supposedly irreconcilable difference Kilgore identifies is more semantics than substance. It's certainly true that health care opponents on the left want more a expansive plan while opponents on the right want the opposite. But the objections over the mandate are largely identical -- it's a coerced gift to the private health insurance industry that underwrites the Democratic Party. The same was true over opposition to the bailout, objections to lobbying influence over Washington, and most of all, the growing anger that Washington serves the interests of financial elites at the expense of the working class.
Whether you call it "a government takeover of the private sector" or a "private sector takeover of government," it's the same thing: a merger of government power and corporate interests which benefits both of the merged entities (the party in power and the corporations) at everyone else's expense. Growing anger over that is rooted far more in an insider/outsider dichotomy over who controls Washington than it is in the standard conservative/liberal ideological splits from the 1990s. It's true that the people who are angry enough to attend tea parties are being exploited and misled by GOP operatives and right-wing polemicists, but many of their grievences about how Washington is ignoring their interests are valid, and the Democratic Party has no answers for them because it's dependent upon and supportive of that corporatist model. That's why they turn to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh; what could a Democratic Party dependent upon corporate funding and subservient to its interests possibly have to say to populist anger?
Even if one grants the arguments made by proponents of the health care bill about increased coverage, what the bill does is reinforces and bolsters a radically corrupt and flawed insurance model and and an even more corrupt and destructive model of "governing." It is a major step forward for the corporatist model, even a new innovation in propping it up. How one weighs those benefits and costs -- both in the health care debate and with regard to many of Obama's other policies -- depends largely upon how devoted one is to undermining and weakening this corporatist framework (as opposed to exploiting it for political gain and some policy aims). That's one of the primary underlying divisions Kilgore identifies, and he's right to call for greater examination and debate over the role it is playing.
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Show All'The enemy of my enemy is my friend'.....
That is a mindset which always turns everything on its head.
Please explain 'progressive' bloggers who supported the iraq war? Seriously.
I suppose we may as well not even use the english language anymore. Nothing means nothing.
White man (or white black man) truly does speak with forked tongue!
Indeed!!!
I would posit that a pro-Iraq War progressive is not a progressive. Listen again to "Love Me I'm a Liberal" by Phil Ochs for a musical snapshot of a pro-war "progressive".
PS - Why is it that all my 40-year-old protest songs are still relevant?
wcdevins...I shall look that song up!
To hazard a guess to your rhetorical query.....It is because nothing has essentially changed since then!
because things don't really change, because we were the ones that let it happen!
I had the premonition that GW Shrub would start the war with Iraq, if for no other reason than to show his "old" man that he, GW, had more testosterone...
Isn't it time we sat out one or two cycles and don't vote?
By "we" I mean those progressives that are completely turned off with the political system in this country for the past 40 years or so.
Thanks and Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukka.
Not voting isn't an option. By doing so we cede our electoral power ( as little as it may be) to the republicans. If these fools gain power again (watch for Tim Pawlentry of Minnesota...Sara Dumbfuck is no threat) we are all cooked. The republicans by nature are autoritarians. They want control over anything they can get. The democratic party on the other hand has also sold out. They are not dependable. But...just because the two major parties do not fit the bill is not a reason to avoid voting. Vote your conscience. Vote third party. If you don't like the choices, write one in. At least it is a vote of protest! PLEASE don't give that away!
Merry Christmas (or whatever you celebrate) to you too my friend! (The same to all CommonDreams readers. Thank you for caring! It really does matter!!)
Greenwald purposely conflates corporate with financial. The only non-financial corporations that are flourishing under the ZOG (Zionist Occupied Government) are the weapons manufacturers, who are necessary for the endless wars the ZOG requires. Insurance companies are financial companies, they produce nothing. Insurance companies, like banks, are the means the ZOG uses to rob the country of its wealth. The Obama 'healthcare' bill is another monstrous give away to the financial interests.
??? can you elaborate. I am not understanding, but wish to.
I can't get past that 'progressives' supported the iraq 'war'!
Eisenhower warned about the military/industrial complex in the fifties.
It just shows how far to the right American has come. In the 50s a Republican ex-general president could warn us about the military/industrial complex, and get away with it. Has any president since then given any such warnings?
I can't believe how much i am posting here all of a sudden! It has been awhile.
True about Eisenhower being the last. And i just read that he actually warned about the 'military/industrial/surveillence'. Something along those lines.
It was the military/industrial/CONGRESSIONAL complex - but Ike's people told him to take out the "Congress" bit because of "paybacks".
Apart from Ike, VIRTUALLY ALL our glorious leaders feed from the trough, build their entire lives around murder death and theft...then when they're walking away, they toss a couple of lines over their shoulder to the peanut gallery as they leave the room, "Watch out for those guys, they're real nasty." Then they go play golf and join the speaking tour. It's the American way.
Thank you Lucky! Yes. That was it!
I guess i said 'surveillence' because i was projecting my own thoughts. ;-)
Please don't forget it was Eisenhower who destroyed Guatemala to benefit his friends at United Fruit.
George, it took a convicted felon by the name of John Mitchell (attorney general under Nixon) to predict America's future. Back in his halcyon days in the Nixon Admin, before he had his wife committed for telling the truth to journalists, before he was convicted of his crimes (he wouldn't be today) he said in the early 70's - "...this country is going so far to the right, you won't recognize it."
Johnny had his thumb on the pulse of America. He knew that the White Majority confronted with the DEATH of White Male Supremacy, Gender Slavery, Constant War, and feral Oligarchy - the White Majority would "run" lock step back to the 12th century. They were confronted and they did run back to the 12th century. We had it all and we threw it away. We ran from Freedom like it was a disease. And here we are - the monsters who deliberately committed genocide, germ warfare, chemical warfare, nuked civilians AND got away with it ALL - are going back to the general squalor, degradation, and destitution that will GUARANTEE the continuation of Authoritarian Patriarchy, (White) Male Supremacy, Gender Slavery, Constant War, and feral blood drinking Oligarchy as the glue that binds the shitcake together. Apparently that's a more comfortable fit. Besides White people were never comfortable with literacy, it got in the way of their FAITH.
As a sign my words are true - by the mid 60's our feral blood drinking Oligarchy was nearly moribund as a social caste as a direct and intended result of Roosevelt Legacy taxation. Most don't know this so I'll give you the numbers: 91-93% on earned income over $3-6mn (adjusted since '35); 53% on unearned income (Mr. Forbes et al); and 50% on Mega-Estates (Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, Gates, Walton et al). The richfilth animals knew these policies would eliminate them as "players in the game". That's why Prescott Bush, his cronies on Wall Street, and in the Pentagon attempted the 1935 Business Coup (they were caught because Prescott blew his load to Smedley Darlington Butler who rolled him to Harry Hopkins who took it to Franklin - they cut the animals a deal and we got the Legacy - later of course the double traitor Prescott was caught laundering money through his bank for Hitler in '42 and was liquidated). Prescott was obviously a poor conspirator and possessed of limited mental abilities, no doubt due to the inbreeding of richfilth animals.
At any rate, by the mid 60's they were nearly as dead as barrow mounds and the divine right of kings - but without them the White Majority had no "glue" to "keep everyone in their place." So they deliberately force fed the bodies and lives of working class men, women, and children to the richfilth animals until they were bloated like ticks. And here we are.
I know, it's horrific, but it answers all the evidence of our actual behavior.
Well, Lucky.
I must say that it did occur to me at some point during the past few years, that the meta-narrative seems to be that the 'white' patriarchy has seen its global dominance dwindling. Sheer numbers alone.
It goes back to evangelism. Which is democratization. "We well kill you and torture you for the good of your immortal soul." This includes 'mother' earth as well.
Eisenhower fought fascism. Perhaps if he had come out and said that FASCISM was what he was talking about there would have been a bit more urgency in trying to turn it back.
Indeed.
Well, we've known for some time that the neo-cons, Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, Kristol, et. al., have been directing US foreign policy, and Sen. Durbin has told us that the 'bankers' own congress, and the bankers are Rubin, Bernanke, Blankfein, Greenspan, et.al., so I don't think referring to the ZOG should stretch your imagination too far. And if we were hoping from relief, I was, with Obama, it disappeared with Emmanuel, Axelrod, and again, et.al.
not allen,
I hate getting into this over and over again (axelrod is Jewish?).
I am Jewish and...........Also. The Christian Zionists probably have equal power to - fill in the blank.
Granted. I acknowledge your points. However. You are treading on dangerous territory and hate speech.
I hope we are all true 'progressives' in these times that are so devastating!
However. I thought obama was supremely transparant from the get-go. And. I saw him suck up to AIPAC while he was still running. (since we have brought israel into this discourse).
Not Allan (as in Ginsberg? as in not a Jew?) is a holocaust denier and full-throated anti-Semite. He's saturated in Protocols of the Elders of Zion and has been a compulsive ZOGist since he appeared here. It's his whole shtick. And I'm not Jewish, btw. I do concede some of his rationale, that much and maybe most of the financial system is in Jewish hands, but that's been largely the case for centuries. But unless you claim that Israel and no one else controls this country from top to bottom, he'll call you a Zionist. Which is always the pattern with holocaust deniers, who are more patently insane than global warming deniers. The guy is nuts, and he'll quickly call anyone an idiot who reveals a trace of skepticism that the Jews own and control every last thing on earth.
Sioux Rose
EPHRAIM: Thank you for your humanism and capacity to SEE and share the bigger picture. I appreciate your posts on a variety of topics.
My perception is that "Not Allan" is a troll, or possibly tuppence off the shilling. I base that on an exchange I had with him where I was agreeing with him, and then he did something squirrelly (I don't remember exactly what - it was a month or so ago, so you could look it up if you want to --it's the last time I replied to him) that was a total non-sequitur and even a reversal of his previous position. The only way what he did would make sense is if (a) he was trying to see how outrageous he could be or (b) he's suffering from cognitive slippage.
Other corporations are indeed flourishing, but they're not producing in America but in China, India, etc., so their success isn't benefitting anyone but their boards. And as they have headquartered their corporations offshore, they're not paying any US taxes either.
Greenwald sums up the current situation well, as usual. The political division is becoming one, and should be one, between corporatists and non-corporatists. The liberal-conservative dimension is distracting and problematic, as it tends to focus more on general long-term trends on social/cultural issues, when we are now facing immediate life and death economic issues. The DLC Democrats really are and should be recast as socially liberal corporatists while the mainstream Republicans should be identified as socially conservative corporatists. If populists want to become a viable political force in opposition to the corporatists, they should form a non-corporatist group or party, composed of both socially liberal (such as Greens) and socially conservative non-corporatists.
Indeed. I have been saying the same.
And sarah palin could well be the spokesperson for the social regressives.
I honestly think 'conservative' and 'liberal' is part of the language of the corporate media and need to be thrown out. It is meaningless.
We need some redefinition of terms. It is still to trite. Although i appreciate the concept.
Perhaps we should start our re-defining by calling a duck a duck, or in this case, corporatism as the fascism that it is.
Good point, of course.
And you know, that would be a 'fighting word' out there in the mainstream.
Then again. So what? However.....
Maybe we need a new word for 'fascism' itself? So much baggage and misinformation that go with so many words, which are so evocative, historically speaking.
Although..'fascism' sounds so...Mussolini, Hitler, etc. I wonder if we don't need a postmodern vernacular? Now. I am just musing here.
Yes, the word "fascism" does conjure visions of an iron fisted authoritarian type government (Hitler, Mussolini.) But consider the drift toward authoritarian government in this country. The G-20 was quashed by S.W.A.T. teams that had been imported from all over the country. We do NOT have a trustworty media as it acts as a propaganda agent for the Pentagon and other government agencies. Did "our" free press question the election of 2000 or 2004, the lies leading to the Iraq invasion, illegal wiretapping of American citizens in direct violation of the Constitution, the coverup of torture. etc., etc.? Does our government represent we the people, or corporate predators? Who is protected? The corporations of course. They are directly protected from us.
Jackbooted fascism takes place incrementally, and it is taking place here. WWII Germany had the allied powers of the world to free it (well half) from fascism (and at that time there was a substantial portion of the population that wanted the U.S. to side with the Axis powers. The Bu$h family was directly involved in trading with the nazis.) We have the most powerful military in the world. What will stop it here? Look, I agree with your premise that saying that we are a fascist nation in public will generate a response of denial, disbelief and anger. We cannot afford to be "politically correct" on this. We have to slap people upside the head and make them realize they have been tricked. Otherwise, we are headed down a dark road indeed. Sorry to be so negative, but that is what it is.
Kivals-"The DLC Democrats really are and should be recast as socially liberal corporatists while the mainstream Republicans should be identified as socially conservative corporatists. If populists want to become a viable political force in opposition to the corporatists, they should form a non-corporatist group or party, composed of both socially liberal (such as Greens) and socially conservative non-corporatists."
Nail on head.
I've been contemplating such a thing for a while and have some thoughts which you might find useful:
1. Such a left-right anti-corporatist coalition would function best as an organized political party. A non-party left/right group would find itself falling victim to the Dem/Repub machine just as many others on either the left OR right have before. Anti-corporatist social liberals would find a Dem outsider (like Kucinich) thrown at them, while anti-corporatist social conservatives would find a Repub outsider (like Paul) thown at them. The binary, "ya gotta pick one or the other", two-party scheme is an essential feature of the corporatist distraction machine of "liberal vs. conservative". A new party would allow for the repudiation of the Dems and Repubs BOTH as corrupted, which could form the initial stages of breaking past the distraction and unifying on anti-corporatist grounds. Imagine if either Paul or Kucinich jumped parties to the new one for instance.
2. It is important that this party be "goal oriented" not "ideology oriented". While it is true to say that this would be an "anti-corporatist" party, such a definition begs the question: "If we are ANTI-corporatism, what then are we FOR?". This question has more than just the potential to split a new coalition party, it is one of the major factors hindering such a party's very formation! The left would answer "social democracy" or "social justice" or some variation of these, and the right would answer "libertarianism" or "decentralization" or some variation of those. Therefore, such a left/right party not only SHOULD not attempt to form a unifying ideology, it CANNOT, and so should try to. Instead, such a party should unite for a purpose, a series of actions or a strategy leading to a clear and easily explainable GOAL.
3. This goal must not only be one that will unite the anti-corporatist left and right. It must also appeal to the vast majority who have little political interest and are currently the corporatist's main victims of distraction. AND it must be a goal that will actually lead to the overthrow of the corporatists from power and restore democratic governance. I suggest the best choice for this goal would therefore be the call for new CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTIONS in all of the Individual States and the Federal level. On the left side, such conventions would shake up current structures, open the door to substantial change, and invigorate and expand democratic spirit. On the right, such conventions would counter metastisized government, open the door to substantial change, and return to the Founder's vision. For the "apolitical" (those lacking in political theory grounding) such conventions represent one of the few substantial actions for change that their public school history and poli-sci educations make readily comprehensible to them. Lastly, since only the basest and most obvious corruption could skew such conventions to the corporatist's favor (since they're a tiny minority) they would represent an excellent chance to finally overthrow them from power.
4. Finally, I would suggest such a party be called "The Constitutional Progress Party" or "The Party for Constitutional Progress". This name is both clear to the "apolitical", since it is fairly obvious what "constitutional progress" entails, and reassuring to the left and right, since the "constitutional" qualifies the "progress" for the right, and vice-versa for the left.
Like I say, I've been thinking about this for some time.
I would very much like to read your thoughts on these suggestions.
-matti.
I agree that forming the party to accomplish certain specified goals related to reducing the power of the corporate elites and addressing the serious flaws in the political system makes sense. I have wondered about the possibility of calling new constitutional conventions and believe it might work, but I worry about how the new non-corporatist party can control such a convention at the federal level, with all the monied corporate interest groups that would want to shape the process. If a means of selecting delegates could be developed and implemented to keep corporate influence to a minimum at such a convention, then it becomes quite an intriguing possibility.
I understand that in the martial arts it is common to use an opponent's momentum against the opponent, and I wonder whether such a strategy could be used in this struggle. As the corporatists continue to get low information voters worked up about federal government power, possibly there would be an opening for the anti-corporatist party to successfully push a constitutional amendment allowing for states to secede. Once such an amendment is passed, then state constitutional conventions could become very interesting, where the delegates not only could rewrite the state constitutions, but could choose to secede and create separate national governments, possibly joining with certain other states, in doing so. It could be more difficult for the corporate media and the rest of the corporatocracy to control the process in dozens of simultaneous state constitutional conventions than it would be in one federal convention.
Of course we probably need to reach a state of widespread despair and be near total economic collapse for any such proposals to have a chance. Pain is a great motivator. But the way we are going, we might just get there in a few years.
I would add that I am not as quick to dismiss the possibility that a non-corporatist party could do more than try to put in motion a process for changing the constitution. Most poor white Southerners voted for FDR. One great myth that the corporatists keep alive is that poor white Southerners just love corporate capitalism and the current economic set-up of the US. Those Southerners despise Northern intellectuals who try to tell them how to live or what to think and they only support the elite corporate predators because those predators pretend to be on their side against such intellectuals. They do not listen to Limbaugh because Limbaugh supports the banksters and other elite CEOs (which he of course does), but because he bashes the social liberals. Divorce the social/cultural issues from the economic issues and those Southerners will be much more open to economic egalitarian arguments and policies. That is why I believe the non-corporatist party must be open to socially conservative non-corporatists as well as socially liberal non-corporatists.
If non-corporatists were able to take control of this country, then almost inevitably the economic welfare of the poor Southern whites would improve, and it is my guess that would do more to make them open to socially liberal ideas than a million lectures from arrogant outsiders.
I do not recall many progressives supporting the Iraq war unless you count right wing democrats as progressives.
The merger of corporations and government, where corporations control the government, is literally fascism. My Great Depression era parents intuitively understood this, but history has been revised to such an extent by corporate culture that most people don’t have a clue as to the truth, and they believe that fascism was some kind of socialism!
Fascism is economic-it’s totalitarian capitalism. My hometown newspaper euphemistically calls it the “public/ private partnership”, and they have been enthusiastically supporting it for years (thank you Chamber of Commerce).
I don’t think this country stands a chance until we get a viable Social Democratic Party. Republican government is doomed to failure in modern times. Practically the entire congress and the presidency have been bought off for generations. I guess things will have to get worse before enough people wake up.
Right on, mwhitti. The Democratic Party as it exists today encompasses too wide a spectrum, with too many points of view and having too many inner conflicts. At some point it should split into two smaller parties. Let the corporatist Dems go their own way and find their own way to Hell, it's their right. Let the rest of us form a new party that puts people, democracy and the Constitution first, according to true Democratic Socialist principles.
Good post! We quite literally have become a fascist nation and we are rapidly becming an authoritarian fascist nation. Though there is the appearance of a democracy on the cover, we are far from it. Any exercise of rights given those in a democratic nation are now quelled if those rights threaten the corporate agenda. Look at the the attempted protests of the recent G-20 meeting in Pittsberg. Before the event even kicked off, there were bus loads of SWAT teams made available along with all of the modern crowd control technology available to quash any protests. Elections are rigged by electronic voting machine to eliminate any undesirable candidate. The government protects predatry corporate practice while keeping irrate citizens at bay. We have lost most of our consitutinal protectios with no way to put elected officials in place to change policy. Our media is controlled by the corporogovernment. This would not be possible in a true democracy, but we as citizens have lost control of our government. I just hope it isn't too late to reverse the damage. What can we do short of outright revolution?
The simple truth is, now that we have a Democrat government the political divisions have become clear: neo-cons are fascists; many who belong to the Democratic Party are conservatives; a few Democrats are centralists; and true progressives are out of the spectrum of politics entirely.
Anyone who supports the war in Iraq or Afghanistan and calls themselves a liberal or progressive is lying, either to themselves or to others. And anyone who is freaked out by the word 'socialist' when applied to single payer health care is not a liberal or progressive. The first thing progressives have to do is figure out who their friends and enemies are.
This article is the best I've read all year.
Corporate/governmental powers would like us to believe that the right is the enemy of the left and the left is the enemy of the right.
We are thus prevented from recognizing the real enemy--corporations.
Both of our disastrous wars are never-ending-- not by incompetence, but by design.
Likewise, the health reforms and environmental reforms being presented will represent no improvement--by design.
That is why I am terrified of extending an invitation to the government to be more involved in health care.
People on the right and left aren't really that different in what they want, but really the only entity that gets what they want are a few big corporations and politicians.
The difference lies in 'social' policy.
And this is why it is so played up by the media. In my opinion.
What does that boil down to? Constantinian religious dogma versus individual rights to self determination.
Yet. Take Constantinianism. Or Dominionism. That plays into corporatocracy. Facism. Hierarchical domination. And.
'Might makes Right' thinking. Worship of CEOs who God must favor. Because they have the power.
Worship of militarism. For the same reasons.
Obama is on record. Four years ago. He stated that he believes in 'American Exceptionalism'. Why? 'Might makes Right'. That's why!
As someone who grew up in Texas, and who was leftist agnostic from a tender age, while surrounded by people who are typically thought of as socially, politically, and religiously conservative, I have a slightly different take on it. I believe that among non-wealthy white Southerners, there is much more "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thinking than is generally acknowledged.
Most poor white Southerners really do not want to tell Northerners or Westerners how to live their lives or what to do. Instead, they still harbor this great inferiority complex, which they would never admit, that began with the end of the Civil War and was revived in the 1960s. They do not want "pointy-headed intellectuals" from the North to tell them what to do, as they feel that is a form of domination and humiliation. Much of the support for the CEOs, other predators on Wall Street and in the US-based transnational corporations, and Republican politicians is simply based on their perception, which is fed and refined by the propagandists of talk radio and elsewhere, that these corporate predators are the enemy of the hated Northern intellectuals.
In FDR's time, the feelings of inferiority and the hatred of Northern intellectuals had subsided, but they were renewed by the propagandists of the right following the passage of the Civil Rights Act and the requirements of desegregation, where the Southerners once again were made to feel inferior and were dominated by elites in the North. The corporatist talk radio propagandists have been feeding these perceptions and shaping this outlook ever since.
So, if the Northern intellectuals are pacifists, then warmongering feels right to many Southerners. And if the Northern intellectuals want to take away their guns and ridicule or otherwise undermine their religion, the Southerners are going to more determinedly cling to those guns and that religion. Any social changes advocated by elites, especially elite intellectuals, of the North, will be opposed by most of the commoners of the South, and the corporatists will use the subsequent divisions to their political advantage.
Yes. Unlike most people from my background, "northern intellectuals", I've actually lived and worked for many years in the South among working class whites. It was a major culture shock at first, but very educational. The question I have is how do you counter the utilization of this inferiority complex by the media? Keep in mind, it's not just the Limbaughs and Becks but also the traditional MSM as well, who all play their respective roles to divide, deceive, distract and conquer.
One way forward would be to try to convince Southerners that the Wall Street bankers and other elite corporatists of the North are and always have been the real enemy of the Southerners, as well as the enemy of working people around the country and around the world. Those elite Northern corporatists are the ones who, together with the sophists they employ in talk radio, really look down on, take advantage of, and mock the Southerners. Progressives, leftists, socialists, etc..., need to exhibit some patience and restraint when it comes to preaching to Southerners about the social/cultural issues, and instead use their energies to explain, in as humble and respectful a manner as possible, how the elite corporatists of the North have been using and abusing, dominating and humiliating, Southerners and non-elites everywhere for many decades.
Sioux Rose
KIVALS: I just want to add that this "inferiority" concept is NOT just something made up by northern elites. There are several significant strands in the weave of modern American culture that also strongly add to if, if not substantiate it:
#1. Religious fundamentalism: This fairly pervasive belief system takes the assumption that all persons are natural sinners. Therefore there is a built-in punitive valve, a perception that suffering is necessary to offset the weight of sin.
# 2. Natural authoritarians in our midsts: This mindset, also more pervasive than we may imagine (see: John Dean's, "Conservatives Without Conscience" for more info.) tends to distrust any who live or elect behaviors that stand outside its narrow ilk. The mindset sets up an "us versus you" orientation.
# 3. The sporting arena (especially football) as "new opiate of the peoples." Here, too, is a very popular model with extreme emotionally-driven spectacles that sets up an "us versus you," WINNING IS ALL paradigm.
# 4. "Status of the occupied." If you take a look at societies that have been dominated by outsiders (invaders, colonists, etc.), the males tend to identify with machismo and since they lack automony over national decisions, they tend to wield power over women. In a sense, a case can be made that the South feels "occupied" by the north, and thus tends to identify with beliefs that cede power to white males at the expense of women and persons of color.
So while the idea of inferior feelings stemming from the Civil War makes sense, along with this "enemy of my friend is my enemy," scenario, it's important to realize that there are many other factors that work into this formula to produce the disastrous results that we see and experience in the way of a land divided against itself, and soon unable to stand. You have made very compelling arguments for overcoming "identity politics" so that the interests common to the average man/woman can coalesce and form a groundswell that sweeps the elites out of power. I agree with that strategy. Still, we have to understand the many cultural factors that have been put in place to make sure that such unity never arises!
Good points, Sioux Rose. Thanks. Richer, more complex models of the world we share can provide more understanding, insight, and predictability.
Sioux Rose
KIVALS: Very interesting post, and it makes a lot of sense. I live among this ilk and I can see what you've indicated operating. You add a lot to this forum, and in my view, this was one of your best posts ever. (Vanmungo: Yeah, it's that Roger Ebert in me, I guess...)
I can't believe that on this website you still have people that believe that there is some kind of Jewish conspiracy that runs America!
Moving along though, it would be much better if the lexicon of political bloggers stopped using labels like "Democrats & Republicans" and instead identified everyone as either pro-corporate or anti-corporate. Once the public realized that the pro-corporate advocates represented the majority of our journalists, politicians, hate-radio hosts, etc., then it would become clearer to everyone (I hope!) to identify the root cause of our government's inability to address the public interest. Maintaining the current language or right/left, dem/rep, conservative/liberal only confuses the general public even more by avoiding any focus towards corporate involvement in our daily lives. Of course this is a conscious decision by the MSM and anyone else that depends on corporate sponsorship which is why the current lexicon is constantly reinforced.
Space Cadet, in response to your first sentence.
You would be amazed! It comes up all the time here.
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion have even been resurrected at times.
"it would be much better if the lexicon of political bloggers stopped using labels like "Democrats & Republicans" and instead identified everyone as either pro-corporate or anti-corporate."
I agree. The labels are used to deceive.
I think it fair to extend this argument, presently, to all aspects of human life on earth. The merging of the corporate world with global governance, has already taken place. It should not be hard to imagine what has been accomplished using unlimited funds, the most advanced technology, and nobody to answer to, in the quest to achieve full spectrum dominance. The end result should be rather predictable, I think. Sociopaths with ultimate power and control. A one world government. I believe, the plan is nearly complete. What has been achieved is the complete opposite of democracy. If we understand democracy as participation in power. What we have in our own country, and what we export to the rest of the world at the end of the barrel of the world's largest weapon of mass destruction, is not democracy. What I never expected was that an advanced nation could become so totally brainwashed as the citizens of the United States have become. Even here on CD, so disconnected are the majority of articles and comments from the ultimate issues that it is ridiculous to suggest that our toiling is moving us anywhere near the right direction or fast enough to outpace the nefarious efforts of those whose greed knows no bounds. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to realize that the world is quickly dividing between the rich and the poor. I refuse to accept this human construct, no matter how long it's gone on in the past. What happened to the human imagination? It can and should be different. I don't believe in gradualism. Gradualism can never lead to justice. Martin Luther King was right forty years ago when he said that a country that embraced militarism was approaching spiritual death. That death has occurred, in my view, already. The idea that we are sending our young kids across the sea to kill innocent people, while shouting "support our troops" is the surest sign of spiritual death. And the idea that half of our tax money is going to the Defense Department. And masses of people waving flags and talking about Jesus and talking about killing Arabs, innocent Iraqis, and being OK with torture and secret renditions. Sorry, from my point of view, I just don't see it happening. I don't see the collective consciousness of the citizens of the United States changing fast enough to allow for the survival of the U.S. Americans have been drugged, even some of the smartest people I know, into an intellectual stupor. Too much in, very little out. Thinking seems to be a lost art in this once great country. CD is a little oasis, where we can fool ourselves thinking that the responses here are typical, or even fathomable by the vast majority of citizens. Ever read the comments on CNN? I find it the hardest thing to reconcile in my life. This idea of democracy vs. a voluntarily ignorant population. Here we are in the midst of the greatest human knowledge revolution ever, the age of the computer, and yet we consistently vote against our own interests. I do think TV is 90% of the problem.
Everyone from CD has the opportunity to make their views known and to refute the garbage that is spewed on the CNN/MSN platforms. You cannot expect to influence many of the (often corporate-funded) posters, but you do have the opportunity to influence the casual reader who is open to logical and moral argument. Join me and the handful of others who are working to bring enlightenment to an otherwise polluted pool of ignorance and willful lies. It is sometimes extremely frustrating, but keep in mind the idea that you are spreading the word where it would otherwise never appear.