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A Bold Proposal for a New Economy
The free market guru Milton Friedman understood what so many progressives do not: that crises create opportunities for radical change. Naomi Klein called this the "Shock Doctrine." One of Friedman's opportunities was the brutal 1973 coup in Chile, which opened the door for the market-opening fundamentalism that Ronald Reagan and Maggie Thatcher then pushed around the world in the 1980s.
Today, the global and U.S. financial meltdowns offer such an opportunity for progressives. A progressive shock doctrine. 
In this crisis, the victims are the millions of workers who have lost their jobs (600,000 in the United States in January alone) and the millions of families who are losing their homes. The villains are the executives whose reckless behavior got us into this crisis and continue to pocket massive bonuses and redecorate their offices while the economy burns.
Obama has embraced bold rhetoric, lambasting executives for their "culture of narrow self-interest and short-term gain at the expense of everything else." Even business professors, such as Harvard's Rakesh Khurana and Andy Zelleke, are trashing the prevailing corporate milieu wherein "little has been meaningfully valued by either executives or shareholders beyond the short-term accumulation of wealth."
Yet neither Obama nor most progressives are seizing the moment with bold proposals to meet the growing anger across America. A notable exception is David Korten, who has just released a 196-page Agenda for a New Economy, building on a series of articles in YES! Magazine.
Korten is nothing if not bold. His answer to the financial crisis: close down the Wall Street casino. Replace it with a revitalized Main Street by resetting economic priorities to support local economies and dignified work that best serve us all. Instead of "phantom wealth" that doesn't create anything of value, let's prioritize the real economy.
Korten also understands that we must use the economic meltdown to solve the other giant global crisis: climate chaos. His transformative agenda of vibrant local economies can deliver us a carbon-free economy within a few decades.
How do we do it? According to Korten, we have to redefine how success is measured. He has sharp ideas on how to get the market price of goods to reflect their full costs of production, including their adverse impact on workers, the environment, and communities.
In his real-wealth economy, government and citizen groups work to reallocate resources from the military to health care, from cars to public transportation, from mining to recycling, and from suburban sprawl to compact communities.
We close down the Wall Street casino through smart regulation, a transactions tax on the purchase and sale of financial instruments, and a fair tax system. We create a set of rules and incentives that favor human-scale businesses owned by local stakeholders. Korten is full of ideas on democratizing ownership and reclaiming corporate charters from footloose global firms. And, he is smart enough to know that these solutions work best if they are coordinated across countries.
The book is compelling, urgent, and easy to read. It will be a great tool to help harness the anxiety and anger gripping our nation. And it will link together the disparate parts of our country to work for progressive economic change, including grassroots groups like Jobs with Justice, which is has working with my own Institute for Policy Studies to create a new comic book on the meltdown. It will also draw in an organization Korten co-founded, the vibrant Business Alliance for Local Living Economies, which is spreading innovation among local business leaders, and YES! magazine, which has posted an excerpt from Korten's book The Speech President Obama Should Deliver.
From low-wage workers, to local entrepreneurs, from independent thinking elected officials to the global networks that brought you the Battle in Seattle a decade ago, there's a new questioning of the Wall Street-based economy. All who are ready for a new approach would do well to spend a few hours with David Korten's big ideas as they link their work with one another.- Posted in
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Show AllAn interesting proposal. However, how would you pull off that type of major change? John Cavanaugh is write in using the term "Wall Street Casino." Maybe if there is a next wave of bail out money corporate abuse "nationalization" of the banks might be considered. However, at best we would hear about a short term arrangement as proposed by Paul Krugman. Otherwise, this would be seen as a major shift toward socialism, something I think Americans would reject.
John is on target about "phantom money." We are far too dependent on making money by money investment. Due to a sickening level of deregulation, loan shark tactics have been used to try to sucker in the public to set up the type of high interest loans that will suck the life out of their bank accounts. This created a gargantuan number of toxic loans, but the loan shark executives were able to manipulate books or otherwise sanitize the picture for shareholders.
So suddenly the speculative bubble bursts? Ralph Nader and others saw it coming as far back as 2002. As Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz pointed out, the regulation that corporations needed to maintain a balance between equity / (real) assets and debt was eliminated, and this led to our current situation. We need to restore this regulation and impose very aggressive regulation and oversight with a mandate for 100 percent transparency.
I would propose the opposite of a phantom money economy. We need to go back to industrial production, the type of healthy economy we had after WWII. In short, an economy based on production. Then production is based on jobs. Jobs means paychecks, which stimulates buying and selling.
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/solutions/renewable_energy_solutions/national-renewable-1.html
Union of Concerned Scientists is fielding a letter writing campaign for HR 890
"This bill would create a large and growing market for clean and truly renewable sources.
Department of Energy and Union of Concerned Scientists analyses of a 25 percent RES find that it will:
- create thousands of new jobs;
- save consumers money on their utility bills;
- reduce global warming-causing carbon emissions; and
- increase the amount of clean, renewable power in the United States by more than - 135 percent over current state and federal polices—enough to power the equivalent of 150 million homes.
If ever there was a time to to get writers cramp this is it.... the link is to zip coded direct rep email system with letter personalization features - the systems getting pretty good, eh?
I agree that Korten's book is visionary and filled with insight. I also find myself in total agreement with Korten's prescriptions. The problem is that Obama is still married to corporate hegemony. In this regard your article represents wishful thinking at best, and at worst, and unwarranted belief that justice will ultimately carry the day.
Obama and company are light years behind the visionary praxis of Korten. The underlying presupposition of your article is that Obama will suddenly be 'born again' (see the light) and follow your glowing and admirable advice of, "clos[ing] down the Wall Street casino." And then, "Replac[ing] it with a revitalized Main Street by resetting economic priorities to support local economies and dignified work that best serve us all[?]" Or that Obama might issue a new executive order that seeks to crush "phantom wealth[?]"
If you really want to see this type of visionary thinking embraced in the market place of Power, then you need to first start voting a authentic progressive ticket like the Green Party. As it stands now, this proposition looks more like advocating for results one might find in a Dickens Novel.
I think it time for contributors of CD to stop making speeches for each other and develop a strategy that actually works, instead of hoping for the best.
Ayuh.
Korten prescribes a start. Reform needs to include bulldozing K Street and turning it into a public park.
Then, remove the designation of "personhood" from corporations, and the designation of "speech" from money.
I'll be eagerly waiting for the corporate-owned congress to act on the former and for Roberts and his Loonitary Executive chums on the Supremely fascist Court to OK the latter.
The overall vision of Korten's book will not happen in any of our lifetimes, but some of his insights could be. Another CD article today ends with "Another possibility is a rising tax on fossil fuels. Government could invest the revenue in renewable energy and conservation. Or we could return the money to individuals through income tax cuts and let the market map the detour around costly fossil energy." I've been saying this for a long time, and I'm always met with dead silence. Ideas of change come very slowly to us humans and ideas that might have us driving cars a bit less is truly a horror of horrors.
I'm reading Korten's new book and am in the 3rd week of a 4-week book study group at my church in Portland, Oregon. I highly recommend his book and you can see a video he did at Trinity Wall Street at the Radical Abundance conference on 1/23/09 via google.
All of us know we need systemic change. Nothing on the current agenda will be sufficient to deal with climate change, peak oil and a collapsing economy. David Korten offers such a vision and it is entirely within our means.
It starts by talking about the system and understanding it's shortfalls. The global/corporate economy was created by man and a local, green, main street economy can replace it.
The pessimist will say it won't be easy but what is the alternative? More of the same. That is insane and a recipe for disaster. It is time we educate ourselves and make the changes necessary for a livable future.
Money making money is at the heart of the problem. Anytime liquid assets in the form of "money" can be shifted about to create "wealth" it at the expense of real wealth. It smoke and mirrors and little more then illusion.
It is a CON game.
As to the return to an industrial economy, I suggest the proponents of such look at the larger picture. An industrial economy means the manufacture of goods to sell to a marketplace.
It seems reasonable on the surface but when one goes deeper and uses our history as an example , such economies are dependent on the CONSUMPTION of resources that grow scarcer and scarcer. Trying to gain access to such resources has fueled the MIC and wars the world over.
Where do you get the raw materials to fuel such an economy? The electricity, the iron ore, the Silver, tantalum and such?
China has ramped up industrialization and now is polluted more then ever and sends agents the world over to secure the resources of other countries.
What happens when THOSE resources depleted?
An economy based on Consumption is NOT the answer. The end game is EVERYTHING is consumed.
The thing about capitalizing on crisis, like in the shock doctrine,
is that most of these crises are manufactured in order to prevent change...
In Chile, when a democratic socialist was elected to be president,
Allende vowed to nationalize the copper industry, and use the proceeds for public works...
This did not sit well with Anaconda Copper, who stood to lose their cash cow...
So Kissinger orchestrated a bloody coup in '73, and installed Pinochet, who privatized everything...
Same goes with so many other manufactured crises that led to exploiting a window of opportunity...
Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, USS Maine, and the US spyboat off the coast of Korea... All led to wars...
The market crashes of the 1890's, 1907, 1929, dot.com bubble, and 2008... All manufactured to consolidate power...
The CIA's use of Al Queida in Afghanistan, the former Yugoslavia, Sudan, and eventually NYC...
9-11 was a staged event to ram fascist legislation through a scared congress and populus...
The CIA backed coups or military invasion in over fifty countries that were going "communist":
Guatemala, Colombia, Haiti, Indonesia, Iran, Nicaragua, Brazil, Vietnam, Cuba, etc...
It sounds like Korten has the answer.
I've agreed with most of Korten's analysis since "When Corporations Rule the World" came out about 10 years ago. His prescriptions seem uniquely pragmatic and sane. And Obama will embrace them about as soon as Bush would have. There is absolutely no political support for Korten's ideas, because the political and media cultures fully support Wall Street and corporate domination of the economy, on principle. If we had any kind of populist movement to advance Korten's vision we might get somewhere. But all we have are a few isolated "study groups" and tiny organizations working locally, which is good but hardly enough. Trouble is, there is never "enough" when it comes to even thinking about putting ideas like these into action. We'll continue with about .05% even knowing about what Korten is saying, full of optimism and hope.
You dismiss this book and the vision saying it lacks a populist movement. The book has been out less than 3 weeks!!!
In less than 21 days I find it amazing that I'm in a study group at my church with 30 others, it is now being discussed on Common Dreams and the Huffington Post. I was at an MBA program last weekend and a few people there were reading it as well.
We have no idea how far all of this will go but a pessimistic attitude is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Brian Setzler
www.GreenCPA.blogspot.com
I'm not "dismissing" anything. But a book isn't going to change anything on this scale. There have been MANY books on precisely this subject over countless years. I know because I used to be in the business of selling them. My "attitude" isn't pessimistic, and even if you think it is, my attitude can't sink the boat of optimistic change on the near horizon. I'm saying that unless a major movement gets behind Korten's visionary ideas, they will become just another book on a packed shelf of such books that never grew legs. If an effective movement does emerge to push these ideas all the way to the White House, I'm on board, I'll be there with you. But first let's see if this thing takes off or just remains another study group project. If you're in the Green Party you should know what I'm getting at. They've been around for quite awhile now, and they're really no more effective than a Kucinich run for the presidency. Don't blame it on my "pessimism;" I voted for Kucinich (primary) and then McKinney. I always back the underdog.
I'm a Green too. So where do we start? What is your recommendation?
The revolution needs to start somewhere. The bible was just a book and yet it changed the world. Adam Smith's book "The Wealth of Nations" was just a book that changed the world.
I agree there are lots of books on the shelves but each book builds on our common understanding. A book like this would not have been accepted 2, 5, 10 or 20 years ago. Times change.
I'm looking for the revolution of the possible. That is all we have right now and Korten's book and intellectual honesty is one ray of hope.
I would also recommend the online series: The Crash Course.
You must be very young to say such a book wouldn't have been "accepted 2, 5, 10 or 20 years ago." There have been MANY such books, for about 150 years. In fact, Korten's ideas would have been MORE accepted 70 years ago than they are today. Allowing for obvious changes in the social economy. His ideas are not as earth-shakingly original as you seem to think, not that I'm in any way disparaging them.
All such ideas originate in books, whether Adam Smith, Marx or the Bible, but they're not all alike. As someone else said here, it's not more ideas we need, it's organization, coherence, conviction. It serves no purpose for me to say what we should do. Anything I might say has been said a million times. Saying things isn't the point. People deciding it's time to actually come together and organize some coherent movement, and doing it, is the point.
And it's not going to happen because the internet is a miracle waiting to make it happen. People typing messages back and forth isn't going to be a revolution. In many ways we've been paralyzed by our fixation on the internet as some technological magic that's going to make this revolution happen. It won't. We have to come together physically and act physically, not virtually. A virtual revolution is just a massive circle jerk.
I agree... All of this has ben said before in a thousand different ways...
However, I do believe that it is vital to read and share and discuss these ideas, to inform each other of the issues...
The Elite want us to believe in TINA (there is no alternative) with our economy & foreign policy, Korten and others articulate alternatives...
Another reason is that most people, myself included, would rather understand the pros and cons of various ideas before we do something..
This is not to replace or delay organizing and action, but rather ensure folks are making informed decisions...
Otherwise, it is easy to fall into groupthink and commit acts of desperation, like torching a research lab or SUV lot...
That kind of direct action only plays into the hands of the security state apparatus... Who then passes more draconian laws of surveillance.
Also, different people are at different levels of awareness and have different skills to contribute...
When one arrives at a point that there is no new ideas... Then it is time to put those ideas into actions in one's own life, and teach others...
re: 'workers screwed, rich scum happy' - class warfare or nothing
"...the victims are the millions of workers who have lost their jobs...and the millions of families who are losing their homes. The villains are the executives whose reckless behavior got us into this crisis and continue to pocket massive bonuses and redecorate their offices while the economy burns."
Well that halfway says it:
Workers screwed, and bankers and their rich shareholder scum who screwed YOU making out - and government and media helping the rich and fast talking you...and laughing. Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaughing!
Whether movement or party, or both, people will act effectively when they get this "shock doctrine" in their gut.
Korten's book is for analysis and discussion - whereas what is needed to change anything is a widespread, visceral, 'unreasonable' rejection of 'reasonable' discourse. Roosevelt's reforms were enacted at a moment of militant, threatening, 'unreasonable' widespread insurgency, not in a spirit of compromise and deliberation.
That's what made Baker end his piece today like this:
"Geithner can design as complex a dog and pony show as he wants, but if his plan takes up hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars and does not involve wiping out the shareholders and sending the bank executives packing, then he has ripped us off."
The anger and the revolution will follow the education and discussion. It has to start somewhere.
Anger without an understanding of the problems and solutions would be a problem in itself.
It is FALSE to claim that others are to blame for the situation. We have all played are dutiful part and now it is time to change.
GreenCPA February 12th, 2009 1:31 pm
"The anger and the revolution will follow the education and discussion. It has to start somewhere."
It's not a question of prescribing where social change "has to" start, it's a question of where it has historically: Roosevelt's reforms were enacted when popular anger - mobilized and 'articulated' by left wing movements and parties, but not prior to those movements - threatened capitalism.
"It is FALSE to claim that others are to blame for the situation. We have all played are [sic] dutiful part..."
Shrug. Then your "dutiful" course of action is clear. Get a stack of 'rich and poor are guilty alike' leaflets, and wag a sermonizing finger at homeowners as their couch is dumped on the curb.
Isn't that the way its supposed to happen?
I suspect your named destination for the bailout money is correct.
While Korten's analysis and ideas are sound, they are irrelevant unless we build power bases that are intelligent enough and courageous enough to execute them. The status quo will not roll over and go "OK, these are good ideas so we'll voluntary relenquish our power and wealth." They must be forced to change.
>>He has sharp ideas on how to get the market price of goods to reflect their full costs of production, including their adverse impact on workers, the environment, and communities.
I've been saying this for quite some time: If a major role for the military is to ensure reliable supply of oil and gas, then, like any other importer, let the oil companies pay for their own insurance - if it involves having armed guards and armed escorts, let them pay for them, and pass on the cost to the consumers. Any invasion and occupation of other countries would have to be paid for by those companies as well. Then we'll know the real cost of gas at the pump. Then the way we design our cities and suburbs, the way we travel and commute, the kind of food we grow and eat, will all start to change.
Highintel: Can we do better?
Peak Oil will force the real gas prices to show up. Too bad we'll need more hemp and algae for oil and processing it ain't cheap either but something's gotta be worth something.
JWVerez wrote: Peak Oil will force the real gas prices to show up. Too bad we'll need more hemp and algae for oil and processing it ain't cheap either but something's gotta be worth something.
No, I was talking about explicitly lumping that part of the military budget that is primarily for ensuring oil supplies with the price of oil, and not take it from tax revenue or the national debt. Unless this is done, 'Peak Oil' will simply raise the gas price, while still not reflecting the real price. If the oil companies need a military to secure their supplies, then they need to pay for it or run their own security services. The blurring of corporate interests and national interests needs to go, and the size of the defense budget has to make sense.
Highintel: Can we do better?
You do have a point here. Last year even as the crude oil prices arouse, most plastics did not raise in prices by much if at all while only the gas prices were obvious. Even the maintainance costs suprisingly didn't rise much.
On the issue of the military securing the oil fields and paying for it, I agree. However, I think that if we're gonna really stop this madness in the long haul, we have to undo the rigged market by removing the ban on industrial hemp and pushing for decentralization of algae for fuel since algae can be grown almost anywhere just like hemp. Of course, neither the pols nor the oil cartels are tolerant of the idea since they love everything privatized and centralized as it is today. I could be wrong though.
The theory of "peak oil" has been disproven. It was a ploy of Exxon-Mobil. What will take place is the end of "cheap oil".
I'm aware of the end of "cheap oil" and in fact it has already come but because of deflation the price is low but if it gets more expensive to extract and all we get is poor quality oil or having to fight another war for oil just to plunder light sweet crude oil, then global peak oil has to be for real. Correct me if I am wrong but it's not just the oil companies who said peak oil and they weren't the first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._King_Hubbert
The oil companies will use anything to keep their profits soaring as they always do. Even as we speak, they're still busy stifling alternative renewables and doing everything they can to keep hemp illegal and oil production from algae as privatized and centralized as possible in the event that algae for oil proves to be cheap to produce. So far, the only way algae for oil can be cheap is to decentralize it and allow local farmers and engineers all over their rights to grow their own and no big government or big corporation interference and you and I know that neither government or the oil cartels can be trusted. What am I missing here?
We live on a finite planet. Peak Oil is still a legitimate concern.
Even if peak oil weren't a problem, continuing to spew CO2 into the air is.
Sioux Rose
ALCYON: Sounds fair and wise to me!
It would appear that Korten is long on goals and short on methods, like other writers getting the cart before the horse.
It does not matter the merits of an idea if you lack the means to actualize it. In order to reorder the economy you first need a responsive political system, which we now lack.
We need to abolish the Congress, redefine the Presidency, and put direct simple plebiscitary democracy in place by taking advantage of the lowly electron. This could take a few years.
By then maybe our intellectuals will have figured out how a static economy on a finite planet would work. Then we could take intelligent action, which would at least be amusing for its novely value.
Gorsegrower
>>Gorsegrower wrote: By then maybe our intellectuals will have figured out how a static economy on a finite planet would work.
That's not such a terrible thing, is it, if we can live a decent life without raping the planet? Every animal stops growing at some point - after that, it consumes just enough to maintain itself in the biosphere. Why should the economy and production have to keep growing? You're absolutely right about "intelligent action".
Highintel: Can we do better?
Of course we can set up a new, fairer economy. But that's the last thing that the Masters of the Universe want. They will prevent anything that robs them of the opportunity to rip people off and make mega-profits.
Only NEO-HUMANS can stop them, humans that can actually think, who can work out what needs to be done to depose these 'Masters' and set up a whole new world.
Are you a potential NEO-HUMAN? Could you make the grade?
www.dangerouscreation.com
Frankly, I didn't see anything new in this article -- these ideas are all over, and more specific in many other places. I'm wondering what the purpose of the article is besides a plug for a book.
Build a revolution.
Change the world.
...and a chicken in every pot and pie in every sky.
Look, it's not that I think these are bad, but I've been listening to people like Katherine Austin Fitts on Wednesdays, on Flashpoints radio, saying the same sort of thing for months, just for one source. The standard anracho-syndacalist writings have been on this for years. It's not new.
What we need are some concrete, devil-in-the-details, proposals -- and I don't have money to go out and buy another book in the hopes that there might be something there. I was hoping I might see some of it in the article -- the point of reading an article.
This is like Dave Lindorf's article the other day calling for a mass movement. Great -- now how do we do that. (IN fact, how do we even define 'mass movement')? You look at Wikipedia and it talks about fascists building mass movements too, and then using it to support their fascist party after they get conrol, so we need to have some specifics about what a mass movement would entail -- either politically or economically oriented.
Years ago I heard someone say, about inventions and engineering, that good ideas are a dime a dozen, but it's making up actual blueprints, getting the tooling done, getting the finance and marketing -- actually getting a product in production and out to people which is where all the work (and value) is.
What we need, I think, is not more ideas -- we have very good ones readiliy available -- but we need organization, management, and action plans and action -- those 'detail devils'. That's always been the wall I've hit when trying to work with people getting aware and organized: going through the process from vision and general plans to actually making changes. How is this to be accomplished?
I hear the frustration but there are no shortcuts to spreading ideas and memes.
You are correct that ideas are a dime a dozen. You are correct we need a mass movement. Please tell me how you start a mass movement without organizing and spreading ideas?
Think of the WTO in Seattle.
Think of the 10,000,000 people who hit the streets against the Iraq war.
The new world order that Korten is talking about and that we would like to see will not be brought about through top-down plans and control.
Korten points out in his book that 3 things have changed the landscape over the past 50 years that finally makes it possible to throw off the yoke of EMPIRE.
1. The internet and other communications tools that allow us to communicate and educate ourselves quickly and over the entire planet;
2. The United Nations. A place where humans can meet to discuss differences without resorting to war.
3. The fact that we've seen the earth from space and must realize we all share this spaceship earth.
The internet and such can only do so much. That's mostly what I do since I'm pretty much stuck in the house, but it helps a little -- I hope.
The real power is in grass roots -- local. One silly idea I have is pinnochle clubs. People can't affird to get out much, so start some clubs where people can get out of the house (and away from the TV), with cheap supper served, to play pinnochle, and also talk, and get to know other people -- and hear about the problems, and maybe decide to get togethe to do something. In other words, we have to rebuild the local social interconnections, and much of that depends on 'social' stuff and not some grand political cause which few people can identify with. The first step in an mass movement is the mass: getting people together and talking to each other (which is one of the things overwork and coming home to flop in front of the TV has killed).
The UN can't do much: it's mostly controlled by the empire, especially the Security Council, and it operates through governments which may ignore what their people want.
The pictures of Earth are nice, but I can't see my house, or the neighbors' house in those. It's too big -- we need local things. And a one-ff rally isn't enough; we need day-to-activities. Look at the right-wing and how they used the churches, where people met every week, and where they could get help with babysitting or transportation to the store. Look at Hesbollah and how they got their strength largely from their social welfare wing and programs. ('All politics is local', you know.)
So you are right -- it can't be a 'top down' movement, but we still need to find ways to organize and communicate. But I've never met most of the people I talk with on the internet, and who can go to a meeting 100 miles away? We need networks of local groups. Maybe if enough people just sit around a table playing pinnochle, and spreading information and ideas, telling each other what the other groups are up to, we can get that mass movement going?
These are great comments.
Grab his book and a few friends or neighbors and start talking. Educate yourself about the economy, the environment and the situation.
We have an economic meltdown and everyone is confused about the source and the solution. I'm not saying Korten has all the answers and neither is he.
He is a former Harvard Business professor and World Bank employee who wrote when "Corporations Rule the World" so he has one piece of the puzzle.
The book is very digestible and easy to read. It is a starting point. I don't know where else to start because the dialog from Washington DC and the corporate press is about trying to fix a broken system. We don't need to fix it, we need to CHANGE it.
Try GoogleEarth... It's free...
Type in your own address...
You will see a satellite photo of your own house...
You can zoom out to see the Earth in it's entirety,
And every scale in between...
Hi Blue, Do you still have your website?
I believe that the impetus for a movement will come, unfortunately, out of extreme hardship. When the unemployment numbers reach 20-25%, when the numbers of homeless jump astronomically as well, there will be much reason to work towards change and many who are so comfortable now that the thought of change scares them will no longer be quite so secure.
A sad and pessimistic vision I know....
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
I never had a website, as such, but I am still at the group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/intermindcollective/ .
Yes, the economy will make people more aware -- but perhaps also less able to take action because of their personal difficulties. The problem is like a crowd at the edge of a cliff: people keep falling off, but those who do plummet down and the only sound they make is a faint scream which few in the crowd hear.
Sorry, I confused you with another bluepilgrim ( what are the odds?) , one who formed a website, globalnews or some such, with a few refugees from the increasingly narrow ideology of democraticunderground.
I wish I didnt have the inclination to believe that only a crisis of great magnitude will be able to institute the necessary changes in this nation of ours.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Are you familiar with Parecon (short for participatory economics)? It's one of the few devil-in-the-details alternative economic proposal I've seen come out of progressive circles.
I looked at it a while back, but have forgotten exactly what it was saying -- have to look it up again...
OK... looks something like anarcho-syndicalism. I think these sorts of things might be best implemented on a local level, starting with worker-owned businesses and organizing a town or area commune (like an Amish community?). (Scaling is always a consideration in these arrangements.)
An important thing to do is get something working which can be used as a model so people can start *thinking* about alternative systems they have seen working (like I pointed to the Amish: "Oh, yeah -- we've heard about the Amish and that works. There ARE alternative systems."). They should go by names not so completely demonized by the ruling classes so people don't just knee-jerk react "But that's COMMUNISM" -- maybe 'co-op' is a good word. Then those working models have to be publicized so they entice other people to do similar things. A mass movement like this should everywhere almost at once, like the morning dew and flowers in the Spring.
The economy will be shaped by the frame of reference - 'bottom line' being the spiritual orientation that informs choices. As long as we can rationalize 'survival of the fittest' with hundreds of millions losing out and as some sort of selection process, its on the skids. By my mind this is the real challenge. We must use less, share like our lives depend on it - because ultimately they do.
The great big sucking noise is still drowning out millions of voices that have been paternalistically labled as 'losers' by 'winners'. That mindset needs to be revealed for the narrow straw it is. It is the straw that has distorted history, polarized and in short called itself god when its been a bare bottom emperor. It is the straw that will break the imperial camel's back.
Agree. The new paradigm is about cooperation, not competition.
I agree with the article.
But why aren't the ones who caused it all forced to cough up the money they have earned??? Surely there's a legal basis for putting every one of them in jail until they cough up the dough they've stashed somewhere?
If you cause such a meltdown just because you are greedy, you ought to be persecuted for crimes against society and ALL your assets and that of your entire family ought to be seized to pay for the damage.
Because that's why you did it, right? To amass so much money that one's family's next 5 to 10 generations would still be affluent.
Well, teach these criminals a lesson no manager will ever forget. Confiscate everything they own.
And THEN we can start with a clean slate and with a new idea about how to conduct our economies. Including the ideas of this article.
I know I will not get much agreement for this comment but it is too bad that people did not listen to Bush when he tried to reregulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2001. He was consistently blocked by Congress, Reps and Dems alike. Alan Greenspan also warned of "catostrophic consquences " if they were not reregulated, although he foolishly kept interest rates too low, adding fuel to the fire. Once Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were at he helm of the banking committees, it was a lost cause. John McCain also co-sponsored a bill in 2005 to reregulate them but Dodd would not allow the bill out of committee for a vote. However Bush also must share in the blame because he should have been screaming about the issue, he gave up too easily, a simple address to the nation would have brought the issue to the forefront. He choose not to do it.
Before an unwise and unlettered poster finds his ego in a bunch and heaps undeserved insult upon Mr. Ruskin I would note that he is correct!
Orson Scott Card on the subject:
http://www.bloodhoundrealty.com/BloodhoundBlog/?p=5122
I would add only that many here are no fans of democrats either, and, as to Bush being on the correct side of this issue ( I simply couldnt say right side for obvious reasons) I offer the old saw that even a blind pig finds an acorn now and again.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
True...
However... It could have been posturing...
If Bush's handlers really wanted this to happen, they would have had him sign an executive order or signing statement to bypass congress...
Bush also wanted to privatize social security, and had hoped to do so before their planned crash of the stock market...
I was surprised that congress showed some spine on that issue... (I am not sure which came first, SS reform or FMae/FMac)...
Oh of course, it could have been posturing , it could also be a real effort also but you obviously will not allow that possibility. Isn't it a shame when facts get in the way of your assertions. And who are Bush's handlers, do all presidents have handlers? Does Obama have handlers too? I guess that the president is just a figurehead and "the handlers" make all of the real decisions. And since Fannie and Freddie are chartered by Congress , the president cannot just sign an executive order to circumvent Congress . Your post does not make any sense what-so-ever. I wonder if you have even read the article in the link that Red Rick provided, I would suspect not.