U.S. Says Iran Ended Atomic Arms Work
WASHINGTON — A new assessment by American intelligence agencies concludes that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 and that the program remains frozen, contradicting judgment two years ago that Tehran was working relentlessly toward building a nuclear bomb.
The conclusions of the new assessment (.pdf file) are likely to reshape the final year of the Bush administration, which has made halting Iran’s nuclear program a cornerstone of its foreign policy.
The assessment, a National Intelligence Estimate that represents the consensus view of all 16 American spy agencies, states that Tehran is likely keeping its options open with respect to building a weapon, but that intelligence agencies “do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.”
Iran is continuing to produce enriched uranium, a program that the Tehran government has said is designed for civilian purposes. The new estimate says that enrichment program could still provide Iran with enough raw material to produce a nuclear weapon sometime by the middle of next decade, a timetable essentially unchanged from previous estimates.
But the new estimate declares with “high confidence” that a military-run Iranian program intended to transform that raw material into a nuclear weapon has been shut down since 2003, and also says with high confidence that the halt “was directed primarily in response to increasing international scrutiny and pressure.”
The estimate does not say when American intelligence agencies learned that the weapons program had been halted, but a statement issued by Donald Kerr, the principal director of national intelligence, said the document was being made public “since our understanding of Iran’s capabilities has changed.”
Rather than painting Iran as a rogue, irrational nation determined to join the club of nations with the bomb, the estimate states Iran’s “decisions are guided by a cost-benefit approach rather than a rush to a weapon irrespective of the political, economic and military costs.” The administration called new attention to the threat posed by Iran earlier this year when President Bush had suggested in October that a nuclear-armed Iran could lead to “World War III” and Vice President Dick Cheney promised “serious consequences” if the government in Tehran did not abandon its nuclear program.
Yet at the same time officials were airing these dire warnings about the Iranian threat, analysts at the Central Intelligence Agency were secretly concluding that Iran’s nuclear weapons work halted years ago and that international pressure on the Islamic regime in Tehran was working.
Senator Harry Reid, the majority leader, portrayed the assessment as “directly challenging some of this administration’s alarming rhetoric about the threat posed by Iran.” He said he hoped the administration “appropriately adjusts its rhetoric and policy,” and called for a “a diplomatic surge necessary to effectively address the challenges posed by Iran.”
But the national security adviser, Stephen J. Hadley, quickly issued a statement describing the N.I.E. as containing positive news rather than reflecting intelligence mistakes.
“It confirms that we were right to be worried about Iran seeking to develop nuclear weapons,” Mr. Hadley said. “It tells us that we have made progress in trying to ensure that this does not happen. But the intelligence also tells us that the risk of Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon remains a very serious problem.”
“The estimate offers grounds for hope that the problem can be solved diplomatically - without the use of force - as the administration has been trying to do,” Mr. Hadley said.
The new report comes out just over five years after a deeply flawed N.I.E. concluded that Iraq possessed chemical and biological weapons programs and was determined to restart its nuclear program - an estimate that led to congressional authorization for a military invasion of Iraq, although most of the report’s conclusions turned out to be wrong.
Intelligence officials said that the specter of the botched 2002 N.I.E. hung over their deliberations over the Iran assessment, leading them to treat the document with particular caution.
“We felt that we needed to scrub all the assessments and sources to make sure we weren’t misleading ourselves,” said one senior intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company
So what, they are still guilty and should be nuked. Besides they probably have WMDs buried near their schools, hospitals, water plants and churches. They have lots of oil too, they’re Arabs and are hiding Osama bin Laden. A distinct threat to world Democracy and world peace. We gotta get rid of some more DU too, that stuff is to dangerous to store.
Iranians aren’t Arabs. They are Aryans/Persians. Anyway, I know you are joking right?
Oh, the Jewish State won’t like to hear this. AIPAC et al had their black hearts set on Darth Cheney bombing Israel’s neighbor all to hell.
This NIE has been on hold for 18 (??) months. It was not allowed to be published earlier because the White House kept sending it back demanding that it be rewritten. I also understand that this version has been heavily edited, and is but a shadow of it’s former self.
Yeah, I was joking. But the situation over there with our military prepared to strike actually isn’t very funny. I still am afraid Bush is going to bomb them, but maybe the people who tell him what to do are backing off.
In an attempt to make light of his lying again to the American public in order to precipitate yet another oil war, W. Bush looks for Iranian nukes under his desk in the oval office.
Years from now, millions of red-state-of-mind Americans will still be afraid that Iran is going to nuke them.
Can’t we waterboard Darth Cheney for world peace?
Remember when George Tennent, head of the CIA briefed Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld in Sept of 2001, from a top secret report, and said that Iraq did NOT have ANY weapons of mass destruction and had not purchased any uranium from Africa.
In anger, Bush ordered Tennent to bury that report and Tenent did. A few weeks later the NIE report was given to Colin Powell to read to the congress and the public and that top secret document was not in the altered NIE report. Instead, the NIE report stated that Saddam DID have WMDs and he HAD purchased uranium. Two weeks later, Congress gave Bush all of the power he needed to attack Iraq and here we is.___ and Powell took the blame for the G-damn lies.
The news that honest intelligence experts were planning to get this report released to the public is quite probably what caused Cheney’s irregular heart beat recently.
Let’s all hope that the actual release today doesn’t kill him —– NOT.
Curious also that the White House release of its comments and RESPONSE to the release of this report is tagged as being released by the New York Times exactly 59 minutes ago (by Google News search), while the actual report itself is listed as having been released by the same honest NYT only 26 minutes ago???
Looks like someone’s friends at the NYT tried to give the Bush response a bit of an edge over the report itself.
The White House war-heads have taken a drubbing on Iran intelligence. It now appears that both within and outside the U.S., a policy of Bush/Cheney containment is being applied. This gives hope that the political noose around their necks will increasingly be tightened and their insanity will be brought under control.
The Republican schedule to attack Iran in the 2008 election cycle is in place. When it happens, the election will be either called off or will be phrased with new ‘Support America in Wartime’ distortions, which are planned to prevent any ‘treasonous’ discussions about the President or Republican rule, and to emasculate the Democrats.
Besides, once Pakistan falls to the mullahs, the Khan Islamic Bomb project will be turned back on, and a few real weapons will be sold to Iran, to be put on their defensive missiles (on the QT of course).
So, What, Me Worry? Bush and his Mob have created just One Big Happy World! And the Bush Crime Family’s Amerikan government, through its war on trans-national ‘terror’, has declared War on ALL THE WORLD! A war without an objective other than power, without a real enemy except everybody Not the War-Makers, a war even on Bush’s own nation, Americans themselves!
But let’s not speak truth, no, let’s speak spin. Our War is for Goodness. Our Corporate Masters deign to allow us to live. We mustn’t point out silly truths. For our emperor has his clothes on, and our empire is one of sweetness and light. Let’s hope that light is not finally the flash from exploding nuclear bombs.
so what??
My neighbour’s kid could probably produce a nuclear weapon in his GARAGE by 2015…who couldn’t?
This article coheres with the view that if iran is working to build nuclear weapons, we must invade, i.e., the article plays into the hands of cheney and his ilk. The only real solution to iranian hostility to the u.s., is to END THE U.S. OCCUPATION OF THE ME.
cheney probably pulled a “Red Foxx” when hi heard what the eport would say…
” What? No Iran nukes, no credible threat?? Oh Oh, I feel the big one commin’ on…Beelzebubba, Ah’m comin’ buddy!”
This seems like a minor speed-bump at best. As we’ve already seen, it isn’t too big a deal to change up the cover stories. They already started with the “IED’s come from Iran” stories and the finding that the entire Revolutionary Guard are terrorists. Now we just “discover” some Iranian uniforms on the wrong side of the border, or somehow otherwise “prove” Iranians killed American soldiers, and the war is back on track.
It is very interesting that the NIE not only acknowledges the absence of evidence of a specific WEAPONS project, but concludes the absence of a program. This shows that someone is working hard to reassert the independence of the intelligence community from political pressure and reestablish its credibility.
However, the key issue isn’t the work to specifically develop a bomb, it’s the work to create the facilities and capabilities to enrich uranium and produce plutonium. Iran is still moving full steam ahead on this and there is still no plausible explanation of the motives behind it which does not include having an option to make nuclear weapons.
“The new report concludes that… it would still be at least two years before Tehran would have enough highly enriched uranium to produce a nuclear bomb. But it says it is still “very unlikely” Iran could produce enough of the material by then.”
It’s hard to know what this means. Iran’s declared intentions would give it the capability to produce enough highly enriched uranium within two years of now. They might slip on achieving those goals, but the more important point is that Iran’s program would in a few more years give it the capability to produce enough HEU for a bomb within about a month of a decision to do so, and also to produce plutonium at the rate of a few bombs worth per year.
So, the good news is that the intelligence community joins the military in not lining up behind Cheney and the neocons in their march to an immediate war with Iran. But the bad news is that this issue isn’t going away any time soon.
As usual the lies that have been pouring out of Washington will be swept under the rug and nobody will be held accountable.
The mistreatment of Mr. Ahmadinejad by that pig Lee Bollinger will also be forgotten.
They will just play down the fact that they tried to lead us to war against Iran, based on a fusillade of lies, in an effort to pirate more resources.
Criminal action demands accountability. I’ve said all along that Iran wasn’t building nukes. I never bought into any of that nonsense even for a second. Some people did though and they need to be held accountable. I would say that anyone that bought into the “Iran is building nukes” nonsense should lose their privilidge to vote based on their gullibility. These people didn’t learn their lessons in the Iraq war, failed to learn their lesson in Afghanistan, and were willing to believe the lies about Iran. Those people are unfit to cast a vote for anyone.
Mark Abram says:
-However, the key issue isn’t the work to specifically develop a bomb, it’s the work to create the facilities and capabilities to enrich uranium and produce plutonium. Iran is still moving full steam ahead on this and there is still no plausible explanation of the motives behind it which does not include having an option to make nuclear weapons.-
Iran is not attempting to construct nuclear weapons.
Iran is entitled to pursue nuclear power under the non-proliferation treaty. That is what they are currently doing. Enriching uranium is necessary for nuclear power. They have already been inspected and are continually inspected by the IAEA. They are being watched like a hawk by numerous countries. There is no ‘threat’ and there is no ‘issue’. Iran is clean. The only people still pushing the nuke nonsense (thats what it is is NONSENSE) are Israelis or those that want to plunder Iranian resources.
I urge you to discontinue watching FOX News.
The only way a dog learns not to chase cars and try to bite the wheels, is to catch one,thats what needs to happen to the US ,hurry and get a mouthful of chrome then go whine in yer kennel ie the Whitehouse and Pentagon
I see, THELORAX. If I should believe a lie told by any president, or some other high government official, I should be held accountable, banned from voting. __ Wow, what if I lie, and say I didn’t ever believe the other lie, then would I be allowed to vote? Of course you could have me water boarded, or have my feet put in boiling oil and then I’d tell the truth, __ right? Hope you don’t get elected to anything.
The oligarchy, including the corporate oligarchy and the powerful players in the government, is not a monolith. The plutocrats may agree that there should be a plutocracy, but only the hopelessly simpleminded would believe that settles any significant issues. It appears that the saner forces are pushing back against madman Cheney and his monkey.
George Warmonger Bush will bomb Iran anyway. You can bank on it.
Kem -
If you actually believed that Iran is constructing nuclear weapons, based on what FOX News told you, after they lied to you about 9/11, lied to you about Bin Laden in Tora Bora, and lied to you about Saddam and his WMD. If after all these lies were exposed you STILL listen to the liar and believe that Iran is building nukes, despite a complete lack of evidence, with credible agencies reponsible for inspecting Iran telling you there’s no weapons program, how can you reasonably expect to be of sound enough mind to cast a vote on any topic?
The Arabs in North Korea are expected, over the next couple of weeks, to provide proof positive they took no action to create nuclear bombs until their food, heating oil and cash were cut off by the Bush Administration.
ODNI needs to check on the Polar Bears; there’s no telling how they may be reacting to inaction on global warming; you know “Polar Bear” backwards spells “Arab terrorist”.
Mark Abram: “…it’s the work to create the facilities and capabilities to enrich uranium and produce plutonium.”
I understand that Iran has centrifuges installed to produce enriched uranium (i.e., uranium that is significantly the isotope U-235. This isotope is required for light-water power reactors (at a low end enrichement of 2-3%) and for a nuclear weapon (at the high end enrichement of >98%). However, plutonium is not produced in centrifuges. It must be created in a reactor, as the result of bombardment of uranium with neutrons. Are the Iranians capable of this? Or they pursuing this? NOT according this latest estimate.
Today’s NIE report stands in stark contrast to the White House’s propaganda campaign laying the groundwork for military action against Iran, a campaign that dates back almost six years—to Bush’s 2002 State of the Union address in which he designated Iran as a founding member of the “axis of evil.” Since then, this drumbeat has waxed and waned as other concerns—primarily the disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq—have often commanded center stage. Now, with the Bush administration approaching its final year in office, a renewed push and a shorter fuse have become increasingly evident. My 3-minute YouTube video entitled “Forewarned Is Forearmed: Bush On Iran” is available HERE. It offers a very brief but deeply troubling chronicle of the president’s public warmongering and demonization of Iran.
In a recent interview, Valerie Plame Wilson, said she slipped the Iranians the family recipe for cucumber salad in place of the bomb instructions; with everyone at the White House writing for the mainstream media apparently no one has time to read it.
Why aren’t we concerned about the only country that has an arsenal of 200 nuclear warheads, Israel? Focusing on Iran’s enrichment is ridiculous in light of this.
The report shows BushCo once again with their lying war-mongering pants down, and all the media as usual in bed with them in order to sell soap with terror….And the clown above says this doesn’t contradict what we’ve been told and told again….You won’t see this on FOX! Or much of anywhere else I’m sure….After all, the brave Americans are fighting terror by shopping, shopping and shopping beyond their means….
The uncontrolled spread of falafel is something I don’t feel is getting enough attention.
KEM PATRICK wrote: Two weeks later, Congress gave Bush all of the power he needed to attack Iraq and here we is.___ and Powell took the blame for the G-damn lies.
Welllll, its not as if lying does not come easily to Powell. After all, he was responsible for the initial cover-up of the Mai Lai massacre, and has since whitewashed the associated atrocities.
Dreamertoo Iranians don’t eat Falafel.
TheLorax-
No serious analyst believes Iran’s uranium enrichment program is motivated solely by nuclear power. Instead of all the work to build the facilities and master the technology, they could much more cheaply just buy uranium fuel from Russia or elsewhere. But the same plants that can be used to make low enriched uranium for nuclear power can also be used to make high enriched uranium for bombs. In fact, it is easier to make enough HEU for a bomb than it is to make enough LEU for a reactor.
zimmie53-
Iran’s nuclear power reactors, when operational, including the Bushehr reactor that Russia is close to finishing for them, will produce plutonium. But it would normally be “reactor grade” plutonium, which can be used to make bombs but is less reliable and harder to use, probably giving lower yield. Instead, Iran would like to produce “weapons grade” plutonium, which you do basically by cycling the fuel through faster. The ideal way to do this if you are trying to start up a bomb program is with a heavy water moderated, natural uranium fueled reactor like the one the US built at Hanford in 1942, like the ones that have been used in many other countries to produce plutonium for weapons. So, Iran is building a 40 MW reactor of this type at Arak which will be operational in another few years. The heavy water plant is already half-built and producing heavy water for the reactor. All this is openly declared to the IAEA. The Iranians say it’s for producing medical and industrial isotopes, but they already have a reactor that can do this and it doesn’t make any economic sense for them to build this much bigger one, which will be able to produce enough plutonium for about two bombs a year.
The warheads in my hometown want to know: why the hell does Iran needs nuclear power to generate electricity when they have all that oil?
Answer: Because oil is an increasingly valuable export commodity. Why burn it at home when you can trade it for Euros, Yuan and Yen?
Iran’s second largest export item is chemicals and pharmaceuticals -probably derived from petroleum feedstock. So why burn it when you can add value and export it?
They’d be smarter to go with renewables. But with Russia and France falling all over themselves to sell reactors, how can they resist?
However, I’m convinced that Iran intends to acquire a nuclear deterrent. They’d be fools not to. I say let ‘em. Their nukes won’t be aimed at Tel-Aviv. They’ll be aimed at American aircraft carriers.
See, the Iranians aren’t hot to develop a nuclear bomb after all. So the U.S. can call off its pitt bulls and leave Iran alone.
It’s obvious Bush didn’t want this released. How is it that it was? Does this represent an intentional shot across the bows from the intelligence agencies?
dc beltway–yes, but perhaps some Iraqi Arab refugees will open up falafel stands in Iran and the Iranians will develop a taste for it, hence dreamertoo’s concern.
Who knows where falafel will turn up next? I’m a WASP expat from the US living in Central America, and I eat falafel, even here. I have to eat it with flour tortillas, though, instead of pita.
(And, thanks, dreamertoo, I got a good laugh out of your comment.)
Something tells me the intelligence services are tired of being used as Cheney’s stooges.
jjohnjj-Iran has a large and growing population that likes energy the way we do. Without significant new crude oil extraction investment, Iran may run out of “exportable” oil within a decade according to some experts. We progressives need to make it clear to Bush that we will howl endlessly for Bush’s permanent imprisonment if he attacks Iran now that this NIE has been released.
I’ll bet there will be another slew of retirements, reassignments, and firings to get rid of anybody that put facts before ideology. That has been the pattern for the past seven plus years. The sign on the door reads “Sycophants Only.” All others need not apply.
Hi There THELORAX. Can’t you read? I wrote __ IF__ I should believe any lies our president told us. Do you assume I did believe any? In any case, your post was silly blather in case you didn’t know it. Lots of people, the vast majority including most of Congress believed the first lies Bush, the CIA and Cheney told; and why shouldn’t they have? If you knew it was a lie in 2001, why didn’t you insure everyone in the world did know the truth, did you have some top secret information that you withheld from all of humanity?
For you or anyone else say anyone who believed any of those lies should be held accountable and barred from voting is really wacko thinking, the type of thinking a crazy dictator would use.
WTF, I wrote what occurred, Colin Powell was not privey to that top secret CIA report. He took the blame for telling the lie Bush/Cheney initiated and Tennant allowed. If you wish to change the subject for some reason, Okay, knock yourself out. I wished to post some interesting info not everyone may be aware of.
God, I hope someone reads this report to George!
Kivals accurately states: “The oligarchy, including the corporate oligarchy and the powerful players in the government, is not a monolith.”
Yes, the global corporatist Empire hiding behind the facade of ‘Vichy America’ seems to have decided that the Bush/Cheney/neocon team is a bit more fascist and destructively war-like than they really wanted when they installed Bush.
The ruling corporatist Empire is not going to make the mistake they did in Germany — of installing a nut-case and letting him get too strong to wack.
Out goes the bad pawn, and in comes the good pawn.
What the American people really, really have to understand is that Bush and Cheney’s departure (and the departure of the hard-right, brown-shirted Republican wing-nuts in 2008) does not mean that the Empire is gone and buried, and that our little Empire problem is over — cause it ain’t by a long shot.
This switch from a snarling neocon team to a softer looking neolib team is all done smoothly under the management of the same global corporatist Empire.
We still have an Empire problem right here in River City folks.
Why does something that appears to be good news have a foul smell?? Who did we have to blame for no weapons of mass destruction? Someone will have to take the fall for this booboo. And, we will simply have to come up with another reason to nuke Iran. Leave it to Cheney to come up with another reason or another country that needs to be notched on his big plan. Venezuela?
No such thing as good news, ever, on these blogs. The intelligence wing is standing up to the loonies, that’s good news, period. It may or may not solve the problem, but it may well mean that a whole bunch of people won’t die. I for one am going to take a day to be happy about it.
I agree, MUGGLES. We will see if this is big news on every channel. It should be, since The New York Times published it. Tennant should have ignored Bush in 2001 and we would likely not be in this disasterous mess in the Mid-East.
Hi Billy, __ do you think Bush would understand it?
Mark Abram December 3rd, 2007 2:23 pm:
“However, the key issue isn’t the work to specifically develop a bomb, it’s the work to create the facilities and capabilities to enrich uranium and produce plutonium. Iran is still moving full steam ahead on this and there is still no plausible explanation of the motives behind it which does not include having an option to make nuclear weapons.”
“no plausible explanation”? Gosh, Canada produces oil and they have nuclear reactors. I guess that means they are the enemy too!
“no plausible explanation”? Golly, The Americans have overthrown the Iranian’s democratic government(53), installed a brutal tyrant(Shaw), supported an eight year war of aggression against them(Saddam), maintained unilateral sanctions and armed mercenary bandits attacking across the border from Iraq.
Apart from that, well no I can’t fathom why the Iranians wouldn’t trust the US to deliver nuclear fuel to them every month instead of using their own.
Thank you for publishing this NYT!!! If it doesn’t keep this criminal regime from an attack of Iran then it definitely sets the stage for their criminal prosecution for crimes against humanity.
Personally I feel Bush won’t be able to bomb them but the repugs will use Iraq as a scare tactic in the coming selection.
Then they’ll get Israel to bomb them . . .
Any of you guys think this means some corporations, even the most penny pinching (I’m looking at you Wal-Mart, Mcdonalds, Home Depot, Microsoft, etc.) are themselves now afraid of this administration? Also, shouldn’t Cheny’s buddies at Haliburton realize that a radioactive Iran means no money for them?
dcbeltway December 3rd, 2007 1:51 pm
“Can’t we waterboard Darth Cheney for world peace?”
Only if it’s not considered to be torture!
jlocke:
Canada produces oil, has nuclear reactors, and enriches uranium. And has had these capabilities for many years, and could produce crude nuclear weapons within months of a decision to do so. I don’t get your point. All I ever said was that Iran wants to get into the same position as Canada wrt the ability to make nuclear weapons.
You might say, why doesn’t Canada’s uranium enrichment and plutonium related activity prove it’s trying to get the bomb? Part of the answer is that the fact they haven’t made nuclear weapons proves they haven’t wanted to. But the nuclear fuel work makes much more sense for Canada than it does for Iran. Canada got into this before there was a uranium glut, when it looked like a good business. Canada has lots of uranium ore and can make money producing uranium fuel for countries like Iran to buy. Iran has very little and poor uranium deposits and can buy the fuel much more cheaply than they can produce it. But then they wouldn’t get the bomb.
I don’t deny that Iran has legitimate security concerns about its neighbors and the US.
However, they would not need to rely on the US to deliver nuclear fuel to them, since there are so many other suppliers out there, including Russia and Canada, and they would not need shipments every month either, so if there were an interruption from one supplier they could take their time finding another.
There really is no plausible interpretation of their determination to have their own uranium enrichment capability other than ensuring that they have the option to make nuclear weapons. And if that is not evidence enough, the plutonium production reactor seals the case.
EVERYONE: READ THE ACTUAL UNCLASSIFIED NIE: It’s short and to the point, and certainly not propaganda.
http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf
I honestly don’t believe there is any money left for Cheney and Haliburton to steal. Our ass is grass and China will be the grim reaper.
Kem, Sort of reminds me of a poem I wrote in the bad old Nixon days.
A thought for Nixon and his boys,
In their endless search for bigger toys.
After they have squeezed us dry,
What’ll be left for them to buy?
If Iran wanted to have nuclear weapons, they already have them or can purchase them. Anythng is for sale for the right price, just ask Isreal.
Very good thoghts Iibertas.
Are the intelligence agencies really beginning to see the scope of some of the problems they have created on this planet? I certainly hope so!
The FACT that there were NO WMD in Iraq didn’t seem to stop them, so I see no reason why facts should get in their way now.
Mark Abram December 3rd, 2007 6:16 pm:
“Part of the answer is that the fact they haven’t made nuclear weapons proves they haven’t wanted to”
If the present US government had been in office, perhaps Canada would have been sanctioned or attacked before their not making nukes would have proven that they haven’t wanted to.
Mark Abram December 3rd, 2007 6:16 pm:
“the nuclear fuel work makes much more sense for Canada than it does for Iran”
You are thinking in financial terms. Would it not be cheaper to contract out the US seaports to a Middle East company…Oh no they tried that didn’t they. The US government finally did not want to trust such a vital service to foreigners, despite it making economic sense. So you are arguing that Iranians don’t take similar precautions? Of course they do. We are talking about the power grid of an industrializing nation. The Iranians do not want to be vulnerable to economic blackmail when history has shown them the value of self-sufficiency. They are not going to take the chance that, for example, Russian fuel is cut off as part of some deal between Russia and the US.
Will Bush, Cheney, and their lapdogs ever learn to be truthful and responsible? At the same time in 2007 that their rhetoric was bellicose, our intelligence agencies must have had either little or contrary evidence on Iranian nuclear development. Yet, as in 2002-3 with Iraq, they shrilled fearful warnings that finally won much Congressional and public support for invading Iraq. Bush and Cheney deserve impeachment and condemnation; they are either sinister warmongers or inept clowns.
Thank you, freeforall! (You made some excellent points!)
Don’t look now, dcbeltway.
First Pizza, Now Falafel as Tell-Tale Sign of Terror
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/11/httpblogsabcnew.html
FBI Denies Falafel Data Mining, But CQ Stands By Story
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/11/fbi-denies-fala.html
namoses December 3rd, 2007 6:51 pm
“Now that most of the AIPAC spies are no longer in the Pentagon and the State Dept(Lawrence Franklin,Doug Feith, Wolfowitz”.
Ha!!!!
Check this out from today:
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4859
And regarding “peak oil”, check this out:
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
LOL Dreamertoo I suppose Hummus is next on their list!
I wonder if the truth will stop them. It’s never carried any weight in determining policy up to now. So, just because agencies are now confirming what the IAEA has been saying all along, doesn’t mean that it won’t be “bombs away” whenever the moron in the White House decides he’d like to implement another shock doctrine moment.
Bush and his cronies will make something else up. It won’t stop here.
Kucinich was the only presidential candidate who had it right from the beginning:
WASHINGTON, Dec. 3, /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Today’s report by U.S.
intelligence agencies that Iran — contrary to previous claims — ended its
nuclear weapons program in 2003 “is proof positive that this pro-war
administration has been manipulating intelligence and that the Presidential
candidates’ all-options-are-on-the-table posture with respect to Iran
reflects their inability to recognize when they’re being duped — again.”
So said Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich, the only
Democratic candidate who voted against the Iraq war authorization in 2002
and the only candidate who voted against every supplemental appropriation
since. Kucinich is also the only candidate who has warned, for months, that
the President has been setting the stage for a possible war with Iran,
facilitated by the approval and acquiescence of the Democrat-controlled
Congress.
“The President and Vice President have been beating the war drums, and
the House and the Senate have been dancing to that beat,” Kucinich said.
“Iran is a war crime in motion, and the Congress and the Presidential
candidates either can’t or won’t recognize that.”
And, “whatever feeble fall-back statements that the top-polling
Democratic Presidential candidates — Clinton, Obama, and Edwards — make
today, all three have repeatedly said that all options are on the table
with respect to Iran,” Kucinich pointed out.
“All options,” Kucinich said, “include everything from tactical nukes
to air strikes to incursions and invasion by U.S. ground troops who are
already over-stretched in Iraq and Afghanistan.
“We’ve already lost almost 4,000 brave men and women to a war they
should never have been sent to, and now, the White House, with the
collaboration of the Congress, is preparing to open a new front based on
intelligence that has been proven wrong.”
“The threat to peace and the facilitation of another war rests with
those who bow to the President’s personal and political agenda for an
expanded war. They allowed themselves to be deceived and fooled five years
ago, and they have fallen into that same foolish trap today. The people of
this nation deserve better than pawns of George Bush.”
In view of the new U.S. intelligence report, Kucinich said he would
demand that the other candidates explain their susceptibility to Bush’s
claims of Iranian nuclear threats. “They were wrong five years ago on Iraq.
They were wrong this year and Iran, and, heaven help us if they reach the
Oval Office and they’re wrong again,” Kucinich said.
Well, it’s about f&*#@ing time! Now, wouldn’t it be nice if the Dems take the hint and reconnect with their own backbone. Or is a lame-duck just too scary a monster for them?
Iran probably never intended to make nukes. Besides, Bush’s propaganda talk about Iran trying to make nuclear weapons, and the subsequent UN sanctions and threats to use force are rather recent and do not go as far back as 2003 to have acted as international pressure credited to have halted Iran’s desire to make nukes, as claimed by the US intelligence community. Therefore, I believe that one reasons behind the announcement of the new intelligence estimates is an exercise in face saving. In other words, too much rhetoric about war without actions to follow the threats would result in the US losing credibility. Hence, they had to come up with something to justify non-action. Either that, or it’s a US ploy designed for Iran to drop its military readiness and guard in the face of a surprise attack by the US. Take your choice.
Now that the NIE shows that Iran was never any threat, it’s more than a bit embarrassing for the pack of ‘big name’ Democratic candidates that they were so fearful of appearing ‘weak on terrorism’, that they were cowed by Bush into committing America to another war in the Middle East just to protect their cowardly hides.
Hey, Hillary, here’s something that you shouldn’t “take off the table” —- your friggin excuse and lies about how you were never in favor of war with Iran.
Maybe you can use the same pack of lies that your hubby just did in his, “I was always against the iraq war” BS.
This pack of gutless idiots, along with the lying MSM’s help in promoting them as being friggin ‘electable’ came that close to installing someone in the White House who would have gladly done anything “on the table” before this NIE news broke — and made them all look like the dangerous fools that they are.
Remember that, people when you go to vote next fall —– it’s actually more important to the lives of your kids than whether Bill will be more help to Hill’s campaign than Oprah will be to Obama —- in fact it’s more important than any of the BS that the MSM blows you your arses about this totally phony campaign entertainment crap.
I watched the story reported on ABC and FOX tonight. Of course, FOX couldn’t resist saying that Iran will still have enough material for a bomb by 2010 (or within 10 years. 10 something).
I’m not convinced that Iran has given up on building the bomb. Its “prestigious”, an equalizer to Israel’s weapons, and one up on the Sunni powers. The IAEA will need to watch them like a hawk, and the US and Israel need to covertly watch them too.
It looks like the intelligence professionals pulled a little coup on their neocon patronage bosses and minders, and are isolating the hawks in the White House. A fool me twice - shame on me attitude. Hansen at NASA stood up to them, and some of the miltary have aired their doubts about IEDs coming from Iran. Maybe the patriotic pros have had enough of the chickenhawks running wild.
Those above who point out that the big name Democrat candidates were so easily duped by this are right on. But it has to go deeper.
Why does so much of America come down on the side of fear when all the evidence points to rationality as the answer? This is the question that every single American should ask himself. Why fear?
Dylan had it right - ‘When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose’. And so, it follows, ‘if you have everything, you have everything to fear (lose)’.
Those UN inspectors have proven themselves to be right time and time again. The Bush administration have been consistently wrong. Only fools would follow Bush.
After knowing the contents of the NIE for approximately a year, Bush says,
‘So I’ve told people that if you’re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from [having] the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon.’
He starts with, ‘Until they suspend…’, when already knowing well they have already suspended. Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94LtRZ3urWY
One guy on the Keith Olberman program tonight said the reason Iran stopped their nuke program, was because we attacked Iraq in 2003. He claims they will start up again as soon as Bush is out of office and will have atomic weapons by the end of 2008. He claims the only reason they haven’t already had a stockile of atomic bombs, is because of the wonderful things Bush has done in Iraq and the Mid-East. I did get the impression, he’s a rabid Bush supporter.
What kind of fear are you suggestig we Americans all are having there Malfoyd? You been eating those kidney pies again? I swear, they are nothing but low pressure filters and are full of toxic poisons that will destroy your brain cells. It’s like eating sludge from the bottom of a nuclear storage dump. Those fish and chips are almost as bad. Try a bucket of Sanders deep fried chicken or some cold spinach sandwiches. Clear your head up bud, then come back and give us Yanks some good advice.
The democrats acted like they were surprised by this report. For most of us americans, we learned long ago that the Bush administration is only about lies and deception. For some reason Nancy in Wonderland and her democratic friends just can’t believe that dear old W would ever lie or mislead. Oh my, why do I keep getting bitten when I pet the snake?
Can anyone shed any light on how this NIE got released? It seems to directly contradict what cheney (why even mention bush?) has been saying for some time now. Is there a rogue intelligence agency not toeing the line? Going to be hard to bomb them now…
Damn! - I do wish you guys hadn’t mentioned that top secret *Hummus* thing! …
Now we’re really in trouble, and will get every darned spook from the gov’t secret agencies comin’ down on us from a great height, -all looking into how we found out about *The Falafels Factor* and all…
And speaking of spooks; methinks they, -like many another being, are very keen to hold on to their jobs (and their state funding).
Quite rationally, they’ll be looking down the line a little way: Soon the Bush menagerie will be dead and gone, and some other lord and master (or mistress?) will be at the helm.
If one cares to carry on having a comfy position as a member of *Spooks ‘R’ Us* it’s as well to show …er… *some* degree of competence, after that whole Iraq debacle?
Why go down in a cloud of ignominious dust, paying obeisance to an utterly corrupt, dying regime of crazed baboons, when you could be showing that you are really *quite* on the case after all?
How best to feather your nest and ensure that The New Guys will love and continue to fund you?
~ The way forwards is to pull the rug out from under the feet of the present incumbents of the Gray House by releasing a report, (as best possible) which undermines that nest of scorpions, and thus curry favor with the next dubious crew…
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Now, back to the serious stuff!
I have it on good authority that the Iranians are buying up huge stocks of… (yes, -you guessed it) *CHICK PEAS!* which they will use to assemble dangerous stockpiles of highly menacing Falafels by the thousand.
Imagine that! This will pose a serious threat to the stability of the Middle North, and on that basis we need to stop them in their tracks NOW!
In pursuance of my aims since I was a demented rich-boy / spoilt brat torturer of frogs, (aged circa 9yrs) I have been on the hotline to God this morning, and he has instructed me to point my finger at Mr Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and say, “Yabba-Dabba-Doo” three times, (very loudly) and thus scare the sneaky devil’s pants off him.
If that doesn’t work, I shall order my Chief-of-Stuff, (Vile president ‘Duck-shoot’ Cheney) to be fired from a 600mm cannon into the center of Tehran, where, -upon impact- the resultant pollution of a disgustingly bloated, exploding poison-head fat-pig Cheney will pollute the country’s water supply for the next 2,000 years,
–by which time I may have at last learned how to do joined-up writing and fully mastered my copy of ‘Advanced Pencil Sharpening for Dummies’…
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[ Btw: it would be interesting to see any inept blogging attempts by the imbecile Bush compared with those of the current leader of Tehran!]
You can view the latter’s blog @ : http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/
Kem-
Sorry if my posts about voting irritated you. It’s just that I’m angry. I’m angry and the large number of mindless masses that we have here in this country. People that hide under their tables and in their closets because they live in a state of paranoid delusion. I’m annoyed by neoconservative idiots like Mark Abrams, who get their information directly from bush’s mouth and FOX News. They live in a fantasy world, make baseless accusations about other nations, and try to spread fear on programs that have already been proven not to exist. It’s sad to see that there are still people that cling in vain to the idea that Iran is attempting to build nuclear weapons. They want their war so much that they keep repeating worn-out lies.
There are so many Americans willing to go to war over nonsense, religious nuts that are working as hard as they can to destroy our society from within, and greedy criminals trying to stick their hands in everyone’s pockets. I get annoyed at that sometimes and maybe my spiel about voting was a little hard. It’s gets old trying to wake people up and trying to reason with the stupid.
Today Congress will be voting on the Senate’s version of H.R 1955. Speak up now people, or face the consequences of being labeled a “terrorist” for much of what has been written on this forum.
Apparently, apolitical forces in the intelligence community insisted that the truth be released to the American people and the world; they are extremely unhappy about what happened with Iraq.
This isn’t news to most of us American’s who are capable of using our brains to think and reason like normal. Once a pathological liar always one. It’s a mental illness with him. It’s hard to cure without a lot of extensive treatment. I think he has told so many lies he has no clue now what the truth really is. It all sounded to much like the ramped up rhetoric he indulged in before Iraq. I am one who didn’t fall for it then and still isn’t. All I can say is I hope history portrays him as the lunatic he is.
Too bad the intelligence community didn’t insist earlier. About 4,000 Americans and God knows how many Iraqis are dead because they didn’t insist.
I insist you vote for Ron Paul who insisted all along.
Hummus seems harmless enough, which is exactly what makes it such a threat. Most people here would agree it has several times the intelligence of most members of the Bush Administration, for example. Hummus is poorly understood which only feeds into its potential to spread uncontrollably.
While Bush and Republicans in Congress distract us with the ‘War on Terror’, hummus spreads.
Dreamertoo I hear one of Iran’s neighbors in the region has very large stockpiles of the dangerous weapon known as Babaganush.
“Leave it to Cheney to come up with another reason or another country that needs to be notched on his big plan. Venezuela?”
BushCo, of course, formulate no ‘big plans’ or ever-have (any more than the preceding/following ‘admins’ do). And KEM is developing a good-handle on that-fact (as are we-all?).
As for Venezuela, note Gates’ efforts re: a major-base in Suriname — soon.
Also, such ‘major leaks’ as the above-discusseded reports and/or American-embassy communications re: covert-operations in Venezuela [for example-only] are _never_ ‘accidental’ or indicators that any Policy is under ‘attack’. We see only what we are meant-to-see (applicable to someone as highly-placed as Powell and right-down to the man-on-street level).
If you want to amuse-yourself with ‘analysis’, you still need to balance between “Quo-Bono” and ‘knowing by fruits’ [example: fearing an ‘attack on Iran’ was a ploy from-onset, as proven by placement of carrier-groups into an indefensible Strait-location, and past-cooperations ‘twixt it and CIA/Mossad]. Iran obviously intends to continue its self-Interested ’straddle’ between E&W, and assumes this ‘neo-ColdWar role’ only due to covert-assurances from longstanding&allied Anglo-Israeli Interests it apparently ‘trusts’ (and the Chinese/Caspian/Russki emergent-alliances it hopes-to). [It’s actually Lebanese/Syrian-Interests, trapped between Turkey&Israel while subject to the pawning of Kurdish&other ‘easily-manipulated’ econo-religio-ethnic ‘mixed/useful-interests’, that are currently most ‘at-risk’, and ‘low-hanging’.]
IOW, ‘Yes’ — if their lips-move, they are lying.
So what? Set-aside ‘moral-outrage’ and shift-imposed-blinders… See everything only ‘in its real-Context’, and ‘know their fruits’. Parliament/Congress, the Knisset, and all of these relevant ‘admins/leaders’ know exactly what they are doing (or know-better than to stand-in-the-way), and most ‘history’ since Enlightenment has been going exactly as-Planned and on-Schedule. [Most-here seem to get so bogged-down in the ‘details’…?]
The Bush lovers are getting angry and bitter that they continously have to defend a secretive, lying idiot… especially in a time when nobody wants to continue down this desctructive path of a far right neo-conservatist agenda.
Every single one of you bloggers here are full of it, ALL OF YOU IDIOTS. This article is stupid liberal spin too.
OUR PRESIDENT BUSH just finished with another incredible news conference, and he said that this NIE report PROVES that what he has been telling us all along was right on target. It PROVES Iran had nuclear ambitions___ because they STOPPED it in 2003.
Then he continused and said, this NIE report which he first saw a few days ago, PROVES WE MUST STAY THE COURSE and nothng has changed.
So there you go dummies, Bush is right and was right and always will be right. __ Bomb bomb Iran. We knew this news conference happen too. When spin starts,__ it’s hard to stop the spin.
Kem, the NIE report that Iran was never a threat and not worth starting or posturing to start another Middle East war (one that could predictably turn nuclear) is going to have a MASSIVE EFFECT on the US presidential election, despite your obvious political forecasting skills saying that it will have no effect.
The entire gutless pack of supposedly ‘first tier’, leading Democrat candidates anointed as they were by the MSM wouldn’t “take anything off the table” in threatening Iran with nuclear war.
Only Dennis Kucinich had the guts and brains not to fall for this pro-war posturing and ‘tough guy’ BS.
However, the proto-fascist Republican war-mongers calling for more war in the Middle East are all totally discredited even more than the dummy dems.
McCain, of course, takes the prize for his rendition of “Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” —- which, after the 2008 election results, he will doubtless still be singing, while drooling in his chair, at the Arizona Pines Nursing Home for the Politically Stupid.
Kem, perhaps you, Bush, and Cheney will be joining Senator ‘bomb-nut’ McCain in a barber shop quartet of drooling and song, eh?
Ha Ha, It looks like our 16 intelligence agencies are finally listening to our 17th… the Folk Intelligence Bureau …. we get it right the first time.
KEM PATRICK:
Something has changed. The intelligence community fought an 18 month battle with the administration and won. They said we won’t be your whore again. Most of the military command has said war with Iran over our dead bodies. Their was an under-reported mutiny last year and an under-reported mutiny going on right now. 70% of the population thinks Bush is an idiot and a loser. He doesn’t havve the support of the people. A lot has changed since 2003.
All Bush has left is the MSM and the AIPAC Democrats. Is it enough to launch a war with Iran? Maybe, but the courageous NIE has lowered the odds.
Why can’t you enjoy good news? I’m as cynical as anyone - but I take it when I can get it.
Ramsay
UN COMMON DREAMS
thanks for the laugh. but don’t forget those ‘foule’ beans. they can produce enough gas on their own to wipe a whole nation off the face of the planet………..(especially if combined with tamaya sandwiches!!)
I was not serious in case you missed it AMACD and RAMSEY, except to POINT OUT, that Bush is not going to quit and has already begun the spin that he was right all along and a lot of Americans will buy his latest bullshit.
Sorry for being cynical there, never thought anyone here would take it seriously. I guess you didn’t read my prior posts on this thread.
I could not resist adding my 2 cents worth with a post I made on another article. It seems more appropriate here.:
“I wonder what manufactured ‘crisis’ will erupt soon to be used as justification for another war?
I shudder to think since obviously the truth doesn’t slow anyone down in their pursuit of ritualized state murder.
Maybe they will accuse Austria of “Relentless Truth-mongering” since Vienna is home to the IAEA - and El Baradei. And we know how disruptive to international hegemony that can be.
It would only take a small nuke to shut them up.”
I see this article just got buried here at CD. The same thing will likely happen with the media and newspapers. The good news will be dead news by tomorrow and Bush will stay the course and Congress will support him. ___ We’ll see.
Bush, the Super War Criminal will always have the protection from his crimes by the threat of War or Emergency rule and of course the old standby from the JFK cover-up World War Three.
But who will save his ass when he can no longer hide behind his War=Terror rule…. when the Decider becomes the Hider!
Love Ya, Jim
I do not understand why a headliner article of such importance as this, has been essentially buried here after less than a day?
This morning Bush answered a reporter’s question and said he was aware last year there was new intelligence on Iran’s nuclear program, but that he did not know what that new, top secret, intelligence was until a few days ago. That is such a lie, that I’m surprised HIS God didn’t strike him with a bolt of lightening. I do believe he listens to a different God than I do.
Bush is not intelligent. but his advisors and speech writers are. They have already begun the spin to kill this NIE account and turn it around to suit their prior lies. Will the press and media hammer him and Cheney on this and keep the pressure on? Well, Fox sure won’t.
The burying of this article by CD certainly gives me pause. I don’t know about the rest of you!
I guess we cannot be too certain about all these truth-mongers when the fear-mongers control the fact pipeline.
Well, CURMUDEGEON 99, they did retrieve the one about Cheney and this important issue from the archives and put it back up near the top. At least it has a wonderful picture of ‘have a shot in the face’ of Cheney to garner some attention.
KEM - from what I’ve read about the practices of fascists like the shrub’s family,
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Is that by any chance, the Skull and Bones cult at Yale University?
I do belive Bush and Cheney and many others in the political and neo-con world have sold their souls.
dcbeltway, a separate NIE should focus just on Babaganush.
Wikipedia has begun the effort (including some interesting preparation options)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_ghanoush
Yes EVIL beyond most peoples’ ability to comprehend:
I’m not certain if the ONE TRUE ONE really allows outright selling of one’s soul, perhaps they just rented it out?
Well Kem, this refers to possible reason for burying:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/world/middleeast/05webreact.html?em&ex=1196917200&en=3c76117a54b5f349&ei=5087%0A
Israel Unconvinced Iran Has Dropped Nuclear Program
Wasn’t Cheney story was there before the burying?!!!!
No CUMUDGEON, that Cheney article appeared here about two hours after this one was buried. It states it was retrieved from the CD’s archives. Notice the time when the first blog was posted on Dec 4th, and when the one prior to that was posted,___ several days ago.
So this article is buried because Isreal BELIEVES Iran did stop the program for awhile but later began again. In that case, the NIE report is wrong. All this shows me is that Isreal is rght in there spinning the same crap Bush is.
So does Isreal order Common Dreams what to do?
Yes,
Given it’s importance, I too was surprised that this article was ‘buried’ so very quickly … an interesting decision on the C-D staffer’s part.
I know C-D staffers don’t generally add their own comments here, (-as much as I suspect they would often really like to!) but I wonder if we might be given a reason for this perplexing reaction?
~ That could be helpful,
Thankyou.
Maybe they have a comment capacity issue and buried it due to so many feelings being expressed.
I doubt that, it isn’t in the archives yet. There were only about 90 comments when it got pushed aside. But maybe so, I’d never heard of that. I would bet some of the bloggers here are CD staff, ___ hope so.
It’s all so sinister. Are we to applaud Fallon for apparent honesty in what was common knowledge a year ago? Does Cheney nevertheless always gets his wars…
Does Trickier Dick now dig up undercover cousins of McConnel or Fallon to get ‘Plamed’ for their double-cross of the Darth’s prime death directive? (Better call Carl).
Maybe the NSA and Pentagon have finally filled the void left by the failed branch of government vacuated by the Senate and House (With ‘contractors’ securing the perimeter for the full martial effect)
Or perhaps Dickolini and his Neocon Blackshirts are having a spat– I’m so weary of trying to second guess what these compulsive warriors are up to, but if for whatever unknowable reason their bombing is put off, what an intelligent course-correction that would be!
Most likely Rumsfeld’s Iraq safari simply used up too much bird-shot & ‘Bombiran’ needed to get back-burnered for a bit.
If there really is some shred of belated dissent within the dictatorship, then fear of the coming tribunals and charges of criminal complicity could be the cause–
But it’s TOO LATE TITO! There is no getting out of this one, this entire gang are all going down in FLAMES for the genocide they’ve already done—
(Just one request before the hammer falls: When they finally cage this entire caste of neocon uber-criminals in some zoo of gruesome militaristic mass-murderous ghouls, they shall each be strapped to a board and force-fed fried photos of ann coulter’s face and billo’s bilious brain smothered in hannity hot-air sauce– that oughta cough up a confession!).
Hope you all saw the Chris Matthews program yesterday. He blasted Bush as good as Keith Olberman does. If the press hugs this story with front page editorials, Bush and Cheney will be melba toast. We’ll see if our press have the courage and common sense to press on and stay the new course.
Since 12/3 “everything has changed”!
12/3, the date of the NIE reporting that Iran was no nuclear threat, has “changed everything” as the saying goes.
Since 12/3, all American citizens and voters have been able to see that all the mainstream candidates, of both parties, were totally wrong in their militarist threats that “all options had to be ‘on the table’ with Iran” — and that all the candidates’ ‘tough guy’ threatening to bomb Iran have now been shown to be dangerous exaggerations by posturing and cowardly fools.
But the MSM, which has anointed these rash, cowardly, foolish and dangerous candidates, is now trying desperately to bury this story and ignore all the debate videotapes of these ‘leading’ candidates having just weeks earlier said things like, “Well, I would take an even stronger position than my fellow candidates and ‘leave all options on the table’”.
Does the MSM expect that Americans are really so stupid that they can not remember the wrong and threatening statements that all these fools took only a few weeks ago?
Does the MSM think that they can fool the entire American public, as Bush tried to do with his ‘happy-talk’ press conference the next morning — saying that almost starting a nuclear war with Iran was OK because it worked out fine?
Does the MSM think that Americans are going to believe any of their ‘Entertainment Tonight-style’ reporting of their vacuous election analysis now that we have all seen the truth of 12/3?
What 12/3 shows the American public is not simply that Iran was not ever a nuclear threat, but far more importantly, that the entire circus of all these corporate sponsored, MSM-promoted, and pro-war candidates running around in circles and threatening to wage more war for the Empire behind ‘Vichy America’ is a deadly and dangerous sham of democracy that they and their children can not afford to be fooled about.
But then, that’s exactly why the MSM is pulling out all the stops and trying to bury this truth, and to tell Americans that what they saw with their own eyes on 12/3 never really happened — or at least that it’s no real danger to us and our country.
As Giuliani’s cops said after having mistaken a kid pulling a cell-phone from his pocket as being a gun, and shot him 28 times, “No story here folks, just move along with your business.”
Yes, that’s what the MSM is trying to say that Giuliani, McCain, Romney, Clinton, Obama, and all the other ‘leaders’ meant just prior to the reveling truth of 12/3:
“We didn’t mean to start a war with Iran, when we thought they had a nuke in their pocket and we all drew our guns and fired, we just meant to scare them.”
“Sure”, the American people are now thinking. “If any of you war mongers were actually in office, you might very likely have launched a nuclear war in Iran — except for the truth now of 12/3”.