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Steep Price Paid by Those Who Blew Whistle on Iraq Fraud
One after another, the men and women who have stepped forward to report corruption in the massive effort to rebuild Iraq have been vilified, fired and demoted.
Or worse.
For daring to report illegal arms sales, Navy veteran Donald Vance says he was imprisoned by the American military in a security compound outside Baghdad and subjected to harsh interrogation methods.
There were times, huddled on the floor in solitary confinement with that head-banging music blaring dawn to dusk and interrogators yelling the same questions over and over, that Vance began to wish he had just kept his mouth shut.
He had thought he was doing a good and noble thing when he started telling the FBI about the guns and the land mines and the rocket-launchers - all of them being sold for cash, no receipts necessary, he said. He told a federal agent the buyers were Iraqi insurgents, American soldiers, State Department workers, and Iraqi embassy and ministry employees.
The seller, he claimed, was the Iraqi-owned company he worked for, Shield Group Security Co.
"It was a Wal-Mart for guns," he says. "It was all illegal and everyone knew it."
So Vance says he blew the whistle, supplying photos and documents and other intelligence to an FBI agent in his hometown of Chicago because he didn't know whom to trust in Iraq.
For his trouble, he says, he got 97 days in Camp Cropper, an American military prison outside Baghdad that once held Saddam Hussein, and he was classified a security detainee.
Also held was colleague Nathan Ertel, who helped Vance gather evidence documenting the sales, according to a federal lawsuit both have filed in Chicago, alleging they were illegally imprisoned and subjected to physical and mental interrogation tactics "reserved for terrorists and so-called enemy combatants."
Corruption has long plagued Iraq reconstruction. Hundreds of projects may never be finished, including repairs to the country's oil pipelines and electricity system. Congress gave more than $30 billion to rebuild Iraq, and at least $8.8 billion of it has disappeared, according to a government reconstruction audit.
Despite this staggering mess, there are no noble outcomes for those who have blown the whistle, according to a review of such cases by the Associated Press.
"If you do it, you will be destroyed," said William Weaver, professor of political science at the University of Texas-El Paso and senior advisor to the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition.
"Reconstruction is so rife with corruption. Sometimes people ask me, 'Should I do this?' And my answer is no. If they're married, they'll lose their family. They will lose their jobs. They will lose everything," Weaver said.
They have been fired or demoted, shunned by colleagues, and denied government support in whistleblower lawsuits filed against contracting firms.
"The only way we can find out what is going on is for someone to come forward and let us know," said Beth Daley of the Project on Government Oversight, an independent, nonprofit group that investigates corruption. "But when they do, the weight of the government comes down on them. The message is, 'Don't blow the whistle or we'll make your life hell.'
"It's heartbreaking," Daley said. "There is an even greater need for whistleblowers now. But they are made into public martyrs. It's a disgrace. Their lives get ruined."
Bunnatine "Bunny" Greenhouse knows this only too well. As the highest-ranking civilian contracting officer in the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, she testified before a congressional committee in 2005 that she found widespread fraud in multibillion-dollar rebuilding contracts awarded to former Halliburton subsidiary KBR.
Soon after, Greenhouse was demoted. She now sits in a tiny cubicle in a different department with very little to do and no decision-making authority, at the end of an otherwise exemplary 20-year career.
People she has known for years no longer speak to her.
"It's just amazing how we say we want to remove fraud from our government, then we gag people who are just trying to stand up and do the right thing," she says.
In her demotion, her supervisors said she was performing poorly. "They just wanted to get rid of me," she says softly. The Army Corps of Engineers denies her claims.
"You just don't have happy endings," said Weaver. "She was a wonderful example of a federal employee. They just completely creamed her. In the end, no one followed up, no one cared."
But Greenhouse regrets nothing. "I have the courage to say what needs to be said. I paid the price," she says.
Then there is Robert Isakson, who filed a whistleblower suit against contractor Custer Battles in 2004, alleging the company - with which he was briefly associated - bilked the U.S. government out of tens of millions of dollars by filing fake invoices and padding other bills for reconstruction work.
He and his co-plaintiff, William Baldwin, a former employee fired by the firm, doggedly pursued the suit for two years, gathering evidence on their own and flying overseas to obtain more information from witnesses. Eventually, a federal jury agreed with them and awarded a $10 million judgment against the now-defunct firm, which had denied all wrongdoing.
It was the first civil verdict for Iraq reconstruction fraud.
But in 2006, U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III overturned the jury award. He said Isakson and Baldwin failed to prove that the Coalition Provisional Authority, the U.S.-backed occupier of Iraq for 14 months, was part of the U.S. government.
Not a single Iraq whistleblower suit has gone to trial since.
"It's a sad, heartbreaking comment on the system," said Isakson, a former FBI agent who owns an international contracting company based in Alabama. "I tried to help the government, and the government didn't seem to care."
* * *
One way to blow the whistle is to file a "qui tam" lawsuit (taken from the Latin phrase "he who sues for the king, as well as for himself") under the federal False Claims Act.
Signed by Abraham Lincoln in response to military contractors selling defective products to the Union Army, the act allows private citizens to sue on the government's behalf.
The government has the option to sign on, with all plaintiffs receiving a percentage of monetary damages, which are tripled in these suits.
It can be a straightforward and effective way to recoup federal funds lost to fraud. In the past, the Justice Department has joined several such cases and won. They included instances of Medicare and Medicaid overbilling, and padded invoices from domestic contractors.
But the government has not joined a single quit tam suit alleging Iraq reconstruction abuse, estimated in the tens of millions. At least a dozen have been filed since 2004.
"It taints these cases," said attorney Alan Grayson, who filed the Custer Battles suit and several others like it. "If the government won't sign on, then it can't be a very good case - that's the effect it has on judges."
The Justice Department declined comment.
Most of the lawsuits are brought by former employees of giant firms. Some plaintiffs have testified before members of Congress, providing examples of fraud they say they witnessed and the retaliation they experienced after speaking up.
Julie McBride testified last year that as a "morale, welfare and recreation coordinator" at Camp Fallujah, she saw KBR exaggerate costs by double- and triple-counting the number of soldiers who used recreational facilities.
She also said the company took supplies destined for a Super Bowl party for U.S. troops and instead used them to stage a celebration for themselves.
"After I voiced my concerns about what I believed to be accounting fraud, Halliburton placed me under guard and kept me in seclusion," she told the committee. "My property was searched, and I was specifically told that I was not allowed to speak to any member of the U.S. military. I remained under guard until I was flown out of the country."
Halliburton and KBR denied her testimony.
She also has filed a whistleblower suit. The Justice Department has said it would not join the action. But last month, a federal judge refused a motion by KBR to dismiss the lawsuit.
* * *
Donald Vance, the contractor and Navy veteran detained in Iraq after he blew the whistle on his company's weapons sales, says he has stopped talking to the federal government.
Navy Capt. John Fleming, a spokesman for U.S. detention operations in Iraq, confirmed the detentions but said he could provide no further details because of the lawsuit.
According to their suit, Vance and Ertel gathered photographs and documents, which Vance fed to Chicago FBI agent Travis Carlisle for six months beginning in October 2005. Carlisle, reached by phone at Chicago's FBI field office, declined comment. An agency spokesman also would not comment.
The Iraqi company has since disbanded, according the suit.
Vance said things went terribly wrong in April 2006, when he and Ertel were stripped of their security passes and confined to the company compound.
Panicking, Vance said, he called the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, where hostage experts got on the phone and told him "you're about to be kidnapped. Lock yourself in a room with all the weapons you can get your hands on."'
The military sent a Special Forces team to rescue them, Vance said, and the two men showed the soldiers where the weapons caches were stored. At the embassy, the men were debriefed and allowed to sleep for a few hours. "I thought I was among friends," Vance said.
The men said they were cuffed and hooded and driven to Camp Cropper, where Vance was held for nearly three months and his colleague for a little more than a month. Eventually, their jailers said they were being held as security internees because their employer was suspected of selling weapons to terrorists and insurgents, the lawsuit said.
The prisoners said they repeatedly told interrogators to contact Carlisle in Chicago. "One set of interrogators told us that Travis Carlisle doesn't exist. Then some others would say, 'He says he doesn't know who you are,"' Vance said.
Released first was Ertel, who has returned to work in Iraq for a different company. Vance said he has never learned why he was held longer. His own interrogations, he said, seemed focused on why he reported his information to someone outside Iraq.
And then one day, without explanation, he was released.
"They drove me to Baghdad International Airport and dumped me," he said.
When he got home, he decided to never call the FBI again. He called a lawyer, instead.
"There's an unspoken rule in Baghdad," he said. "Don't snitch on people and don't burn bridges."
For doing both, Vance said, he paid with 97 days of his life.
© 2007 The Associated Press.

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Show Allcertainly says something when the same government that is being ripped off will ruin your life if you let them know.
way to go, bushco.
well done, indeed.
Donald Vance thank you for your courage. We need more real heros like you.
Given the amount of US weaponry "lost" in Iraq, one wonders who's really arming the "terrorists" there. Methinks Osama's best pals are living and "working" in Washington, DC.
veive, I've been thinking that for years
Justice...would be to fill up the Halliburton Concentration Camps with Halliburton employees and corrupt government officials.
This report appears on DailyKos with much more detail. Names of U.S. citizens and high up military officers. Many from the Great State of Texas. What a bunch of ASSHOLES.
Long before I was a nurse, I tried to blow the whistle on the nursing home abusing my great aunt, but almost got her killed instead. And as a nursing student, my ethics class went to great lengths to show how whistle blowing ruins your life. It detailed the divorces, lost homes, lost careers, and suicides of whistle blowers. Message: don't rock the boat. Rarely do whistle blowers achieve their goals of exposing and correcting wrongs. And their own lives always become a hell. A law protecting whistle blowers was passed some years ago, and overturned when the Republicans took control of Congress, and upheld by the Supreme Court. They don't like whistle blowers either.
The Democrats aren't addressing this one. Fancy that.
I find this truly frightening and astonishing. This is not the United States I thought I knew. Although nothing surprises me anymore under the Bush regime. We really do have a dictatorship where anything perceived as dissent is punished. What happens to this country when no one feels safe to speak the truth or criticize the party in power? We're finding out and it's not a pretty picture. Americans better wake up, and wake up fast. It may be too late already.
Haven't you heard? America doesn't torture.
Now, thanks to George W. Bush, we have National Security Presidential Directive 51.
Anyone that is deemed to interfere with the rebuilding of Iraq in the NeoCon's immage (aka plunder) by pointing out corruption and waste will have their assets seized to face starvation alone. Ditto for anyone offering aid and comfort (food, water, money etc.) to the poor banished bastards.
And so it goes. Democracy on the move.
God bless America. You portray whisle blowers as criminals rather than whistle blowers who blow on those who as they are criminals, or in legal terms alleged. US of A - one of the most respected nations in the World once upon a time. You have descended to the depths of Fascism's and are now a stinking corpse of once you were. Shame on you and your pseudo Judeo/Christian excuses for the Death and Destruction your Government has wrought on this World, in particular the Middle East.
THIS STORY HAS DISAPPEARED FROM THE AP ARCHIVE.
Yahoo had it up on it's homepage for a moment and then it vanished.
Can somebody else try to find it?
This is the one I love:
"Then there is Robert Isakson, who filed a whistleblower suit against contractor Custer Battles in 2004, alleging the company - with which he was briefly associated - bilked the U.S. government out of tens of millions of dollars by filing fake invoices and padding other bills for reconstruction work.
He and his co-plaintiff, William Baldwin, a former employee fired by the firm, doggedly pursued the suit for two years, gathering evidence on their own and flying overseas to obtain more information from witnesses. Eventually, a federal jury agreed with them and awarded a $10 million judgment against the now-defunct firm, which had denied all wrongdoing. It was the first civil verdict for Iraq reconstruction fraud. But in 2006, U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III overturned the jury award. He said Isakson and Baldwin failed to prove that the Coalition Provisional Authority, the U.S.-backed occupier of Iraq for 14 months, was part of the U.S. government."
Must be a Cheney-aide -- "Ha, look, I'm part of Congress, Congress doesn't oversee itself" -- "Ha, I'm part of the executive, I claim executive privilege, can't catch me!"
No surprise here, and the fact is that the Iraq adventure is synonymous with fraud. Why else go to war? Business as usual in the Fed means that people's careers will be destroyed if they don't purchase from Microsoft, or Raytheon, or Perot Systems et. al. No need for some sensationalist metal washer or wrench, $1000 a seat is the way to scam your way to profit.
The goods and services are sometimes imaginary, a well documented fairy tail. If you interfere, you threaten people's livelihoods, fraud becomes irrelevant.
We've all read about packs of public servants who will savage a colleague who displays a shred of integrity in the face of thousands and thousands of fatalities. Who can survive standing in front of a freight train? Even the British Government must yield to BAE Systems, and similarly you must play nice with volatile power for your own survival.
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spicegal August 25th, 2007 3:36 pm
I find this truly frightening and astonishing. This is not the United States I thought I knew. Although nothing surprises me anymore under the Bush regime. We really do have a dictatorship where anything perceived as dissent is punished. What happens to this country when no one feels safe to speak the truth or criticize the party in power? We're finding out and it's not a pretty picture. Americans better wake up, and wake up fast. It may be too late already.
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How long do you keep trying to awake a nation before you realize,the reason it does not respond is it may already be dead???
When does this tinderbox light up?
Or does it just become an ugly train wreck?
The media, our nightmare--no safety. chaos theory may suggest how this night shift rapidly, phase transition, catching us by surprise: an incident, spreading, something else, a general strike? Or slowly devolving into a totalitarian regime, brutal & corrupt to the vicious end?
Defend whistleblowers:
http://www.nswbc.org/
George Orwell was off by 20 years.
We don't torture people. Only war criminals torture people. We're not war criminals.
We don't terrorize people. Only extremists terrorize people. We're not extremists.
We don't engage in fraud, waste and mismanagement. Only tax-and-spend liberals engage in fraud, waste and mismanagement. We just spend (taxes to actually pay for spending are bad), so we're not tax-and-spend liberals.
We are at war with terrorists in Iraq. We have always been at war with terrorists in Iraq. That's why the terrorists from Iraq attacked our Homeland on 9/11.
And now this late-breaking update ... We are at war with terrorists in Iran. We have always been at war with ...
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
I think we are skirting the obvious here. As in Iran-Contra and the arming of the afghan rebels fighting the Soviets, the CIA uses "on paper" legitimate companies to funnel money for black ops. If you make audits of these companies the missing finances and equipment looks like corruption. This is how you can fund operations without even the flimsiest of Senate oversight. The black budget is approved by legislative committee, but the operations that Congress(even the most loyal of partisans) would never approve of because of treason, impeachment, FBI investigations, etc, are funded by bleeding the finances of the "fronts".
Remember, the strategy of arming sunni insurgents was reported by journalists before it was confirmed by the Defense dept. How long was this strategy really underway?
Poor Donald Vance saw illegal arms sales and reported it as corruption and nefarious collusion with the insurgents? Considering the response he received, holding him incommunicado, it is likely he stumbled upon a black ops and was punished in order to protect it.
spicegal, this abuse of whistle blowers is nothing new and certainly didn't start with Bush. Although he does take every abusive US action to the extreme. But the US has a long and sordid history in this world (and within our own country), with Democratic as well as Republican regimes. It was FDR who said of a vicious dictator "He may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch".
The real goal of the Iraqi invasion was to convince Americans that they need a strong military Presidential candidate, i.e. a neoconservative. Therefore they don't mind if some weapons get diverted to Iraqi nationalists, since every American casualty is further evidence of how much we need miliatry intervention.
This news only confirms that the money that the US congress has allocated for Iraq is NOT FOR IRAQ RECONSTRUCTION BUT FOR IRAQ DESTRUCTION. This is only to increase the pain and suffering of innocent Iraqi men, women, children and the destruction of their properties, Iraqi state and infrastructure, so that the US congress can reallocate more funds towards it.
What this cycle of events express is: the US government and the Congress are spending the US tax-payers dollars for the destruction of the lives of people, their properties, and their freedom.
What I can't understand is why there is no mass movement in the US to stop this carnage? Is it because they are not the ones who are suffering? Or is it because they have to pay the price for starting such a movement???? Then why do you make such a big noice about Darfur?? Is it because it is not the US which is involved in the genocide???? It is inconceivable to see such a state of affairs in the US society. Those few who dared and revealed the US ACTIVITIES IN IRAQ, could be punished by the US government and the military leadership, because the former do not have the active public support, except for few articles and congratulatory remarks. Then it is forgotten and the whistleblowers and their families have to suffer for life. They only become a history. As long as the public "support" is limited to few articles and rhetoric, it is inconceivable to see any change in the evil and murderous behaviour of the US political and military leadership.
We should stop blowing whistles and start blowing minds.
newrule7 August 25th, 2007 4:10 pm
THIS STORY HAS DISAPPEARED FROM THE AP ARCHIVE.
Yahoo had it up on it's homepage for a moment and then it vanished.
Can somebody else try to find it?
I found at a newspaper web site but I could not find it at the AP site either. This on is an annotated version at the link below. I would think the story disappearing from AP would be new in itself. Did any one see it at the AP site?
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070825/BUSINESS/708250348
Zhongman,
I news googeled it earlier and got a hit that it was on Forbes, followed the link to Forbes front page and couldn't find it their (I'm not a big fan of Forbes, to slow unless you're a subscriber, it could have been a link or two away but I didn't have all day to look for it). It's on Democratic Underground and Smirking Chimp as well as here and is getting lots of comments in all three places.
"This is not the United States I thought I knew."
spicegal,
Things are not as they seem, and never have been. Liberty and justice for all is an illusion and always has been. We have been lied to since infancy.
We're not infants anymore. What will we do with our new-found knowledge?
The article was on MSNBC.com this morning for a while. I do not know where it has gone since then?
Re the article --
I couldn't find it either on AP --
or a check of Deborah Hastings on the AP website . . .
I finally pulled up something on it by using Donald Vance by Deborah Hastings in Yahoo search . . .
http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/67299.html
It's retitled -- I did note she has written about government corruption in Iraq going back to an '05 article.
And I guess this is the same story . . .
QUOTE: Former Army Corps of Engineers employee Bunnatine Greenhouse testifies on government contracting practices in Iraq before the Democratic Policy Committee on Capitol Hill, in this June 27, 2005, file photo. (AP Photo/Dennis Cook/FILE)UNQUOTE
Where this testimony faded into oblivion, as well, if I recall correctly???
You also find the Forbes story via this route --
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/24/ap4052736.html
Here's a link to the Yahoo version . . .
http://in.us.biz.yahoo.com/ap/070824/contractor_whistleblowers.html?.v=1
And the StarTribune which is quoting the AP . . .
http://www.startribune.com/722/story/1382037.html
Also Democratic Underground has the story posted . . .
based on AP ....but picked up from Santa Barbara News Press at ---
http://www.newspress.com/Top/Article/article.jsp?Section=NATIONAL&ID=565074540867487317
So -- I couldn't find it with the title --
only with the names.
Seem quite clear that the government and military in up to their eyballs in this themselves.
The Bush Crime syndicate uses he Justice Department mainly to ensure that their crimes go uninvestigated.
Its like having the Sopranos running the local police.
I had the same thought as Ireneus. It's likely some of these poor folks ran across a covert operation and got punished for trying to expose it.
The real problem to my mind is war itself. The brutal logic of war justifies every crime -- torture, murder, robbery, black ops... Once the Pandora's box is opened, every crime becomes legitimate provided it's for the right cause, namely that our side wins. And people with scruples are considered traitors.
Unlike most of the world, most Americans appear comfortable with resort to war and violence to "solve" problems. The US spends as much as the rest of the world on its military. It's tied with Russia as the world's biggest arms exporter. The US has bases in over 100 countries.
It's ironic to me that most Americans also consider themselves Christians. Jesus didn't say "Blessed are the war makers." Or did he?
"Curiouser and curiouser" said the White Rabbit as he watched this article disappear down the Memory Hole . . . when did AP become American Propaganda?
I think this is a load of crap . . .
QUOTE Ireneus: Poor Donald Vance saw illegal arms sales and reported it as corruption and nefarious collusion with the insurgents? Considering the response he received, holding him incommunicado, it is likely he stumbled upon a black ops and was punished in order to protect it.UNQUOTE
We've also got drugs corrupting government and police enforcement -- and deaths/suicides in the military for a good 20 years now when naive people have tried to blow the whiste.
Too many Americans are naive about government corruption which has now led us to full scale fascism.
Additionally, honest government has been substantially demolished -- the bad guys now have more and better lawyers than we do!!
Obviously, we also have bad guys on the Supreme Court and one hell of a lot of work to do if we want to reclaim this nation for democracy?????
Are you saying it must all be a lie? Whatfools is that spelled with a "?"? Hows that old saying go? Only believe half of what your eyes see.... Funny, I don't remember the quote.
OK -- this is second time posting this; lost the first one . . .
In order to find the story, I had to use search "Donald Vance by Deborah Hastings" . . . and that brought up a few sites, all based on AP -- Democratic Underground has it via AP and Santa Barbara News --
And, here's the Yahoo version . . .
http://in.us.biz.yahoo.com/ap/070824/contractor_whistleblowers.html?.v=1
Note it's in their "biz" or financial section --
hmmm . . . ????
And ... here's the really interesting one . . .
http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/67299.html
Hastings has been writing on the corruption in Iraq since 2005???
And, it seems to connect back to the also IGNORED, IMO, testimony by . . .
QUOTE: Former Army Corps of Engineers employee Bunnatine Greenhouse testifies on government contracting practices in Iraq before the Democratic Policy Committee on Capitol Hill, in this June 27, 2005, file photo. (AP Photo/Dennis Cook/FILE)
This was quite a notorious ignoring, if I recall correctly???
So . . . an odd way to find the story; and filed in "biz"????
QUOTE . ..
whatfools August 25th, 2007 9:09 pm
"Curiouser and curiouser" said the White Rabbit as he watched this article disappear down the Memory Hole . . . when did AP become American Propaganda? UNQUOTE
Please see my comments right above this . . .
but also want to comment that for some time now -- decades? -- our press services have changed hands.
If I recall correctly, they are now all in foreign hands????
I haven't looked it up in a long time, but that's as I recall it --
And, some might recall that about 5 years ago?
Helen Thomas quit one of the news gathering agencies because of a questionable new owner. ????
Much of America is now in foreign hands and has been for some time. Michael Moore touched on that a bit in Farhenheit 911 re the Saudis.
PS: Controlling the military has been a rightwing dream since at least Edwin G. Walker . . . who I believe was a General? when JFK fired him for trying to radicalize Army with Nazi propaganda. Walker went on to allegedly being shot by Oswald -- who actually "worked for the CIA on high level assignments and probably also for the FBI."
Walker was a racist who also led the riot at Ole Miss --
he was arrested there. As I recall, the Warren Commission Report ignores all of that about Walker.
Why bother with details like JFK having fired both Dulles and Walker -- ??? And, Cabell, of course, whose brother was Mayor of Dallas???
Dirty rotten whistle blowers, put them all in the tower and bring Rove, Cheney or Rummy for water boarding. Film it for Der Ferror's pleasiure. Don't forget the cherry bombs either. Blast the sneaky truth tellers and then get those scum-bag Common Dreams bloggers.
The further I dig for the truth, the less sure I am as to whether I really want to know the truth.
This is the most distrubing article I have ever read,__ anyplace!
How do we get a Lou Dobbs or a Larry King or someone with power to bring this out. Help me with this, we have to get this out to everyone. There must be a least ONE senator or ranking congress person who will get this ball on the table and keep it rolling. I'm really pissed now.
The article is still under "Top Stories" on CBS News.com
Kathyodat, were you or Rebel farmer able to contact Linda, Kroll? She says she would love to hear from you. She has a website also.
Anyone willing to sit on a flagpole for a year. Seriously, that always gets high level press coverage. Say you won't come down until this matter is brought up by congress, or at least by one of the major news-casters. I might do it if Siouxrose sits up there with me. Or,__ Julia Roberts.
I'm assuming everyone knows that when you are dealing with arms dealers you are dealing with the vilest, foulest, most soulless scum ever to walk the earth. That's right your dealing with the Bush administration and their thugs.
Ok, I thought this had all been made very transparent during the 80's when the bush administration (Reagan was the amiable monkey that gave the speeches) armed Sadam Hussein, Bin Laden, the Iranians and others while bringing drugs into America from Central and South America. Now we are fighting these people he is calling terrorist which he armed in the past. And his CIA has created the biggest opium ring the world has ever known.
This is your brain this is your brain listening for the truth from the MSM, any question?
I've noticed for quite awhile how contemptuous, arrogant, condescending, bullying, and downright rude the Republicans who in charge of everything are. It's like "Don't dare question me, you piece of dirt." They make the Do-Nothing Democrats look good. There's no doubt the U.S. is a fascist nation.
This story was on MSN home page this morning and there were over 700 messages posted in response by angry readers - in one day - then the story was suddenly removed from the home page.
The whole world is watching.
700 messages is a good start. But there needs to be 7,000 or 70,000 messages (I know that is way exaggerating it, but you get my point).
KEM: I talked to Kathy today. I will send her Linda's e-mail address tomorrow. I was really busy today. Will contact tomorrow. Thanks
This whistleblower info needs to stay alive. There was nothing over at DKos today. Or AlterNet. For anyone who has the time, here are some sites to contact Keith Olbermann:
countdown@msnbc.com
KOlbermann@msnbc.com
feedback@msnbc.com
Does anyone know how to reach David Sirota with this article?
Got any other suggestions?
I just checked MSNBC's website, which is my home page on my server. This was the #1 story this morning. Now, less than 24 hours later, it has disappeared. Not even in the archives, or at least, I can't find it.
I have sent MSNBC a letter but I don't expect much. You are all correct, this story needs to be kept alive. I will also try sending an email to Olbermann, and perhaps even Chris Matthews. We may not like the MSM, but we really do have to deal with them if there is any hope of getting this story out to a public that is not reading websites such as this one.
Please, everyone, send a letter to Keith O. or MSNBC, or any of the networks.
I tried to edit my previous post but it is not working. It should read 700 messages is a good start. But there really needs to be 7,000 or 70,000 (I know that is exaggerating it, but you get my point).
It took awhile to find it on MSNBC.
It's in the World News/Conflict in Iraq section.
This should be front page news everywhere.
The kind of story our "free press" only prints on Saturday. The whole system is rotton to the core.
Thank you Common Dreams and Deborah Hastings.
Very seriously, this string is becoming very interesting. I'd bet a lot, that there are some BIG time players sitting up tonight figurng how to kill this from going anyplace. I'm contacting the news people Kane51, thank you for urging everyone.
Jokingly, Afraid I'd be a target on a flagpole. Sorry Siouxrose, guess you'll have to wait till we have a party at the ranch.
Seriusly again, that get together comment you made yesterday was a swell suggestion, we have to plan for it.
Kem,
I too support Siouxrose's suggestion that CD host a forum or that we all meet someplace to discuss ideas in person. Of course, knowing how the "eye in the sky" is watching all of us, they probably would brand us a bunch of rabblerousers and throw us into one of the state-of-the-art concentration camps. And then we can prove right then and there that we indeed live under a dictatorship (I think this already has been proven under several other reasons/events/lies/misguided and false pretenses and fabrications for war/etc).
Yes, keep it alive. One way to do it is have it scrolled on a screen on youtube. And maybe someone reading it. Anyone has the means and skill?
Something like the following maybe:
http://www.youtube.com/v/DB9890c0g_M