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Army Weak: Soldiers Expose Deployment of Unprepared Troops
Army Reserve members facing imminent deployment to Afghanistan are publicly charging that their company is not properly trained or mentally fit for battle. Several members of the Indiana-based 656th Transportation Company, which is due to activate August 22nd, are requesting a Congressional inquiry into the unit's lack of readiness. Alejandro Villatoro, a sergeant in the company, is amongst those coming forward.
Sergeant Villatoro says, "The main reason I am doing this is that I want people to know the lack of training and education our soldiers been receiving, and the focus on the mission is just not adequate to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. All I am asking is more time to reevaluate the training and mental health of these soldiers before sending them into war."
At risk to themselves, these soldiers are going public with firsthand experiences of failures in military training, mental healthcare, and leadership, which many veterans charge are problems endemic to the military. This comes as the Afghanistan War falls under increased scrutiny in the wake of the Wikileaked "War Logs" information.
Untrained and Unsupported
Three members of this company, Sgt. Villatoro and two reservists who wish to remain anonymous (referred to here as Private First Class A and Specialist B), have come forward to expose a crisis.
They tell of inadequate mental healthcare, scant and inappropriate training, and incompetent leadership distrusted by the rank and file.
Troops set to deploy to Afghanistan are given only a rudimentary briefing on Iraq--not Afghanistan. This transportation company has not even been trained on the vehicles and weapons their assignment depends upon, according to these servicemembers. Some mentally ill soldiers are able to keep their diagnoses secret from the military, which is not screening before deployment, while those with known mental illnesses are deployed regardless.
The 656th has been assigned to convoy security operations in Afghanistan. Yet, only 10% of its soldiers qualified on the .50 caliber guns that will be their primary weapon. Most have not learned to operate the heavy Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAPs) vehicles they will be driving in Afghanistan, and Villatoro fears a repeat of his experience invading Iraq in 2003, with gun truck drivers who had never learned to drive a stick shift.
The company's mandatory trainings have been cut from the required 40 hours down to two-hour PowerPoint presentations. Officers told the soldiers that funding cuts were the reason that their recent two-week training at Indiana's Camp Atterbury, scheduled to be run by a privately contracted company, was reduced to some hastily improvised sessions with almost none of the equipment necessary for training.
"We're part-time soldiers, we only train once a month, and when we do actually have trainings that are supposed to last any significant amount of time, we don't do anything that seems useful." says Private A, a 21 year-old reservist.
Training inadequacies go beyond the issue of equipment. "Most of the things we're being taught are being applied specifically from Iraq and from Iraq vets. Afghanistan is a whole different ballgame. The only thing that's the same is IEDs [improvised explosive devices]. The language, the landscape, the situation... everything is different" says Private A.
While U.S. and European diplomats have recently admitted they are floundering in the immensely complex social and political landscape of Afghanistan, Private A describes the level of preparation his company was offered: a single cultural awareness class focused, again, on Iraq rather than Afghanistan. "Everything they mentioned pertained to Iraq, so people were asking, 'Well, in Afghanistan, what's this like?' And they'd say, well, we can't really tell you. Or just make up facts. It's not making me feel any more comfortable about my first time deploying."
"I Fear that My Chain of Command Will Fail Me"
The company has experienced numerous changes in leadership, including the transfer of their first sergeant after the disastrous Camp Atterbury training, where morale plummeted to a new low and one servicemember attempted suicide. Months of changing leadership have created insecurity and instability for members of the company, who have not had time to train together or build trust with the leadership they'll be serving under in Afghanistan.
Even some top military brass acknowledge that poor mental health in the ranks is compounded by failures of leadership. Suicide is at "crisis level" in the military, declared Navy Adm. Mike Mullen in an Aug. 2nd speech to the National Guard Family Program Volunteer Workshop in New Orleans. Mullen said, "A big part of the solution is tied to leadership and how we do the training."
"Without stable enlisted leadership, unit commanders are unable to properly assess the training, mental health, and personal needs of their troops or effectively implement their training plans. This leaves soldiers vulnerable to inadequate training and pre-deployment preparation which could lead to disastrous outcomes on the battlefield." wrote Iraq War veteran Aaron Hughes, in a July letter on behalf of the 656th arguing to delay deployment.
Specialist B, a 20 year-old from Indiana, says "I would like to believe that I'm fully prepared to go to war, but that is just not the case. I don't know what my mission will be, I feel as if I have to defend my very close battle buddies and not my chain of command. I fear that my chain of command will fail me in the ultimate end and as a result my life will be on the line, or one of my buddies' lives will pay the price for the lack of leadership."
Willful Negligence?
Two weeks out from their activation date, Sgt Villatoro explains "It's just not possible to be sufficiently trained in this time frame, let alone broadly enough for not knowing what our mission will be."
"It just doesn't make sense. And it's dangerous. I just don't understand why they'd put us in that much danger, to the point where it doesn't make sense cause we're unprepared for anything." says Private A.
Clearly, the 656th cannot be prepared to successfully complete a mission it has not been trained for. But the question of inadequate training cannot be divorced from context. In every branch of the military, servicemembers continue to question the legitimacy of the mission, and whether they can in good conscience participate in these projects.
Sgt. Villatoro says, "That's the part I struggle with, that we don't have to do this. It's kind of hard to convince a soldier that they do have a choice. That the mission we were given, we believe it's not effective.
"Sit down and look at the effectiveness of trying to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. Sending 30,000 more soldiers with weapons doesn't make sense to me. We don't know anything about the culture, diplomacy; they train us on how to conduct traffic checkpoints."
These servicemembers also express concern about the effects on the Afghan people of deploying unprepared soldiers, untrained on their weaponry and equipment, and many in need of mental health support.
"What I'm afraid is that the rules of engagement might go out the window. That's what happened when I went [to Iraq], they told us that as soon as you feel threatened you're able to shoot. I'm afraid soldiers are going to forget the rules of engagement, go by their emotions, their anger and frustration, and take matters into their own hands." says Sgt. Villatoro.
Unfit for Deployment
Lack of training on guns and vehicles makes soldiers a danger to themselves as well as others. The 656th will be operating top-heavy MRAP vehicles on Afghanistan's difficult terrain, without having practiced driving these rollover-prone trucks even on Indiana's flat roads.
"Whether we run off the road and kill somebody, or it's somebody who snaps... If you don't get mental help, that's what is probably going to happen. And when you don't have prepared soldiers, you're going to have accidents," says Private A.
Many soldiers diagnosed with a mental illness by a civilian doctor don't report their diagnosis to the Army. They fear that they will be either immediately discharged, or deployed without treatment and possibly barred from carrying weapons. Private A was diagnosed as bipolar 3 years ago and has kept this information secret.
"Mental health screening is a little embarrassing on the Army's part-- the fact that they haven't done it," says Private A. "There are several people here who I know of including myself with a diagnosed mental illness and the Army hasn't caught it or done anything about it."
During the Camp Atterbury training, a young servicemember slit his wrists with a number of others present. The military's minimal response didn't include mental health screening for the witnesses, the friends who intervened in the suicide attempt, or other company members shaken by the incident. Villatoro explains that the only mental health screening offered to this unit has been an anonymous online survey.
"The lack of screening could be a good thing to keep our numbers up as a unit," says Private A, who has learned to manage his stability without medication over the last two years, after losing health insurance. "But God forbid something happens to those people or for some reason they can't get medication over there. That could be the last time they see home. Any of those people could turn a gun on us or themselves."
The experiences of these servicemembers reflect the escalating mental health crisis in the military, with rising deployments and redeployments of soldiers suffering from trauma, mental illnesses, and physical wounds. A third of troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan report mental problems, according to a study by the RAND corporation. Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), traumatic brain injury (TBI), military sexual assault (MST), depression and anxiety disorders have carved holes in the ranks.
Army suicide attempts peaked this past June. The Army reports that in the last year, 239 soldiers killed themselves, (including 160 on active duty) and 1,713 people attempted suicide. Studies that include veterans in their statistic show even more horrifying numbers, like a CBS News study of state-by-state data in 2007 that revealed about 120 veteran suicides a week. The military does not acknowledge responsibility for many post-service suicides by veterans, who are two to four times more likely to commit suicide than civilians of the same age.
"It's not enough for Obama to say that it's not weak to ask for help, " says Maggie Martin, an organizer with Iraq Veterans Against the War who works on issues of stopping deployment of soldiers with trauma and mental health needs. "We have to create a community where people know that. What the 656th is doing, in trying to delay the deployment and call attention to these issues-- that is really important in helping soldiers know that they have to stand up for themselves and let people know what's happening,"
Soldiers Fill the Leadership Gap
Alejandro Villatoro enlisted as a high school senior in 2000 for economic reasons. Six months ago, he told his command he was applying for conscientious objector status. He avoided thinking about his participation in the invasion of Iraq in 2003 until entering non-commissioned officer training three years later.
"As a leader, I wanted to take initiative and learn more about the war...It took me about two years to learn and decide what we were doing was ineffective and immoral."
When Sgt. Villatoro learned that his unit was slated to deploy to Afghanistan this fall, he decided to drop the conscientious objector application to go through deployment with his soldiers. "I wanted to be with them to educate them about the wars, what's worth fighting for, what it really is to be a soldier."
"They know my situation, that I wanted to get out and am only doing this for them" says Sgt. Villatoro. In conversations with soldiers in his unit, Villatoro found that many soldiers shared these concerns, and some felt ready to risk speaking out. Even more have indicated their agreement through informal surveys made by Villatoro, but stay quiet for fear of retribution.
Specialist B says "I have too many concerns with the 656th deploying to Afghanistan," echoing the basic sentiment of many others in the company. Private A says "If we can't even get little stuff like trainings scheduled, how are we supposed to nail down a complex mission in Afghanistan?"
Others appear comfortable or even enthusiastic about deployment. Villatoro says, "There's a lack of knowledge; the motivation is money or medals, coming back with ribbons and hoping to have war stories. It's not about the Afghan people, or thinking this will end the war. They don't think that's going to happen."
"You have a bunch of people who want to go just for the experience and for the money. I think that a lot of it is the money. That's the only thing that's keeping me from saying OK, thanks and goodbye; there's not a lot of jobs out there," says Private A, who is from a small farming town and enlisted at 17.
"The only thing that's making me go is that I need the money. When I get back, I want to start school again and didn't have money to do that before. That's essentially the only thing that's keeping me there."
Sgt. Villatoro says he feels a sense of responsibility to help younger soldiers to recognize where they may need more experience to understand of their own lack of preparation.
"You can ask some of these soldiers if they're satisfied with the training so far, and they'll say yes. But you ask, Is it sufficient for you to conduct a mission in Afghanistan? That's where the confusion sets in."
After his own experiences in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Sgt. Villatoro names a key fear of sending out young, unprepared soldiers, many on their first deployment, without clarity about what they are expected to do and how they're going to survive.
"As a young soldier, there's a lot of insecurity," he says. "You're scared, you're not going to remember the rules of engagement or what you're supposed to do. You just want to get through the firefight."
Private A sums it up: "It just doesn't make sense to send an unprepared soldier into battle. It's like brushing your teeth without toothpaste."
Fending For Themselves
After his command denied him an audience (and declined to comment for this article), Sgt. Villatoro and an increasing number of servicemembers from the 656th are looking to elected officials for assistance. Villatoro visited the office of Chicago's Representative Luis Gutierrez to underline the need for soldiers to be properly trained and mentally fit before deploying; Gutierrez has acknowledged the severity of these concerns and is taking the matter under advisement. He was accompanied by allies including veterans of the Navy, Marines, Army and Illinois National Guard, representing service in Vietnam, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq. Sgt Villatoro and several soldiers from his unit met last week to discuss the matter with Senator Dick Durbin (D-Illinois), an advocate for mental healthcare for soldiers and veterans. Durbin's office offered to forward a letter from Sgt Villatoro to the military liason in Congress. Recently, Sgt. Villatoro filed an official request with his office to open a Congressional inquiry into the 656th's unfitness for deployment.
With only a couple weeks left before their activation date, these soldiers are taking multiple courses of action to address this situation. On why he decided to speak out, Private A says, "I just want future soldiers to realize you have to take this stuff into your own hands."
More and more soldiers are stepping up to join Sgt. Villatoro in speaking up about the concealed chaos of the 656th. Their perspectives, politics and hopes span a wide range; they unify behind lack of faith in their company's preparation and leadership, and a common belief that the Afghanistan war is only getting worse.
An Unwinnable Mission
"I ask soldiers: what do you hope, do you really think this last push will end this war? A lot of them say no, because they know they're not there to help the Afghan people." says Sgt. Villatoro.
Private A says "No, absolutely not. There's no reason we're even there. I'm going overseas to fight people where I have no idea that they did anything wrong. We're not even fighting al-Qaeda, we're just over there picking a fight, driving around and seeing who shoots at us, then shooting them. I don't even understand the reason we're over there."
"The mission as a whole in Afghanistan has lost its purpose," says Specialist B. "The government can say whatever and do whatever and get away with it, with very little justice to the American people."
Over 150 soldiers have publicly refused orders or deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan. There is precedent for a unit to successfully delay its deployment, as another National Guard unit and family members managed to do in 2007. Servicemembers, families, allies, and groups like Iraq Veterans Against the War organize resistance both publicly and under the radar. The Under the Hood G.I. Coffeehouse in Killeen, TX held a march to publicize opposition to the deployment of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment (3rd ACR) from Fort Hood, Texas, scheduled for August. Soldiers, military families and civilian organizers demanded an end to the occupations, cancellation of this deployment, and for an end to the 3rd ACR's policy of deploying traumatized soldiers.
"There is a strong history in this country of G.I.s taking a stand, confronting and exposing unjust and illegal military practices," says Sarah Lazare, an Illinois-based organizer with the Civilian-Soldier Alliance, a group of non-veterans supporting and collaborating with servicemembers and veterans who resist orders and wars they view as unjust and illegal. "By courageously speaking out about the problems with their unit, soldiers in the 656th are strengthening the movement of service members taking stands of conscience against military actions they oppose."
Despite his principled objection to the Afghanistan War, Sgt. Villatoro is prepared to deploy with the soldiers in his charge if they are unable to delay the 656th's activation. "I ask myself why I feel so responsible. I put a lot of blame on myself because of mistakes I made as a young naïve soldier, and I don't want to do it again or see other young soldiers make those mistakes."
Sgt. Villatoro says, "This war has never ended for me. I feel bad a lot about the soldiers, how they keep re-enlisting. My war, my fight will never end until every soldier is home."
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51 Comments so far
Show All"Officers told the soldiers that funding cuts were the reason that their recent two-week training at Indiana's Camp Atterbury,"
Talk about misallocation of funds...
Just last week the navy commissioned a brand new attack submarine. I bet the Al Qaeda carrier battle groups will now think twice before approaching US shores.
"I bet the Al Qaeda carrier battle groups will now think twice before approaching US shores."
LOL...so true...very effective against box cutters and IED (S)
It's all about the contracts. It reminds me of an incident when I wrote software for a huge financial clearing house. I was given an assignment by my boss. When I understood the specs, I asked my boss - don't we already have xyz program that does this? My boss told me that one of the VPs had been wined and dined by the vendor and had purchased an expensive and unnecessary mini-computer, and now he had to find something for it to do before the Bd. of Directors raised questions about the expenditure. So I wrote a new version of what we already had.
It's all about the contracts (and getting the oil and minerals on behalf of the corporations). Once the boys and girls in Washington spend so much money on bang bang military stuff, we have to find a use for it through branding enemies and using the hardware and mercenaries, as well as soldiers, to sieze other countrys' resources. The Bd. of Directors here should be the President, the Congress on behalf of the people who elected them. Unfortunately they just had dinner with contractors themselves.
Too bad they have to use our kids as a way to make us care and root for military success. Too bad it's not just wasteful, but also fatal to people, the natural environment and the built environment.
I would like to see someone define what "preparation" would make a soldier fit for the current deployments. It certainly cannot be a two hour PowerPoint, although admittedly that would be an ordeal. But nobody will train the soldiers because they don't care. There are no publishable objectives. Soldiers are there to make us care, to get us to support the arms industry and military spending. A soldier costs little, can be discharged when used up, and there are more where he or she came from. It's all about the contracts.
Joe
Thank goodness President Obama and Press Secretary Gibbs support out troops against drug-sotted professional left fringe elements who wouldn't be satisfied if Dennis Kucinich were president.
I have a couple of problems with this story.
1. It is not possible that there is a National Guard Unit in Indiana that has not been sent to Afghanistan at least once. So there have to be Afghanistan Vets in the Unit.
2. In Viet Nam the soldiers did not go over in a Unit. They had to meet their leaders after they arrived in Nam. Of course there were inept leaders that met a deadly fate from friendly fire...
I keep forgetting if it is Wikileaks or the US government that has put American troops in harm's way and which one has the responsibility for removing them from harm's way.
Wikileaks was more harmful that BP leaks.
(at least by US govt standards) ;-)
And as I've seen in forum thread user comments on the net, there's a supplanted consensus that the USA people involved in any Wikileaks stuff are traitors and should be shot. - "They're putting our troops at risk!"
It's amazing how brainwashed people are.
I applaud these guys for speaking out, but they had better watch their backs. Read this article:
"How the Military Destroys the Lives of Soldiers Who Try to Tell the Truth," by Justine Sherrock on Alternet.
Learn to spell, teabagging cretin.
ThinKing:
Gee, maybe you should enlist & suit up to show them how it's done.
Put up or shut up a$$whole.
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I hate to read this story, mostly because it smells of fear and defeatism.
If men in uniform are publicly complaining in the media, then morale is failing. This is another sign that the U.S. Public is against this longest and most expensive war in our history.
There is a sense that we are being continually lied to, and manipulated by our elected officials. The United States has never had a good reason to occupy Iraq or Afghanistan. Both Bush and Obama have lied to the American People!!!!!!!!
This November, we can defeat ALL CURRENT OFFICE HOLDERS,,,send a strong protest to Washington, DC,,,,,,
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It all stems from 911, which was a criminal action, not a military attack. Of course the government twists that into an attack by Islamist Militants, therefore requiring a military response. Regardless of semantic twisting, it was a criminal action which should have been countered by international police investigations, arrests, charges and trials.
There was never a need to attack two countries. US diplomacy failed in an attempt to persuade the Taliban to surrender Osama bin Laden to the US without providing evidence of his guilt. This is the equivalent to a witness refusing to answer questions before a grand jury.
All post-911 events could have and should have been handled by the State Department, the FBI, and any foreign diplomatic and police agencies willing to cooperate, and just post-911 there would have been many of those.
But, of course, there is that small matter of failed negotiations with the Taliban, at the time the de facto government of Afghanistan, regarding possibly building a pipeline from the Caspian to areas east. The US had supported the Taliban prior to 911 to the tune of some three hundred million dollars. But of course none of this would have had anything to do with the US response to 911.
As a former Vietnam veteran, I remember that even during the 60s, training was weak and getting weaker the more we would be losing in Vietnam. Today, people lose their jobs or don't get to find a job even after graduating. They end up enlisting but some do so with pride and being brainwashed into a "yes, I can" attitude even if they aren't really prepared to fight let alone deal with PTSD that wars will inevitably leave them with, injured or otherwise. I believe that poor training is done on purpose so that the soldiers will trained far enough to just keep fighting. The biggest fear that government and some of the vested business interests have is that if soldiers are well-trained into fighting PTSD, then the biggest losers will be the drug companies, insurance companies, and most of all the politicians themselves who will be unable to overcome strong voices from soldiers speaking with clear experiences from war against war. Soldiers like Bradley Manning wouldn't be having their lives ruined either just for being a brave military whistle blower (http://www.alternet.org/world/147778). They want soldiers to be pitied so that others will look at their status as the need to fight endlessly and pass this madness to other generations. Well it worked from Vietnam to Iraq and Afghanistan so far.
It must also be pointed out that our military is being privatized what with more contractors than soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan each. The worst thing that can happen is if people here at home hear about the bad news of what their soldiers went through and want to serve but they want to make money and/or feel too high and mighty about themselves, companies like Blackwater are ready to swoop in and sign them up to help keep the war complex intact albeit privatized as much as possible.
Thank you for this post Mr. Verez. My best friend (U.S.M.C.) was in the thick of things in Vietnam. He used to say, "You might be mistaking me for someone who gives a shit."
But, like you, he did. I learned more Truth about Vietnam than many veterans, to say nothing about the vast majority of civilians.
The Enemy will do everything in their power to make you fear them (because they fear you); however, it is this demonstrated courage to speak out that will bring about change. A coward writing a letter to those with power will either be disregarded - or, in some instances, these clueless 'big people' may share a hearty laugh at such obstinacy.
I have faith in our Vietnam Vets, our young people who must now find a way beyond the Age of Narcissism, and the sage bloggers who post on this site and others like them.
It is most interesting that people who stand up and speak the truth are labeled as somehow being less than patriotic.
The Budget Choppers slashed their way through our troops in Germany, in the 1970s. Many, if not most of the senior NCOs were RIFted (Reduction in Force) ostensibly to save money. They were, after all, nearing retirement.
Many of these soldiers stayed in Germany. I remember one mechanic I patronized, who I thought to be German. It took a couple visits to realize he was as much of an American as I.
I was a Marine too when I served but it wasn't until I lost my limbs in a landmine blast that I began to learn the true lessons of war. Without training the soldiers out of PTSD, the burden would fall on my wife, my family, her family, and our friends to pull me out of my mental madness. It took years and even last year, I was ailing and it all traced back to my lingering PTSD I thought I had gotten over.
Speaking of choppers, did you get to read today's article about there not being enough choppers for flood relief in Pakistan yet more for wars? It must be more profitable to make money killing from the sky instead of helping from the sky. Thanks for telling me about the Germans. I would presume that they are much better than most Americans today. They have come a long ways in the past 65 years or at least I think they have.
You represent the best of America, and humanity in general. Keep up the good fight. We need you.
My take on the Germans is this: We (the USA) was fortunate at the end of WWII to have real leaders, people concerned about America and our place in the world.
Generals of the Army George Marshall and Omar Bradley, as well as others, were exceptional, certainly including General of the Army and later President, Eisenhower.
Harry Truman became president upon the death of FDR. He is often criticized for various decisions, but he did not sell out the United States to the Corporatists.
Germany was set up basically according to our American Ideal. Because of these events, and our massive help in their Reconstruction, they became a lot like us.
Jumping ahead, I was in Germany in 1966, after the assassination of JFK. Kennedy, at that time was as popular in Germany as Bismarck. They probably named more infrastructures after John Kennedy than we did. I remember a Kennedy Brücke (bridge) in Frankfurt.
In my view, the assassination of JFK was a coup d'état by the Military-Industrial Complex thugs, whom President Eisenhower had warned us about in his farewell address. The so-called JFK murder investigation was a joke; I guess George Herbert Walker Bush didn't want to investigate himself.
America changed. Germany became like the America I knew as a young man, a good country dedicated to a common cause.
After the assassination, America gradually turned into the old Fascist Germany. Talk about a reversal. Perhaps it was because many the old Nazis left Germany (the war-savvy guys were recruited by us, to help us learn their tricks (correction: 'To help keep us safe').
In conclusion, if you want to see how Germany felt in the 1930s, look around.
If you want to live in America, go to Germany.
I have a young distant friend who went to Germany. In a letter she wrote to my wife and me, she told us that the Germans were so nice that she couldn't even think of asking them about the 1930s. Capitalism exists in Germany but it is of the regulated type. The way she described it here on the forums a few months back, it's more like 1970s capitalism in the US. I'm not sure that I can go out of the country other than into Mexico since I live in El Paso.
None of us should even have to consider going to Germany, or anywhere else for that matter. The fact that the United States has been destroyed by these evil bastards will live on in the History of Villainy.
All of North America should be a place no one would ever want to leave, except to travel.
These same cult of greedy, immoral assholes also destroyed Mexico.
Our Founding Fathers recognized that what they founded was an 'experiment' - they were all too familiar with history, and history's parallels to what we now face.
By the way, I am not of German descent.
I recall an interesting comment from a Service Club gal, who had travelled extensively in Europe and elsewhere.
"I guess I prefer Germany. The thing about Germany is that you always know where you stand."
That comment has stuck in the cobwebs of my mind for these many years.
I AM IN THE 656TC AND NONE OF THIS IS TRUE..... WE ARE FULLY CAPABLE OF COMPLETING THIS MISSION. MAN UP AND USE YOUR CHAIN OF COMMAND!!!!!
What is the mission?
Sir, you need some serious help. I used to think foolishly like that until I lost my limbs in Vietnam. Do you know what war really costs in addition to money? Why don't you do yourself and get your colleagues to do themselves and this country a serious favor and find out? Withdraw and make peace. You are only prolonging the loss and putting off the inevitable by deluding yourself like that. Think about your parents, your wife, kids, friends, etc... and what it will cost them whether you come back dead or alive but with PTSD. If you really are who you say you are, then be a real hero and get out of your denial mode. You have a lot to learn young soldier !
I repeat, what's the mission?
Joe
I agree that these guys are no heroes - but they are CHILDREN !!! They are incapable of making rational adult decisions - humans are not fully mature, either physically, emotionally, or psychologically until they are at least 25 years old. They have been fed propaganda for all of their lives, and know little else - that is how it was for the German soldiers under Hitler, and that is the same situation now. I agree that war crimes - heinous atrocities - are being committed, and that soldiers sent heavily armed to fight defenseless indigenous peoples - without their own military to protect them - provides for deadly and injust circumstances. But blaming the children is not the place to start. They are brainwashed, and can no more 'voluntarily participate' than that poor Canadian kid on trial now. We are all a product of our environment - and the US is the most violent, repressive, narrow-minded elitist country on this earth. Americans THINK they are the new Master Race - and kids buy into this. It is extremely difficult for parents and teachers to fight the glitzy 24/7 propaganda funded by corporate fiends - and teenage kids are rebellious, trying to separate themselves from their parents and build their own identity. The outcome is inevitable - few are able to resist. That is why the age of enlistment has never been raised to 25 - something I've been advocating ever since Vietnam. So please don't blame the kids. Whatever crimes they commit, the blood is on the hands of those who send them into wars of aggression - a war crime.
I am painfully aware of the problem with those older 'gung-ho' types - and for a very long time, I did keep track of the age - and nationality - of US war dead. (At the time, I was cheering for every one of them - one less idiot-borg on the planet - I've since become a bit more compassionate.) Unfortunately, even the 'older' soldiers mostly grew up under fascism - brought to us all under the Reagan administration (I considered him a senile puppet, at the time - the real power was obviously elsewhere). That 40-year-old was only 10 when the fascists started their terrible march into American history - again.
I know full well how German boys (and girls) were affected by Hitler and his propaganda - they were among the most dedicated (and vicious) killers towards the end of the war. Many kept their Nazi idealism under their hats after the war, and never admitted the Nazis were wrong. Same problem in this country - but who has been countering the propaganda - who tried to stop the brainwashing of soldiers (to increase their kill-ratio)? It's an ugly problem to deracinate fascism once it takes hold in a country, and fascists have been a large chunk of the American population all along. (Smedley Butler put a crimp in their plans, back before my day.)
Yes, I for one remember Vietnam. I had to cope with the human wreckage of that ghastly catastrophe - you know what it's like to have a friend eat a bullet, or blubber helplessly on your shoulder, even 10 years down the line? That's why I cried when I realized this country was going to attack Afghanistan - and again with Iraq. I knew what they would do to the poor innocent people on the receiving end of 'American benevolence' - both innocent countries with no military to defend them. It was a horror too unthinkable to imagine - and I've seen a lot in my life - but I really did cry. I couldn't believe the madness around me, and was left in shock for a very long time. Finally, the answer to my life-long question: how could the 'civlized' German people committ such heinous atrocities - cheering, no less. Now the cheering was in MY country - and for many, it still goes on.
I just talked to someone yesterday about going back into 'the trenches' - to help with the PSTD and TBI victims. Most of them were conned - most of them never even knew about Vietnam, except from movies. Their parents didn't talk about it - and Reagan told them they didn't have to. No regrets. Nothing learned. It's taken me a long time to see them as 'victims' - but most important, we must reconcile them if we want this madness to ever end. They have to tell their children and families the truth - no matter what - just as my parents did after WWII.
Sounds like we're on the same page - and face similar challenges. It really takes 'deprogramming' - and it's not easy, nor is it always successful. Definitely frustrating, considering what we know about what's going to happen to these gung-ho nitwits, no matter their age. But we can't give up - we're the only hope they, or future generations, will ever have.
Of course, you're right. So I'm being pragmatic. But the Nazis mustered old men, as well as children, at the end. As for me - I think Congress should go first, in any war they fund. Preferably infantry.
I have proposed a 50 / 50 draft. The A1 classification goes to those over 50 years old who make over $50,000 per year. But maybe that money figure is too low. It would include many hard-working honest people. What about 50 /250? That way most Senators and Congresspeople would be A1.
Joe
"A soldier costs little..." - I keep reading that it costs about a million dollars to deploy a soldier to Afghanistan - where is all that money going??? Or is this just BS (from several different outlets) repeating itself?
Thank you!
I had missed that article. War is indeed a racket. Do you think the suits and humvees are more to protect the soldiers or more to provide a really lucrative market for the connected suppliers? I do not really know.
Joe
One article reported that the price of gasoline to fill the generators to give the troops air conditioning at a FOB (forward operating base)was $400 per gallon. Just about all that other convenient stuff provided by the private contractors is just as outrageously over priced. That's why it is so incredibly expensive. All Hail the Private Contractors!! All Hail the Free Market crooks!!
I meant a soldier's salary, food, clothing, training and benefits are little compared with that of a mercenary's salary or the cost of military hardware. If each soldier is costing the military one million dollars per year, then it is a good question where the money is going. But it is a also a good guess that whoever is getting the markups likes to keep the soldiers coming.
Joe
JW Verez- I too survived the Viet Nam route with only a bad limp. Being in the Light Infantry means you wind up in places that you didn't really want to be, but to be blunt you take a weird pride in killing men from the other side because you have been properly endoctrinated. After my hitch was up, I was appalled when I was assigned an Iowa Infantry Battalian for the mandatory two weeks of summer training. None of them knew how to time or head space a Browning M2 fifty caliber machine gun. It's been around since WWII and still in use in Iraq and Afghanistan. I was even more astounded when they managed to fill a squad tent full of beer for those week end warriors and they were all drunk every night. When I read that they had been activated to go to Viet Nam in 1969, the same thing happened as with this modern day reserve oufit; no body wanted to go. As much as things change, some things are the same.
I take no pride in who I ended up killing when I served. Exposure to the battlefields was enough to start changing me from "brainwashed patriotic" to "what am I doing here" ? But it was only after I lost my limbs that I began to hate myself for what I did. The hard part was not taking care of my physical wounds. It was the mental wounds that hurt the most and the pain spread to my wife, family, and friends. The true courage of a soldier starts when he or she thinks beyond following orders and stands up to being played for a pawn by the pols.
Okay everyone while I understand deployment is a scary thing and I believe these brave men and women should be properly trained, Lets give credit where credit is due. These soldiers are defending our rights, fighting to keep us safe, yet everyone wants to play lets bash a soldier game. How insane is that. While you sit on your couch, drinking your beer, safe and sound there are hundreds of thousands of men and women living in absolute discomfort with families that go to bed every night in fear of a knock at the door... Shut up already. I do not care if you are for war or against it but you are simply UN AMERICAN if you do not support the men and women that volunteer to serve our country and do whatever it takes to come home safe. I am not saying there aren't a few bad apples but as you said before some of these soldiers are still children so cut them some slack when it comes to split second decisions... How do you know what you would do if you were in there shoes? So if you have never worn them please stop acting as if you have a clue as to what they should or shouldn't do. You need to thank God that they aren't cowards and aren't going to stand by and contemplate and get themselves or others in their unit killed. As far as the suicide numbers presented in one of the posts I would be curious on how many of them were by soldiers getting ready for deployment, how many of them were serious attempts or simply a way to get out of deployment... I happen to know a solider that is part of this unit and I feel shamed for him and his family to have to read all of this and go through what will come next. He doesn't sit and complain about his job or his orders he does what he is needs to do and does it to the best of his ability. No soldier can ever be truly prepared for a mission as they have no crystal ball to look into and be able to see what exactly is in store for them... This is war we are talking about, our enemies are not going to give our soldiers written agendas. Duh...