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Exit Strategies for Afghanistan and Iraq
It's been a long winter for the peace movement. Waiting for Obama has proved fruitless. The Great Recession has strengthened Wall Street and diverted attention from the wars. The debate over health care still won't go away and has demoralized progressive advocates. Given a chance to exit from Afghanistan when the Karzai election proved to be stolen, President Obama escalated anyway, but also promised to "begin" exiting almost before an opposition could mobilize at home.
Rep. Dennis Kucinich will step into the crosswinds this week and force the House of Representatives to wake up, pay attention, and vote up or down on the Afghanistan war.
The Kucinich initiative at least will reveal where Congress stands. Whether it will energize the peace movement for upcoming March protests or beyond is unpredictable.
Kucinich, interviewed along with other members of Congress by The Nation last week, is introducing a so-called privileged resolution requiring the House to hold a three-hour debate this coming Wednesday, followed by a vote on the Afghanistan war.
The vote is expected to authorize the war, but passage of Kucinich's initiative would require a withdrawal in thirty days. If the president rejected such a decision, the withdrawal would be delayed until the end of 2010, nine months from now.
"It's time to force a debate," Kucinich says. "It's not enough to slow-walk the end of the war." On Friday Kucinich had 17 co-sponsors for his measure.
The Kucinich bill is based on the 1973 War Powers Act, passed during the upsurge of Congressional opposition to the unilateral war-making of the executive branch during the Richard Nixon era. The War Powers Act, strongly opposed by Bush-era officials including Dick Cheney and John Yoo, was based on Article I, Section 8, of the federal constitution which, according to James Madison, "expressly vested" the power to "declare" war in Congress.
According to Gary Wills' history in Bomb Power, the War Powers legislation actually diluted Congressional authority by making declaration of war a joint exercise with the White House. Nonetheless, the symbolic threat to presidential prerogative inflamed Cheney into describing it as a congressional usurpation. Yoo, the author of the notorious torture memos in the Bush administration, went so far as to argue that "declare" in the 18th century meant simply to "recognize[d] a state of affairs."
The Kucinich measure seeks to remind Congress of the peak progressive moment when, in tandem with a vast anti-war movement in the streets, Richard Nixon was forced to resign and the Vietnam War was terminated. A decade later, Congress again would play a key role in the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan era.
But Wednesday's vote may be a measure of how much Congress has continued to surrender its war-making prerogative to the administration. Many liberal Democrats interviewed for this article expressed discomfort or exasperation towards the Kucinich measure, claiming that it will be overwhelmingly defeated and weaken efforts this spring to introduce anti-war amendments during debate on the war budget.
In one member's view, the Kucinich proposal represents "complete and total withdrawal now," which most in Congress refuse to support. A more common complaint, voiced in a memo from Peace Action, is that "some of our allies on the Hill are concerned that the relatively low amount votes for this resolution may make us look weak."
Another member said, "You can't stop Dennis, he does this all the time, he squeezes members who aren't consulted." Another, who intends to vote for the Kucinich proposal despite having had no input, said bluntly, "A shitty vote has consequences."
Meanwhile, on Afghanistan, the Congressional Progressive Caucus is in disarray. Leadership on Afghanistan issues has been passed to Rep. Mike Honda, a progressive Democrat from San Jose, who last year circulated a dramatic exit proposal that would flip US Afghan spending from 80 percent military to 80 percent civilian. Honda's staff did not return calls from The Nation requesting further information.
Progressive Caucus co-chair Lynne Woolsey is up in arms against progressive Democrats who are supporting Marcy Winograd, an anti-war citizen-candidate running against hawkish Rep. Jane Harman in the South Bay area of Los Angeles. Woolsey now refuses to work with "outside groups" such as Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) who are backing Winograd's primary bid. Woolsey also opposed last year's forums on Afghanistan sponsored by Democrats including Honda and CPC co-chair Raul Grijalva. Woolsey simply says the US shouldn't be in Afghanistan, but nothing more, which leaves her isolated from peace groups and leaves her own colleagues searching for strategies.
In addition, the once strong Out of Iraq Caucus, with over 70 members, appears dormant or dissolved, despite the growing threats to Obama's plan for a phased withdrawal of all troops from Iraq by 2012.
Just ahead are debates over the $33 billion funding request for Obama's troop escalation, and the $159 billion for Afghanistan and Iraq contained in the proposed military budget. Despite significant opposition among Democrats to the president's escalation proposal, it is highly unlikely that the funds will be turned down now that American troops have been dispatched. Whether a vote will be taken on Rep. Barbara Lee's proposal to block the $33 billion in funding is unclear at the moment. But sizeable opposition is expected to rally around exit strategy measures being jointly contemplated by Rep. Jim McGovern and Sen. Russ Feingold this spring.
Despite White House opposition, McGovern was able to win support from a majority of Democrats last year for his resolution calling on the Pentagon to report an Afghanistan exit strategy by year's end. With the president having committed to an exit strategy by beginning troop withdrawals by summer 2011, McGovern's measure might gain greater traction. He told The Nation he will introduce a revised version of the exit strategy resolution in the coming weeks.
Feingold's public thinking on Afghanistan hasn't changed since December when he opposed the president's escalation, according to the Wisconsin senator's staff. Feingold previously has proposed a "flexible timetable for reducing our troop levels" and opposed the defense appropriations bill because of its inclusion of Afghanistan funding.
Feingold and McGovern are expected soon to cooperate in proposing an exit strategy that contains a timetable for troop reductions. Defining such an exit plan quickly is key to the Administration's policy for Afghanistan, since the negotiated departure of US troops won't happen without one. And most observers of Afghanistan say the Taliban cannot be drawn into a peace process or political negotiations without a concrete assurance that the military occupation will end and US/NATO/USAF troops will be withdrawn or replaced by peacekeepers.
Secret talks with the Taliban have intensified since spring 2009, the respected Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid wrote recently in the New York Review of Books. Rashid is an official adviser to the US diplomatic team led by Richard Holbrooke. In a recent essay he floats a negotiating scenario which seems quasi-official and, of course, is officially deniable. His seven-point proposal includes lifting current sanctions on Taliban leaders so that talks can occur in a neutral venue, formation of a legal Taliban political party in Afghanistan, and a seriously-funded "reconciliation body" to create security for returning Taliban members to Afghanistan.
Rashid's proposal implies, but does not include, a US troop withdrawal, the key condition demanded by the Taliban in exchange for starting all-party talks. It is possible that Obama's pledge to "begin" withdrawing in 2011 is an initial signal of the intention the insurgents want to hear.
In that case, the McGovern and Feingold initiatives can be crucial to moving the US, Afghan and Taliban positions closer to a formula for reconciliation or, more likely, coexistence. The only alternative is the perpetuation of the neoconservatives' Long War scenario, at trillions of dollars in budget expenditures, and/or an outbreak of civil war in Afghanistan.
Whether Congress has the backbone seems to depend on whether there is the force of public opinion to implant one. The previous experiences of Vietnam, Central America and Iraq have shaped a skeptical mood within that public, but it is not sufficiently angry yet to force the end of the war. A deepening battlefield quagmire will only cement that skepticism, but Congress has to channel the public mood into political impact.
Congress's inherent problem is its failure to collaborate with grassroots opinion in fostering public antiwar sentiment. Instead, as with the Kucinich measure, at most the members of Congress expect activists to endorse, support, leaflet, bird-dog, and light up the phone lines to pressure other members to vote their way. Too often they fail to use their enormous resources to bring attention and public engagement to issues not (yet) arousing public opinion or media interest.
Tellingly, the CIA's secret war in Pakistan, which includes the escalation of drone attacks, has drawn no meaningful Congressional opposition. The likely reason is that, with the exception of reports by Jane Mayer in The New Yorker, the casualties and costs of the drone war have been hidden from the American public.
The re-emergence of a coherent peace movement could help push the McGovern and Feingold measures forward, and also mount pressure for hearings on the secret war before it engulfs Pakistan.
The protests planned nationwide in March will revive needed attention to Afghanistan in many local areas around the country. But on the national level, the demise of United for Peace and Justice leaves a vacuum which narrow ideological groups are unable to fill. The dispersal of protest energies towards other issues--Wall Street bailouts, health care, Copenhagen, marriage equality--weakens any possibility of a unified focus around Afghanistan.
Despite these organizational obstacles, the ongoing wars will inflict serious political and moral consequences. Without a greater role by the organized peace movement, large numbers of voters will become passive, or drop away, during the forthcoming congressional elections and the next presidential one. The Obama administration has never treated the peace constituency as one worth cultivating, though the Iraq War was the critical issue difference in the primaries and general elections in 2006 and 2008. In turn, the peace constituency has never turned into a permanent, organized, well-funded lobbying force in Washington--except for the brief flare-ups like those of MoveOn in the 2004-06 cycle.
As a result, everything may depend on whether popular perception is that Obama and the Democrats have turned promises of peace into action. At the moment, such potential support is being drained into despair. Congress and Obama will have to work to bring it back.
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Show AllHow typical of Hayden talking about exit strategies while Obama is engaged in troop deployments as we speak.
Tom meet Chris Hedges a authentic memeber of the peace movement:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/08-2
We all know that the military industrial media complex learned something from the Viet Nam occupation, even if nobody else did...endless occupation/war equals endless revenue stream.
Obama is the point man hired to assure that the miltary industrial media complex's revenue stream never ends.
Kucinich's actions demand that Americans who say they are opposed to the Ir-Af-Pak occupation now fish or cut bait...quit supporting Obama and other war mongers.
Actually, the revenue stream from Vietnam and Apollo dried up about the same time, throwing a lot of people out of work. The real incentive in this system is to take as much money out as fast as possible for as long as possible, but especially to build up to a crash. The war funding will stop, but the entire US economy is going with it.
I think it was Gore vidal who said "Tom Hayden is the kind of politician that gives opportunism a bad name."
Exactly, in another item here I pasted a link to an article in the Nation where he enthusiastically endorsed Obama in Jan 2008. Which ever way the wind blows just like Thomas Friedman and Christopher Hitchens.
The resolution will fail. It will fail HARD. In fact, it won't even be considered.
Obama, like bush (I honestly can't tell them apart anymore), has no concern whatsoever for what the people want. His intention is to wage war. Legality and humanity are insignificant. All that matters is dollars and corporate interest. The "war" will only end in one of 2 ways, either when corporate interest in the conflict dwindles, or our government is overthrown/defeated. Until one of those events occurs, it will continue.
I admire Kucinich for his efforts, but they are futile.
Even if the Ir-Af-Pak occupation ends, Obama and the military industrial media complex will find other occupations or wars to dump US taxpayers' money into.
On the flipside there are 3,4 hot spots in Africa where ethnic cleansing can only be stopped by US military intervention. Its not bad to be the worlds police, just make sure your chasing the right criminals.
(Or you can tell me a genocide can be stopped with embargo's...)
The US military is not trained to make anyplace better, and no other US organizations have much capability to improve the situation in these places. Perhaps there are nations whose militaries are up to dealing with ethnic cleansing, but historically the US just adds to it. I agree embargoes rarely work for the better, and often for the worse.
- the neoconservatives' Long War -
I suggest once again that Progressives stop using MIC-terms.
Long War? It's DAFT, I tell you again.
Defense against Future Terrorism.
I suggest that Progressives notice that Dimocrats are being as deliberately useless as possible.
The anti-wars movements go in a hundred directions at once. Withdraw from Afghanistan!
We shouldn't be there but I won't do anything! (Progressive Caucus co-chair Lynne Woolsey).
Withdraw from Iraq! From Pakistan!
I suggest yet again that we roll up all the wars into one target. Instead of trying to end 3 wars, 4 wars, more wars, end the insane, global and forever DAFT war. The only war.
I suggest that we bring Public Law 107-40 into the light, for that flaw of a law is the cause of our troubles.
President Obama said "Just days after 9/11, Congress authorized the use of force against al Qaeda and those who harbored them -- an authorization that continues to this day."
The Progressive movements will continue to be useless and ineffective as long as they fight against phantoms, against wars that don't exist.
There is no 'Afghanistan War' - not in Afghanistan, not in Pakistan.
What Mr. K. is doing will earn him points toward his re-re-re-re-re-re-re election, but it is ridiculously insipid and stupid, besides.
There is only the war against future terrorists (current enemies, al-Qaeda and the Taliban)*
* but any President can add new enemies to the list - what's to stop him/her, Congress?
"an authorization that continues to this day". Why do Dimocrats run around like headless chickens when they could be taking this authorization away, and saving the day!?
Meanwhile, on Afghanistan, the Congressional Progressive Caucus is in disarray.
Oh, big surprise! The only exit strategy for this country is the grave.
The democrats are more than willing to risk the wrath of their small progressive wing and continue the Bush war policies because they think this makes them look like real americans. Both parties (with only one or two exemptions) support the American Empire abroad and the killing of untold thousands of innocents to make the world safer for corporations.
Dump the tea party-ers in the bay; let the coffee drinkers forever wax poetic into the dark hours of the night--true imbibers will need to be beware of leaders as well as parking meters-- (from Obama, to Hayden, to Bush... the fight is not with them, though.)
The oil crowd wants to stay in Iraq, the gas pipeline folks love Afghanistan, Wall Street makes a killing by screwing you and me, ditto the insurance folks. Our oligarchical friends will never stop their nefarious ways. Quite a mess we have on our hands.
Fight the guerilla way. Stop paying taxes, don't buy anything you don't absolutely need, drive as little as possible and stop flying. Live simply so that others can simply live.
Well said jareilly !
Well my post elucidating on Margolis'(?) quote of Mullah Omar disappeared.
Omar said he is willing to negotiate peace now as long as the negotiations in and of themselves do not extend the foreigners presence in Afghanistan.
This unlike Haydens dated information, along with Karzai's continuous plea for peace negotiations( even though the Taliban killed his father)
clearly shows what a war monger Obomber is.
Heck of a Job Barry!
Hi Tom, Long time no see. I was there in a small SDS demonstration back in '64 in front of the University of Michigan Student Union to try to get the employees a nickel an hour raise...
How about just getting the fuckk out of Afghanistan and Iraq right now...
Hurray! Thank you for keeping your values unlike TH. The problem with hierarchical leadership in once people enjoy being a leader in even a radical organization like SDS they enjoy the taste of power and then are more easily coopted by the system that offers even bigger power like a chance to be a Dim party politician. :(
"Your ideas are terrifying and your hearts are faint. Your acts of pity and cruelty are absurd, committed with no calm, as if they were irresistible. Finally, you fear blood, more and more. Blood all the time." –(Paul Valéry)
Another piece of puffery and fluff from ineffectual Demo-centric charlatan and Nation Magazine drone,Tom Hayden. Debating American wars in the U.S Congress is a vile oxymoron, comical were it not so cynical and macabre. Kucinich floats yet another masturbatory tease and divergence for those who insist on not understanding America. All thinking that remains mired in or referenced by any belief in the U.S. Congress is inescapably in bad faith. There is no, nor can there be an 'exit strategy' in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else the American war virus lodges itself. To even entertain that belief is ridiculous. As poster Mordechai Shiblikov astutely perceived on this thread: "There is no exit strategy except the grave."
We offer this extended version of a redacted posting which originally appeared on this blog under the screen name “Amfortas Wound” written by our friend and colleague Jill Bains before she returned with family to their home in South East Asia. We post it here as it seems timely.
– (Vashkar and Kim Nguyen, San Francisco/Los Angeles)
"President Obama is a master at structuring his rhetoric to give the appearance of his having a readymade consensus to justify his proposals." –(SACVET).
–In America, Obama does have a "ready made" consensus: A built in "24/7" boilerplate ‘consensus’ for war. But it is a unique meta 'consensus' that is severed from representative politics.This unanimity has nothing at all to do with a human consensus based on or determined by the vagaries of political will to effect it differently. Because of this brutal foregone conclusion, the attendant, justifying rhetoric is graceless and obscene, since it is clearly superfluous and cynical. It succeeds only in insulting one’s intelligence.
This is true despite the purported 'fact' that 55% of Americans oppose the Afghan war. The grim truth here is that even if 99% of Americans opposed war, the present reality of 'all war, all the time' would remain unchanged. This automaton will continue to metastasize exponentially in malignancy for it is an organic, natural function of the very existence of America itself. War is America's efflorescence, its very beatification, its ontological justification:They are mutually self constitutive entities, one of the other
What we are seeing (as displayed in Obama's nightmarish speech) is a totalitarianism derived from the defeat of 'facts'–or where the future no longer appears to exist, because it is all happening now. The future– as a discrete possibility distinct from the present– is negated, as it is consumed in advance, literally incarnated in the present.
Even when it can be said America is 'not at war,' it will actually be most at war. The future-–present is a continuum of facts unmoored from contingency and inured from the ability of politics to effect an outcome which would offer any differentiation. Reality becomes a 'hysterical' reality–something that is pathologized as the norm of an 'official' meta depravity. The surreal, denatured quality of what passes for politics in America reflects the hysteric stasis of a distinction without difference or even a possibility of such.
The only interesting thing here is why Obama even attempts to–in your words–"justify his proposals." There is no longer a need for oratorical flourishes, 'debates,' or offering up arguments aiming to convince; nor is there a need to serve as a 'critical audience' to this Grand Guignol. Obama becomes a kind of robotic form, an eerie, counter factual redundancy strangely de-realized in the totality of the fascist moment.
"It is not to be thought that the life of darkness is sunk in misery and lost as if in sorrowing. There is no sorrowing. For sorrow is a thing that is swallowed up in death, and death and dying are the very life of the darkness." –(Jacob Boehme)
War, for America exists outside of it's politics, as it is axiomatic there are no 'real' politics in America. Nor can there be as long as there remains any allegiance at all to existing American political institutions or to America itself.
It would be enough that synthetic metallic sounds emerge from a black box severed even from the representation of image. The human form–the 'real' Obama presence will come to be seen as a persistent, lingering phantasm, a cryogenic atavism. Nothing more than a ghostly, backlit hologrammatic projection reflected in the hall of mirrors of an endless present.
War in America is now part of its very reflexive 'neurology'–little more than a rapacious nerval twitch of organism, a spasmodic, automatized episode of a brutal and giant insect. –(Jill Bains)
Posted by Kim Nguyen.
Sioux Rose
KIM: Thank you for the thought-provoking post. If you are in contact with Jill, please tell her that her profound posts are missed; and that I hope she's enjoying her changed location.
Sioux Rose,
Thank you for your kind words. Jill has no internet connection where they live in Northern Laos and only occasionally emails when she is working in North Vietnam from the hospital's computers. There was a recent outbreak (now controlled) of a strain of the Avian virus, in areas where there were none before. The government flies her and other doctors into some remote areas. She no longer posts and seems busy with a new interest in epidemiology. She is also pregnant with her second child.
We will send on your personal greetings when she writes or contacts us again at an address where e mail can be received. I'm sure she will remember you and it will make her happy.
Curiously, the "Common Dreams" site, was commendably, the only political blog she participated on that did not ban her posting outright. On all the others, anyone to the left of Rham Emmanuel was deemed a 'troll' by the Democratic/fascist party Progressive toadies and site admins. On cursory reading, this site has happily, for the most part, disabused itself of that unbecoming and inexcusable state of mind.
When we happen on occasion to read this blog your inimitable and generous comments are always read for what we can only say is a passionate humanity.
warm regards, in solidarity,
Kim and Vashkar Nguyen.
Thanks for sharing this.
If you happen to check back to these comments and see this, please extend this Obedient Servant's warmest regards to Ms. Bains/Amfortas' Wound.
Obedient Servant,
Coupling artistry, high style and an indefatigable humor laced with steely insight, your postings alone make the "Common Dreams" site a must read. We will certainly pass on your regards to Jill. Many and sincere thanks.
We see here, going over her filed and saved archives that she appropriately delegated your work its own 'folder.' Sioux Rose, along with a few others, also has a designated folder. Stay well and keep the masterpieces coming as the spirit moves.
Warmest regards,
-Vashkar.
Defense Sec'y Robert Gates: "Let's not get ahead of ourselves." No, "Let's get a head on ourselves."
No one seems to be talking about the war to come--Iran. That should be added to the list of protests.
The Plum LineGreg Sargent's blog
Poll: Obama Better Than Bush — On National Security And Terrorism
Striking findings buried in the new Democracy Corps poll:
When it comes to national security, do you think President Obama is doing better, worse, or about the same as President George W. Bush?
Total better: 39
Total worse: 31
And:
When it comes to combating terrorism and handling terrorism suspects, do you think President Obama is doing better, worse, or about the same as President George W. Bush?
Total better: 38
Total worse: 31
So Obama is rated better than Bush on national security and terrorism and the handling of terror suspects — despite the fact that the Cheneyites have been arguing for months that by undoing Bush policies, Obama has made us less safe.
The poll also finds that Obama retains a high 58% approval rating on national security and 55% on terrorism. Republicans in Congress, meanwhile, score 45% on national security.
What’s more, as Spencer Ackerman notes, this poll also has some numbers that drive home, yet again, one of this blog’s pet theories: That Congressional Dems, by skittishly refusing to have any kind of message at all on national security, are only hurting themselves.
To wit: Only 43% approve of Dems on national security — less than Republicans, and far less than Obama. Saying nothing on these issues doesn’t help, see?
Now, a few caveats. This is a Dem poll. But it’s a well respected firm. And there are some warning signs in this poll: Many voters have rising doubts about Obama’s handling of terror suspects, even if they do prefer him to Bush.
But overall, the poll shows clearly that there’s no justification whatsoever for the Dems’ strategy of receding meekly into the background on these issues, rather than vocally allying themselves with Obama on them.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com
/terrorism
/poll-obama-doing-better-job-than-bush-on-national-security-and-terror/
"When it comes to combating terrorism and handling terrorism suspects, do you think President Obama is doing better, worse, or about the same as President George W. Bush?"
That question has a lot of Framing. It has been framed by people pushing war. If we wanted to frame it more honestly it should be:-
"Do you think President Obama has committed more, less, or about the same amount of terrorism as President George W. Bush?"
Jeepers Tom ! C'mon - Time for that old SDS radicalism. Sorry you're burnt. Can't blame ya personally - you did give a lot of yourself. I think Jane wrecked you. DNC appologist. See ya, Tom. Ain't gonna read your next wimp-ass article.
We have a strangle hold on the middle east,,
Iraq has the 4th largest oil reserves in the world,
Saudi , Emirates, and Kuwait dont go to the bathroom without our permission, 1st,5th and 6th in oil reserves in the world,,
Canada is our buddy, 2nd in oil reserves ,
Iran 3rd largest stuck in between Iraq and Afghanistan, and if they sneeze wrong we will be in their country , destroying and tearing up their infrastructure, it will take them 10s of years to rebuild, and it wont matter because we control 2/3 of the worlds oil reserves.
And for the big bonus round Afghanistan is one of the worlds top heroin growers.
Exit strategy,, how to shut up all the Americans protesting the illegal occupations and war on "terror", by using the stazi nation wide cointell pro homeland security spy network. Warrant less surveillance and immunity from prosecution for torture abuse.
The worst act of non support for our troops is letting the Patriot Act replace the constitution.
We are a disgrace to our brave military men and women by not protecting the constitution here at home, while they put their lives in harms way for wars based on lies.
This is the United States of America,,, not the United Stazi of America.
Shame on all of us.
Folks should not forget that Hayden's No. 1 job is to keep the progressives in the fold of the Democratic Party, even though the Dem Party is a corporate entity that does not represent their views.
Here's how he expresses it:
"Without a greater role by the organized peace movement, large numbers of voters will become passive, or drop away, during the forthcoming congressional elections and the next presidential one."
In other words, progressives are useful tools for the Democratic Party. This is a strategy in which progressive ideas will never be expressed in policy.
Quite frankly, the Dems do not respond to popular pressure. They respond to their constituents that fund them - corporations. I wouldn't believe Hayden's narrative of popular pressure. We've seen it go nowhere with Obama, who even encouraged it. It's all just to keep you in the game.
If you want political representation, vote for a third party that actually represents your interests. It's really that simple.
-TIA
Hayden's number one job is as a teacher, a college professor. Rather than argue his status as a so-called democratic apologist I would note that your citing of Hayden's words:
"Without a greater role by the organized peace movement, large numbers of voters will become passive, or drop away, during the forthcoming congressional elections and the next presidential one."
and your conclusion below:
In other words, progressives are useful tools for the Democratic Party. This is a strategy in which progressive ideas will never be expressed in policy.
seems more than a bit flaccid in support of your contention that he is what you claim. His noting of the numbers of people who might fail to exercise their privilege and vote doesn't state a preference in voting democratic, yet you conclude exactly that.
Hayden has worked both within and without the two party system during his rather productive political life. Thus, I think, deserves more than your shallow critique grants him.
Your defense of Hayden is rather shallow and sounds more like the typical apologetic. Hayden was callinhg for an exit strategies long before Obama was elected president. Since Obama is now escalating war in Afghanistan and taking covert military strikes in Pakistan way beyond anything the Bush Administration could dream up suggests the impotance for which Hayden and his body guards are known. If Hayden had even a modicum of courage he would provide his own defense rather than use surrogates on his behalf. Furthermore, Hayden has not worked outside the system since he identified himself as a Democrat back in the 1970's.
Ive not clue one as to what you are talking about. I think perhaps neither do you.
Hardly a surprise.
Have you ever tried civility? I doubt it. Ive no patience for childish displays nor people who think stupidity is political debate. Go away at least until you've matured enough to speak with adults.
Be polite, DD. It's always a good policy.
Well, Hayden isn't in office. Is that what you mean?
If you've been reading Hayden's essays here long enough, you'll find that they all have the same pattern - an appeal to progressives to stay focused on lobbying a Dem leadership that doesn't give a damn about their views. That's what I mean by keeping people in the game. Hayden is smart enough to understand that the Dems betray their base, yet he asks them to keep hammering away. Many people do, but it goes nowhere.
Hayden is addressing progressives. Do you really think Hayden is just doing a "get-out-the-vote" kind of service, regardless of faction? No, he's appealing to progressives who largely are alienated from the Democratic Party. He's not trying to persuade Republicans, certainly. He's real clear about that in this essay.
It's nice that you believe well of Hayden. I don't dislike him. But I do object to Hayden's misdirections. Obama has always said he'd escalate the war in Afghanistan. He said it before the election when Hayden was stumping for him. So why do we have to endure Hayden claiming that Obama will change his mind if progressives would only write letters to him, or something like that. Why did Hayden stump for such a warmonger in the first place? Hayden, after all, got his reputation in the antiwar Vietnam war days.
We see that the Dems have majority power, but there has been no change from Republican policies. In fact, there's been war escalation. Do you really think Obama just doesn't know what his voter base wants? Let's not bullshit ourselves. The big problem with Hayden is he just isn't honest about the political faction he wants us to support. So, let's start with some honesty. The Dems are a corporate party. It makes no sense for people to vote for it, or the Repugs. Period.
-TIA
What I defended was honest debate. I would remind you of my objection to the criticism to which I first responded:
["Without a greater role by the organized peace movement, large numbers of voters will become passive, or drop away, during the forthcoming congressional elections and the next presidential one."
and your conclusion below:
In other words, progressives are useful tools for the Democratic Party. This is a strategy in which progressive ideas will never be expressed in policy.]
I am very aware of Mr. Hayden's background, though I havent spoken directly to him since the debates following the issuance of the Port Huron Declaration at the University of Michigan, where we SDS members pondered our course.
http://www.campusactivism.org/server-new/uploads/porthuron.htm
The criticism was over an assumption by that poster that saying large numbers of people failing to vote represented a plea to continue to vote for democrats. I found no such assertion anywhere in Hayden's piece.
I am not here to defend Tom Hayden, nor the Democratic Party for that matter, only to attempt to discuss , in greater depth and without childish assumption, how best to advantage the left with a coming disenchantment with voting for (or against) the established order.
You are , of course, correct in your call for civility, but, should you peruse the posts I believe you will find that I was maligned prior to posting anything remotely snippy. I do not find any such caution to the person who began the deterioration of adult conversation, the so-called 'bodhihawk'. Perhaps his avian affectation stems from his apparent desire to shit on everyone from lofty height?
"As a result, everything may depend on whether popular perception is that Obama and the Democrats have turned promises of peace into action."
Can "everything" be whether the Dems get back into office?
Here's something: the reason people do not think the Dems have turned promises of peace into action is that they have worked to continue war instead.
With a Dem president and large majorities in the Senate and the House, the excuses wear badly.
In the rest of the world, when confronting unpopular Gov't policy communication (not hand wringing) leads to slow-downs, shut-downs,and general strikes...People don't go to "work".
Power of/to people.
Not long distance rallies/marches.
Not internet bloviations.
Not contained in physical "protest zones" or the zone in which your computer dialog is "watched".
Hayden was never much more than a star-timer.
The "reverence" shown these "over the hill" types is counter productive.
Remember.... When the Rich die, their money goes into the ego of their heirs(aka: up their nose). True trickle down economics.
Given (1) that global warming + perpetual war + economic collapse = doomsday and time's running out, and (2) that the system's rigged to maintain the status quo or worse, doesn't it follow that either we rise up en masse and change the world or, later in this century, it'll be one of us whose child or grandchild will end up having to answer the call "Will the last one out please turn off the lights?" Any ideas as to what the one who takes this call will be thinking? Perhaps something like "Thanks parents and grandparents for having done absolutely nothing to prevent this from happening way back when there still was a chance. A lot you cared?