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Let's pause and give thanks to Glenn Beck.
No, seriously — because that's what he's due.
We owe this talk-show-host-turned-political-leader gratitude for using his televised keynote address to the Conservative Political Action Conference to so frankly outline what the conservative movement has become — and why it repulses so many Americans.
Coming days after an anti-tax terrorist kamikaze-attacked a government facility in Texas, and following Republicans like Sen. Scott Brown and Rep. Steve King expressing sympathy for that terrorist's grievances, Beck's homily stands as the moment's most forthright manifesto on the right's authoritarian objectives.
Beck began his speech posing as a libertarian against "big government." Notice that most Republican icons are now saying this, though not all resemble Beck — not all of them previously pushed the big-government Patriot Act or the even-bigger-government bank bailout.
From there, Beck worked up a drenching sweat, criticizing Theodore Roosevelt's notion that we should make sure the accumulation of wealth is "honorably obtained" and "represents benefit to the community."
His porcine complexion verging on crimson, Beck called that concept of "community" a "cancer" that "is not our founders' idea of America" — somehow forgetting the notions of community and solidarity inherent in the founders' "Join or Die" motto.
But ignorance, no matter how embarrassing, doesn't get in Beck's way. To wild applause, he labeled this alleged tumor of "community" the supposedly evil "progressivism" — and he told disciples to "eradicate it" from the nation.
The lesson was eminently clear, coming in no less than the keynote address to one of America's most important political conventions. Beck taught us that a once-principled conservative movement of reasoned activists has turned into a mob — one that does not engage in civilized battles of ideas. Instead, these torch-carriers, gun-brandishers and tea partiers follow an anti-government terrorist attack by cheering a demagogue's demand for the physical annihilation of those with whom he disagrees — namely anyone, but particularly progressives, who value "community."
No doubt, some conservatives will parse, insisting Beck was only endorsing the "eradication" of progressivism but not of progressives.
These same willful ignoramuses will also likely say that the Nazis' beef was with Judaism but not Jews, and that white supremacists dislike African-American culture but have no problem with black people. Other conservatives will surely depict Beck's "eradication" line as just the jest of a self-described "rodeo clown" — merely the "fusion of entertainment and enlightenment," as his radio motto intones. But if Beck is half as smart as he incessantly tells listeners he is, then he knows it's no joke.In a melting-pot nation of slave descendants and immigrant refugees haunted by ancestral memories of despotic violence, Beck is deliberately employing coded and menacing language, warning his opponents not to believe Sinclair Lewis' refrain that such horror "can't happen here." Beck wants adversaries to know that it can and it will — to them, and at his movement's hands.
Really, the threat isn't even veiled. To understand it, just ponder comparisons. For instance, ask yourself: What is the difference between Beck's decree and that of Rwanda's genocidal leaders in the 1990s? The former broadcasted a call to "eradicate" the "cancer"-like progressives; the latter a call to "exterminate the cockroaches." Likewise, what separates Beck's screed from a bin Laden fatwa? They may employ different ideologies and languages, but both endorse the wholesale elimination of large groups of Americans.
And so we finally see tyranny's hideous image within our midst: It's not a tightly cropped mustache in a beige uniform; it's a clean-shaven baby face in a suit — a rodeo clown with a chalkboard who unfortunately speaks for modern-day conservatism.
We should thank him, at least, for admitting what his movement truly wants.




136 Comments so far
Show AllWhile SOME americans continue to wallow in the hubristic :
"in america we have freedoms and laws of justice other countries don't even have"......
as daily the Police Security State gathers them "benignly" in its "embrace"....
it will be nice for americans to remember HUEY LONG's statement decades ago:
"THE DAY shall come when this nation will be a Fascist State......only...they'll keep calling it a democracy"....
incidentally....considering the Blowback of "terrorists" against the USA for its foreign policy of Empire...otherwise known as "diplomacy" or meddling to spread "democracy" at the point of a gun...
did you know that the USA congress just passed a bill to "improve" the USA's "tourism" image abroad and "explain the procedures" (like, uh, bodily searches of grannies.."u never know")..but to help FUND it --
the SAME foreigners who might want to tour the USA are to be charged ...well...ONLY 10 Dollars as extra process fee, for the HONOR and PRIVILEGE to jump over loops and hoops to visit the beautiful land that was stolen from The Native Indians?
nifty - ain't it?
"nifty - ain't it?"
Downright splendid!
Ironic that Beck mocks Teddy Roosevelt since most of Beck's followers were born into the middle class rather than into poverty only because Teddy Roosevelt broke up the trusts and started regulating industry, thereby creating an environment in which a middle class could flourish. Prior to Roosevelt, the US consisted of 2% very wealthy and 98% subsistance farmers and impoverished working stiffs, there was no middle class.
Exactly ray,
The Beck leech has no scruples whatsoever. He continues to misrepresent history at ever turn. He hijacked the book cover to Thomas Paine's "Common Sense" as his own, incorrectly asserting that this was a Christian work. Such dishonesty! Thomas Paine hated Christians and was ardent atheist.
But this guy's audience gobbles up his misrepresentations as gospel. He's a propagandist straight from the Monopoly Boardroom.
I swear, everytime I hear his name, the bullchit detector jumps full-scale off the meter.
TJ
Right On, Teddy
Let's hope Beck receives exactly what he prescribes for others, before the mob who listen to him gain enough steam to institute the authoritarian state he advocates. If Beck gets his way, this country will resemble Chile, Uruguay and Argentina in the '60s and '70s, when every liberal and leftist was rounded up for torture or gunned down in the street. Beck is literally the leader of an incipient gestapo and if he isn't stopped soon, we're all going to find ourselves among the big piles of dead bodies he so desperately yearns for.
Let's pause and give thanks to David Sirota.
He illustrates the essential fallacy that is taken for granted by those who exploit us.
He focuses on the buffoon Beck, claiming he represents the emerging, leering face of fascism--
But to focus on Beck is to lose sight of the overall corporate control of the entire political process.
Beck is not the enemy. Neither are the tea baggers.
Division. Separateness. Otherness. The corporations that promote and extend these memes throughout.
These are the enemy, and look how easily we fall for it.
We should be joining up with the tea-baggers, especially on issues like the bailout. Playing along with Sirota and the rest of the lock-stepped/goose-stepping corporate media is both lazy and complicit.
Goddamnit. Every comment I've made lately on CD is some version of the above.
Hear hear...
Unfortunately, Amerikkka is the land of "dividers", not "uniters". We'd much rather sit on our fat asses in our recliners and "intellectually poke holes" in groups than to actually get up, turn off the idiot box, meet real flesh-and-blood humans, look beyond our differences to see the real problems and work together to solve them.
I fear for this country.
Revolution is an inevitability... blood will eventually literally flow in the streets of D.C. The French Revolution will look tame compared to the frenzy that will be seen in D.C. as an enraged populace introduces the bureaucrats and politicians to the "Mussolini Proceedure".
It ain't gonna happen in DC.
Sirota's thesis is that the people who are least responsible for the corporate takeover of America will shed the most blood.
We can't really join up with the tea baggers. Their leadership is too closely tied to right wing think tanks and corporations. Too many in their active membership are racist, homophobic and militaristic.
Leftist organizations could conceivably form alliances with the tea party to oppose the ongoing bank bailouts and demand bank real reform. Other than this their is not a lot of common ground.
During the Bush II years, the left was more vibrant and was drawing in a lot of the discontented. The culmination of this was Obama's victory, but waht a pyrhic victory.
Obama has now proven to the people that mainstream Liberals cannot be trusted. (Yes, Obama's not very liberal but the nation sees him as a Liberal) Obama has taken the wind out of the Left's sails. He has shown taht you can elect a Liberal Democrat but he will just help the financial elite rob the people. He will expand the unjust wars. Just as if he were a Repub.
By the end of Obama's first term hatred of Liberals will be at an all time high among the masses. Since we have no real electoral alternative to the left of Liberal, 2012 and beyond will be another right wing nightmare.
Nonetheless, the Left cannot continue to back Obama and hope to claim the populist mantle. Obama must be opposed for the war mongering lying stealing traitor that he is! It's the only hope,
You want "Bi-Partisanship" with the Tea Baggers? The very people who love and applaud an excresense like Beck? Bi-Partisanship has worked really well for Obama hasn't it.
Damn it, I am sick of bi-partisanship. I want to FIGHT these bastards. If someone is going to "reach across the aisle" to the repubs it should be to slap them up side the head.
After the 2008 election I remembered something Molly Ivans once said of the Republicans in defeat. "It is not enough for us to take pleasure in their discomfiture. We must also kick them while they're down."
They only things the dems have kicked while in power are the asses of their most active supporters.
Time to dump these corporate stooges. If they won't fight for us, and they won't, it's time to get a party that will.
You seem to have both missed and gotten my point simultaneously.
The Tea-Baggers, insofar as they are earnest, are against the bailout. They see it as an example of big government. I (and I think many progressives) see it as an example of corporate control of government.
The media plays the progressives against the tea-baggers and we fall for it easily, just like I said in my comment. You fell for it even after I pointed it out.
Stop jumping other people, and sharpen your blades to cut corporate and government throats.
Molly Ivins, bless her, lived in the pre-Nixon world, and still clung, to her dying day, to the notion that one party served the people, and the other exploited it.
I do not call for bipartisanship. I never came close. I call, as you do, for "dumping the corporate stooges," which means, dumping both parties at a bare minimum.
What is needed is another Constitutional Convention, one which outlaws any power by any non-human entity, and presupposes clean air, clean water, healthy food, clean shelter, meaningful work and plenty of fun for everyone, bar none, not one person excluded.
There. Doesn't that sound (and feel) better than attacking tea party idiots?
How do you want to join with fanatic peopel like these who are absolutely brain washed and are absolutely ignorant and have no idea what they are talking about.
They call Obama who gave Wall St. and the health care/insurance corporations everything they asked for, they call him a "socialist", and many of them think that Medicare is a private program run by a corporation.
The leadership of the teabaggers are corporatists through and through, exactly like Obama. They are doing from the right what Obama did from the left which is beat and switch, but they are serving their masters the corporate/finance class.
This article is a complete waste of time. Any thinking and reasonable person can see that vermin like Glenn Beck are racist, imperialist, morally challenged, corporate shills. We don't need Sirota to just keep re-hashing the obvious.
Now how about an article that tells us something new, or analyzing how we can bring about some form of truly representative democratic process or just anything intelligent?
Sorry, but I think you underestimate the influence Beck has. It's also obvious that Limbaugh and all the other fascist gasbags in corporate media "are racist, imperialist, morally challenged, corporate shills," but that doesn't mean they should just be ignored. Because millions of morons out there are not ignoring them. When Beck calls upon his sheep to "eradicate" all progressives, that means us, and knowing about such fascist calls-to-arms is hardly a waste of time. Another article telling us more of what we already know is scarcely of more importance than being alerted to just how fanatical and insane the right has become, thanks to the guidance of Glenn Beck. Yes, we need to know how to organize effectively against these thugs, but first we need to know exactly how bloodthirsty they've become.
Ephraim: you miss my overall point:
Beck is old news and many here on CD expect something a bit more analytical. The corporate media oligopoly framework in which Beck is employed ought to be focused on. Analyzing how we can change the legal and regulatory structures that enable racist neo-fascists like these slime would be more helpful. Organizing how to resist the propaganda machine and the incestuous relationship with govt. ought to be analyzed. This relationship includes so-called progressives, D-party members etc. A superficial article about the obvious, is not going to help, and it very likely draws attention away from the corruption of both duopoly parties.
Focusing on one side of the coin is not helpful. The so-called progressives are enabling these people indirectly by legitimizing them and supporting the very system that supports and enables Beck et al.
I don't believe they should be ignored, but rather dismissed and de-legitimized. When a spoiled brat child acts up to get attention, a parent must not reward the child with attention and fawning. This is not to say the child is ignored. Sorry for the simplistic analogy.
Furthermore, if one uses opinion polls on various issues, folks who agree with Beck et al. are far fewer than the MSM would hve us believe, by a good margin.
I quote: "...many here on CD expect something a bit more analytical..."
And Joe Average Six-Pack doesn't give two rat-shits for "analytical"... He votes from knee-jerk reactions and limited understanding of the issues due to being spoon-fed BS by the MSM he believes... and his boss... and his preacher...
And (I hate to break this to you...) there are way more "Joe Average Six-Pack" than "Analytical engaged thinker".
Sorry...
I don't like it either... but the facts are the facts and not liking them doesn't alter them.
So we are a bunch of Joe Six Packs who don't give a shit? Speak for yourself my friend. I drink beer but that don't mean I am stupid or apathetic; you are an insult beer drinkers. If I wanted mindless BS I will turn on the TV, not come to CD. Since you seem to be new here, look around - there are many who post intelligent comments.
Besides, I wasn't aksing you in the first place, so go back to watching TV, it will support your opinion.
Damn Socialist! You're taking everything here a little personally, no? Not every post disagreeing with your opinions and views is an attack. And certainly not every article CD puts up has to satisfy your discriminating taste. A whole myriad of analytical and critical thinkers come to CD to read a wide range of progressive journalism and commentary. I appreciate Sirota's skills and don't believe he wrote this piece especially for you.
Indeed not, I have read good articles by Sirota, but this is not one of them. BTW, look around I aint the only one who is critical.
Like I said before, if I want superficial BS I will turn on the TV. I am also quick to point out what I see as analysis and providing significant context. I guess I will have to go elsewhere for that, if I want consistency.
However, perhaps you are right, if I am looking for serious analysis I can go to places like globalresearch, counterpunch, or socialistworker, for example. The articles posted here are mostly "safe" ones. Chomsky has commented many times in the past that the fundamental questions are seldom aksed by the media or even academia. We can sniff around the edges and focus on detail, but not go too deep.
Cicero: "Freedom is participation in power."
Socialist,
Just as NAFTA and the WTO let the "free trade" genie out of the bottle, the 1996 Telecommunications Act deregulating multi- and cross-platform media ownership let the media concentration genie out of the bottle, and in contemporary America these genies would be nigh unto impossible to put back into any sane regulatory bottle.
One thing that would help in this particular case would be for enough Americans to file complaints with the FCC that quote the terrorist hate-speech used by Beck that was broadcast uncritically by right-wing news media networks. In other words, the right-wing broadcast networks that air this hate-speech uncritically, without any analysis except perhaps to provide a platform to advance such ideas, may be guilty of violations of still extant FCC law left-over from the original 1930s Telecommunications Act. This is because these networks cannot demonstrate how unquestioning coverage of such speeches are in anyway commensurate with the public interest. In fact, such language on the part of Beck is directly antithetical to ANY notion of the public interest. A smart lawyer with enough citizens behind him or her might be able to get these networks penalized or possibly even get their broadcast licenses yanked.
Good point metal: NAFTA, WTO and the TCA of 96 are great examples of D supported legislation that contributes to this sort thing, coupled with legal interpretations of "free speech". The apologists for the status quo are loathe to admit these sorts of things and are quick to simply focus on the far-right as a convenient foil for the right-wing policies of the Ds.
You have a good suggestion, and I am no legal expert, but propaganda and lies are still considered "free speech" and the FCC, as you say, is just a shell of its former self, and staffed with industry insiders who are unlikely to undermine the interests of the industry.
Cicero: "Freedom is participation in power."
The current FCC is a tremendous improvement over the Bush FCC and the two older Democratic appointees have resisted the corporate drive toward deregulated media monopolies for many years. Obama's FCC chairman has supported easing access to low power FM radio station licenses for non-profit groups and there is a bill circulating in Congress to that effect. The Bush FCC appointees fought this tooth & nail. The weak point right now is not the current FCC but Congress--too many craven right-wing Dims.
Public approval of this Congress right now is at 14%. They know whatever they do at this point they're going to get creamed in November but they're acting like they've all been paralyzed with Yanomamo blow-gun venom. It's a type of political insanity where they keep repeating the same right-wing behavior expecting different electoral results and they should have learned that lesson from Al Gore in 2000. The stupidity of trying to out-Republican the Republican Party isn't just an obvious sign of DLC Dim corruption--it's a proven failed political strategy for the Dim Party.
Freedom of the print media press and freedom of the broadcast press are two different animals under American law. This is because, under original telecommunications law, in order to operate as a broadcast news source, a broadcast spectrum frequency user must obtain a license from the government to use THE PUBLIC'S airwaves (held as a commons in the interest of the public by the government) in a manner that is both profitable to the license holder and commensurate with the public interest. The legal definition of what is "commensurate with the public interest" with respect to broadcast press law has been developed since the 1930s, but, as with so many other American institutions, how violations of the public interest are recognized and dealt with depends on how many citizens get riled up and raise formal hell over a given issue as to what gets attention and what gets done (when there is a sitting FCC with enough people on it willing to listen to the public as there is right now). This is an entirely different set of legal conditions than is applied to traditional print media press which is directly shielded by the 1st Amendment.
When [R] Bob Dole was Senate Majority Leader the federal government (illegally in my opinion) sold off what was then estimated to be about $70 Billion dollars worth of the digital broadcast spectrum--sold outright to the networks without any fiduciary responsibility to use any of it in a manner commensurate with the public interest so far as I know. Even Bob Dole had the balls to admit at the time that he thought this was the biggest rip-off of the U.S. public (of something that the public owned in common like the national parks) that he had ever seen. He was soon out of power after that remark and could never find significant campaign funding for his attempts to organize presidential runs.
The corporate switch to the digital TV broadcast spectrum was one way for the network frequency users to shed another layer of accountability to the FCC or the public. I am not an expert on broadcast press law pertaining to the use of the digital spectrum so I am unsure if there IS any relevant law that applies to it besides specific, case by case, digital broadcast obscenity rulings.
But the American public have been beaten down, dumbed-down and programmed to confront their government's continual failures and betrayals with complacence and defeatism instead of organizing to resist.
"...if one uses opinion polls on various issues, folks who agree with Beck et al. are far fewer than the MSM would hve us believe, by a good margin."
That does not mean there is no threat. It by no means takes a majority to do vast damage.
Sirota is not just rehashing old news, he is asserting that the United States is likely on the verge of seeing mobs of angry right-wing know-nothings implementing the program of raving leaders like Beck.
"Yeah, don't worry about those NAZIs, they are old news, our best strategy is to dismiss and delegitimize them."
You might disagree with Sirota's assertion that this "conservative" movement poses an imminent threat to society and to their targeted enemies, but your blithe dismissal of his article does not address that central point. This is not just a "superficial article about the obvious." Analyzing propaganda systems is not agenda item number one when an angry mob is massing.
Webwalk: I am afraid that you miss the point. It aint just Beck or Limbaugh it is the entire legal and political system. Can't see the forest for the trees? You only see a small part of it and miss the big picture. That is just what the right-wing corporate media wants, focus on the superficial two-party BS and don't look behind the curtain.
No i don't miss the point, you are free to twist every comment to fit your stance.
whatever you say, you just cherrypicked one aspect of my post and made a generalization, good way out.
OK:
"I am afraid that you miss the point. It aint just Beck or Limbaugh it is the entire legal and political system."
Where did i assert that "it is only Beck and Limbaugh"? You made that up, so what is there for me to respond to? i have nothing to prove to you, and i have no intention of trying to prove something to you by writing here about my analysis of "the entire legal and political system" but i will point out that i said and implied no such thing. You are writing as if in response to something i did not assert or imply.
"Can't see the forest for the trees? You only see a small part of it and miss the big picture. That is just what the right-wing corporate media wants, focus on the superficial two-party BS and don't look behind the curtain."
Where did i "focus on the superficial two-party BS"? You don't reference anything i wrote so again, what is there for me to respond to? Again, i have nothing to prove to you and will not write here about my understanding of "the forest". But you are breezily misrepresenting what i write, and then reacting to your own breezy misrepresentation.
Sirota is NOT saying, anywhere in his piece, that "the problem" is reducible to blowhards like Beck and Limbaugh, and i am also making no such argument. You are inventing stances you attribute to us, then arguing against your invented stances.
Sirota's point, which you have never acknowledged or addressed, is that based on his reading of the effect (among a significant minority of US citizens) of the massive propaganda effort (for which Beck is a current media and far-right superstar), we may actually be nearing an outburst of very ugly, targeted, mass violence that will promote a transition to a much more overt fascism in the United States. And that Beck is quite explicitly promoting such an outburst.
Maybe you think that point is stupid, but Sirota is NOT doing what you accuse him of, simply "focusing" on Beck without any understanding of the forces behind this moment.
Based on your interactions, i anticipate zero acknowledgment of anything. You will again ignore Sirota's central point while repeating your assertions that we are saying something that we are not saying.
That's why i was short in my last reply to you - it has nothing to do with "cherry-picking" but with the pointlessness of trying to interact with you in this forum.
Webwalk,
I was referring to my earlier post, however since you replied with a bit more elaboration than your earlier one:
I do not find Sirota's article helpful and I believe it plays into the hands of non-progressive forces. In my view what he says has been happening for a long time, it is nothing new and I do not believe his claim and prognosis valid for several reasons:
In the context of our obviously distorted and superficial MSM narrative, the obvious highlighting of the far-right takes attention away from even more fundamental issues facing us and it gets ratings - it is sensational. As you refer from Sirtota:
"targeted, mass violence that will promote a transition to a much more overt fascism in the United States. And that Beck is quite explicitly promoting such an outburst."
As you must know it is not just the far-right that are disturbed, upset and stressed due to unemployment, huge debts, foreclosures, bailouts etc. However the corporate media's interests lie in focusing in on the tea-baggers and other "astroturf" orgs. There are many many progressive and moderate mainstream organizations out there that are not reported on that are truly grass roots yet get little if any coverage by the msm. And one must remember that we live in a large and diverse country and the tebaggers etc. have been magified, sensationalized and exaggerated.
If "mass violence" does erupt from the far-right it will be highly disruptive to business interests in general. It would likely create more violence and could spin out of control. Why would the corporate interests that control the media and teabagger groups want to undermine their own interests? It makes no sense. Besides, the tried and true methods of controlling the masses with public relations (propaganda) diversions, smokescreens etc. has proven to be much more effective and profitable than the use of violence. They will use violence only when interests are in jeopardy, and they have virutally "captured" Congress and the WH.
As I said several times in several posts here: this sort of exaggeration and simple dichotomy only plays into the hands of the corporate interests who propagate them. It forces progressives into a corner and to defend so-called liberals in govt., who appear "less evil" than the far right. A perfect foil.
One must remember who is framing these issues, who controls the public narrative. We must not analyze the issues with THEIR narative. We fall into their "discourse trap". The convenient right/far-right foil is an excellent and effective tool to both fragment the left in general as well as distract.
If/When civil disobedience does come, and I believe that will only be when a critical masss of folks have nothing to lose and material conditions worsen for that mass of folks, then it will be more complex and involve many more segments of society than the corporate funded right-wing.
After all these right wing and corporate funded types all apear to be mostly white middle class folks who have something to lose and they fear those "sans culottes" who do not.
socialist,
well put.
>>Why would the corporate interests that control the media and teabagger groups want to undermine their own interests? It makes no sense.<<
Why did the Prussian wealthy and German Army promote a mere private first class veteran to the leadership of their nation? They thought they could control him, and he would control and manipulate the people into starting a new war of conquest. We have a corporate elite who make much of their money out of eternal war, and want to keep doing so. A corporate plutocracy that fears the mob is wising up to the scam and wants to divert them with enemies to fight, without and within the country. In Nazi Germany the list of the "enemies of the state" stretched long from the Jew to the Gypsy to the Homosexual to the Czech to the... Beck seems to be making up a list right in front of us. And we are arguing about the Fawning Corporate Media's propaganda machine? The left has just been warned about their extermination and we are fussing over debating points?
Gary
"A third argument is that "While possible, a new form of fascism is too unlikely to be taken seriously."
I see this view as a tribute that blindness pays to vision. It is merely a sophisticated way of conceding possibility while justifying inaction. The outside chance, after all, rarely deserves to be a focus of continuing attention. In terms of its implications, therefore, "unlikely" may be the equivalent of either "impossible" or "so what?"
In daily life, of course, people and groups do take precautionary action to protect themselves or others against some unlikely events. This is the basis of the vast insurance industry in the capitalist world, which provides protection for some people against some of the monetary losses resulting from ill health, accidents, theft, fires, earthquakes, or floods. In all these cases of unlikely "bads," not insurance but prevention is the best protection. In the case of friendly fascism, it is the only protection."
-- Bertram Gross, Friendly Fascism: The New Face of Power in America (1980)
Why does everyone use Germany as an example? Although some similarities do exist, the USA is a quite different place than Germany in 1875 or 1933. You sound a bit melodramatic.
socialist,
Thanks for your on point reply. i'm less willing to accept that the powers behind the media are as in control of events as they like to portray themselves, and i see clear potential for their proto-fascist genie to spin out of their control.
i'm trying to be less reactive and confrontational in this forum, i still fall into it, so i appreciate your reply.
Does anyone ever get the feeling we're locked in a car that's speeding toward a cliff?
It is difficult isn't it to know how to react to Beck. I've seem clips of him. My first impression is that he is a complete clown. And then I learn that, despite his being more of an actor than anything else, he has a sincere following. Perhaps the way Norman Lear's Bunker was the champion for so many, despite his being written as a buffoon.
Ignore him? No. But to think that he was the keynote speaker, somewhere? anywhere? That is so funny!!
I am constantly reminded of the great gulf in America between the kind of people that post on this site, who I can recognize as sensitive, thoughtful responsible fellow human beings, and that other American, the real Becks out there, who are as alien to me as I am from someone from another planet.
Up here in the "Inland Empire" of the "great white north" Beck has a huge following. The average person around here idolizes Fox News and listens to Rush and Beck as if they are gods. I'm talking about regular old neighborhood dwelling stay at home moms and grocery clerks and cops. Cops!!!!
This really is a nazi like thing happening. It's very scary!
it is scary...and this jerk is from my neck of the woods, too...
I don't watch him, or anyone on TV, for that matter, and I would certainly suggest no one else do, either...
Me too. I boycott all MSM, so I only know what I read on alternative sites. But it sounds like he's trying to get the tea-baggers running down the slippery slope.
Isn't this how the Brownshirts and Blackshirts started in Germany 1936? My history is poor on this. Anybody know?
TJ
Hey TJ--The Brownshirts got started in the late 1920s, although what became the Nazi party began shortly after WW1. They were considered thugs, radicals and crackpots who would soon spend their energy and vanish--Wrong. AS I point-out in my comment, they weren't taken seriously. Hitler was appointed Chancellor in 1933, the year FDR became president. The Wikipedia page on the Nazi Party is a fair primer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_party
The table of election results provided there is quite telling.
Thanks karlof.
The way he used Joe Stack tipped me off that this was a partisan attack. Stack's action does fit the definition of terrorism, but most of the media wouldn't call it that - for a good reason. First, there's no evidence that Stack was a Right winger, let alone a Tea-Bagger. If you have read Stack's suicide note, most Americans would probably agree with some of it. The last thing the MSM wants is for people to show some understanding for why terrorists do what they do. We are supposed to think that they are subhuman. It's hard to think of Joe Stack as subhuman. On the morning of his suicide flight I posted "more important than why he did what he did, is who will control the narrative of why Joe Stack did what he did."
My wife is from China and we have a satellite television service that allows her to watch a couple of dozen Chinese stations. What may surprise many in the US is that a few of the Chinese stations went into depth about Stack's suicide note and discussed it in detail. Certainly the Chinese enjoy taking potshots at the US, particularly its government and political system, and that helps explain why they did it, but I still found it a bit disturbing that US corporate media outlets refused to seriously discuss the issues Stack raised as much as some of the foreign media did.
kivals:
That's indeed very interesting.
It demonstrates the need not only for varied but variegated news-sources. Fan out, everybody - be fans of different kinds of sources.
That's the role of CD, for sure.
Cicero: "Freedom is participation in power."
Since the era of Iran-Contra much of the foreign press has covered important issues and events in America in greater depth and with more honesty and intelligence than America's rotten corporate press. British, Australian and New Zealand news coverage of our general elections is far and away better than any of the crap you see in U.S. "mainstream media." European press outlets are generally superior than the American McPress in covering science, energy issues, labor issues, environmental issues, immigration issues, you name it. The only reason to watch the U.S. MSM is to compare the slight variations of the shared lies their hack editors & reporters use to fill up the Amurkan echo chamber with the broadcast version of whatever latest daily Big Lie is excreted by the New York Times, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal.
Kivals:
It's interesting to consider the lack of establishment media focus on the Stack issue when juxtaposed against the months of incessant 'analysis' given the Abdulmutallab incident. Very telling.....
The Stack incident is emblematic of the serious and growing frustration Americans are starting to feel now that the effects of mafia-capitalism are hitting 'the homeland' instead of some distant, foreign country. It's glaringly apparent the media does not want to focus American attention on American outrage at the systemic, neoliberal rot that defines US political, economic, and social policies. In a piece written earlier this week, Glenn Greenwald put it succinctly: "All of this yet again underscores the prime function of establishment journalism in the U.S.: to uncritically amplify the views of those who wield political power. And it is also perfectly consistent with their first mandate: the U.S. is incapable of acts of evil (and certainly incapable of "Terrorism"), which is reserved only for those foreigners who dislike and "protest" the United States." The entire piece titled, 'Inside the mind of Newsweek on "terrorism,"' can be viewed at www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/.
Socialist, i couldn't agree more!
It is really the absurd analysis of the obvious. It keeps 'us' (or is supposed to) keep us thinking that these psycho media people,etc. are the 'enemy' of the good, solid democratic party and obama.
It is like watching keith olbermann. That is what this site is becoming and it is very sad for me to witness this. I am not sure why this is happening here.
Gargantuan chambers of death have been built (think: convention centers).
The death trains are waiting.
The lists of the names of the people to be annihilated have been made available to those in charge.
The hour approaches.
Mr. Mellott:
You're a one-man "Doom and gloom"-boom. Pls go smell some roses.
Many in the Republican party's Brown Shirt Movement, like Gauleiter Beck, are entirely eager and capable of turning this nation into Nazi Germany or any similar nihilistic state. National Socialism was not any kind of political or economic "philosophy". It was a religion dedicated to death, hatred and cruelty. This is what people like Beck stand for. The United States can be swallowed up by this kind of terror. There's nothing special about this country that would preclude it.