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George W. Obama
After his first year, Obama shows his true face
Before President Obama, it was grimly accurate to write, as I often did in the Voice, that George W. Bush came into the presidency with no discernible background in constitutional civil liberties or any acquaintance with the Constitution itself. Accordingly, he turned the "war on terror" over to Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld-ardent believers that the Constitution presents grave obstacles in a time of global jihad.
But now, Bush's successor-who actually taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago-is continuing much of the Bush-Cheney parallel government and, in some cases, is going much further in disregarding our laws and the international treaties we've signed.
On January 22, 2009, the apostle of "change we can believe in" proclaimed: "Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of my presidency." But four months into his first year in command, Obama instructed his attorney general, Eric Holder, to present in a case, Jewel v. National Security Agency, a claim of presidential "sovereign immunity" that not even Dick Cheney had the arrant chutzpah to propose.
Five customers of AT&T had tried to go to court and charge that the government's omnipresent spy, the NSA, had been given by AT&T private information from their phone bills and e-mails. In a first, the Obama administration countered-says Kevin Bankston of Electronic Frontier Foundation, representing these citizens stripped of their privacy-that "the U.S. can never be sued for spying that violated federal surveillance statutes, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or the Wiretap Act."
It is one thing, as the Bush regime did, to spy on us without going to court for a warrant, but to maintain that the executive branch can never even be charged with wholly disregarding our rule of law is, as a number of lawyers said, "breathtaking."
On the other hand, to his credit, Obama's very first executive orders in January included the ending of the CIA "renditions"-kidnapping terrorism suspects off the streets in Europe and elsewhere and sending them for interrogation to countries known to torture prisoners. However, in August, the administration admitted that the CIA would continue to send such manacled suspects to third countries for detention and interrogation.
Why send them to a foreign prison if they're not going to be tortured to extract information for the CIA? Oh, the U.S. would get "guarantees" from these nations that the prisoners would not be tortured. That's the same old cozening song that Condoleezza Rice and George W. Bush used to sing robotically.
President Obama also solemnly pledged to have "the most open administration in American history." Nonetheless, his Justice Department lawyers have already invoked "state secrets" to prevent cases brought by victims of the CIA renditions from being heard.
In February, in a lawsuit brought by five graduates of CIA "black sites" before the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, one of the judges, visibly surprised at hearing the new "change" president invoking "state secrets," asked the government lawyer, Douglas Letter, "The change in administration has no bearing on this?"
The answer: "No, your honor." This demand for closing this case before it can be heard had, he said, been "thoroughly vetted with the appropriate officials within the new administration, [and] these are authorized positions."
Said the torture graduates' ACLU lawyer, Ben Wizner: "Much is at stake in this case. If the CIA's overboard secrecy claims prevail, torture victims will be denied their say in court solely on the basis of an affidavit submitted by their torturers."
Barack Obama a torturer? Not exactly. In this particular case, the torture policy had been set by George W. Bush. President Obama is just agreeing with his predecessor. Does that make Obama complicit in these acts of torture? You decide.
What is clear, beyond a doubt-and not only in "rendition" cases, but in other Obama validations of what Dick Cheney called the necessary "dark side" of the previous administration-has been stated by Jameel Jaffer. Head of the ACLU's National Security Project, he is the co-author of the definitive evidence of the Bush-Cheney war crimes that Obama is shielding, Administration of Torture (Columbia University Press).
After the obedient Holder rang the "state secrets" closing bell in the San Francisco case, Jaffer described the link between the Bush and Obama presidencies: "The Bush administration constructed a legal framework for torture, but the Obama administration is constructing a legal framework for impunity."
It's become an Obama trademark: reversing a vigorous position he had previously taken, as when he signed into law the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) Amendments Act that, as a senator, he had vowed to filibuster as a protest against their destruction of the Fourth Amendment. And now he's done it again. His government is free to spy on us at will.
For another example of the many Obamas, the shifting president had supported the release of photographs of Bush-era soldier abuses of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. (The Second Circuit Court of Appeals in New York had approved the publication of these "intensive interrogations.") But Obama changed his mind, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates flat-out censored the photos. Not surprisingly, the Roberts Supreme Court agreed with Gates and Obama and overruled the Second Circuit.
In a December 5 editorial, The New York Times helped explain why Obama-who doesn't want to "look backward" at Bush cruelties-changed his mind: "The photos are of direct relevance to the ongoing national debate about accountability for the Bush-era abuses. No doubt their release would help drive home the cruelty of stress positions, mock executions, hooding, and other 'enhanced interrogation techniques' used against detainees and make it harder for officials to assert that improper conduct was aberrational than the predictable result of policies set at high levels."
Barack Obama may well go down in history as the President of Impunity for Bush, Cheney, and, in time, himself, for continuing the CIA "renditions."
But he will also be long remembered as the President of Permanent Detention. At the Supreme Court in 1987, in U.S. v. Salerno, Justice Thurgood Marshall, strenuously dissenting, warned: "Throughout the world today there are men, women, and children interned indefinitely, awaiting trials which may never come or which may be a mockery of the word, because their governments believe them to be 'dangerous.' Our Constitution . . . can shelter us forever against the dangers of such unchecked power."
Not forever. The Obama government is working to assure that its purchase of the supermax prison, the Thomson Correctional Center in Illinois, will be the permanent forced residence of certain Guantánamo terrorism suspects who can't be tried in our regular courtrooms because-gasp-they have been tortured, preventing the admission of "incriminating" statements they have made or-"state secrets" again!-a due process trial "would compromise sensitive sources and methods."
Like torture.
I increasingly wonder whose Constitution Barack Obama was teaching at the University of Chicago. China's? North Korea's? Robert Mugabe's? Glenn Greenwald, a former constitutional lawyer, whose byline I never miss on the Internet, asks: "What kind of a country passes a law that has no purpose other than to empower its leader to suppress evidence of the torture it inflicted on people?"
You may not be surprised to learn that my next book-to be published by Cato Institute, where I'm now a senior fellow-will be titled, Is This America?
I often disagree with ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero-though I'm almost always in synch with his lawyers in the field-but Romero is right about Obama creating "Gitmo North": "While the Obama administration inherited the Guantánamo debacle, this current move is its own affirmative adoption of those policies. It is unimaginable that the Obama administration is using the same justification as the Bush administration used to undercut centuries of legal jurisprudence and the principle of innocent until proved guilty and the right to confront one's accusers. . . . The Obama administration's announcement contradicts everything the president has said about the need for America to return to leading with its values. American values do not contemplate disregarding our Constitution and skirting the criminal justice system."
If Dick Cheney were a gentleman, instead of continuing to criticize this president, he would congratulate him on his faithful allegiance to many signature policies of the Bush-Cheney transformation of America.
But never let it be said that President Obama is neglecting the patriotic education of America's young. On December 13, Clint Boulton reported on eweek.com, "The Electronic Frontier Foundation and Berkeley's Samuelson Clinic have sued the Department of Justice and five other government organizations (including the CIA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence) for cloaking their policies for using Facebook, Twitter, and other social networks to investigate citizens in criminal and other matters. [The plaintiffs] want to know exactly how, and what kinds of information, the feds are accessing from users' social networking profiles."
Maybe Dick Cheney can ask Barack to confirm him as a friend on Facebook.
Charlie Savage, the Times ace reporter of constitutional violations, chillingly shows how Yale Law School professor Jack Balkin got to the core of the consequences of our "yes, we can" president by predicting that "Mr. Obama's ratifications of the basic outlines of the surveillance and detention policies he inherited would reverberate for generations. By bestowing bipartisan acceptance on them," Mr. Balkin said, "Mr. Obama is consolidating them as entrenched features of government."
Do Congressional Democratic leaders Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi give a damn about this historic legacy of the Obama administration that they cluelessly help to nurture by providing lockstep Democratic majorities for?
Do you give a damn?



143 Comments so far
Show AllYes, I DO give a damn!
If was illegal and wrong for Chimpy to shred the Bill of Rights, it's just as wrong for Obama to follow suit.
The title of an article about Obama's financial industry actions needs to be HERBERT OBAMA.
Just as he is following the Dubya Regime's lead concerning constitutional law, Obama is following Herbert Hoover's lead on financial and insurance issues. While pundits were comparing Obama's 2008 election to FDR's 1932 election, Obama's first year is much more comparable to Herbert Hoover's 1928 election and subsequent 4 years of turning the wrong direction at every junction.
The H in Barack H. Obama could stand for Herbert but I prefer to think it stands for Hoover, as in Barack Hoover Obama.
Carrying on the Bu$h junta's torture policies, war pollicies, secrecy, etc. and following Hoover in financial strategy...he certainly seems to learn from the worst doesn't he?
As long as we have the same two-party status quo, it won't matter which party is in office. The two parties are two sides of the same coin; they merely give the illusion of choice.
I don't blame all those who were bitterly angry at George W. Bush. However perhaps it can be seen that emotions were manipulated. The two parties take turns looking bad, so that people will rally to the other party -- always keeping the Republican-Democrat duopoly in power.
A concise and very accurate analysis.
Indeed, an Excellent Summary by Satyagraha.
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SO well put, Satyagraha.
in the case of the american people continuing to think they have "choices" and by that are so "superior" to other countries for having such "freedom" that to americans are also one with being "capitalist".....while hardly realizing that the DUOmonoPOLY is really a "corporatist, capitalist, warmaking, money racket" MONOPOLY of power over them....
the american polity is quite correctly to be described in the classic way , by Albert Einstein and others:
for in
'excercising choice" between "democrats and republicans" (but really just moving between alternating brands of conservative, business oriented, profit driven, privatize everything under the sun system)
americans are behaving much like:
"the idiot -- who can be defined as one who makes the same mistake again and again, hoping for different results".
there should be a counterpart to the famous American IDOL show....
something that defines america MORE correctly:
"AMERICAN IDIOT".
Sioux Rose
TEDDY: A show like that would probably make a fortune! It would be the "American Idol" equivalent of searching for new comic talents... how many people think they are funny when they are beyond awful, their stupidity on naked display? I'll bet if you submitted that idea to Fox they'd consider it, and maybe pay you for the concept. What the heck? In fact, a version of "American Idiot" for the express purpose of marketing it to the global audience might be even more successful! It would be the virtual equivalent of allowing all those in the "peanut gallery" to throw the ball that sends the buffoon into the pool of waiting water (an attraction seen in those amusement park sideshows). That might be a psychic way to help defuse all the anger that citizens of other lands must justifiably feel towards those presently residing in the homeland security state.
Yes, and this reminds me of how corrupt unions operated in the NY building trades, with two gangs of thieves taking turns at throwing out the bums who were looting the pension fund.
Dennis K is the only hope but he will never be elected till we have "special interest groups"
Obama is a 1-term President. We'll be choosing another Presidential-Liar in 2012.
We'll be choosing another Liar-in-Chief unless Palin is the Republican nominee. Then Obama will be reelected regardless of what he does between now and then. If the powers that be do allow Palin to become the Republican nominee, that would indicate to me that it is all scripted, and that they have already chosen Obama because he has been such a compliant servant. I cannot imagine they would allow Palin to assume residence in the White House as they would want their puppet to maintain some credibility throughout the world. The corporate media could destroy Palin on any given day if given the word.
Exactly. Palin would be the laughing stock of the world. But she's looking less likely as a candidate, and now she's got her Fox gig.
I dunno, I'm sure that the Repubs can find someone even stupider than palin to run for the presidency. It doesn't matter, as - like others have noted - there is not a dime's worth of difference between the repubs and the dims. The usa is a one party state, with the illusion of having a 'democracy' or a 'republic' that is responsive to the people of the country. If it's in their interest (i.e. doesn't cost them money, or power) to listen to the people, they will. If, however, the demands of the population are too costly to the slaveowners/corporations than those demands will be ignored.
Welcome to Oceania.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength.
Time to drag out Mussolini's quote on democracies in support of Saturnalia's comment:
"Democratic regimes may be described as those under which the people are, from time to time, deluded into the belief that they exercise sovereignty, while all the time real sovereignty resides in and is exercised by other and sometimes irresponsible and secret forces. Democracy is a kingless regime infested by many kings who are sometimes more exclusive, tyrannical, and destructive than one, even if he be a tyrant. "
If that doesn't describe the situation we now find ourselves in, then NOTHING does...
Saturnalia January 13th, 2010 3:13 pm
Look into the "Democracy" "Republic" thing a little more, before you give up on everything.
I've not given up on anything, I'm not a yank.
I think it'll be interesting to see what comes out of the mess that is the usa. I now think that there is a maximum number of people in a country before the idea of democracy or a republican form of government is not going to be as effective.
The Rethugs will choose General David "The 'Savior' of Baghdad" Petraeus to run against Obama,and Petraeus will narrowly win, making our descent into a militarist police state complete.
the vote-catching con will be the idea of having a "Commander in Chief" who knows what he's doing.
this has been brewing for a few decades now.
@ kivals January 13th, 2010 2:43 pm: Excuse me, Kivals, but I have to disagree. I think there is, to my horror, a very good chance of Palin getting elected in 2012, depending on how many Dems and independents Obama pisses off by then. She could easily win in a low-turnout election, or sneak in with 30-some percent of the vote if Obama and a third party candidate/candidates divide up the rest of the vote. (Just look what happened in Canada -- hated conservative Harper stumbled into a second term as PM because the majority vote was spilt between three liberal parties.) If the 'string-pullers' really cared about credibility in the world do you really think King Junior would have lasted two terms? Palin is a malleable lump just waiting to be molded by the power elite and she'll do as she's told, despite the phony 'going rogue' maverick routine. She just misbehaved during McCain's disastrous campaign to draw more attention to herself.
Maybe, but I am thinking the PTB would find it more difficult to use her as an effective front person as she is incredibly egoistic, ill-informed, and lazy-minded (a step down even from W). And I think the corporate media could destroy her candidacy in a heartbeat if they wanted to do so. Given that Barry is such a wonderful front man, I don't see why they would take a chance on such a hopeless laughingstock.
I must agree with both kivals and RSJ....That sounds wishy washy. But both are valid perspectives.
I have saying the stage is being set for palin in 2012. And no one believes it. I think she is campaigning now. Getting polished and probably doing some homework and being coached.
I agree that obama could piss enough people off and on top of that. He has finally shown us that there is no difference between parties. Those who had hope in him, anyway. They feel foolish and ripped off now. There is a feeling of futility. Voting didn't change anything. Surprise. However.
If things go as they have been, people may not be motivated to vote against palin, because they don't think it will matter anyway.
Sioux Rose
READY: I think someone else will emerge in the nick of time. However, it's true that Palin is being groomed these days. The thing is, if she managed to become the first female president she would set back women's rights substantially. It's a total oxymoron, the gender equivalent of finally having an educated Black president, only to find that he does nothing to better the interests of Blacks, or citizens for the most part.
What happens is that these sell-outs darken the path for others who actually own integrity. They become the coinage, as it were. Citizens of the future could use Obama's incredible duplicity as an excuse NOT to vote for another Black candidate; just as women, society's maids and housekeepers for centuries, expected to clean up the messes will be easily blamed for them. And then, if Palin left things even "dirtier," it would become that much harder for a woman of real promise to be extended "that second chance" to occupy the Oval office. Hollywood has taught much to politicians in the way of grooming image while ignoring substance.
Excellent analysis, Sioux!
Cynicism becomes very self reinforcing. "Aren't we smart. We believe in nothing"
And it all ends there.....
Gerald Ford gave us Carter, Carter gave us Reagan, Bush Sr. gave us Clinton, Clinton gave us Bush Jr., and Obama shall deliver Palin in 2012, you can bet on it.
@ readytotransform January 13th, 2010 3:41 pm. You wrote: "I have saying the stage is being set for palin in 2012. And no one believes it. I think she is campaigning now."
If you caught the clip of the Hockey Momster's debut on Fox, Bill O'Reilly told her Fox would be her forum to repudiate 'smears' -- what most of us would call 'facts' -- being spread by the liberal media and blogosphere. So, as someone on TV put it, she's being paid by Fox to advance her own future political career. I don't think Rupert Murdoch would do that unless he planned to get a big return on his investment in Palin, like owning the president of the United States even more than he did Bush Junior.
JOn Stewart commented on this.....And you make a great point! It is inevitable.
Sioux Rose
KIVALS: I don't believe the electronic touch-screen voting machines that "gave" the 2004 (Ohio, in particular) election to Bush have ever been entirely done away with. The media, owned by so few corporations, will print the "news" they deem necessary to convince the voters, through straw polls or other faux instruments, of the (intended) winner.
We're offered two pre-vetted candidates, the integrity of the vote is itself fraudulent, and those agencies (the alleged 4th estate "free" press) that would act as watch dogs are too busy licking masters' feet. In other words, unless and until a seriously huge rebel body emerges as a compilation of all those who KNOW themselves to have been sold out (by losses to their home equity, losses to their 401Ks, usurous insurance rates, extortion as health care insurance, losses of their children's bodies, minds and health to war, fewer library open hours, worsening public services, even TV being an endless menu of dumbdown theatre and/or re-runs) band together... the election will once again take place like the political version of The Academy Awards, and those who still see life on exclusive binary terms, will choose A or B, not realizing C exists, or that A & B are really the same flavor, just dyed a slightly different outer hue.
You are right. If the corporate media somehow fails in its assigned task of determining the "winner," then the voting machine providers can surely step in to clean up the mess.
A Vote for Sheehan is 10 votes for Pelosi!
(Diebold motto)
I cannot see Palin in 2012. I think she has shot her bolt, and has pi$$ed off the conservatives with her money-grabbing and orchestrations to extend her 15 minutes of fame. Ditching the AK governorship in order to pursue a career in media did not go over well with conservatives. I believe the end of her political ambition will become painfully aware when she ascends the Fox News throne, when no amount of rehearsal and scripting will mask her incompetence.
Wanna know who I think we will see in 2012 (maybe in a bid for a NY Senate seat), and likely a presidential candidate in 2016? David Petreus.
Yea, you and ED may have hit on something there. Petraeus is one frightening MFer. As with Palin as the Republican nominee, most in the US would likely see an Obama victory as an escape from disaster, and would be perfectly willing to allow Barry to continue to serve Wall Street and the MIC, impoverishing the rest of us and dooming our economic future in the process. Furthermore, a Petraeus victory would not necessarily be forbidden by the PTB, as a Palin victory most likely would, and a President Petraeus would probably make our worst nightmares come true.
Good to hear your voice raised, Mr. Hentoff. I was beginning to be afraid that everyone had drunk the kool-aid. Yes, Obama is the spiritual, as well as the actual, successor to GWB. But as some have already noted there is now no difference between the parties - too much money and too much corruption.
We need to change the rules of the game: maybe it's time for a constitutional convention...
or a conventional constitution - one that is adhered to.
It's high time, as they used to say. Not only to get rid of the useless Congress, but to redefine the presidency to remove its imperial coloration.
Instead of serving fixed terms, the chief executive needs to become just that, no longer a source of policy - that's our job - but the supervisor of policy execution, as the title would suggest. The people decide what is to be done, the executive makes sure it does get done, efficiently and as promptly as the situation warrants.
If government were a corporation, the people would be the board of directors, the president the CEO. The board does and should not concern itself with details.
Hence the executive should serve at the pleasure of the people, subject to a vote of confidence. That way a really capable executive could be retained longer, but our control would be much tighter.
Indeed, if you find yourself always losing, changing the rules is rather obviously the thing to do. I just wish more of us had your good sense.
What,my Friend is the role of the Congress, Where, my friend is the voice of the people to be heard. The Legislature of Course. Remember 6th grade Civics, or mabe 4th grade Civics?
Craigdp
Somebody just had a real idea.
Good to have you back Nat.
Bad things by good people is just the same as bad things by bad people,if you get my drift.
I have been saying, for the past several days - "What will happen when the earthquakes start with a vehemence, in the continental u.s."? It was an intuitive thought i had.
I even went so far as to look up the siesmic activity over the previous week. I was thinking that we wouldn't be able to financially bail out. That would be the final straw. And there is no FEMA, as we all know. Just private contractors for disaster, as naomi klien so brilliantly speaks about.
Anyway. Yesterday's earthquake in Haiti felt very expected to me, because of my thinking and because i had seen there was a lot of seismic activity in that region of late.
I usually don't write in this vein. But i have a strong feeling......2010....Will be a very seismically active year for the u.s. Mr. Obama will be the president who resides at this time in our geological history. I expect no better than his predecesor. But all our money will be spent on our wars..........So.....
Sioux Rose
Ready: There is a profound eclipse (solar = new moon) in Capricorn on the 15th. Capricorn is the sign governed by Saturn, the "lord" of karma. Eclipses return to their exact same Zodiac position (think 360 degree dial) every 19 years making this week's eclipse the MATE to the one that occured JUST WHEN Bush, the first, started the Iraqi debacle. Harsh karmic events are evidently triggered by this configuration.
The Christmas tsunami several years ago took place with the sun in Capricorn and the moon nearly full in the opposing sign of Cancer. I believe the terrible earthquake that hit Afghanistan a year later also took place with sun or full moon in Capricorn. The Cancer-Capricorn axis seems to be very sensitive to major earth changes.
What is so hard to understand is why areas that are already depressed and/or impoverished get hit so hard? I can only conclude that at this Final Phase of The Piscean Age, (Pisces being the sign that emphasizes the need for compassion), these horrible events force a heightened empathy that spans the globe. All citizens moved to contribute out of their own bounty add to the "spirit of mankind's" account. On average, the low income person in America has a bounty compared to what people in Haiti and Afghanistan subsist upon. When I read about Haitian mothers giving their children "mud pies" because they had no food at all, it moved me. How is it that the "leaders" spend fortunes on bombs and soldiering, but give a pittance to the poor, to the mothers, to the children, while they chant "Right to life" and bow before the god they say is Jesus (or Moses), but in fact can be better equated with the Roman war god Mars. The greatest bankruptcy the modern world faces is of the spirit... as seen in what its leaders elect to buy and do with the gold that belongs to all citizens.
Sioux: Thank you for the astrological heads up. I was going to check out my ephemeris today at some point. But just to look at current aspects. Of course, i think earthquake/plutonian energy.
Pluto-saturn aspects of late is what i had in mind.
I also have wondered about Bangladesh, Haiti, etc. Why does it seem that certain geographical places get all of the natural disasters? I tend to agree with you. But it is so extreme.
I think the locations are in the process of shifting, as are the tectonic plates. As above, so below. In all ways and on all levels.
Sioux Rose
READY: If you can read an ephemeris, check out the 2nd half of May 2010. Saturn at 29 Virgo, Uranus-Jupiter at 29 Pisces. And check out the first week of August. Mars-Saturn at 1 Libra, opposing Uranus-Jupiter close to 1 Aries, with Pluto down the middle at 1-2 Capricorn. That is one kick-ass recipe for "shift happens," and that it takes place in the cardinal signs, those that mirror the 4 changes of season, is one of the astrological appetizers to the great changing of the guard... the singular line-up that anticipates the Mayan prophecies. What a "menu" it is!
This sounds very powerful! I will definitely check this out. Thank you!
I read the ephemeris like a novel. Can't help it. I started a long time ago.
Remember. I have pluto on the midheaven and scorpio rising!
Also check out *Directed energy weapons,HAARP & Nikolai Tesla
~Some people live their whole lives without ever waking up~
I just read that saturn was square pluto!
Sioux Rose
READY: On at least 3 occasions I explained the cardinal cross that's taking shape. Saturn square Pluto constituting only ONE of its inflamed "arms." You can read about it on my website. It's time-consuming to repeat the details; and a few get impatient when too much astrology is offered on these message boards. That's why I told you to check May and August, but from mid-May until mid-September, I think it's a very good bet that unexpected anomalous situations will pop up. Since Aries is one of the signs involved, new independent ventures and/or militias (or pretty unique forms of fighting back) are apt to be the rule, rather than exception during that highly unstable (to the old status quo) interim.
The reason why some areas are more prone to natural disasters is because they are located in areas of increased geological processes. No astrology, no faith, no bullshit. Just simple, old-fashioned physics that has been observed to occur over the past 4 billion years.
Earthquakes generally take place along tectonic plate boundaries. No mystery here.
Floods generally take place along major rivers running through flat plains, where the headwaters of the river are subjected to transient changes in weather patterns. Man has also a significant role here, by changing the path and volume of the river. No mystery here.
Sioux Rose
WTF: Total non-sequitur since I was discussing the TIMING of events; and anyone with a modicum of compassion would note the correspondence between some rather dramatic recent climate events and their impact on already poor and devastated populations. So you can take your sarcasm and shove it where the stars don't shine.
Well pardon me for breathing, but let us address your discussion of TIMING. You mention two catastrophic events and attempt to correlate with two events of astrological (but nothing else) significance. Two events do not define a trend.
There was a great article in EOS (24 Nov 2009) by Pieter Vermeesch who discusses the use (and abuse) of statistics, specifically the question of whether earthquake activity is unevenly distributed throughout the week, with higher seismicity observed on Sundays. He demonstrated that this hypothesis could be statistically significant, but it is not geologically significant. This is the trap that all faux-scientists fall into. The answer, of course, is that cultural noise is a minima on Sundays, and so there appears to be a peak in natural seismicity as it emerges from the background human-generated noise.
The reason why "impoverished people" seem to get hit by natural catastrophes is simply because they live in regions of increased geological activity. Plate tectonics tends to produce mountains, which generally have unpredictable weather patterns, shifting landscapes and low agricultural yield. This makes human communication, trade and economic growth very difficult. The most economically successful societies tend to settle in regions of low tectonic activity, simply because they are stable. Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs, Steel" will explain this concept more deeply for you.
If you want to discuss the significance of astrology in our lives, I am happy to go there. But to equate astrological significance to natural catastrophes and the subsequent suffering of vast populations is, well, religious, and has no place in modern discourse.
Sioux Rose
WTF: I studied geology on a college level and hardly require your sophomoric lecture on the subject. It is you who wants to square the circle, and expects me to conform my knowledge of how the "As above, so below" equation operates to suit your narrow metrics. Ain't gonna play your game. In your final paragraph, your first sentence is completely invalidated by the one that follows it. And the third, absurd since astrology has been seen as the ENEMY to organized patriarchal religion for centuries. Our lot was cast among the first heretics. Bother someone else with your penchant for missing the forest for the trees. I have no interest in conversing with you further.We speak different languages.