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Obama's Latest Use of 'Secrecy' to Shield Presidential Lawbreaking
What was once depicted as a grave act of lawlessness -- Bush's NSA program -- is now deemed a vital state secret.
The Obama administration has, yet again, asserted the broadest and most radical version of the "state secrets" privilege -- which previously caused so much controversy and turmoil among loyal Democrats (when used by Bush/Cheney) -- to attempt to block courts from ruling on the legality of the government's domestic surveillance activities. Obama did so again this past Friday -- just six weeks after the DOJ announced voluntary new internal guidelines which, it insisted, would prevent abuses of the state secrets privilege. Instead -- as predicted -- the DOJ continues to embrace the very same "state secrets" theories of the Bush administration -- which Democrats generally and Barack Obama specifically once vehemently condemned -- and is doing so in order literally to shield the President from judicial review or accountability when he is accused of breaking the law.
In the case of Shubert v. Bush, the Electronic Frontier Foundation represents numerous American citizens suing individual Bush officials, alleging that the Bush administration instituted a massive "dragnet" surveillance program whereby "the NSA intercepted (and continues to intercept) millions of phone calls and emails of ordinary Americans, with no connection to Al Qaeda, terrorism, or any foreign government" and that "the program monitors millions of calls and emails . . . entirely in the United States . . . without a warrant" (page 4). The lawsuit's central allegation is that the officials responsible for this program violated the Fourth Amendment and FISA and can be held accountable under the law for those illegal actions.
Rather than respond to the substance of the allegations, the Obama DOJ is instead insisting that courts are barred from considering the claims at all. Why? Because -- it asserted in a Motion to Dismiss it filed on Friday -- to allow the lawsuit to proceed under any circumstances -- no matter the safeguards imposed or specific documents excluded -- "would require the disclosure of highly classified NSA sources and methods about the TSP [Terrorist Surveillance Program] and other NSA activities" (page 8). According to the Obama administration, what were once leading examples of Bush's lawlessness and contempt for the Constitution -- namely, his illegal, warrantless domestic spying programs -- are now vital "state secrets" in America's War on Terror, such that courts are prohibited even from considering whether the Government was engaging in crimes when spying on Americans.
That was the principal authoritarian instrument used by Bush/Cheney to shield itself from judicial accountability, and it is now the instrument used by the Obama DOJ to do the same. Initially, consider this: if Obama's argument is true -- that national security would be severely damaged from any disclosures about the government's surveillance activities, even when criminal -- doesn't that mean that the Bush administration and its right-wing followers were correct all along when they insisted that The New York Times had damaged American national security by revealing the existence of the illegal NSA program? Isn't that the logical conclusion from Obama's claim that no court can adjudicate the legality of the program without making us Unsafe?
Beyond that, just consider the broader implications of what is going on here. Even after they announced their new internal guidelines with great fanfare, the Obama administration is explicitly arguing that the President can break the law with impunity -- can commit crimes -- when it comes to domestic surveillance because our surveillance programs are so secret that national security will be harmed if courts are permitted to adjudicate their legality. As EFF put it last July (emphasis in original), government officials:
seek to transform a limited, common law evidentiary into sweeping immunity for their own unlawful conduct. . . . [They] would sweep away these vital constitutional principles with the stroke of a declaration, arrogating to themselves the right to immunize any criminal or unconstitutional conduct in the name of national security. . . .
For that reason, as EFF pointedly noted the last time the Obama DOJ sought to compel dismissal based on this claim: "defendants' motion is even more frightening than the conduct alleged in the Amended Complaint." Think about that argument: the Obama DOJ's secrecy and immunity theories are even more threatening than the illegal domestic spying programs they seek to protect. Why? As EFF explains (click image to enlarge)
Can anyone deny that's true? If the President can simply use "secrecy" claims to block courts from ruling on whether he broke the law, then what checks or limits exist on the President's power to spy illegally on Americans or commit other crimes in a classified setting? By definition, there are none. That's what made this distortion of the "state secrets" privilege so dangerous when Bush used it, and it's what makes it so dangerous now. Back in April, 2006 -- a mere four months after the illegal NSA program was first revealed, and right after Bush had asserted "state secrets" to block any judicial inquiry into the NSA program -- here is what I wrote about the Bush administration's use of the "state secrets" privilege as a means of blocking entire lawsuits rather than limiting the use of specific classified documents:
[Q]uite unsurprisingly, the Bush administration loves this doctrine, as it is so consistent with its monarchical view of presidential infallibility, and the administration has become the most aggressive and enthusiastic user of this doctrine . . . . As the Chicago Tribune detailed last year, the administration has also used this doctrine repeatedly to obstruct any judicial proceedings designed to investigate its torture and rendition policies, among others . . . . This administration endlessly searches out obscure legal doctrines or new legal theories which have one purpose -- to eradicate limits on presidential power and to increase the President's ability to prevent disclosure of all but the most innocuous and meaningless information.
That was the prevailing, consensus view at the time among Democrats, progressives and civil libertarians regarding Bush's use of the state secrets privilege: that the privilege was being used to exclude the President from the rule of law by seeking to preclude judicial examination of his conduct. Plainly, Obama is now doing the same exact thing -- not just to shield domestic surveillance programs from judicial review but also torture and renditions. Is there any conceivable, rational reason to view this differently? None that I can see.
Note, too, how this latest episode eviscerates many of the excuses made earlier this year by Obama supporters to justify this conduct. It was frequently claimed that these arguments were likely asserted by holdover Bush DOJ lawyers without the involvement of Obama officials -- but under the new DOJ guidelines, the Attorney General must personally approve of any state secrets assertions, and Eric Holder himself confirmed in a Press Release on Friday that he did so here. Alternatively, it was often claimed that Obama was only asserting these Bush-replicating theories because he secretly hoped to lose in court and thus magnanimously gift us with good precedent -- but the Obama administration has repeatedly lost in court on these theories and then engaged in extraordinary efforts to destroy those good precedents, including by inducing the full appellate court to vacate the decisions or even threatening to defy the court orders compelling disclosure. No rational person can continue to maintain those excuses.
Is there any doubt at this point that, as TalkingPointsMemo put it in a headline: "Obama Mimics Bush on State Secrets"? Or can anyone dispute what EFF's Kevin Bankston told ABC News after the latest filing from the Obama DOJ:
The Obama administration has essentially adopted the position of the Bush administration in these cases, even though candidate Obama was incredibly critical of both the warrantless wiretapping program and the Bush administration's abuse of the state secrets privilege.
Extreme secrecy wasn't an ancillary aspect of the progressive critique of Bush/Cheney; it was central, as it was secrecy that enabled all the other abuses. More to the point, the secrecy claims being asserted here are not merely about hiding illegal government conduct; worse, they are designed to shield executive officials from accountability for lawbreaking. As the ACLU's Ben Wizner put it about the Obama DOJ's attempt to use the doctrine to bar torture victims from having a day in court: "This case is not about secrecy. It's about immunity from accountability." That's what Obama is supporting: "immunity from accountability."
What makes this most recent episode particularly appalling is that the program which Obama is seeking to protect here -- the illegal Bush/Cheney NSA surveillance scheme -- was once depicted as a grave threat to the Constitution and the ultimate expression of lawlessness. Yet now, Obama insists that the very same program is such an important "state secret" that no court can even adjudicate whether the law was broken. When Democrats voted to immunize lawbreaking telecoms last year, they repeatedly justified that by stressing that Bush officials themselves were not immunized and would therefore remain accountable under the law. Obama himself, when trying to placate angry supporters over his vote for telecom immunity, said this about the bill he supported:
I wouldn't have drafted the legislation like this, and it does not resolve all of the concerns that we have about President Bush's abuse of executive power. It grants retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that may have violated the law by cooperating with the Bush administration's program of warrantless wiretapping. This potentially weakens the deterrent effect of the law and removes an important tool for the American people to demand accountability for past abuses.
Yet here is Obama doing exactly the opposite of those claims and assurances: namely, he's now (a) seeking to immunize not only telecoms, but also Bush officials, from judicial review; (b) demanding that courts be barred from considering the legality of NSA surveillance programs under any circumstances; and (c) attempting to institutionalize the broadest claims of presidential immunity imaginable via radically broad secrecy claims. To do so, he's violating virtually everything he ever said about such matters when he was Senator Obama and Candidate Obama. And he's relying on the very same theories of executive immunity and secrecy that -- under a Republican President -- sparked so much purported outrage. If nothing else, this latest episode underscores the ongoing need for Congressional Democrats to proceed with proposed legislation to impose meaningful limits and oversight on the President's ability to use this power, as this President, just like the last one, has left no doubt about his willingness to abuse it for ignoble ends.




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Show AllLet the rationalizations begin:
1. Barack must know something that we don't. He must have some sort of intelligence from the CIA showing that this is necessary. The civil liberties extremists need to get with the program.
2. Barack really didn't want to, but he HAD to! The Republicans would have called him weak on national security if he didn't.
3. Barack's a genius. This is all part of his grand strategy that we don't and can't possibly understand, and it will all come up roses in the end. It must be. Look at what a great campaign he ran for President. He's playing 11-dimensional chess while we can only hope to play checkers!
4. Barack isn't really doing this. It's being misunderstood by the left-wing purists who want to attack him every chance they can. Why don't they go vote for Nader?
5. Barack's a Good Man. Can't you see what a Good Man he is? He would NEVER abuse his power.
Excellent. You're quoting the best of the best of the Obama-bots. All you have to do is change the issue. I can't wait to hear what these apologists have to say on January 20, 2010.
Here is a quote that I listed elsewhere that I came across this morning from an adoring Obama-bot:
"How nice. A POTUS and FLOTUS of the people, for the people and by the people."
There are days when I wish I was this delusional. I would have less headaches and I would feel less sick most of the time over the condition of this country, and outside of signing petitions, writing letters and making phone calls I don't know what I can do. I live paycheck to paycheck and just trying to survive (not live) like so many others.
I know that it is easy to allow ourselves believe that the battle is over and that we lost, but we must never give up trying. I have friends who tell me why bother to fight when there is nothing that we can do. I tell them we must still fight because if we give up trying than we would have just given them the victory. I don't like to loose without even trying to win.
There are things that we can do. We can continue to spread the word that we need real election campaign reform, we need to develop and build a true Progressive party and that the Green Party has a strong foundation to build on, we can continue to write, email and phone our eleceted officals and let them know that we the American people are not just going to lay down without a fight, and most important we must have the courage to speak the truth, stand for the truth, and to make our elected officials give an accounting for their actions. We must value honesty and make those elected officals who lie give an account for every single lie they tell to get elected. We need to be smart and most important we need to not give up trying to save this country from the destructive path we are on. Like that little ant we need to keep trying to climb that rubber tree plant and not give up our high hopes. The children today deserve that we roll up our sleeves and fight for their future with our whole hearts and souls.
chrisy58,
I like the way you think and your passion, esp. the last line.
Sioux Rose
VA GREEN: Allow me to add another. A few days ago a man I once deeply respected (a lawyer) called and I said to him, "Still tooting Obama's horn?" He countered by stating, "Hey, the man won the Nobel Peace Prize." I countered that he should not have, given the military budget and evidence towards an escalation of conflict in Afghanistan. He responded that the Nobel Committee were probably wiser judges than I was (of OBama's plans, priorities, & agenda).
So, it would seem that the Nobel Prize lends yet another layer of cover, better than a costume, it grants a sense of impunity to Obama. I am just amazed at how intelligent, educated types are completely unaware of the degree to which Obama's policies match lock-step with those of Bush. They hear words like "Obama is closing the offshore prison camps," and believe the words of HOPE. As we all know in this forum, actual events are NOT being aired on "the news" and the prolific voices of hate radio are completely confusing their audiences, when not drumming up a dangerous atmosphere of generic hate for "other." Smoke and mirrors meets the Roman arena in a new 21st century hybridized model.
SR, I won't try to rehash my usual assortment of zingers about Obama's Nobel Prize-- except to say that they apparently fall into two broad types: "No Hard Feelings" to war criminals like Kissinger, and "You're a Good Kid!"-- I've likened the Nobel Committee to a doting grandparent on a porch rocker, who impulsively calls over a passing grandchild, gives them such a PINCH, and stuffs a little geld into the grandchild's palm.
Your lawyer friend confirms and validates the immediate criticism to the pious and optimistic claim that the prize was given to reward Obama for his "promise", or potential, and that it gently "forced the issue" by pressuring Obama to live up to its high principles.
On the contrary, critics countered-- by giving Obama the award up front, it simply confirmed Obama's reputation as a statesman and Man of Peace. Or at least gave his supporters a pretext for doing so. It's a badly-needed "win", a Feather in His Cap. It doesn't necessarily influence a damn thing.
To the straw-person who might solemnly assert, "Oh, but it certainly DOES influence Obama's CONSCIENCE!" I merely repeat the previous sentence.
What are they going to do, ask for it back?
So... thanks for validating, as they say.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Henry Kissenger won a Nobel Peace Prize. Anybody who lends any cred to the Nobel outfit needs to start eating anti-denial drugs post haste. I work with a lot of lawyers, engineers and other members of established "professions" and they are more prone to groupthink than those of us who operate where the rubber meets the road and practical application takes precedence over theory.
Sioux Rose
RAY: I think you nailed it. I have always been the type of person, even in grade school, who did NOT belong to any clique. I chose my friends from various groups but never gave "allegiance" to any one. It amazes me what this "groupthink" thing does to persons, even otherwise intelligent ones. There is a fear of being shunned, cast aside, or exiled. That fear of no longer "belonging" to a group with which one wishes (or needs) to identify seems substantial enough in many to have them give up their true autonomy.
OBEDIENT SERVANT: Thank you for your post. I used to think that particular lawyer was a genius. He bragged to me how he got all the law school "book awards" and graduated tops in his class. He has read Casteneda, Ouspensky, Gurdieff (spelling?) and studied martial arts, and he even lived in a tree house for a while! I thought he was the coolest guy! His opinion of Obama and his take on other news items makes me wonder if he lost brain cells due to the liquid lunches of his past, or just is too lazy to really study the issues from beneath the level of surface appearances.
One of my favorite metaphysical thinkers, Emmet Fox, defined mainstream thought witih all its negative focus on hatred, war, disease, poverty, etc as "The race mind." He did not use the term race the way we ordinarily think of it. It was more a sort of substream of the HUMAN race that, like water seeking its own lowest level, tends to fall into group think of the most insidious sort. Fox made it a point to teach students to reflect upon their own thought process, and the seer Edgar Cayce related a similar teaching in that ultimately "the mind is builder," and where a mind "parks its thoughts" tends to become its permanent "location."
This forum has a refreshing number of truly independent thinkers, and for that reason alone, I suspect some of "the watchers" are indeed observing any consensus or plans we engender.
Great summary of what the Obamabots have in store for us up until 2012 or 2016 depending upon whether or not Obama gets a second term from all this. There's no reasoning with them come as they are.
Ok, would someone _please_ explain this to me? I feel like I come from another planet or something. How can these people be so delusional?? Recently I've been trying to talk to a guy who organized political actions against the Iraq war, a guy who's got a PhD in physics from one of the best universities on the planet, who comes from an immigrant family (an so has some sense that there is a world outside of the boundaries of this country), and ... who becomes _completely_ irrational around this issue. I'm really totally at a loss. If someone could explain it to me, I would be eternally in their debt.
Please.
Thanks.
I should think that the very first step in creating national integrity is doing away with ANY information being "classified."
NO MORE SECRETS!!!!!
YES! Right to the heart of it, donnalou!
donnalou: I agree, as our corrupt government officials have been hiding behind this non sequitur for too many years. 99% of the time, whan files are classified and redacted and these lying, corrupt, government officials say it is because of national security, it is because they have something to hide. What they really mean is: it is not our national security they are worried about, but their national security!
One has to wonder how long it will be before the United States begins to duplicate England's draconian surveillance system where it seems that everyone is being watched in that country on closed circuit TV [CCTV]. Just as "Obama Mimics Bush on State Secrets", as the article notes, Obama appears to be doing his best in duplicating Bush's foreign policies also. Have Obama's supporters finally begun to express buyer's remorse? Not judging by the bumper stickers on the many vehicles that I see when I drive into the neighboring liberal town each week when I do my grocery shopping that have an OBAMA/BIDEN 08 sticker and next to that another one which proclaims WAGE PEACE.
Where is the change that was promised by Obama? All the speech making and the promises appear to have been a charade designed to once again fool a gullible public by another slick politician. Liberals advise people to give the new president the "benefit of the doubt" as their liberties are taken away and children and grandmothers are slaughtered in third world countries. Not quite the change, it would seem, that one can believe in.
However, the CCTV is fully visible and only in public places where most people know not to pick their noses or spit on the sidewalk anyway, and of course, in supermarkets, banks, airports and so on--as we have had here for years if not decades. That's not to say I like it but I consider the routine eavesdropping on all our private electronic communications without our knowledge or warrant, and the filing away of that stuff "for a rainy day" far more threatening. It's also absolutely in contravention of the Constitution.
An IGNOBLE PRIZE indeed; Obama should open the Company Gates TO TOTAL TRANSPARENCY, instead (if he's anything but a hyperbolic hypocrite, preaching the mendacity of hype)!
Obamacain serves the same masters as did Bush & Co.
Its become quite apparent at this point that this administration has a callous and corrupt disregard for this country and its citizens.
The stench of Chicago style politics is permeating this White House and the appointments and positions being sold (want an Ambassadorship? Raise enough money and its yours! Just check his appointments)is no different than before.
Transparency, 5 days before signing a bill, no lobbyists, close Gitmo, get our kids out of Iraq, end corruption in government, health care, no taxes anyone making under $250,000.........on and on.....one broken promise after another.
No leadership.
No Foreign Policy
No Trade Policy
No Tax Policy, except raise them
No Domestic Policy but raising taxes
It is sickening to watch this President and this Congress betray our country and its citizens, but that is exactly what they are doing.
God Bless America, we are going to need it.
Thank you, RichM.
You have summed up Americans' shallowness and lack of critical-thinking in electing Obama.
People - no more lawyers, millionaires or harvard graduates for President!
Vote for a consistent pattern of integrity and tenacity in votes for the people.
Dennis Kucinich 2012.
Bring America Back !!!!.!!.Yep, Sue1403, I would agree that Kucinich appears to have the moral integrity, fiber, honesty and guts that we thought Obama had !!!
****We need to encourage Kucinich to declare NOW, differentiate himself from Obama
and, with our support and a 3 year headstart, push him into the White House, and
push Team Obama Out !!!!!!!!!!!! Thats the trick !!!!
TruthKnoller,
Dennis Kucinich HAS differentiated himself from Obama, consistently as representative for Cleveland, as a member of Congress, as a compassionate human being on this earth.
You are right, we do need to push him into the White House. Fighting for him is fighting for ALL of us.
The best thing we can do is for US to declare NOW OUR support for Dennis.
Dennis HAS declared his support for the people.
Now WE need to show our support for him.
Forget about contributing to self-named "progressive" organizations.
Contribute to Dennis Kucinich NOW.
And keep talking in SUPPORT of Dennis Kucinich.
He keeps supporting US on CSPAN, on MSNBC, in Congress.
DENNIS KUCINICH HAS proven himself to us in his votes, not just words.
Let's prove OURSELVES to him.
Jeevee
EXACTLY THE POINT: DENNIS PROVES HIMSELF NOT ONLY IN WORDS BUT IN VOTES!!!
Please please don't do it again. I've heard this same record before. Same words. Everything. It's stuck. Do you think all the sudden the power elite is going to roll over? That the marginalization machine will start sputtering? That most Democrats won't say again, "Well, he can't win. We had better go with someone who can?" That the system exemplified by the Dems will say to progressives, "OK, you win"?
Don't get me wrong. I admire Kucinich's principled stands, but he is a liability in building a truly progressive party *that is not part of and engulfed by the Corporate Party*. I've mentioned before that in my area, Kucinich pulled 20% or so folks off the Green Party rolls. And for what purpose? Most of them didn't come back and they're priming themselves to do the same thing again.
A progressive party needs to be *built*. It won't happen if people continue to pull the rug out from under it.
If Dennis wants to be a Green, we'll welcome him with open arms, but he seems to have no inclination to try something new. Hope he is not getting used to his gadfly role with the Dems.
Good satire Rich, but the politically conned and braindead BO supporters will take you literally. I wrote a similar more subtle satire just after BO took office and was taken literally by some posters, but lets hope more are finally waking up to how they have been deceived by the frenzy of perjoratives thrown at third party candidates and their supporters by the dems such as: the lessor of two evils; wasting your vote; a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for McCain; Nader cost Gore the election last time...ect.
Bring America Back !!!!.........!...Your Sarcasm Rules, RichM, well done !
The AUDACITY OF what you say, i HOPE you know that YES if WE are not careful we may end up in the CAN.
Nice one!
I owe you a coffee for starting my day off with the best laugh I've had this week! Thanks RM!!
Thanks for the satire RichM. It was laughable enough when the Obamabots would say all this but I like your sense of humor. :)
Because he's a Democrat, and because so many former civil libertarians feel so safe now that Obama's in office, most formerly progressive, at least somewhat politically aware people have now turned a blind eye from what Obama's really doing. This makes him far more dangerous than McCain would have been. And I wonder if McCain would have made the same arguments.
Brace yourselves, Friedman's shock and awe rooster is coming home to roost in a much more consequential way than a mere "economic downturn". Listen closely to NPR's (the new VOA) careful titration of this bitter reality as they "objectively" parrot the best of Friedman's disciples along with AEI's best thinkers who conceived the Project for a New American Century.
Obama, the "free market guy" intends to accomplish, once and for all, what Bush was too incompetent to pull off in eight years. And after all, something this radical is going to take a little more time.
First, they'll need to separate out the thinkers from the rest of an impoverished muddle amerika, and for that, they'll need full spectrum surveillance.
"Listen closely to NPR's (the new VOA) careful titration of this bitter reality as they "objectively" parrot the best of Friedman's disciples along with AEI's best thinkers who conceived the Project for a New American Century."
Yes. Been meaning to say it but wasn't sure where to fit it in. It's true. A person doesn't even have to listen very closely to get kind of a sick feeling. But paying more attention, the basis of the queasiness becomes clear.
I was creeped out by Obama from the get-go. The behavior of his fans alone pretty much gave the game away.
Consider this article from June 17, 2008, at a place called Newsvine. Its claims support my strong impression that the progressive blogs got gamed by the Obama camp during the primaries:
Obama's Unprecedented Attack on Free Speech - Mechanisms and Results [Supplemented]
"For many months now, Obama has run a campaign that has as its centerpiece the control and manipulation of the media, and the elimination of free speech. This began as a methodology designed to control the Internet. And moved to the main stream media very quickly.
"The principle voiced by the Obama campaign is and was that the media must report what it wants to report and the way that it wants the media to report the "news." This includes opinion, which was to be and has been written in one way with the other ways attacked continuously by what could be a group of hired and independent writers.
"Taking their cue from totalitarian regimes, Obama developed his own propaganda arm which spewed facts and figures to the media and made false claims designed to keep controversial issues dealing with the candidate off of the main stream media. At the same time, Obama attacked in merciless ways those who voiced opposition on various Internet systems and sources, including the media who dared to question him, and has now stopped debates in favor of tuning his message against McCain again with the help of completely compliant media."
http://politicalcenter.newsvine.com/_news/2008/06/17/1519881-obamas-unprecedented-attack-on-free-speech-mechanisms-and-results-supplemented
Whoops. Here's the full link:
http://politicalcenter.newsvine.com/_news/2008/06/17/
1519881-obamas-unprecedented-attack-on-free-speech-mechanisms-and-results-supplemented
Yes Perry, Hillary voted against FISA but she would have most likely voted for it too had she been the nominee. Lust for power can create so much cowardice and animosity.
Jennifer: "would have most likely" is not how history proceeds. Your guessing is pathetic.
There are pols who play politics for their own ends and Hillary is one of them. Go look up her record and then try telling me that my guessing is pathetic. Don't tell me you are a Hillary Clinton apologist.
Obama could be letting this happen so that congress will act first, then he can safely endorse their actions without endangering his conservative backing. He will appear hesitant to appease the Big Money right wing. If this is the case, it is a good chess move. If not, we can worry.
ezeflyer
"Obama could be letting this happen so that congress will act first..."
ya sure, see VAGreen below "Let the rationalizations begin:..."
ezeflyer 1:32 ---------
Obama is not letting something happen ,
He is ACTIVELY and CONSTANTLY IMPEDING JUSTICE and the JUDICIAL SYSTEM
If the Bomber were to passively let the scenario play out that would probably result in justice.
The Bomber is using ALL of HIS POWER, short of troops, to INSURE CONTINUED CRIMINALTY
Are you really blind to this obvious truth?
"The Bomber is using ALL of HIS POWER, short of troops, to INSURE CONTINUED CRIMINALITY."
Don't be so sure abut the "short of troops." NorthCom has seconded combat brigades rotating back from Iraq. They are being trained in "suppression of civil dissent" using the most scientific methods of crowd control the world has ever seen. Some of this equipment is apparently being field tested against demonstrations by certain police forces.
There is the "pain ray" which boils the subcutaneous moisture in the body causing unendurable pain and possibly injury or death. There is the sound projector which was used in, I believe, Philadelphia. There is much more, chemical and physical for the same purpose.
Then, the KBR no-bid concentration camps. The camps are ready, the military and cops are ready.
Are you?
An abyss of fawning idiocy so specious it is undeserving of a response, considered or otherwise. –(Jill Bains)
The moment Obama broke his promise on FISA last year on the campaign trail by not only choosing not to filibuster it but also voting in favor of it was the day it became obvious that Obama would continue Dubya's lawbreaking behavior. Ralph Nader, Cynthia Mckinney, and even Bob Barr tried to offer disappointed Obama fans and disappointed voters in general a choice but voters still chose mainly between two pro-FISA shills, Obama and Mccain. I'm not surprised.
Bring America Back !!!!
****It just cannot be over-emphasized that Team Obama is delivering to us the Third Term of Bush/Cheney !! King
George and Prince Dick could not do it any better !
****All during the campaign Obama and wife Michelle kept
reminding us that they came up thru the Shady Gang system of Chicago Politics--guess that is emulated in the person of
Rahm Emanuel.
****On Secrecy, I recommend John Dean's book " Worse Than
Watergate", & his commentary on Team Bush. Only thing Republicans learned from Watergate was how to do it again,
but only better--and to get away with it, as they did, and
are still doing in the persona of Barak Obama !
***We can trust Greenwald to keep us posted on Team Obama's
penchant for Secrecy and Power exercised outside the vision of the people of the USA !!
Team Obama is a total failure at the purposes for which we
elected it !!!
############## IT'S THE ANTI-LINCOLN!!! ###########
the first one freed the enslaved population, the 2nd one enslaved the entire population. and now you have no privacy of any kind any more ever again...ahh yes, the slavery of freedom and the freedom of slavery...to be without will, to freely surrender to the overwhelming wave of release in obedience...
pluck the magic twanger froggy, hiya kids hiya! hiya!
...and so it goes...
On my web site you can read about my experience over the last three and a half years - www.theintrovertspeaks.com. Or you can go to www.trackedinamerica.org and see how throughout our history America has put innocent people under surveillance. My own conclusion about my own conspicuous surveillance which has included the participation of first responders and an army of citizens using red cars, red trucks, wearing carrying red (George Bush's secret TIPS program?) - which includes the use of dogs to intimidate, which uses "social isolation" as it gets neighbors to participate (read accounts of the CONTELPRO program of the 60's and 70's to see how they got the participation of parents, employers, landlords, school officials etc), which is engineered to psychologically torture using double-binds, which uses noise, which uses sleep deprivation -which uses some of the same tactics used in the counterterrorism detention and interrogation activities (I call it torture-lite) - which as I show on my website violates provisions of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights - my conclusion after suffering all these for over three and a half years - is that Congress is incapable of oversight as it has illustrated again and again throughout our history, court cases are temporary fixes, Committees like the Church Committee are temporary fixes - we need a Department of Civil Liberties. Only a permanent, strong, cabinet level department would be there day in and day out to counterbalance the tremendous power of the imperial presidency, the defense department, the department of justice, and our own intelligence agencies who have shown again and again they cannot be trusted.
Jeevee
Very impressive.
As long as Congress chooses not to do its duty of holding the president accountable for lawbreaking and as long as there is not enough participation from people to make Congress do its job, what do you expect? I contacted both my senators and congressman about this issue before. Why not the rest of you do the same and quit complaining?
So Shawn, what have your senators and congressman done in response to your call to them?
Problem solved?
Sorry, that's not enough.
We have been told "it's off the table", "it was never up for discussion", etc. by our "representatives".
Call if you like but I figured out awhile ago that they just don't care. When you do call, though, I hope you are telling them they've lost your vote.
I'm not giving up but I reserve my opinions, comments, suggestions for people who do care and are willing to speak up, like those on these blogs.
People have a right to free speech the last time I looked.
Anyone can voice their opinion, including you.
Shawn please think about my analogy before you reply.
The issues here are not ones of degrees or policies they are of obeying the law or breaking the law and destroying the Constitution.
There is only one choice in these matters it is to be a criminal or to be law abiding.
Take this example:
Your DA murders someone in cold blood.
The Police do not arrest the DA.
The residents are in a uproar and complain to everyone in sight ( I am sure the vast majority of CD posters have berated their representative many many times, but as is painfully obvious to no positive result, take a survey if you disagree) back to the analogy:
The DA continues on a crimespree and the police continue to actually support it and the residents continue to aggitate.
Who is at Fault, who is Responsible and Who must change????
The innocent Residents ( read citizens) ????