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Will Israel Ensure That History Repeats Itself?
The lead-up to the first U.S.-Iran talks in three decades saw a replay of the same modus operandi that induced the U.S. and its allies to invade Iraq in March 2003. Then as now, the invasion of Iran is consistent with a regime change agenda for Greater Israel described in a 1996 strategy document prepared by Jewish-Americans for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
As with Iraq, the threat of weapons of mass destruction is again marketed as a causa belli. As with Iraq, the claim is disputed by weapons inspectors and intelligence analysts. The Iraqi program had been shut down a dozen years before the invasion. In Iran, there is no evidence that uranium is being enriched beyond the low levels required for energy and medical purposes.
Reports of a “secret” processing plant failed to note that Iran suspended uranium enrichment from 2003 until 2005. Seeing no change in the political climate except more sanctions and more Israeli threats to bomb its nuclear sites, Iran began building and equipping a new facility.
As with Iraq, there is no direct threat to the U.S. As with Iraq, mainstream U.S. media focused not on Israel—the only nation in the region known to have nuclear weapons—but on Iran. Enrichment is relatively easy compared to the steps required to design, build and reliably deliver a nuclear warhead. Activity around each of those steps can be readily detected.
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates acknowledged that even if Iran were attacked, that does nothing to alter Iran’s nuclear prospects—except provoke them to develop the very weapons that the evidence suggests are not now being produced. Is this a calculated move to exert pressure on Tehran? Or to provoke them? Or is this a move by Washington to buy time from an “ally” that threatens an attack—with disastrous effects on U.S. interests and those of its genuine allies?
To catalyze a climate of insecurity among Jews, pro-Israelis periodically claim that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad proposes to “wipe Israel off the map.” A correct translation confirms that what he urged is that “this occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the pages of time.” Akin to the widely sought demise of the oppressive Soviet regime, that proposal enjoys the support of many moderate, secular and non-Zionist Jews who have long recognized the threat that Jewish extremists pose to the broader Jewish community.
No one can explain why Iran, even if nuclear armed, would attack Israel with its vast nuclear arsenal estimated at 200-400 warheads, including several nuclear-armed submarines. In mid-July, Israeli warships deployed to the Red Sea to rehearse attacks on Iran. As in the lead-up to war with Iraq, former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz is again beating the war drums. This is the same adviser who, four days after 9-11, advised G.W. Bush to invade Iraq.
Citing Iran’s “covert” facility, Wolfowitz claims it is “clear that Iran’s rulers are pursuing nuclear weapons.…Time is running out.” Without a hint of irony, he argues that Iran (not Israel) “is a crucial test of whether the path to a nuclear-free world is a realistic one or simply a dangerous pipe dream.” In calling for “crippling sanctions,” Howard Berman, Jewish chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, expressed similar concerns as did Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, senior Republican on the Committee and also Jewish.
If pro-Israelis cannot induce a war with Iran, the ensuing stability will enable people to identify who fixed the intelligence that deceived the U.S. to invade Iraq. Only one nation possesses the means, motive, opportunity and stable nation state intelligence to mount a covert operation over the lengthy period required to pre-stage, staff, orchestrate and successfully cover-up such an act.
The evidence points to the same network of government insiders and media proponents now hyping Iran. Who benefitted from war with Iraq? Who benefits from war with Iran? Not the U.S. or its allies unless, despite the evidence, Israel is viewed as an ally–rather than an enemy within.
Can the U.S. Muster a Breakthrough Strategy?
Like Afghanistan, Iran does not have a military solution. Nor does Iraq. Geopolitically, the greatest casualty of war in the region was the United States – its credibility tattered, its military overextended and its finances devastated by a debt-financed war that Nobel laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz projects could reach $3,000 billion. Compare that with the speedy exit and a $50 billion outlay that Wolfowitz assured policy-makers could be recovered from sales of Iraqi oil.
Those who induced that invasion persuaded Americans to commit economic and geopolitical hari-kari. No external force could have defeated the sole remaining super power. Instead the U.S. was deceived—by a purported ally—to defeat itself by an ill-advised reaction to the provocation of a mass murder on U.S. soil.
The only sensible and sustainable solution is one that serves unmet needs in the region while also restoring the credibility of the U.S. as a proponent of informed choice and free enterprise. While making transparent the common source of the deceit that induced the U.S. to war, policy-makers can also lay the foundation to preclude such duplicity in the future. That requires consultation among the U.S., its true allies and those nations in the region most affected by this treachery.
Only a design solution can counter today’s systemic sources of conflict, including the extremism fueled by extremes in education, opportunity, wealth and income. As with the fixed intelligence that induced the U.S. to war in Iraq, those sources of conflict are obscured by a compliant and complicit media with an undisclosed pro-Israeli bias.
A transnational network of think tanks could expose in real time how facts are displaced by what “the mark” can be deceived to believe. With the media dominance of pro-Israelis in the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Germany and other Western allies, that task must include the capacity to show how this deceit operates in plain sight yet, to date, with impunity. Absent such transparency, systems of governance reliant on informed consent will continue to be manipulated to their detriment by those who hide behind the very freedoms that such systems are meant to protect.
Running parallel with that transparency initiative must be an education program that deploys the best available technology to close the gaps in learning that sustain extremes in opportunity. Only a truly international effort can succeed in that essential task. Only trans-cultural education can preempt the mental manipulation that induced war in Iraq and now pursues war with Iran as proponents of The Clash of Civilizations gradually transform that concept into a reality.
What we now see emerging is yet another example of how wars are induced in the Information Age. Why would anyone expect modern warfare to be waged in any other way? As the common source of this duplicity becomes transparent, the solution will become apparent.
Lasting peace requires a Marshall Plan able to accelerate the transition to the Knowledge Society. This systemic challenge cannot be addressed absent a systemic strategy. The restoration of friendly and cooperative relations must include the practical steps required to heal this widening divide with education at the core.



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Show AllThe best thing this country could do would be to end the "special relationship" with Israel; as I see it, it's outmoded and is taking us down the road to ruin.
Entangling alliances will be the wreck of this country sooner or later if we don't end them.
As many of us have noted previously on this site, none of our problems can be addressed until we get the mainstream media out of the hands of a few large corporations. Until that happens, Israel will continue to be the scourge of humanity.
q
[because under the US system of socio-political organization, there is simply no such thing as taking away the franchise of large corporations.]
Perhaps not, but there has been one example of breaking up large monopolies. Didn't Teddy Roosevelt (?) introduce trust busting legislation? I don't think Obama is about to emulate either Teddy or Frankie, but that doesn't mean you can't force him to break up the companies of today which are 'too big to fail'. There is an argument that 'too big to fail' should mean 'too big to exist', but we'll not read those articles in the MSM.
Yeah, TR started busting a few, well selected trusts. But it was his hand picked successor--Taft--that was the real buster of trusts, much to the dismay of TR, who railed against his former pupil, and then proposed his New Nationalism in the speech linked here, http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/trnationalismspeech.html perhaps the most radical speech made by a US politician ever; an excerpt:
"Those who oppose all reform will do well to remember that ruin in its worst form is inevitable if our national life brings us nothing better than swollen fortunes for the few and the triumph in both politics and business of a sordid and selfish materialism."
Re RichM October 23rd, 2009 1:07 pm,
who despairs of our ever again getting the media to fulfil their proper Jeffersonian role:
Nobody said it would be easy, but I think there's a way. Revelations about the use of "media force multipliers" in preparing the public for invading Iraq seem to be falling on fertile ground; at the same time, we hear that similar self-serving shenanigans were perpetrated by the business beat---happy talk for months on the tube while insiders were selling short.
Certainly all this should arouse some doubt as to motive. Could a groundswell of public opinion lead to a movement to strip the networks of their licenses based on charges of conspiracy to defraud?
Just a credible threat of such action might force concessions out of these seemingly omnipotent entities. Even if not, the conversation itself could prove salutary.
"Could a groundswell of public opinion lead to a movement to strip the networks of their licenses based on charges of conspiracy to defraud?"
-(Jethro Tullamore).
Putting this out as an open ended, conditional 'question' is at best problematic and really little more than 'faith' based. It assumes here is 'hope' when there is none.
There no longer exists in America a countervailing entity called "public opinion" that can jump start even incremental change against a staus quo which will not permit it. No one knows what 'public opinion' is because it has become a fiction that has no substantive power to effect change. That option has been obdurately foreclosed. It is better to recognize that.
That would certainly be "salutary" if it had the remotest possibility of attaining a critical mass where it could actually occur: It does not.
As it is, your overly benign postulation seems little more than wishful thinking that is predicated on a Pollyannish optimism; it erroneously assumes a level of political maturity in America which does not exist. In fact, the America where something like that could happen, does not exist.
The optimism for that belief is based on a superannuated concept that there even exists a 'popular will' in an America that responds to such essentially 'intellectual' entreaties as media reform. Perhaps in a collegiate poly-sci classroom can such arguments be made, but nothing of value can now be expressed through the directives of an American 'popular' will except a dismal variant of fascism. –(Jill Bains)
Re Amfortas wound October 23rd, 2009 10:15 pm
I'm a card-carrying member of the reality-based community, not the Pollyanna you imagine. I tried in my limited way to open a line of inquiry into the problem of media control---you do agree there's a problem, right?---and to propose a solution, rather than indulging in the despair and cynicism that are so popular on this site, and in which you seem to find a perverse satisfaction.
You state: "There no longer exists in America a countervailing entity called 'public opinion'..." If there were any truth to your assertion, the media would find it unnecessary to mold "public opinion" or whatever passes for it. Journalists would not have to be "embedded," polls would not "push," and displays of protest would not have to be buried on page 34C below the horoscopes, if indeed they're reported at all. Altering the course of public opinion is a multi-billion dollar industry, in case you hadn't noticed. Surely the ones spending all that money don't believe they're wasting it, even if you do.
Feel free to throw up your hands in polysyllabic futility, if that's how you validate your existence. Believing nothing can be done absolves one of the obligation to do anything, doesn't it? Suicide is always an option for the terminally pessimistic. I'm not there yet, so I'll continue to do what I do, regardless of whether it meets your standards. You may scroll past my posts in the future, and save us both a lot of unnecessary keystrokes.
Wonderfully well-said, Jethro. Bravo!
You hit it squarely: if people were *really* the sheep-like fools so many of the liberal elite sneer at, the ruling class wouldn't need to spend untold billions on 24/7/365 lying.
My goodness, we're in a snit about something, aren't we?
You get the mainstream media out of such hands by creating something else to substitute for and then to replace the current organs of that media.
We already have the internet but that's really just a beginning. Advances in various technologies and the reawakening of more primitive communication methods will develop alternative venues which the majority of people will eventually come to trust more than they do the evening news.
I'll use as an example the Civil Rights movement in the 1950's and '60's. Those folks had no advantages whatsoever over entrenched interests and received sympathetic coverage from none of the three main TV networks and very few major newspapers. They still managed to plan and organize and demonstrate and force their way into the public's consciousness. If you choose to call what they did a revolution then do so. You'd be wrong but go ahead.
q
The police riot at Selma, the bombing of the church in Birmingham, and the murders of the three civl-rights workers all took place in the 1963-64 time frame. I was a teenager at that time and remember the press coverage well. It was those murders that actually began to turn the tide against the southern white conspiracy.
But those events were reactions - actually over-reactions - by those southern whites to the growing strength of the Civil-Rights movements whose marches and demonstrations and sit-ins had slowly but increasingly been drawing national attention - including that of President Kennedy - and evetually forced Lyndon Johnson and Hoover's FBI to respond. Johnson was a southern white and Hoover was a notorious racist who was not inclined to bring federal law enforcement to the assistance of "the negro."
Again, I lived through this period and remember the press coverage - and I did not grow up in Georgia. The protests, demonstrations, and sit-ins were obviously well planned and organized. Hundreds and even thousands of people were contacted and transported to where they would be most effective.
q
"...you're essentially calling for a revolution..."
Too right.
Sadly it will require ashes for the phoenix to rise.
remember the USS Liberty.....
1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen
The real question facing the American people is why the US Government seems more concerned with protecting Israel after they are caught playing these dirty tricks, rather than doing something to convince Israel not to kill any more Americans
And about 9/11..............The dancing Israelis
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." -- US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring and its connections to 9-11.
~ Some people live their whole lives without ever waking up ~
Because Israel is a proxy state of the US Empire, a garrison state that serves imperial interests in the region. When we speak of Israeli policy, we are really speaking of US policy since the US provides large financial support for Israel, military aid with the latest weaponry, and political cover. Without the USA there would be no Israel.
If we need to change policy, we must focus the effort on our own government and ignore Israel.
You have it backwards -- it is the U.S. who is the subservient proxy state of Israel.
Just look at what we've done in the Middle East, look at where our money goes -- who's benefiting from this? Whose interests are being served? What has, and continues to be, ruinous for the U.S. has been a great boon for the genocidal expansionist interests of Israel, and this has been going on for decades now.
There can be little doubt which is the subservient proxy state, and it's NOT Israel.
As far as the repeating history motif goes the more apt example may be the Balkans in 1914. A little belligerent state drags its more powerful patron state into a conflict that serves absolutely no strategic purpose whatsoever for the patron nation.
The de facto reality now is an attack by Israel is for all intents and purposes an attack by the United States.
After the Israeli attack on Iran when oil goes to - oh I don't know - $400 a barrel, one might begin wonder if perhaps the cost of the "special relationship" with that colonial apartheid state is too great.
But that is the side benefit. Look who made out like a bandit when oil hit $140. They could not care if the world comes to a halt. At $400 a barrel, they will be swimming in dough.
If oil goes to $400 a barrel, regardless of the cause, some folks will get very rich. The last price run up gave the oil companies huge profits. Our loss, was their gain. I don't see what Israel gets out of any of this, but some people do gain and I am sure they don't want the focus or blame on them.
In war, the arms industry and oil industry wins. Bankers probably do well too. A real war might devastate Israel, but would these profiteers be sad?
If it goes to 400 a barrel even more US dollars will be needed to buy the stuff so Bernanke can quadruple the runs of the printing presses.
This will then push oil to 800 dollars a barrel and he can quadruple the printing of US dollars again!
That's the plan...as long as oil will be traded in US dollars.
And Bernanke and his cabal couldn't care less about the dollar. It's demise is planned as well. After all, enough has been stolen and laundered into non-dollar worth.
Again, I can only highly recommend to read:
“Collateral Damage” by E. P Heidner, part I and II.
>>> www.scribd.com/people/documents/2169400-ep-heidner <<<
And maybe to watch
"THE EMPIRE OF "THE CITY"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4675077383139148549
"Our loss, was their gain. I don't see what Israel gets out of any of this, but some people do gain and I am sure they don't want the focus or blame on them."
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If you lower your hand from you eyes, you will clearly see what Israel gains from all of this. And gain it does!
Austria did NOT "drag" Germany into starting WW1. Rather, Germany pushed Austria as the Kaiser wanted a "race war" with the Slavs--race war being the Kaiser's words. Please educate yourself by reading Fischer's "Germany's Aims in the First World War."
First of all... Wiki? Don't make me laugh. If you can find one critique of Zionism on that site that hasn't been scrubbed by "editors" I'll give you... the Nobel Peace Prize.
Second, any mincing about the exact percentage about Ros-Lehtinen's Jewishness only underscores the point the author is making. Membership in the club has its privileges, and comes with responsibilities. And Ileana has been a very loyal girl-scout.
I think you're missing revo's point. Wiki can edited by almost anyone even if there is some administation going on. That puts wiki's credibility on the line. In most cases, Wiki isn't wrong but on political matters, it gets controversial when one side of the other tries to edit for their own benefit. Even on George W Bush, notice how wiki isn't being thorough about him. Wiki's great on most things but on political matters, I would compare to multiple sources first before confirming it's true or false.
I stand corrected. RichM is right. I frequently consult Wiki, for instance, to check up on the recently deceased Soupy Sales.
Wiki is the authority on all things Jewish and Zionist - heck! They even confirm that Marilyn Monroe was a Jew at the time of her death. Had the hottie lived a little longer, she would've been legally able to buy a cleansed house in East Jerusalem with Ros-Lehtinen and start a torrid Lesbian love affair. But that's just me speculating.
Regarding Wikipedia. I am a editor at Wikipedia, the people's encyclopedia. I have "adopted" one person and I watch over her article very closely. Believe me, one person really can make a difference. I struggled for over a year attempting to clean her article up, and if I would have had just one other person to support me it would have made a world of difference.
I also keep tabs on several other articles. I don't generally edit them but occasionally make comments on the discussion page. Believe me, it really makes a difference.
It really does irritate me when people complain about the site without taking any effort to correct the information.
I'd suggest that one always check the discussion page to look for controversy before deciding that the information is accurate. I've been doing that for years, and in my experience the folks that work so hard to keep it accurate are doing a great job.
I struggled for months to bring balance to several articles, two of them political and another politicised, but eventually gave up trying. My edits were reverted within minutes of making them, over and over again. In the politicised topic, the reversions served the commercial interests as well as the ideology of one of the reverters. Because of that experience, I view the 'encyclopedia' as nothing more than a sort of online book of trivia, filled with inconsequential facts and figures, plus outdated information often taken whole from quite biased (but, because published in 1870 or 1920 or whenever, 'acceptable') sources.
I had a semi-humorous experience recently when trying to correct a non-political, purportedly factual entry obviously made by someone with an imperfect command of English and an even poorer grasp of British honorifics, but a strong commitment to his (mis)understanding! I fixed up his mistaken impressions, but my fix didn't even last a minute before being reverted. I shrugged and turned away: it's not rewarding to try to out-obsess an obsessive.
Mariead, thanks so much for your post with your experience. I'd really appreciate knowing the topics that you are speaking of. In my experience, with persistence one can actually make a good article. If this is not the case, I'd like to know about it so I can quit saying it!
The topics were 'libertarianism', 'anarchism', and 'cats'. I was so irritated that I've not visited any of those topics since then, so someone else might meanwhile have succeeded where I failed.
I'm not saying that you made a claim on ideological purity but that Wiki's major weakness is that since their articles can be too easily edited, that leaves open the door for various ideological rifts in the form of frequent editing to take place. That adds to more confusion. I would still check with other sources against Wiki's story to play it safe when it comes to politics.
What is your point here?
If Ros-Lehtinen identifies as a Sephardim, then she is of Jewish racial provenance and for practical purposes is a Jew.
There now seems to be racist tendency to assume that only Jews of Ashkenazi origin, such as Avigdor Lieberman, are the 'real' Jews. Correct me if I am wrong here.
Among our Jewish friends of Sephardic origin, they see themselves as fully 'Jewish' despite feelings of marked unease vis a vis those particularly Israeli Jews of Ashkenazi origin, which have spuriously assumed the dominant mantle of 'authentic' Jewishness.
Frankly all the talk about who is an authentic Jew is repugnant to me and seems a logical extension of Zionist 'separatism.' –(Jill Bains)
I'm willing to bet my ass that Ms. Ros-Lehtinen and her family, never dared boast about (much less try to exploit) her "jewishness" during her Castro days. Sad that she can even be remotely associated with Cuba - a disgrace and a detriment to those of us who really are!
De-countrify Israel NOW.
Then de-countrify Gringolandia.
I find it odd that health care is evaluated in terms of whether or not it's affordable, but no one mentions the cost of war. (Not that that's the only reason to oppose war...)
"I find it odd that health care is evaluated in terms of whether or not it's affordable, but no one mentions the cost of war. " –(dmgreenaz)
–Indeed. This is one of the many violent 'contradictions' that put the lie to any pretense of rationality in American politics. It cannot be repeated too often. The whole 'Health Care' brouhaha is a dismal charade, in the shadow of the death apparatus of the Pentagon budget.
This unassailable reality has the effect of a summary judgement, in that it does not require to be 'proven.'
America exists primarily, if not exclusively for war. It is disgusting to assume that any efforts to insure the health or general welfare of the larger citizenry at the expense of the continuance of permanent war are of any importance whatsoever: They are not.
But this is anything but "odd." It goes right to the heart of what America is and has been. To argue it differently is to indulge in sophistry. –(Jill Bains)
Israel wants Iran out of the way so thay can attack neighboring Arab countries without Iran interfering. Perhaps I stand alone in my thinking, but I believe Israel is holding 9/11 over our heads to the fact we blamed the wrong group. If I am correct, it is best to force Bush/Chaney to stand up and admit their war crimes, and perhaps Peace will happen.
You're spot on regarding Iran and Israel's hegemony in the region.
As for the 9/11 issue, on that same day, Netanyahu said that it was VERY good for Israel.
Ever since, neoconservatives, and Israeli hawks and Zionists have been after anything related to Islam or Arabs.
Within days of 9/11, Zionist neoconservatives like Daniel Pipes, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearl and Norman Podhoretz were churning out articles, reports and websites, all aimed at anything associated with Arab or Islam; both became fair game, particularly those who dared criticize the United States' foreign policy or the United States' unwavering support of Israel.
Once all that propaganda was pumped into the airwaves and print media, Europe and many other client countries followed suit. It became vogue to hate ones neighbors if they were brown. Various political parties and organizations used the opportunity to boost their ratings and further their careers by joining the global call against Middle Easterners and Muslims. Every idiot and their uncle wrote books about terrorism, about Islam. Suddenly, everyone was an expert. A whole industry was born out of it.
So now, eight years later, all Israel has to do to get world opinion on its side in massacring the Palestinians is cite anything remotely related to the propaganda that swept the West after 9/11. Suddenly, Palestinian children became "terrorists", anyone raising money or donating books to schools in Gaza was persecuted and prosecuted for "supporting terrorism", and anyone who dared criticize Israel was immediately accused of being a terrorist sympathizer.
Before 9/11 Israel didn't have the support and sympathy that it later managed to garner within the US. After 9/11, whenever an Israeli propagandist wanted to appeal to the American public and its institutions for more aid money he or she would simply invoke 9/11, and remind US of those cold blooded Muslim terrorists. "We, Israelis and Americans have a shared destiny and a shared goal", they'd often say.
I quote Michael Moore from Commondreams.
"We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad".
Michael, the real terrorists are still at large.
Time for a criminal investigation.
"Guilt by Association" by Gates is a must read.
Michael Moore = FRAUD....
Michael Moore is a jackass!!!
And again, there is even more. MUCH more.
Try to stomach THIS:
“Collateral Damage” by E. P Heidner, part I and II.
>>> www.scribd.com/people/documents/2169400-ep-heidner <<<
Maddy, Israel is holding a lot more than 9/11 over 'our heads'
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6480.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20011213022226/http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40684,00.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/blackmail.html?q=blackmail.html
And again, there is even more. MUCH more.
Try to stomach THIS:
“Collateral Damage” by E. P Heidner, part I and II.
>>> www.scribd.com/people/documents/2169400-ep-heidner <<<
What can we say? It is time to repeal UNGA Resolution 181. The safety of humanity depends on it.
Sorry to be a stickler, but Gates need to brush up on his Latin clichés. The expression is casus belli, not causa belli.
If one analyzes the state of Israel since its inception, a pattern quickly emerges and it's always the same. They offend, they provoke, they strike. Then, they claim to be the victim, they accuse the victim of being anti-Semitic and cry crocodile's tears in memory of the Holocaust(TM). All of that works time and time again so they repeat it...again and again and again... Why would they change their MO if it is so efficient and yields such proven results? It worked with Iraq and it will work with Iran. They reap the rewards while the Americans make, clean and pay for the mess. It's a beautiful scam and Americans are stupid enough to fall for it over and over again.
Now, the day the world turns around and says to them "F You, and F your Holocaust(TM) F your anti-Semitism" and makes them take responsibility for their actions, that will be the day when they have to look for a different strategy or succumb to their own actions.
Israel is its own worst enemy. With its paranoia yet war-criminal mentality and behavior and with its eternal victim facade, it's cries of anti-Semitism and Holocaust(TM), Israel is the world's biggest self-fulfilling prophecy.
Israeli Mossad, their version of the CIA, has as their slogan:
"By way of deception, we will make war"...
The zionists that first settled in Palestine, like Irgun & the Stern gang used terrorist tactics to drive the Arabs off the land...
Many of the early settlers were Russian Jews, converts to Judaism in the 8th century ad in Khazaria, and not Hebrew in origin...
Most European Jews are Ashkenazis, whose ancestors supposedly moved into europe during the diasporas, and intermarried with the ethnic groups there... Biblically speaking, Ashkenaz predated Abraham by several generations, so even that term isn't a literal description...
The Sephardic Jews lived in northern Africa and other parts of the middle east, and maintain the only direct unbroken lineage back to Jacob and Abraham... Unfortunately, the racist Ashkenazi Jews who settled Palestine intentionally gave radiation poisoning to many of the Sephardic Jews relocating to Israel after 1949, and were considered second class citizens by the European settlers...
Genetically speaking, the Palestinians have more Hebrew blood in them than the Ashkenazis or Khazars, as DNA tests have shown...
Linguistically, both Jews (Isaac) and Arabs (Ishmael) are decendents of Shem, one of the sons of Noah, and are related through Abram as a common father, so all are Shemites... The Zionists coined the term "anti-Semitic" to refer to Jews only as a means to shut down dialogue about any topic that would expose the machinations of the zionists and the exclusive use of the victim card...
It is horrible that six million Jews were killed during WWII... But so were millions of other ethnic groups by the Germans... During and after WWII, 20 million russians, mainly Christians, were killed by Stalin, yet that only gets a footnote in the history books... Go figure...
The Rothschilds play both sides of every war, lending money to kings and governments to have their citizens kill each other, while making obscene profits and consolidating their power... Let's keep the focus on the Banksters and war profiteers that want to manufacture a war with Iran by any means necessary, even if they need to create a false flag event to do so... It will be business as usual...
GoldenMean: “Many of the early settlers were Russian Jews, converts to Judaism in the 8th century ad in Khazaria, and not Hebrew in origin...”
Not that your racial theories are important (All humans are equal) Nevertheless, most scholars, and DNA evidence are pointing that you’re wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
Scroll down to:
Alleged Khazar ancestry of Ashkenazim
“This theory… is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics.”
And to:
DNA Evidence
“most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora”
“The authors hypothesized that these chromosomes could reflect low-level gene flow into Ashkenazi populations from surrounding Eastern European populations or that both the Ashkenazi Jews with Eu 19, and to a greater extent all Eastern European populations in general, might have some partial Khazar ancestry”
“A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe”
Read Shlomo Sands, he's researched the genetic ancestry of Jews in Palestine.
Basically, while you, some random guy, is citing Wikipedia, a renown university professor says you're wrong.
Who are we going to believe?
Trailing Begonia: “If one analyzes the state of Israel since its inception, a pattern quickly emerges and it's always the same. They offend, they provoke, they strike. Then, they claim to be the victim, they accuse the victim of being anti-Semitic and cry crocodile's tears in memory of the Holocaust(TM).”
Reality shows the exact opposite picture. (Check 1948, 1967, 1973, the last war in Lebanon and in Gaza...)
If one analyzes the state of Israel since its inception, a pattern quickly emerges and it's always the same. An Arab country or a radical terrorist organization declare they plan to exterminate Israel. They strike, Israel fight back and starts to win, then the Arab aggressors who suffers higher casualties cry, pretending to be the victims (Yes, even though they themselves initiates the conflict.) Then the UN steps in and save the Arab country / terrorists’ ass. Then, some radical lefty invokes the Holocaust and falsely claims that Israel is the one invoking it.
Let’s analyse the last war in Gaza as an example:
Do you, Trailing Begonia, have a link that quotes any Israeli politician claiming that Israel fought in Gaza because of the Holocaust? – NO. They never mentioned the Holocaust as the reason. It’s only in your extra developed imagination. They continually saying that the only reason for the war was an attempt to stop the 10,000 missiles and mortar bombs fired by the Hamas and other militant organizations against Israeli civilians. (The Hamas is an organization that publically declares that their long term goal is to destroy Israel and establish an Islamic republic on its ruins – google Hamas charter if you don’t believe me.)
They continually saying that the only reason for the war was an attempt to stop the 10,000 missiles and mortar bombs fired by the Hamas and other militant organizations against Israeli civilians. (The Hamas is an organization that publically declares that their long term goal is to destroy Israel and establish an Islamic republic on its ruins – google Hamas charter if you don’t believe me.)
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You're right. We don't believe you because as thick as you are, we have linked several newspaper articles in the past showing you that Hamas is prepared to accept a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders. But, you keep coming back with the same lies and drivel.
This bullcrap takes the cake: "Islamic republic on its ruins".
Do you write your own propaganda or are you supplied with keywords and terms for every occasion?
As for the 10,000. Weren't those 8,000? How come you keep changing those numbers every day?
How are those "Arab states and terrorists" going to "exterminate" Israel? With slingshots?
The rockets (not missiles, not ICBMs or fucking nuclear warheads) are like a souped up Roman candle. And, they came in response to the siege that has been imposed on Gaza since 2007.
IN THE LAST NINE YEARS, Israel has killed about 6,500 Palestinians.
Whereas, the Palestinians have killed a fraction of that.
I'm going to start saving these responses and just post them every time you post your incredibly delusional nonsense, because if I didn't know otherwise, I'd say you have a memory problem or a psychological condition that causes that dementia and cognitive dissonance.
Finally, STOP LYING. It's getting old.
Letto:Wrong again - not doing too well in the facts department are we? With the exception of the 1973 war - which could well be seen as an attempt by the Arab countries to get Israel to release the territories it had illegally occupied since the 1967 War Israel has started every single war since its founding including the 1948 War - and its leaders have said so:
"I know how at least 80% of the incidents began there. In my opinion, more than 80%, but lets talk about 80%. It would happen like this: We would send a tractor to plow someplace of no value, in the demilitarized zone, knowing ahead of time that the Syrians would begin to shoot. If they did not start shooting, we would tell the tractor to keep going forward, until the Syrians in the end would get nervous and start shooting. And then we would start firing artillery, and later also the airforce and this was the way it was. I did this and Laskov and Tzur (two previous commander-in-chiefs) did it, Yitzhak Rabin did it when he was there (as commander of the northern district at the beginning of the sixties), but it seems to me that it was Dado, more than anyone else, enjoyed these games."
(Moshe Dayan, 22 November 1976)
"In mid-October [1948], in contravention of the truce, the Israelis launched an offensive against the Egyptian forces in order to take the Negev before the UN could decide that they could not have it. Substantial gains were made in the south and the Israelis resisted all the UN injunctions, mostly sponsored by Britain, to withdraw. In a second offensive at the end of the month the IDF ejected all Arab forces from the Galilee and in doing so finally defeated the [Bernadotte] plan for exchanging the Galilee for the Negev."
(Avi Shlaim, Summer 1987)
I've repeated here several times for your benefit and for your friends mikep and lever01 that the Gaza genocide was started by Israel when it broke the ceasefire on US election day by killing several Hamas leaders. Prior to that Hamas had done a remarkably good job of keeping its side of the bargain and preventing the launching of rockets from Gaza - only a few were launched by the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade - an ally of Fatah. Israel on the other hand had not kept its side of the bargain - removal of the blockade. It doesn't matter does it how many times you are told the facts you come back with lies.
And here's a very different view from yours of the Lebanese war of 2006.
http://www.counterpunch.org/lin07252006.html
Israel has consistently used war and genocide to achieve its ultimate aim to extend its borders and drive out the Palestinians from their country. Begonia is right and as usual you are wrong.
Here's some more reading for you:
http://books.google.com/books?id=h3EOJGiBBpQC&dq=who+started+the+1948+war+Israel&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=BjrkSoXJEc6Y8AarrYiIBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=13&ved=0CD4Q6AEwDA#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Oh I forgot - you don't read.