quizmasterchris: "In plain language the man is a right wing jerk, and never pretended otherwise on the campiagn trail. You just have all the zombie Democrats slowly (sometimes) waking up to the reality of the Obama marketing package they were suckered by. He made a lot of empty Rorshach statements and dimwit Dems filled them with personal aspirations."

Your plain language is different but what you say is exactly what an article posted yesterday on CD said: that the "left" in America ignored the plain signals of Obama that his would be a conservative presidency but elected him on the "hope" he'd be different, only to be bitterly disappointed. A few hours after the article was posted, it along with at least 27 comments were "disappeared" somewhere into cyber-space.

There was no explanation of the disappearance of this important article from CD, but I remembered enough of its details to google the article from its sources and found this from a couple of existing links: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/07/30/18613244.php
Of course you won't, unfortunately, find the comments there on the CD posting.

On that site I reprised a post that I had made to the "disappeared" CD version of the article, including a deja vu sense that progressives are repeating the process of blindly supporting a candidate for office without really knowing or seeming to care to know about that candidate's likely actual behavior once he/she assumes office. I comment at some length on the willful ignoring of the judicial record of Sonio Sotomayor in the currently-concluding "debate" on her nomination. You can read my comment (#3) there is you like.

quizmasterchris says, "He made a lot of empty Rorshach statements and dimwit Dems filled them with personal aspirations."

Thanks for that statement that hits it on the nose. It's exactly what his hot shot professional advertising handlers wanted and what most of modern advertising is all about. It was a great success as a campaign to sell a product, and I'm sure it has entered the realm of superstardom in the world of advertising and will be much emulated.

A lot of people will say they voted for the lesser of two evils, trudging wearily to the polls to pull the lever for someone who would do less damage, but that's not the way it was. It was "Obama's the one!" just like "Pepsi's the one!"

Nothing will be accomplished until people get serious and say, "Don't f*ck with me. I don't want anybody to f*ck with me anymore."

The man speaks with "Forked Tongue"........Why was a junior 1st term senator chosen to be the savior? He was chosen because he was going to be easy to control, a Palin with pants.

He never promised any troop removal and promised expansions of the occupations, "Afghanistan is the Right War." NOT

What Chavez has to fear are the five U.S.Bases in Colombia and he knows that the United States is putting billions into destabilizing his country.

What does a 12 TRILLION DOLLAR national debt mean to U.S Politiicans? No healthcare and more wars.

The enemy of "American Capitalism" is labor. Labor is sometimes called "Communist" or "Socialist" to make an enemy easier to recognize.......From the Haymarket Square Riots in Chicago to the new commerce agreement with China, the goal is increase profits and cut labor costs. Ask Verizon why they would lay-off thousands of employees.

Zelaya is out because he was a threat to "American Capitalism"...Obama probably found out that his CIA had supported the Coup and had to back pedal for the good of "The Team" (The Council on Foreign Relations, Right Wing Think Tanks, and brother Brzezinski).....Democracy is when a government by the people and for the people puts the people first. So much for Democracy in the United States.

i don't think it's naive, and i don't think it's "facetious" - it's a "rhetorical question" raised by a person who knows the answer, in order to give the answer.

That's so naive. Why not state that Goldman Sachs should be drummed out of the US government, and the White House should head that up? How about getting the White House to lead the charge in getting NATO out of Afghanistan? Maybe while we're at it the White House could work on countering the Obama Administration?

It should be plainly evident by now that the White House backs the coup while trying not to make that appear to blatant.

In 1944 Clinton would have called de Gaulle "reckless" for returning to France.

I was told here the other day that Amy most likely voted for Nader.

That was for her article of "Obama's military spying on Peace Groups".

Amy uses all the devises of journalism which is to pose a question just like you did by insinuating she is one of the evil ones with your question "Or is something other than innocent naiveté involved? It's increasingly difficult to know which side of the fence some public outlets and forums are on these days."

Politics is difficult and fences don't make it any easier.

"You're beginning to sound almost as naive as the true believers in that "promised change" themselves."

Agreed. She's been doing it for a long time.

That depends whom you mean by "we."

Allowing the Hondurans to "settle their own problems" would involve considerable effort within the US to withdraw the substantial intelligence and corporate support for the coup.

Can't just ignore leaders who raise minimum wages, Henry. You've obviously overlooked some important aspects of "U.S. interests" as defined by those whose definitions actually matter.

Aristide made the same silly mistake of thinking he could improve his people's living standard at the expense of corporate interests. Besides, slapping Zelaya was a low-cost opportunity to deliver a message to Chavez at the same time.

I agree with you there 'henry8'.
"Let the Hondurans settle their own problems"

The USA should 'keep out' of the 'business' of all the other nations of the world, until such time as the USA can 'stand before the world as an example'. When that occurs, the world will automatically "seek the leadership and example of the USA".

Of course this would have a better chance to be experienced as soon as the USA 'recalls ALL of the School of the Americas" alumni that have been trained to do the bidding of the USA, then sent back to the various South and Central American as well as many other nations, to do it. In fact, if the USA were to 'call in its rectum licking dogs' just there in Honduras, Mr. Zelaya would return to parades and parties. But that would require the complete reorganization of the USA from a Plutocratic Oligarchy to a Democracy---and there is not likely an even 'microscopic chance' that would happen.

So, what is the answer?

Like all 'empires' even before history was recorded, the USA will either make the major changes needed to grow and evolve into a positive example for history or as it is going now, become its most terrible warning.

Good Luck America, you really need it.

(Hey, has anyone told you that you 'smell' like Thomas Moore? )