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The Challenge of South America's Populist Left
Just over a decade ago, a sea of supporters dressed in red and lining the streets of Caracas celebrated Hugo Chávez's landslide election victory in Venezuela, marking a watershed in the Latin American political landscape and signaling the emergence of the so-called populist left in the region. Chávez was subsequently followed by a wave of left-wing leaders elected across the continent -- Lula in Brazil (2002), Néstor Kirchner in Argentina (2003), Tabaré Vázquez in Uruguay (2004), Evo Morales in Bolivia (2005), and a year later Michelle Bachelet in Chile and Rafael Correa in Ecuador -- leaving roughly 75 per cent of South America's 382 million inhabitants living under a leftist government.
While these leaders share some common characteristics, there are vast differences between them. Chávez and Bachelet, for instance, are worlds apart, reflecting what Jorge Casteñada, an academic and former foreign minister of Mexico, described two years ago in a Foreign Affairs article as two distinguishable Latin American lefts. One of them, characterized by Chile and Brazil and referred to alternately as social democrats, the moderate left, and sometimes the soft left, is "modern, open-minded, reformist, and internationalist." By contrast, Castañeda argued, the other left, exemplified by Chávez, Morales and Correa, is "born of the great tradition of Latin American populism," and is "nationalist, strident, and close-minded."
Nevertheless, the current tide of left-wing leaders shares a historical context. First, their rise can be seen as a backlash to the economic neoliberalism adopted across Latin America during the 1980s. Forming part of the so-called Washington consensus, neoliberal policies emphasized free-market reforms, the privatization of state industries, trade liberalization such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and deregulation as key ways to advance development and prosperity. Neoliberalism was subsequently blamed by some for the region's poor economic growth, the widening gap between rich and poor, currency devaluation and chronic debt crises such as that experienced by Argentina in 2001.
The neoliberal policies prescribed by the World Bank and International Monetary Fund also came with tough restructuring and fiscal adjustments that often included deep and politically unpopular cuts in social spending. Leftist parties offering alternatives to neoliberalism campaigned on the mantra of social reform, and gained increasing resonance and support among the marginalized poor. As such, the rise of the left can also be seen as an inevitable and natural shift, responding to the region's lack of social mobility and inequality that, over the course of decades, traditional ruling parties had failed to address and that neoliberalism had exacerbated.
In Venezuela, Chávez's call for a Bolivarian revolution as an alternative to neoliberalism had great appeal among the urban poor. By 1998, after several years of declining oil prices, the Venezuelan economy was on the brink of collapse. Chávez exploited the disenchantment felt towards Venezuela's ruling elites, who were seen to be out of touch, corrupt and agents of U.S.-advocated free-market reforms. He projected a genuine concern for the plight of the poor and attacked the privatization of industries controlled by the white oligarchy, blaming them for confiscating oil profits that, he argued, rightfully belonged to the people.
In many ways, Chávez's message harks back to the days of good old-fashioned populism -- a demagogic leader promising to redistribute the nation's wealth to the poor. It's a tradition that has always been present in Latin American politics, with Juan Perón's appeal to the urban working class in Argentina in the 1940s and Lazaro Cardenas' defense of poor farmers in Mexico in the 1930s just two examples.
The end of the Cold War also played a role in the resurgence of the Latin America's left. According to Castañeda, the fall of the Soviet bloc helped remove the "geopolitical stigma" from the left, allowing leftist ideologies to be judged in their own right, rather than in association with revolution and subservience to the Soviet model.
The strengthening of democratic processes after years of dictatorship in some Latin American countries combined with the gradual rise of a more educated electorate, allowing the poor to become more assertive at the ballot box in support of left-leaning candidates who best represented and defended their interests. At the same time, the various currents of the left also broadened their political agendas, widening their traditional, largely trade unionist base of support to include the unemployed, feminists, grassroots student groups and landless rural workers.
In Bolivia, Evo Morales, a former coca union leader, found his mass support base among the country's majority indigenous population, who felt disenfranchised and marginalized from society. Morales became the country's first indigenous leader in part by arguing that indigenous people had the right be different and autonomous, a message that became as important as the need to combat poverty. In a country where just two generations ago the capital's main square was reserved for whites, Morales' pledge to reverse the legacy of centuries of discrimination perpetuated by the white elite was a powerful message that marked his unique, radical brand of populism.
Chávez's version of populism -- Bolivarianism -- is a loose, diffuse and vague mixture of ideologies drawn from the teachings of Simon Bolivar (the 19th-century independence hero), revolutionary Marxism, socialism, nationalism, militarism and some borrowings from Castroism. Bolivarianism is "an effort to revive Bolivar's dream of the integration of South America, with an emphasis also on the need for social justice in the region," explains Professor Cynthia McClintock, a Latin America specialist at George Washington University.
Morales and Correa share an affinity and mutual respect with Chávez, the self-appointed standard bearer of the new populist left. These Andean leaders all rose to power on an anti-neoliberal platform, and they project themselves as staunch defenders of the excluded in society. They also all rely on the mass support of new social movements that have emerged since the late 1980s, such as Ecuador's Pachakutik party -- the political wing of the country's powerful indigenous organization, CONAIE. They also share a desire for greater autonomy from the U.S. economy and global financial institutions, and regard Washington's involvement in the region with mistrust.
Perhaps the most striking thing these Andean leaders have in common is that they have all tried to spearhead change through wide-ranging constitutional reform submitted to referendums, in the hopes of consolidating their power and that of the executive branch of government. Chávez failed in his attempt two years ago to overhaul Venezuela's constitution, which would have allowed, among other things, his indefinite re-election. But Ecuador's Correa last year won 64 percent of the vote in a referendum on constitutional reform that increased his powers and control over the economy. Morales, who has encountered at times violent opposition from wealthy landowners and business leaders in the eastern province of Santa Cruz, has also opted to write a new constitution, aimed at fully recognizing the rights of the indigenous majority and giving them more power. The outcome of that referendum will be decided in late January.
Morales and Chávez -- and to a lesser extent, Correa -- pepper their speeches with vocal defiance of the United States and calls for greater sovereignty. Morales has expressed his disapproval of Washington's war on drugs -- characterized by coca eradication campaigns -- in Bolivia, which he sees as gross U.S. intervention in the country's internal affairs. He argues that U.S. aid to Bolivia, the poorest nation in South America, has been unfairly tied to the results of the anti-drug campaigns. Last year, Morales suspended the operations of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) in Bolivia, which he accused of inciting anti-government protests. The move was promptly supported by Chávez and Correa. Meanwhile, Chávez has long accused Washington of being involved in a short-lived coup in Venezuela in 2002 that tried -- and failed -- to oust him from power.
Chávez, Correa and Morales all believe that increased state control and regulation of the country's natural resources is the best way to redistribute wealth from the elites to the poor. They have claimed to be vindicated in their approach in the wake of the global financial crisis and collapse of giant banks in the United States, with Chávez blaming the crisis on the lack of government control and regulation in capitalist economies.
The Andean leaders have also all sought to renegotiate the terms under which foreign companies extract their country's natural resources to ensure that the state receives a greater share of the profits. Nationalization is used as a tool by which to recover resources that they believe have been unfairly appropriated by foreign mining and oil companies for decades. Chávez, for instance, has nationalized the oil industry and increased the amount of royalties foreign oil companies must pay for the right to exploit Venezuela's reserves. In 2006, Morales issued a decree giving the state control over the operations of foreign energy companies, including the country's important gas sector.
But if
Chávez, Morales and Correa have become close allies who often display a
united front when it comes to disputes with the U.S. and/or Colombia,
they do not represent a coherent movement. For all the beliefs they
share in principle, their priorities and versions of the populist left
differ in practice. So while Ecuador has called on Chávez's support
when embroiled in diplomatic rows with Colombia, and Chávez and Correa
rallied around Morales when he expelled the U.S. ambassador to Bolivia
last year, this does not mean that Correa and Morales want to push
ahead with Bolivarianism in their own countries, or follow too closely
in Chávez's footsteps. Correa, in particular, is keen not to be seen as
a puppet of Chávez, an accusation his critics often make. "They share
the goal of a greater emphasis on poverty reduction and the inclusion
of darker-skinned peoples, but the movement is not fully coherent. Evo
Morales is closer to Chávez than Correa, and the allegiance of both
Morales and Correa is linked to Chávez's aid," explains Professor
McClintock.
The limits of Bolivarianism . . .
The Bolivarian revolution, which according to Chávez is now entering its third phase of "21st century socialism," belongs squarely to Chávez and is unique to Venezuela. And while strands of Bolivarianism can be seen in Bolivia and Ecuador, Chávez's all-encompassing movement can not be replicated outside of Venezuela, primarily because it is built around a cult of personality, inextricably linked and identified with Chávez, who appears increasingly to make all the decisions.
As importantly, Bolivarianism is also dependent on oil profits. Chávez's populism, and in turn popularity, depends largely on social spending sprees backed by rising oil prices, a luxury Bolivia's and Ecuador's more modest energy sectors do not allow them. "Chávez is the leader of a petro-state and has many more resources to play with, which the others don't," says Daniel Hellinger, a professor of political science at Webster University. Neither Morales nor Correa can rely on the vast influx of oil wealth that Chávez uses to broker power and fund social projects. Nor are they able to use their country's natural resources as a geopolitical tool to push ahead with South American integration and form alliances with other countries, as Chávez has adeptly managed to do over the years.
Indeed, for all of Correa's anti-American rhetoric, including his threats to close a U.S. military base in Ecuador and his refusal to sign an unpopular free trade agreement with Washington, Ecuador depends on U.S. investment and loans, and its official currency is the U.S. dollar. This may explain why Correa, who has a doctorate from the University of Illinois, has recently distanced himself from Chávez and Morales, and why he does not allow strained relations with the United States to go to the brink. He has also declined to be a full member state of the Chávez-led initiative, the Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas (ALBA), which aims to promote hemispheric integration and counter U.S.-advocated free trade agreements. "Correa is the most pragmatic of the three," believes Professor Hellinger.
While Chávez, Correa and Morales all champion social justice, they came to power on the backs of different social movements, which has led each leader to focus on different priorities. Morales latched onto an existing, powerful movement -- the coca growers union -- and made its cause his own. The passionate defense of indigenous peoples has subsequently become his trademark, and his policies are centered on rectifying centuries of colonialism in order to reinstate indigenous rule. Morales's priority is pushing ahead with a "land revolution" that aims to expropriate up to one-fifth of the country's land and redistribute it to around 2.5 million landless poor. He has pledged to move towards his own version of development, a three-tiered Andean capitalism comprised of modern industry (gas production), urban trade and traditional framing.
By contrast, Chávez created a movement around his own persona and promptly filled it with partisans, including loyal army generals. His Bolivarianism revolution goes far beyond trade deals, attempting to impact the cultural and social aspects of peoples' lives as well -- from what families watch on television, to the type of history children study at school. This grandiose vision of nation-building centers around establishing a sense of civic virtue and national pride. To counter what he believes is encroaching American cultural imperialism, as reflected in Venezuelans' thirst for U.S.-style shopping malls and consumerism, Chávez hopes to create a strong Latin cultural identity. This is not part of Morales' or Correa's discourse or vision.
In addition, Chávez's notion of "participatory democracy," aimed at getting citizens more closely involved in decisions affecting their community, is not found in Bolivia or Ecuador. Modeled on the Cuban system, Chávez has introduced thousands of Bolivarian circles and grassroots communal councils that operate like open assemblies in local neighborhoods to promote civic mobilization.
The tide of leftist leaders in Latin America has not resulted in a consensus over how to define the roles of the state, the market and society. Chávez came to power determined to expand the state's power and fundamentally change its relationship with society. Other leaders -- such as Brazil's Lula and, to a lesser extent, Correa -- have decided, or perhaps resigned themselves, to instead try to make the status quo work more effectively in the interests of the poor. In practice, that means being open to free-market systems and allowing some neoliberal policies to play a part in social reform and development.
The question of whether or not Chávez's project for a "21st century socialism" will ultimately be taken up with greater fervor in Ecuador and Bolivia, or subsequently spread elsewhere in the region, is preceded by the question of whether Bolivarianism will even survive in the long term. While the Venezuelan government claims that Chávez's project is stronger than ever, to more objective observers, it is beginning to look overstretched, and both Chávez's popularity and grip on power are waning. The most glaring evidence of this was his defeat two years ago in the referendum on the new constitution, which demonstrated that Venezuelans do not want to see Chávez perpetuate his rule. In recent regional elections, too, an increasingly unified opposition managed to win several governorships and the important mayoralty of Caracas.
Bolivarianism's long-term chances for survival as a social and economic alternative to neoliberalism are also closely linked to the price of oil. Chávez's social projects have been possible because, for most of his tenure, the Venezuelan leader has been the beneficiary of an oil bonanza. When he came to power in 1998, the price of oil was roughly $25 a barrel; by last year, it had skyrocketed to $147 a barrel. Today it is hovering between $40 and $50 a barrel, and economists forecast that this figure is unlikely to rise much higher in 2009. Oil accounts for about a third of Venezuela's GDP and some 80 percent of the country's total export revenues. Questions have been raised about the efficiency and capacity of PDVSA, the Venezuelan state oil company, following years of what industry experts consider insufficient investment in infrastructure and exploration for new reserves.
Populism, too, is often fickle. Chávez -- like Morales and Correa -- is a product, as well as an agent, of history and change, and the very people who elevated him to power can also sweep him away. In some ways, participatory democracy has raised Venezuelans' expectations, amid growing concerns about rampant crime, sporadic food shortages and double-digit inflation rates.
In all likelihood, the appeal of Chávez's brand of popular socialism and his Bolivarian project has limited prospects for spreading, and the notion that he can drive the region towards his version of the populist left has been vastly overblown. For one thing, few regional leaders see Chávez's model as a credible blueprint to follow. So while Chávez grabs headlines with his foreign tours and often entertaining soundbites, he "does not speak for Latin America," as German Chancellor Angela Merkel once pointed out.
Also, his regional influence is largely dependent on bartering oil or selling it cheaply through preferential trade deals such as PetroCaribe. This helps to explain why in practice most governments exhibit a pragmatic stance towards Venezuela, accepting attractive trade deals without necessarily endorsing Chávez's agenda and vision of development.
The rivalry with Brazil . . .
Venezuelans have certainly benefited from Chavez's social programs in many significant ways. The proportion of the population living below the poverty level has been reduced from roughly half to a third, and access to healthcare and education has been dramatically increased. But there is much debate among analysts regarding the extent to which Chávez has delivered real improvements in terms of social equality and mobility. Michael Reid, author and Americas editor at the Economist, argues that the Chávez model is fundamentally based on clientism and nepotism, perpetuating dependence on state patronage rather than promoting broad-based development. As such, it is unsustainable in the long run, and only satisfies a short-term popular demand for social spending.
The model of development put forward by the open-minded and reformist left, as Casteñada calls it, is more likely to offer a sustainable model of development for others to follow. Chile and Brazil, for instance, continue to court foreign investment and are willing to incorporate elements of neoliberalism and free-market policies, while still putting social reform at the center of government policy. As a result, many analysts argue that these countries have delivered better results in alleviating poverty. For instance, social programs adopted by Brazil to tackle poverty -- such as the acclaimed Bolsa Familia program, which gives small stipends to families on the condition that they send their children to school -- have attracted international recognition. Such bottom-up initiatives are seen as more sustainable than Chávez's top-down welfare programs.
Chávez has also had trouble competing with Brazil's size and economic clout -- it is the largest economy in the region -- combined with Lula's growing assertiveness on the international stage. And Mercosur, the region's largest trading bloc -- which is led by Brazil (and of which Venezuela is not a member) -- has shown itself to be a much more powerful organization than Chávez's ALBA group. Neither reality is likely to change in the future.
Nevertheless, there is an emerging consensus that Washington will have to revise its approach to engagement with South America as a whole, and in particular with Morales and Chávez, if it stands a real chance of reversing its declining influence in the region. Forging a new, multilateral approach to South America based on acknowledging the legitimacy of both of the left-wing currents that pervade the region's political landscape is regarded by many policy analysts as the best basis on which to formulate U.S. policy in the region.
There are strong incentives for the U.S. to improve its relations with Venezuela. Roughly 15 percent of oil imports to the U.S. come from Venezuela. Conversely, the U.S. remains Venezuela's most important oil trading partner. But in the past, Washington's posture towards Caracas has alternated between passive indifference and hostility, with Chávez regarded as a destabilizing force in Latin America. A stance that is both more consistent and more coherent is needed.
The first significant shift in the U.S. approach towards Latin America is likely to involve Cuba rather than Venezuela. But lifting the U.S. embargo on Cuba, as well as loosening travel and remittance restrictions, would send positive signals to Chávez, its close ally.
A real concern for social reform would also help repair Washington's poor image in the region. A recent report by the Council on Foreign Relations has identified four core issues -- poverty and inequality, public security, migration and energy security -- around which a multilateral relationship should be built. According to Professor McClintock, the United States needs to "show real respect for Latin American leaders and peoples and put greater emphasis in U.S. policy on the need for social justice." The Brookings Institution advocates the creation of the Americas Eight (A-8), a hemispheric steering group designed to build partnerships and establish issue-specific networks.
Should the U.S. engage with Chávez and, more broadly, the populist left, the emerging consensus is that this engagement should come through multilateral institutions, such as the proposed A-8 and other existing hemispheric bodies, including the Organization of American States (OAS). The Summit of the Americas, a gathering of 34 OAS heads of state hosted by Trinidad and Tobago in April, could be an ideal opportunity for President-elect Obama to usher in a new, multilateral approach to the region, and perhaps even to make overtures to Chávez.
The resurgence of the South American left has brought irreversible trends and changes to the continent, often breaking the age-old dominance of ruling parties. Last year, in Paraguay, the ascension of Fernando Lugo, a former priest, marked the end of six decades of rule by the Colorado party, while the arrival of Chávez eliminated Venezuela's two-party system, which had dominated the country's political scene for decades. As a result, the plight of the poor and social reform has now become part of the mainstream political discourse across most of Latin America. New movements as well as new forms of social mobilization have been unleashed that can not be undone, and are likely to continue to impact the political agenda and shape the fortunes of political parties well into the future.
Despite its excesses and shortcomings, the populist left has offered many previously excluded citizens in Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador a greater stake in their country's future. It is this defining social experience that perhaps gives the movement whatever coherence it has. In order for America to regain its standing in South America, not only among the continent's leaders but also among its inhabitants, it would do well to place the aspirations that drive that experience at the heart of its regional policy.
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Show AllInteresting how the ideology of the author colors her entire outlook by counterposing the "soft left" and "populist left" and obviously taking the side of the "soft left." As for calling Correa "pragmatic" this shows up in his increasing distance from his own indigenous constituency who oppose his mining policies. Correa has also been more fearsome in his scathing critiques of Colombia, even more so than Chavez who swings back and forth between conciliation and anger at slippery Uribe. As for the supposed rivalry between Brazil and Venezuela, the presidents have been mutually supportive -- Brazil also has 8 times the population of Venezuela! Venezuela is also an associate member of MERCOSUR which is still organized along neoliberal lines as opposed to the complementarity and solidarity that ALBA emphasizes.
Speaking of "soft left" the US, Canada, and India have plenty of that. Can you imagine if any of those 3 had a Hugo Chavez type leftist?
Look up West Bengal. The Communists have won elections for about four decades straight in that region. The panchayats, the local democratic councils that are USUALLY as hollow as the soviets were (which were also SUPPOSSED to be democratic) are usually controlled by the elites. The Communists in West Bengal have used them for more democratic ends, have re-destributed land and given lower class people a say in policy decision making. It is, and the communists are, far from perfect, and there has NOT been a bottom up social revolution, but they've been voted into power since the late 1970's because of leftist policies and solid organizing and educating (and it appears in some cases violence, whether is defensive or not depends on who you ask). There is also a Marxist/Maoist guerilla insurgency, that is bound to grow with the tens of thousands of displaced Indian farmers (look at the statistics of farmer suicides in India). Look up the Naxalist movement if you're interested, not a pretty situation. The relatively new Maoist leaders of Nepal were going to try reaching out, maybe they have, to West Bengal and I read articles not long ago that showed that members within India were going over whether or not to support and ferment a coup.
Vijay Prashad is a great author, wrote an interesting book on the Third World recently, and has an article about West Bengal from 2006.
http://www.counterpunch.org/prashad05132006.html
Here's another by Cockburn:
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn05222006.html
Pretty interesting stuff.
Hilarious.
That gringo has just shown you that you know little about India, and you tell the gringo to join the world and educate himself / herself?
Hilarious?
I have been to India.
Have YOU?
You obviously didn't understand my post.
Why should I be surprised?
I haven't been there but I hear it's getting to be a sludge factory like China and the US. The Communists in India have been teaming up with Christian and Muslim fundamental terrorists against the natives and even against peace loving Christians and Muslims.
The Communists have been voted into office in West Bengal since the late 1970's because they've done land reform and democratized the dormant panchayats, they've delivered on levels that other groups can't, at least as far as voters there are concerned. They aren't perfect, and are sometimes violent, but it is ridiculous to just throw them in with other groups that you know nothing of. Not trying to attack you, just read up on the situation before you comment. Vijay Prashad is a good source. The Hindu right wing (dangerous and powerful in India), which does have connections to the Obama administration, has been getting much closer to the Israeli and US right wing for the last couple of decades, with Israel having a large hand in training the chauvanist Hindu right wing on "counter terror" measures. Israel, so you can guess what that means.
Fair enough. I'll see what they've really accomplished but the country's a slum dump even today and the elites and corporatists are doing no better there making a further mess of it.
The Communists in India are doing nothing to stem the growing tide of farmers committing suicide. They're just a dumbshow party. Besides, the Communists in India support CHILD LABOR and often try to prevent prosecution of those caught doing so from what I hear. Communism is just as bad as unfettered capitalism since one group of people get benefits at the expense of screwing another group very much so. Try moderated capitalism or better yet progressive populiam instead.
The Old CCF which later morphed to the NDP In Canada was most definitely soft left if not more so. Since then the party has drifted more and more from its true roots as they feel they are always on the outside looking in when it comes to being in power.
I do believe that Canada will move in that direction again. Whether the will of the people will be enough to rid us of the vested interests (Corporations) and or the false promise they SEEM to provide for us is another story.
If you would read John Raulston Sauls latest book, it his opinion that a large component of Canadas founding principles were ideals we adopted from our Aboriginal populations. It his contention we return to those roots and that our pathway towards Corporatism and old Style Colonialism will only lead to disaster. In other words we must emphasize the community over the individual, the well being of all over the self and look at living with the enviroment in a sustainable way rather then trying to remake it in out own image and calling it MINE. (The older I get the less I like the idea of private property)
Quite frankly, rather then sending soldiers to remake Aghanistan..or Bosnia or some other far off place in the world, I would like to see Canada turn more inwards and clean up our own house and especially when it comes to the way we have treated our Aboriginals and how we take our enviroment for granted.
One of my own problems with Populism, is that while on the surface it appears to be democratic, populism is based upon appealing to what a given person might WANT rather then what they might need.
There is a heck of a lot of stuff people want, that turns out to be harmful.
Ah then your a communist? Its been tried and failed, you can not make people live a certain way, you must persuade them. That is why communist failed, I do not like a govermant telling me what is good for me, I can make that call my self.
Serena, I'm with you on a lot of what you say, but you should tone down the taunts a bit. You have a lot of good things to say and are well informaed. You have information that might help educate people. If you believe in the ideals that we seem to agree on, realize that you do those ideals no favor by insulting people who might otherwise be open to what you have to say. I'm a "gringo" comrade, I WANT to empower people and help the poor, protect the enviornment and give people direct power as much as possible. Think about convincing people to come to your side on behalf of the poor and powerless, not venting because you are (rightfully) angry at what capitalism and the West (the US in particular) has done. When I visit the region, I'm NOT a gringo, any more than you visiting the US are a derogetory term. I'm there to learn and help in any way I can. If like minded people there call me "gringo" I'm far less likely to risk my personal safety for them. When someone who doesn't know this information reads your post, they might learn something but could be otherwise turned off by the rest of what you have to say. A lot of the US public's inactivity politically is a result of not having relavent and objective information available. Don't turn those people off when they otherwise would hear you out. Just think about it.
Serena needs to listen to you. She is not "rightfully angry" about some things, but she does have some good input from time to time. But her racism and confrontational slurs have folks ignoring or discounting everything she says.
Good for you in trying to help her.
The sole of my huarache to you and your patronizing drivel, TM.
Aw....say it isn't so!
There are no indigenous people here Serena. Don't you know that?
"The first international congress on RIGHTEOUS ANGER"
I'll bet that was a hoot! By all means protest NAFTA to the sky.
Genocide is your favorite word I guess except for Gringo.
Oh well, if you prefer to sail alone.......
You betcha, TM.
In fact, we have a saying here in Spanish--Mejor solo que malacompañado.
Better alone than in bad company.
Fits this interchange perfectly.
I know you HOPE there are no indigenous people left on Turtle Island, but I have news for you, buster: You killed 20 million of us, but we are still here.
We don't celebrate Columbus Day, BTW: We celebrate the Day of Resistance to Genocide.
Serena,
You need to get some mental help. You sound like some unhappy lady who's gone through a roughshed or something. You sound more like a Mexican version of Al Sharpton. If you even bothered to visit the US and take the time to live in the red states or even red areas of blue states, you'd realize that nobody's pure. Now quit your gringo attack and just grow up already.
sexist personal attack ignored.
If not Columbus, it would have been some one else.
Your indigenous heroes did quite a bit of heart-cutting-out in Tenochitlan, and not that very long ago...
Self serving...I am a lower middle class American. In what way is my advice benefiting ME? You don't have to listen to me, that's fine. You obviosly are beyond receiving advice, especially from a gringo (or wetback, nigger, honkey, whatever "non-offensive" term you want to use).
I really hate working with people like you in the groups I've been active with. There is no logic that works, no matter how obviously destructive your nonsense is. It seems that you are in this argument and struggle for yourself, not for anyone else. You're no more logical in the end than the utopian "smash the state" anarchists I come across. I DO risk my well being if I go to dangerous areas and meet and work with people and groups who are under attack. I don't deserve a medal, the people fighting this day to day are far braver and are risking far more than myself (that doen't include you obviously). However, I could be like most Americans and do and say nothing, who don't try to help those under the boot of the US and the West. For you to throw that to the side is amazing, and I'm sorry self defeating. I know that Latin Americans can accomplish what needs to be accomplished, but is far more likely to succeed (and will be less coslty) if people in the developing countries are in solidarity with them and pressure their governments.
Gringo also is derogatory, you know this and use it as such, and it makes you look petty and small. In twenty years, if a social revolution happens and a new class of elites develop, they'll be reactionary chauvanists and they'll sound in may ways like you. There is no "gringos" or "wetbacks" in the left I care about or will associate with. Eat dirt.
I agree with most, if not all, of what I've seen you type. I've had to listen to the same advice, and changed my tactics. Trust me, your insults are self defeating.
You protest too much, sir.
I don't care if you are a sucker under peer pressure. I am not. Never have been, and at the age of 64, I am not about to change my feathers.
I am not you, and although we agree on some FACTS--how does one not agree in regard to FACTS, anyway? (unless you are a disinformation specialist for the US government)--that does not make our agendas in any way congruent.
My bottom line of concern is for the rights of indigenous people--whether they call themselves Native Americans, First Nations, Indigenas or Palestinians--which have been ground into sawdust--in this hemisphere the grinders have been white Europeans.
The truth is not an insult--and neither is it something to apologize for.
And I repeat, I did not ask you to risk your physical being for me. Far from it.
I suggest, since you engaged me in this "argument", that you go your way and I go mine.
Racism is racism...no matter who peddles it.
Right, so it is fine and dandy to call black people derogatory names then? It is fine and dandy to call Native Americans derogatory names then?
Just so we are clear.
Gringo is not derogatory. And it doesn't become so because gringos are too ignorant of other cultures to know.
Pinche gringo is derogatory.
Pinche gringo de mierda is even MORE derogatory.
And with pinche gringo de mierda hijo de la chingada, the ante goes up.
I have never used any of these epithets on this forum--despite being provoked by self-promoting snake oil hucksters who have called me a cow, a venomous snake and a handful of other expressions which are designed to BESTIALIZE (gringos believe that animals have no rights) me and disrespect my human rights.
Gabacho is also a label used in Mexico for foreigners--usually applied to any white foreigner, as it originally referred to French people during the French Intervention in Mexico during the imposition of Maximilian.
Gabacho is not derogatory, either.
Pinche gabacho is derogatory.
Pinche gabacho de mierda is MORE derogatory.
And with pinche gabacho hijo de la chingada the ante goes up.
Clear now?
PS: You gringos have always referred to Native Americans derogatorily--as in The only good indian is a dead indian, redskin, varmit, savage, etc. Why stop now?
The author of this piece made some ok points, but most of it was a recycling of conventional logic.
A large influence on Venezuelan policy is anarchism. It's obvious WHY the author of this piece ignored this. The author said, "Chávez's message harks back to the days of good old-fashioned populism -- a demagogic leader promising to redistribute the nation's wealth to the poor".
This is nonsense. Read LS Stavrianos book on the Third World, amazing. It shows in detail what Cardenas and Peron did while in power. Basically, at every turn they stiffled participatory measures and activity, their revolution was from above, which was in large part what hurt them. Venezuela has community councils, participatory measures in the constitution giving Venezuelans rights far beyond what we have here (already used in the recall measure, and the voting down of the laws within the last year). As Lula of Brazil said recently, Venezuela (contrary to what is said in the corporate media here and elsewhere) doesn't suffer from too LITTLE democracy, it suffers from too MUCH democracy. I disagree, but that is what he said and it is far different than Cardenas and Peron.
All of the social movements in Latin America want very similar things (denied to them by neo-liberalism and the West), control over their lives, public policy and resources. They want functioning democracy. HOW that comes about differs from country to country, is complex and far beyond ideology alone. El Salvador is about to join the list by the way and have an election coming up.
Here is Latin America's stances on the issues, remember now that this region has had more experience with "free market" capitalism than any other:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14444480.htm
According to the annual Latinobarometro survey, more than 80 percent of those living in continental Latin America and the Dominican Republic -- a region of 400 million people -- believe the government should control and oversee public services such as pensions, health and education, the annual survey showed.
...In Argentina, Chile and Uruguay, some 90 percent believe that pensions should be in the hands of the state. All currently have private pension systems. Seventy-eight percent of respondents in Chile also believe the telecoms system, privatized 20 years ago, should be in state hands.
Latinobarometro also polled different countries in the region about how happy they were with their democracies. Not rule by benevolent "strong men", democracy. Which country, since 1998 has seen the biggest increase in democracy in the region? Which country is happiest with their democracy in the region? The center of the "bad left", Venezuela. According to this well respected and objective polling did the "soft left" Chile do better than the "hard left" Venezuela? Let's see...
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:-WKyB5TpqPcJ:www.rethinkvenezuela.com/downloads/Democracy%2520in%2520Venezuela%2520-%2520Latinobarometro.pdf+2008+Latinobarometro+democracy+in+venezuela&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
Latinobarómetro 2008 finds that Venezuela has the region’s highest rate of support for democracy as the best system of government, and the second highest rate of satisfaction with the actual functioning of democracy. Satisfaction with democracy has shot up by 14 percentage points over a decade ago, when President Chávez was first elected. While Venezuela ranked two percentage points below the regional average on this issue in 1998, it is 12 points ahead of the regional average in 2008.
In the poll, Venezuelans were the most likely among all Latin Americans to view voting as the best way to affect political change. A full 80 percent held this view, compared to 55 percent in Chile. Venezuelans were by far the least likely to agree that it is impossible to influence political change, while Chileans were the most likely to agree. Meanwhile, though fifteen percent of Venezuelans said they had attended a protest, this country was the second-to-least likely to express the view that political change is best sought by protesting. This indicates a high level of confidence in official channels for political participation.
But what happens when the oil taps out?
You whine about imperialism and Israel and whatever other enemies you can create to take the peoples' minds off their problems.
Hmmm. Maybe you schmucks should be PAYING me.
yawn....
Well, that's a couple hundred years down the road, considering that Venezuela has the largest petroleum reserves on this planet.
A lot can happen in 100 years.
Me, I plan on dying long before then.
Her citation of the viewpoints of the Economist, without any critical analysis, pretty much reveal her biases.
Most know I am not a Chevez admirer, but lets see how he does without the prop of abnormal oil profits before claiming his model works.
"Chávez's message harks back to the days of good old-fashioned populism -- a demagogic leader promising to redistribute the nation's wealth to the poor".
Nonsense? I believe its a fair accessment.
Lets wait and see how these governments play out before crowning them leftist success's.
Fire away Serena.
You really need to keep up.
No, YOU do.
You are one of the most deliberately--and perhaps even perversely--UNINFORMED folks who has posted on this forum.
Serena, just calm down sweetie. You could have made it clear to Thomas that he's not answering your question by posting proof. I'll tell you this. There's nothing great to be proud of for the last 8 years but Mexico is in the mud too.
So?
Mexico is not a member of the Latin American LEFT--the topic of this article and this thread.
You are posting on the wrong thread. The Miami Herald has a different website.
Where's the beef, pal--er, evidence?
YES, it is nonsense. It's superficial logic. It's like saying because the Scandanavian countries in the 1960's were (social democratic) capitalist and the US had a larger welfare state that had similar charecteristics they were the same. Cardenas and Peron did not have any participatory measures. When students and workers tried they were attacked, that is 100% different than Venezuela, and it shows in how happy Venezuelans are with their DEMOCRACY. In the end Thomas, people like you are hoping that Venezuelans lose whatever social rights they've gained and go back to pre-Chavez Venezuela. What was that like Thomas, and what policies caused the mass poverty and destruction? THAT question is never asked, if not Chavez then WHAT exactly that has actually worked? WHAT policies can be put in place that will make people equally happy with their democracy and help them develop? Cause what the US tries to force on countries (pre-Chavez Venezuela) didn't work, the people don't want it.
Also, oil is NOT going to go down in price over the long term. Most natural resources, outside of things like gold, are going down in price (even in many cases manufactured goods and real estate in case you haven't noticed). It is a resource with a high demand, that is finite in amount and whose extraction and use might be taxed for environmental purposes. Over the long term it will not go down in price. If it does it will be illogical and against mainstream economic laws, it will be also at the expense of more environmentally friendly forms of energy and energy conservation. If prices are low there is far less incentive to switch to alternative sources or to conserve the finite amount of oil left.
Using your logic anyway, I guess we can conclude that since the US housing market is down now it will not recover. What Venezuela and other oil producing countries could do is cut back supplies. They are also moving away from the dollor slowly, what will hapen to the US when the dollor is no longer the reserve currency around the world? Luckily, the have a lot of currency reserves and have far more cooperation from other countries in the region. The only thing that will die in the long run is the failed "free market" nonsense that ruined the country for the the last few decades. Thank god.
As I said, El Salvador is next. Who knows, maybe if the elites don't steal another election, Mexico might follow in the years ahead.
I have a history question here, why did the Mexican leadership bring back Santa Anna to fight the americans in the 1840's when he lost to the Texacans in the 1830's ? I had always wondered what they were thinking.
You should be asking a much broader question, dagger: Why was Santa Anna president ELEVEN times?
I thought this thread wasn't about Mexico?
Yah, and when the explosion comes, you will go running with your little blue passport to the nearest US consulate, while your indigenous friends die like lambs...
Serena is bitter because she knows that her messiah is going to lose his referendum on February 15...
The greatest gift South American leaders can bring to their countries and to the world as well is to make democratic socialism work. Unfortunately in such shifts of power, new power can be so corrupting, particularly in Chavez' case where his ego is tragically leading him to crony corruption and dictatorship rather than honest social reform and democratic socialism.
Dictator? That more accurately describes Bush, not President Chavez.
I heard that President Evo Morales is cutting relations with Israel. He wants Ehud Ohlmert tried for war crimes. Good man! Viva Morales!
It's true, winning t. And official, as of this afternoon. Evo has also demanded that Shimon Peres be stripped of his Nobel Peace Prize (too bad Arafat, his compinche and vendepatrias, can't be stripped posthumously).
The video of Evo's speech is available: http://www.aporrea.org/ddhh/n127089.html
The rights of indigenous peoples are the bottom line here--not dancing cheek to cheek with gringos and zionists.
Serena, I viewed the video. Awesome. Thanks for the link. Regards.