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Memo to Obama: National Health Insurance The Only Solution
First off, congratulations to you and your party on your sweeping election results!
Together with a sizable majority of Americans, I am again hopeful for the future of our country. My special concern, however, is for our failing health care system and how it is pricing health care beyond the reach of ordinary Americans. Our system has come to the point where none of the many incremental reforms will work. The business model of insurance has failed, and we need to rebuild the system on a social insurance model.
Let me be direct. Although we have many dedicated health professionals, an abundance of the latest technologies, and many fine hospitals, health care has become just another commodity to be bought and sold in a deregulated market based on ability to pay, not medical need. As you well know, industry profits handsomely from the status quo, raking in money through insurance, pharmaceuticals, medical devices, and so on. Industry has a war chest to defend itself and demonstrates its political power each time any new reform is brought up.
But the situation has become dire. There is no end in sight in controlling health care costs as they soar upwards at three or four times the cost of living and family incomes. We have had three decades of incremental attempts to rein in costs, including managed care and consumer-directed health care. None have worked. We have a solution in plain sight - single-payer National Health Insurance (NHI). Market stakeholders are fighting it fiercely, but it's the only real reform that has a chance to work.
Most of your advisers will likely caution you that NHI is too radical for Americans to accept, that you need to be more centrist, and that it is not politically feasible. But therein lies your trap. You wwill be persuaded to add one more incremental attempt to fix things, which will not work, will cost more than ever, will delay real reform, and will add to the pain of so many along the way. Your moment of opportunity will have been lost.
Beyond ideology, these facts support NHI as the treatment of choice in 2009.
- Premiums alone for private health insurance have grown by more than 100 percent since 2000, and are projected to consume all of average household income by 2025, clearly an impossibility way before then.
- According to the Milliman Medical Index, the typical American family of four spent $15,600 on total health care costs in 2008, fully one-quarter of the typical combined family income of $60,000; most consider 10 percent of family income to be the threshold of underinsurance.
- The administrative overhead of private insurers is five to nine times higher than not-for-profit Medicare (average for commercial carriers 19.9 percent, investor-owned Blues 26.5 percent, Medicare 3 percent).
- The inefficiency and bureaucracy of our 1,300 private insurers are not sustainable (e.g., according to the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, there are 17,000 different hea1th plans in Chicago).
- Private insurers offer much less choice than traditional Medicare; there are near-monopolies in 95 percent of HMO/PPO metropolitan markets, enough to trigger anti-trust concerns by the United States Department of Justice.
- Because of costs, about 75 million Americans are either uninsured of underinsured, with large segments of the population forgoing necessary care and having worse health care outcomes; the United States now ranks nineteenth among nineteen industrialized countries in reducing preventable deaths from amenable causes.
- Wall Street is already questioning the future prospects of the private insurance industry; as of November 18, 2008, the average share prices of the top five private insurers were down by between 60 percent and 77 percent, compared to the Standard and Poor's 42 percent.
I expect that none of this is news to you, but what is neglected by almost all economists, "experts" and pundits is that there is already plenty of money in the system, that we waste about one-third of our health care dollar on our inefficient multi-payer financing system and on unnecessary care, and that NHI will save money, not cost more. NHI is the most fiscally responsible thing we can do now about health care. The Conyers bill in the House (H.R. 676) will be financed by payroll and progressive income taxes that will be less than what individuals and employers now pay. The health insurance industry is being propped up by government subsidies to the employer-based system and to privatized public programs. NHI can save some $350 billion through administrative simplification, while offering coverage for all necessary care, full choice of provider and hospital, and mechanisms for cost containment through bulk purchasing, negotiated fees, and global budgets.
NHI by itself will not solve all of our health care problems, but it will provide a structure (as no incremental approach can) to enable other necessary steps. These include acceptance of health care as a right, transition to a not-for-profit system, reimbursement reform, rebuilding of primary care, evidence-based technology assessment, and quality improvement. None of this will be possible by using reforms that leave an obsolete private insurance industry in place, as is more fully discussed in my recent book "Do Not Resuscitate: Why the Health Insurance Industry is Dying, and How We Must Replace It."
FDR almost went for NHI in the mid-1930s, but he backed off, mainly due to the AMA's opposition. Today, the AMA is marginalized with a membership of no more than 30 percent of physicians, and a majority of American physicians now support NHI. Implementing NHI in your presidency can be your FDR-size legacy. It has become an economic, moral, and social imperative. Overnight NHI can bind us together as one society, all of us in the same boat. We can afford it. Yes, we can!
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120 Comments so far
Show AllNational Health Insurance, like communists of the past and Muslim jihadis of the present, is a mortal enemy of the Republicans and Democrats, not to mention this nation's insurance companies who pay off the R's and the D's to abort it in the womb. The current Snake Oil Health System of the Snake Oil Republic may get a dose of Red Bull out of this incoming administration but the real health care system of this nation is still praying that you don't get sick.
I agree with your rather sobering analysis. Those making a fortune from the present system will fight any change even the tiniest let alone REAL change in the form of a NHI system. If Obama can pull this off he'd be one of the greatest Pres. in American history bar none. It's not going to happen, so I think we can forget about it. The people with wonderful health Ins. to be blunt don't give a God damn about the rest of with either no coverage ( 45 mil. and growing daily) or with lousy or extremely expensive lousy coverage ( like me.) In fact let me say this the very word coverage is itself becoming an oxymoron to some degree. The BIG Ins. Industry specializes in narrowing coverage while raising the cost and this dynamic cannot go on forever. If allowed to in the end we will essentially have a non-system that includes only 3 classes of people. 1. the wealthy ( or those who are covered reasonably at work) 2. the Gov't employed. 3. the un-covered or under covered. The 3rd class is growing and the other two are rapidly sucking up more and more of the available medical resources. This non-system is eating our economy alive. The sad truth is nobody with power really cares. Why? because, they always have great coverage.
If the US would cut back on reckless war spending and quit giving rogue nations WMDs in addition to cracking down on sleazy insurance companies, healthcare would be affordable. God is punishing America for enabling Israel's bad behavior by keeping us in a broken down healthcare system !
"God is punishing America for enabling Israel's bad behavior by keeping us in a broken down health care system !" Talk about trying to connect the dots! I don't think God works quite that way. Nice try.
Speak for yourself. God is working that way but you can't handle the truth. If you think Obama and the Democrats are gonna give you single payer, keep dreaming. They're all tied to the corporate interests as well as to pro-nazi interests such as AIPAC, OPEC, oppressive rightwing dictators, etc ... And until hemp 4 fuel is given a legal status, the upcoming Peak Oil will force us all in America and Europe to live the lives of the Palestinians you keep having fun killing. Rest in pieces chump !
JWVerez:First sentence:yes. Last sentence:I don't think so. Happy New Year. I am curious. I grew up Orthodox Jew, so I am familiar with the concept of "a punishing God". Do you think God punished you for something, so you got disabled in Vietnam? I do not believe in the punishment concept, not after I became an atheist Jew at 15. But, you might.I do not believe my severe,disabling illness is a punishment from God.
Hmmm, I ask myself that question sometimes. I do admit that I used to fall for the lies about Vietnam war somehow making a man out of me until I lost my legs and an arm so I'm afraid so.
JWVerez:I don't understand. Do you believe you were punished because you fell for the lies about the Vietnam War? Why you? I feel sad if you think being hurt was caused by God's punishment. There's no way to have a discussion about theology, well, not for me.
At times I would feel that way although I've gotten over that feeling too for the most part. I don't know what would have happen had I escapeed that blast. Maybe I would have stayed longer but if I did, maybe I would have gotten tired of the war and joined the protesters or maybe came back still thinking that being in the army was a great idea. Of course, if I ended up staying unemployed and looked down upon like most returning veterans, I might have been like Rambo or maybe I would have realized that going to war just wasn't worth anything in life. The possibilities were endless. My parents convinced me that joining the military would boost my clout since my dad was unable to make enough to help pay for college. My mom was a housewife back then. I used to blame my parents for my disabilities back when I was in suicidal mode but got remedied on that too for the most part. I guess it's just that on the occasion, I'll get grumpy and blame God or my parents but then I'll remember in an hour or two that it was our bad pols that pushed this mess. I'll also admit that as a soldier I never had a good feeling every time I killed anyone and the haunted thoughts accumulated in my mind over time. Often times, the haunted thoughts would distract me from watching out. The more I was engaged and the more I watched my comrades shoot additionally, the more haunted memories of shooting to kill I collected and the more I found my life at risk. That blast just happened to be that unlucky moment. The draft dodgers in this country never had to go through all this unlike every one of us soldiers. Those who were never haunted by the killing thoughts were savage by nature and would take killing as if it were a cool sport which it isn't. SiouxRose told me to think in terms of karma earlier today. Maybe she does have a point. The more one kills, the more haunted memories distract him or her and the greater one increases their odds of losing focus and being a possible casualty. Washington will never ever think about that.
JWVerez:I just found your comment. Very moving writing. Like I said last year, chuckle,Dec.?) do more, a lot of writing. This comment is one of the best I've seen on CD. (Before I forget:I got to go to college on the GI Bill, kid of a disabled/deceased WWII vet. He was a mailman and I don't think he could have paid for me to go to college, if he hadn't been disabled in WWII,then dead. I was ten when he died, after he'd had been in and out of VA hospitals most of my life. He made my mother promise to send me to college, she later told me. That's unusual, since I'm a woman. I went to college at 16. Being working class, I got encouraged to go to a local school or state teachers college. I didn't know that Ivy League schools existed and was never told. I felt bad later that I'd never been sent on scholarship, but then realized, I'd have felt odd for being poor in an Ivy League school. My mother, widowed at 38, while pregnant, wanted me to have a good profession. At that time, teaching looked secure. Of course, I wanted to be an artist...But I did teach for 5 years in public schools.) (My father was patriotic. His mother was 1/2 WASP,early American, and half Jewish. He'd been in the national guard before he went into the army. I have had a career Army uncle on my mother's side. My father's last 8 years and having no father for so long, made me antiwar.)
In my heart, I do not believe you are responsible for being in the blast, for ever having brought "bad stuff" on yourself, which resulted in your becoming disabled. I do not believe I am responsible in any way for becoming disabled by illness. I do know what you mean about guilt:I am a rape survivor (from when I was in my mid20s, by a stranger). Women were told decades ago that it's their fault:clothing, time of day, etc. (I was wearing a tailored shirt and jeans. It was 9pm) It took me awhile to get beyond:should I have done something different? I say to you about your experience, mine, and all of us have some experience(s):we didn't deserve it. On the humor side ( because humor has been a great lifelong joy for me):I have noticed that rich people die also. I celebrate that you are alive. That I am alive. Even when we disagree. You are a good writer. Consider a book....articles....and more comments, of course.
...The people with wonderful health Ins. to be blunt don't give a God damn about the rest of with either no coverage ( 45 mil. and growing daily) or with lousy or extremely expensive lousy coverage ( like me.)...
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Sadly, this is so true. It's the American philosophy of "Me first; screw you". It's a pervasive attitude that goes like this: $500 monthly premium payments to a profit-oriented insurance company = patriotism. $50 per month more in taxes deducted from your paycheck = socialism/communism.
Yes, Big Insurance and Big Pharma have powerful lobbyists. But We-the-People can overcome that--if we can rally sufficient numbers. Imagine this scenario: There's a million-citizen-march down the streets of Washington D.C. This group is so large that the Capitol security guards get shoved aside. There's not enough police to arrest everyone. The crowd bursts into the halls of Congress. It doesn't matter how many politicians were bought off by the special interests when there's a crowd of angry citizens standing around every one of them, saying, "You're not leaving until you approve the Conyers bill."
It sure is a nice dream.
Not true. A retired Gov. employee, it breaks my heart to see growing numbers of people sick and hungry. Not everybody is a wanna be fat cat.
"The people with wonderful health Ins. to be blunt don't give a God damn about the rest of with either no coverage ( 45 mil. and growing daily) or with lousy or extremely expensive lousy coverage"
Pretty much, correct. When you will see broad support for this is when you can explain on paper, in fairly exhaustive terms, how it will cost me, the average middle class person with inexpensive employer subsidized insurance how it's going to provide me with better/same coverage at same/less cost.
nwfisher:Don't you get tired of that old song of yours? People have extensively answered you, over and over. Go into the search box for CD. I think your key words are "explain...exhaustive...". (I post this comment as a warning to others. I got "pulled in" to his no-answer- will- ever- do land on another "thread".)
No, you've never answered it once, you pretend to answer it then cry like a baby about it, but you never answer it.
I pay about $160.00 a month for employee +1 coverage. That's because my employer bears most of the cost. Under a national plan, my taxes would no way, no how increase more $160.00 a month (on about 80K in income)? My employer would of course save considerably more than that (depending on how taxes were changed on him under a national plan). He might pass that savings on to me in the form of increased wages that would offset my potentially increased taxes, but how do I know he wouldn't just take it as additional profit?
Care to reference a link or something to this mythical answer of yours where it spells out in precise detail taxes on individuals would increase this much, taxes on employers would increase this much, etc...?
yohocoma:you fell for his bait. It will keep going until you (and others) get tired of his reruns. And phoney questions. He is opposed to single-payer. He's done his hat trick before on CD.
Has anyone even considered that Obama already has a really good health care plan?
Did anyone actually bother to read it?
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
It makes more sense than trying to re-make the entire system, thereby collapsing it in the process.
.The Obama health care proposals are as fatally flawed as is our current health care system. Leaving 25 million of us without such care rather than the current 45 million is a bit of a bandaid not a solution.
I understand that the collapsing economy ( thanks Georgie) makes universal health coverage a more difficult sell to some shortsighted folks, yet all the data, and all the empirical evidence garnered from all those nations currently using such care show plainly that , after startup costs , the care provided is better and less expensive that our current product. Just the fact that everyone can be covered makes such a system worthy of pursuit.
For profit care is killing many, is responsible for 50% of all bankruptcies in this nation, makes our health care the most expensive in the world, and by far, and leaves this country 37th in the world in providing such care. I cannot believe that any compassionate American could be happy with such.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Sioux Rose
ARDEE: In addition to the points you make, there is also the compelling capitalistic concern regarding profit. As the fate of G.M. demonstrates, it's often favorable to industry to have a system of universal coverage that leaves out the insurance strong-arms. I'm sure many small businesses would prefer to see everyone covered without their having to minimize profits by actually covering their employees out of pocket. A good many companies now hire "temps" to avoid the larger responsibility for things like health care, so more and more people now face "YOYO" style economics on a personal basis. (YOYO = you're on your own)
.I do not absolutely believe that profit, in and of itself, is necessarily "evil". A reasonable and fairly earned profit margin is , after all, essential to the health of any business. Havng said that I do insist that it is the overwhelming need to find more and more profitability each and every quarter that has led our corporate takeover of our Legislative processes. Our politicans are owned , body and soul, by the cash that flows to them from our Boardrooms. I envision a system in which socialism and capitalism merge.
Capitalism needs regulation as children need supervision and guidance. Socialism provides the mechanism wherein our government can fulfill its essential social contract with the citizenry, administering those services that "provide for the general welfare", which of course includes health care for all.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
yohocoma:If we didn't scare him off, he'll do what he's done before: never answer your question, but demand you answer more questions. Finally, he may once again, put his own plan design online again. But, like another person we know, called very aptly/amusingly by someone (wish I'd thought of it)Mr. Bait and switch... I recognized from knowing one Republican who does it all the time. It's a loop..........
Could I afford it... probably, would I do anything and everything I could to stop it from happening, yes, and so would most people who already have insurance. My responsibility is to MY family. I have compassion for others up to and until it starts to impact my ability to provide for my own child. I am pointing out to you (since you seem reasonable not an idiot like others that shall remain nameless), that at SOME point specifics are going to have to be spelled out and people are going to see how it effects them individually, and if it involves a raw deal for the vast mjority who already DO have have insurnace at a subsidized rate it will go down in flames as we storm the gates of congress. We can talk all day about how it SHOULD save this much in total costs, blah, blah, blah, but until there is a specific plan with specific numbers it's all masturbation.
I don't (as certain mental defectives like to puke up) oppose single payer. I'm all for it, it's a noble goal, as soon as you show me how it won't cost me any more money.
You make a few fundamental mistakes in your thinking.
First, you aren't paying for someone else to have health care under single payer. You are paying for YOUR OWN insurance. The thing you are currently paying for under the system as it stands now is profits for the upper 5%.
Secondly, you are currently paying 30% off the top for the profits of those previously mentioned 5%. Does THAT make sense to you? Where is your indignation at defense of your family at That fact?
Thirdly, if you look at the rest of the industrialized world, you will find out that they pay less, and their deaths due to preventable causes are FAR lower than ours. Jamaica has a lower infant mortality rate than we do, for instance, and they aren't even considered an industrialized country. They are, in fact, third world. How does that fit in with your defending your family's well being?
Fourth, you assume that it will cost you more. How can it, there is 30% wiped off the top of the bill at it's outset. If you believe in the "free market", then you must agree that a larger bartering group has more purchasing clout than a smaller one. In this case, it's the largest bartering group possible, it's ALL of us.
BTW, there is NO free market, and there never has been. That is a fallacy set up by those who have nothing but greed running their lives, and at YOUR expense.
You have to look at reality. The way things are set up right now is a complete failure. Business should not be ssaddled with the cost of health care, and health care should not be a for profit commodity. It should be seen as a right for every American, just like it's seen as a right for every citizen of every other industrialized country on the face of the planet. Until we change this, you are paying for a system that is screwing you for every penny it can, and you are standing up for it's survival while it's standing up to kill you off by denying you health care. And that is exactly what it does stand for. It makes no money by actually supplying you with health care, it only makes money by denying it to you and then jacking up your rates.
You want an example? Look at what it costs to ship something via UPS, FED EX or the USPS. Which offers you the lowest rates? It's the USPS, and by a large margin, in spite of the unionization of the USPS, and it's federal way of doing things. And how many things do they ship per day vs how much do they lose or misplace? They do a pretty remarkable job, and most of the time, people's lives and health aren't involved. What makes you think they would do a worse job when it is? And it's not the feds who would be in charge of your health care, just in charge of paying for it.
In numbers are strength, that is the one thing the righties don't want you to wake up to. Watch the movie ANTZ and learn a lesson from it. WE outnumber the ones making the big bucks by screwing us, and it's time to take our health care back from the profit mongers.It's time to send the grasshoppers packing.
"Business should not be ssaddled with the cost of health care, and health care should not be a for profit commodity."
Exactly! Any business, large or small, that is currently paying for employee health care should welcome a single-payer national health insurance plan, because it would eliminate a large overhead expense. It might even contribute to "saving" GM, Ford and Chrysler.
BIG INSURANCE and BIG PHARMA spend billions (out of funds you pay them for health coverage) on propaganda campaigns aimed at "conservatives" who then, without thinking it through and thereby cutting off their noses to spite their faces, become rank-and-file spokespeople against national coverage. It is only insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies that are against this.
But, guess who funds politicians' campaigns on both sides of the aisle. Government today is not of the people, by the people, for the people. It is of the quid pro quo, by the quid quo pro, and for the quid pro quo. (Wow. Say THAT three times fast.)
-- ekaton aka d.k.shaw
As much as you might like to reduce the argument to you personally and your family you really can't escape the fact that you are a part of larger social structures. I'm not talking about touchy-feely altruism, I'm talking about real financial obligations. Right now your local government is probably paying as much as 25% of their budget to cover employee healthcare. This is the fastest growing segment of their budget. On top of that the plan that Obama is planning to implement to the benefit of the private insurance industry is going to cost billions in burgeoning outlays for the Federal government over the coming years, all borrowed money. In other words the current system is about to swamp the ship and you're on it.
So if you aren't motivated by fear that you or someone you love might lose their job and with it their cozy insurance policy then maybe you will consider the rising taxes, the loss of government services and the scuttling of the entire economy as sufficient reasons to back single-payer.
Here is a very specific way single payer could affect you and your family personally. Have you ever had a serious medical situation that had to be taken care of in your family? Did you ever have to fight an insurance company which tried to deny your claim? How much "out of pocket" expenses did you have to pay? If none of those have been issues for you so far, consider yourself lucky. When you are up against these things, your "cheap" subsidized coverage that you have may not look so good any more. With single payer these struggles will be things of the past. (That's not a pipe dream, it's been proven in most industrialized countries in the world.) That's not to even mention what the other posters and the author have said about the 1 in 4 Americans (75 million) who are un- or under-insured, be we will assume you don't care about them. By the way, I am self-employed and pay my own health insurance and it's expensive, the deductible is high, and the coverage is far from comprehensive. And I'm certainly not in that one-in-four statistic. What I'm telling you is that a lot more than one in four Americans have crappy, expensive health coverage. You may feel a "vast majority" have cushy coverage like you think you have, but I would venture to say it's not vast, or really a majority at all.
One other little thing, Mr. Fisher. If you lose your job, your cushy insurance will disappear with it. Single payer will uncouple jobs from insurance coverage. But I'm sure you don't care about that either.
.What is odd here,nwfisher, is that every time the discussion turns to health care you show up and post the same tired falsehoods and phoney criticisms of single payer care. Every time someone takes the pains to point out your distortions and incorrect assumptions as well, yet here you come again with the same old stuff...How does this help?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
I agree with "five corners", the people with health insurance or medicare supplemental aid or social security help do not care about the rest of us who are either underinsured or cannot get insurance through the Aetnas and Blue Cross et al.
We are forced to go to programs that charge incredible fees for insurance and live in the very few states that offer these insurance programs. there has to be an answer.
I did vote for Obama because the alternative was unthinkable. Clinton was the only one who believed in Universal Health Care but, she wasn't elected was she. Obama at least talked the Health Care talk. Perhaps Jan. 15th should be a national call-in day. There is a health care crisis! I like the scenario of a million citizen march.
Let's make it more than a dream.
I'm sorry to tell you but Hillary Clinton's healthcare policy was exactly the same as Obama's. She was the one initially co-opted by the insurance lobby. Obama, smart fella that he is, just copied her proposals and said I'm as good as her on healthcare. As for a real solution, it was gone from the electoral process more than a year ago. Unless you were for Nader or McKinney, which come to think of it I was.
I "wasted" my vote on Nader. I wish I had "wasted" it on McKinney. She actually tried, with her own body and safety at stake, to bring medicine and other supplies into Gaza. We should all have that kind of intestinal fortitude.
-- ekaton aka d.k.shaw
I hope you're kidding about wasting your vote on Nader. Otherwise I'd have to spend hours arguing with you. Single payer alone is enough to justify supporting either of these two candidates.
Doug, I voted for Ralph Nader. Note that "wasted" is in quotation marks. But I do wish I'd voted for McKinney.
Doug Shaw aka ekaton
.I admire and respect the actions of Cynthia McKinney in trying to bring aide to the Palestinian people. But Ralph Nader has a long history of public service that certainly exceeds that of McKinney, thus was deserving of my vote. She does get my thanks however.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Excellent comments Fivecorners. Count me in on the million man march.
Dr. Skigalini
Advocate for Nationalized Health Care
I think maybe the time for change is come. I been watching reruns of The Western Tradition on TV. I watched some of them many times. There are patterns.
It's almost like we are powerless and the old Greek gods have us dancing to one tune, then another. If there is such a thing as free will I have yet to see it. People worshiped at the shrine of Ronald Reagan until George II reduced a third of us to serfdom.
The whole question may be moot. The whole thing may come apart.
The 3rd class is growing thanks to you brown shirt zionists allowing costly wars for oil and shipping billions of taxpayer money worth of WMDs to rogue nations including Israel in addition to trade deficits caused by "free" trade. Maybe you should learn to live the life of a Palestinian and then you'll actually learn. Your support of "I got mine, FUCK you" attitude has dragged us all into this mess we're now in.
JWVerez:I can't let this comment go bye without saying something to you. (I don't know if you remember me,) but you can't blame everything bad in the world on zionists. Or Jews. Disclosure:I am a Jew and am opposed to the Israeli government policy towards Palestinians. I am also opposed to my government, the US government's policies in the middle east and Afghanistan. So are many others. You might consider googling "Constantine's Sword", the James Carroll book or the documentary. I usually ignore "off base" extreme comments, but I like you, given that we are both disabled and have that in common.
I'm not blaming the Jews. As for the political zionists in Israel, well, giving them billions of our taxpayer money yearly which they never have to pay back only to see them continue to abuse that "generous" offer of ours I cannot stand. I'll admit though that bailing out Wall Street and reckless war spending in Iraq are the biggest culprits choking this country. In any case, we're borrowing from China and at some point they're gonna hit the foreclosure switch. Then only will this country actually be in a Great Depression the likes of which we've never seen and it will most likely make the one in the 1930s look like a picnic in pale comparison.
.The real wealth in this nation is found among white anglo-saxon protestants, those who inherited from generation back.
I am at a loss as to how you define "Zionists" but I assume it is a different definition from that of most folks as you somehow link it to extreme selfishness and great wealth. While I doubt anyone can get through to you I would note anyway that the great majority of Jewish Americans are rather liberal in their political views and their agreement about the necessity for social programs to assist the neediest Americans. Most vote overwhelmingly for democratic candidates and those who are responsible for the policies you castigate in your rather incoherent rant vote rather consistently ( always in fact) for republicans.
You need to calm down and do a bit of research.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Yes, I am referring to zionists in a broad sense. There are zionist rascals in the Arab world, Hindu zionists rising in India, and plenty of Christian zionist fundies in this country, all of whom misuse religion to generate wars and screw the working class to the point of there being virtually no middle class and a very high percentage of low class povertized citizens. You won't find the Religious Right pushing for single payer healthcare even as they loudly proclaim "pro-life". They're pro DEATH on everything no matter which religion. That's why I've become less religious over the years with an occasional outrage. Maybe I sound like Jeremiah Wright when I said that God is PUNISHING America with a broken healthcare system for aiding and abetting the bad behavior of the political elite in Israel against the innocent Palestinians and they even admitted on tv to protecting Hamas. But it's undeniable that the US has a completely smashed healthcare system and there's blatant injustice in Israel thanks to the mighty generous aid to Israel along with Europe's silence.
.While you and he may be political allies in this particular topic there is no good reason to fail to read and ponder his meaning:
"The 3rd class is growing thanks to you brown shirt zionists allowing costly wars for oil and shipping billions of taxpayer money worth of WMDs to rogue nations including Israel in addition to trade deficits caused by "free" trade."
This implies so much that is prejudicial and nonsensical regarding both the power and the intent of what he mistakenly labels "zionist" as to make my original comment stand. His claim of the great wealth and power of such "zionists" still misses the boat as to who it is exactly that runs this country. WASPS do and have forever.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
"WASPS do and have forever."
And despite the rhetoric, is not likely to change for the foreseeable future in my opinion.
.Every single time you agree with me you gain IQ points.....;-)
Seriously Thomas, where do they get this crap?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
www.jamescarroll.net/Constantine.html (I liked the book.) The answer to "where (did) they get this crap?".
.Thanks for the link, NYCa, I would conjecture that almost every religion has much to atone for in its history.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Darn, I love getting smarter.
.I know exactly how you feel, why sometimes I can almost tie my own shoelaces!!
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
That is one of my ambitions. I'm envious.
Mordechai Shiblikov: I'd like to make two teenee weenie points: "womb" doesn't work for me (uterus). I love your last line, but I don't think "this nation is still praying that you don't get sick". The government and the nation are not interchangeable. I wonder if the legislators, administration leaders even care or really think whether people get sick or not. Good segment on DemocracyNow this morning, mentioning how our health care system costs more than those with singlepayer. www.democracynow.org And hello. You're on "a roll".