Campaigning to Restore the Constitution
Two hundred and twenty-one years ago this week, the Constitutional Convention that had gathered in the touchstone city of Philadelphia to replace the Articles of Confederation with a more clearly drawn guiding document for their revolutionary experiment agreed finally on a framework to govern the new United States.
In so doing, Benjamin Franklin suggested, the framers established a republican framework sturdy enough to outlast them - if, Franklin warned, ensuing generations of Americans could keep faith with the Constitution.
The document that was ratified September 17, 1787, though amended and interpreted, remains as Franklin knew it.
But the republic has not been well kept.
The United States of 2008 is stuck in the foreign entanglements created when two wars were initiated without being declared by Congress as required in Article 1 of the Constitution.
Warrantless wiretapping and data mining projects developed and implemented by the current administration in violation of laws explicitly designed to prevent abuses make a mockery of privacy protections outlined in the 4th amendment.
Torture and extraordinary rendition, as practiced in U.S. operated detention centers and carried out by U.S. authorities, in an aggressive affront the 8th amendment bar on cruel and unusual punishment of those in the country's custody.
Presidential signing statements and the refusal of current and former White House aides to cooperate with congressional inquiries, have created a dramatic imbalance between a super-powerful executive branch and a disempowered legislative branch. This undermining of the system of checks and balances that has been at the heart of the constitutional project upsets the rule of law and creates a monarchical circumstance similar to that against which the colonials revolted.
Yet, responses to the crisis have been tepid to the point of being dysfunctional. The power to impeach has been taken off the table by congressional leaders, and the mild option of censure has been disregarded not for lack of necessity but for lack of political will.
So it is that America will on Wednesday mark a Constitution Day that cannot be a moment of celebration.
Rather, this Constitution Day requires of believers in the American enterprise a renewed commitment to the ideals - and the radical spirit - of the founders and essential document of the republic.
To that end, Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold -- who with his lonely vote against the Patriot act in 2001 and his consistent battles against executive excess since then has established himself as the most diligent defender of the Constitution in the current Congress -- will be as busy this week as were James Madison, George Mason, Ben Franklin and their fellow framers 221 years ago.
Feingold, who pondered seeking the Democratic nomination for the presidency this year but instead decided to focus on his duties as chairman of the Constitution Subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has taken it upon himself to use the run-up to this year's Constitution Day to highlight the need to restore the rule of law to the United States.
Feingold's constitutional renewal project has seen the senator working with a bipartisan cross-section of concerned leaders and activists that includes former U.S. Senator Lincoln Chaffee, R-Rhode Island, and Common Cause President Bob Edgar - whose group has launched a "Recapture the Flag" campaign "to restore public faith in the core values of American democracy - freedom from tyranny, respect for individual liberty and human rights, and government based on the rule of law" -- to highlight "what the next president must do to fully restore the rule of law after seven years of unprecedented Executive Branch power grabs."
Kicked off with a national conference call featuring Edgar, Chafee and Feingold, the Wisconsin senator was set Monday to deliver a major address at Georgetown University, in which he intended to challenge "the lofty and misdirected rhetoric of the Bush administration's ‘Freedom Agenda'" and suggest that "(America's) true self-interest (lies) in supporting democracy and the rule of law as essential to fairness and stability globally."
On Tuesday, Feingold will chair a Constitution Subcommittee hearing on "Restoring the Rule of Law." Legal scholars, historians and advocates will testify as part of what Feingold's office describes as "an effort to provide the next president with a full range of recommendations for reestablishing appropriate checks and balances in a variety of areas, including warrantless wiretapping, interrogation standards, detention policy, abuse of executive privilege, excessive government secrecy, violations of privacy and misleading Congress." The point of this intensive activity by Feingold and his allies is to get the media, the presidential candidates and Congress focused on the work of reestablishing the rule of law.
To that end, a broad coalition of organizations from across the ideological spectrum - ranging from the National Lawyers Guild and the Center for Constitutional Rights to the Republican Liberty Caucus and the American Conservative Defense Alliance, as well as Human Rights Watch, Common Cause and the American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression -- has been urging the presidential candidates and the media to dedicate Constitution Day (Wednesday) to discussing constitutional issues
In particular, the groups want Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama to explain what they think it means when they swear an oath "to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Noting that Obama and McCain had devoted September 11 to honoring the victims of attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and to expressing their commitment to promoting national service, the American Freedom Campaign's Steve Fox says, "We hope that (the Democratic and Republican nominees), along with other presidential candidates, will see September 17 as a similar opportunity to join together for an important anniversary. The Constitution is the foundation of our nation and deserves a day a day of its own on the campaign trail."
In particular, Fox and other organizers of the Constitution Day push are asking the candidates to address issues related to:
• Separation of powers and checks and balances
• Congressional oversight and executive branch accountability (including the executive branch's responsibility to comply with congressional subpoenas)• The appropriate use of signing statements
• Torture and habeas corpus
• Electronic surveillance and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA)
• Freedom of speech as it applies to potential whistleblowers in the next administration)
Noting that "presidents exercise a great deal of discretion and flexibility in interpreting the Constitution and that abuse of constitutional rights and safeguards can have significant harmful effects on the American people's lives," the more than three dozen groups that have endorsed the Constitution Day initiative have embraced the argument that "it is therefore essential... to understand where candidates stand on constitutional rights and separation of powers prior to their election."
These are, as the founders would have said, self evident truths.
Unfortunately, with the exception of the rare Russ Feingold, contemporary politicians tend to shy away from discussions about constitutional duties and precise interpretations of what the executive branch can and cannot do. If we are frank, we will acknowledge the ugly reality that the men who would be president keep the discussion vague because they want to maintain a flexibility to disregard the Constitution at will, as President Bush and his predecessors have so frequently done.
That is why it is so vital to raise constitutional questions now, when the men who would be president are supposed to telling us how they will govern -- and whether they will join the noble work of keeping the republic Ben Franklin and his comrades bequeathed to us.
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Bring America Back !!!!
***The article is CORRECT==NOW is the time to think and bring up all
the reasons to RESTORE our Constitution !!! Some of the bloggers are
sidetracked looking at its loopholes, failings, or double meanings.
For example: Senator Obama, and all House and Senate swear the Oath when
they are elected/appointed to ...Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution of the USA, against ALL Enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC...."
***When King George, his Neocons, NSA and the Big Telecons intentionally
violated felony based Wiretapping laws under FISA, they willingly
and gravely violated the Fourth Amendment===Privacy & Unreasonable search.
THESE WERE 'DOMESTIC' ENEMIES OF OUR FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
When Sen Obama voted FOR the FISA law, he violated his OATH to preserve,
protect, and defend the 4th Amendment. So, since Obama seeks to take
the SAME, IDENTICAL Oath in January 2009, how can we allow him to do it,
since he is in violation already !!!! ???? In any court of law in this
Nation, when you raise that right hand and swear an oath==you can and
should be held accountable if you violate it !!
Make sense to you ??? Makes great sense to me !! Let us all go to
www.aclu.com amd swear the pledge in the upcoming election to
Vote For the Constitution !!!! THEN, GO VOTE !!
I think the article is a good one. And I'd also add that there is a great deal of good, progressive analysis on how to improve the Constitution. It has enormous weaknesses, the primary among them is this: the American people as a whole can raise or decide no question via initiative or referendum. But the Montana state Constitution of 1972 makes this a fundamental right. Therefore we cannot recall an incompetent or criminal president or vice-president as can California and many other states can recall their governors.
Connect the dots folks. We as a people can decide no question. We don't vote for president but for "electors." The Senate is grossly disproportionate due to small states having the same representation as large states. Single seat districts with winner-take-all voting creates a two party system. Article V, the amending article, is what Texas University constitutional scholar Sanford Levinson calls an "iron cage" whereby the 13 smallest states comprising less than five percent of the US population can block any amendment to the Constitution. (See Montana's amending article for a good progressive set of processes.) The entire system has been taken over by plutocrats *because of these flaws*.
I urge those interested in progressive analysis of the Constitution (our second one, by the way) to study these books:
Frozen Republic: How the Constitution Paralyzes Democracy by Dan Lazare.
Our Undemocratic Constitution by Sanford Levinson.
How Democratic is the American Constitution? by Robert Dahl.
10 Steps to Improve American Democracy by Steven Hill.
Proportional Representation by Doug Amy.
A More Perfect Union by Larry Sabato.
The American State Constitutional Tradition by John Dinan.
Folks, this business of creating a progressive, constitutional revolution requires serious study. I urge all who are reading who want to overturn the totalitarian corporate regime and create a new progressive regime in America to study the Constitution's flaws and ways to fix them. These seven books are an excellent place to begin for those who have not read them. This is an area where we need more theory to inform our actions; more reading to energize our strategic planning; and more constitutional discussions to empower our proposals. Those who wrote the current and second Constitution studied their asses off to know what preceded them in terms of the innovations in governance of which they could be aware. We owe it to future generations to do the same.
Why does that NOT surprise me. Status quo is as status quo does - or is it thinks. Oops another oxymoron not worth a rebuttal.
That is the trouble with you elites you spend your time in rarified scholarly circles "studying things" while the Earth community of beings is being flushed down the toliet bowl. Why not get off your little fannies and do something besides sticking your nose in a frigging book?
Besides you people are always reading the WRONG FRIGGING books!
orez-eno's analogy isn't quite correct.
If the US were like Canada, it wouldn't have a presidency or executive branch at all. The presidents cabinet "departments", and therefore the day-to-day workings of government, would be controlled by congress, not the President.
The closest thing in the US to the PM in a parliamentary system would be the Speaker of the House. So, Nancy Pelosi, not Howard Dean would be our PM. The PM does get directly elected, but only by the constituents in their home districts.
But I agree, the parliamentary system is far, far more democratic. Elections can be called at any time by a vote of no confidence, and must be be completed in a couple months - so ther is NONE of this massive corporate-financed campaign nonsense.
And best of all, the parlaiment sessions themensves tend to be far more free-wheeling and vigirous, and passionate in the debates that ensue. There is far more diversity of opinions expressed - and they are expressed loudly! If you think the discussions here on Commondreams cause you to feel "morally raped" as someone wrote, don't even think of going to Ottawa, Canberra, or even London - you sensitive new-age egos may be both raped and assaulted.
Meanwhile, back in the DC, the ridiculous gavel-banging decorum and formality in the US Congress chamber and it's comittee hearing rooms seem almost designed to stifle dissenting views, or vigorous debate of any sort.
Come on, Obama gave his tacit approval to FISA by voting for it knowing all the while that the Telecom Industry was given blanket immunity. Nichols is a joke! On the one hand he writes these position pieces expressing his outrage and on the other he supports the pond scum who enact the shit. My native friends call this speaking with a forked tounge. What is Nichols suggesting? Elect the crap who enacts this shit and then try to get them to change their mind later? Wake up. This dude is entirely out of touch with the pain and suffering of real people. Just another inisde the belt way elite who knows what is best for all the little people he steps on every day.
Here is what Nichols is never going to get:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbJY2rs0QI
Fear of Republican retribution cows many if not most people. Russ is lucky he is from Wisconsin and got elected when he did,
And now for something completely different
Shake, Shake Senora- The Nightmare Before Christmas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1BG2mhVum8&feature=related
Senator Feingold is my Senator. He may be the exception to the rule when it comes to Democrat senators in some respects, but in the main he is an enabler of his party's disfunctionality. At best, he is the EXCEPTION that proves the rule. He functions as a gadfly similar to William Proxmire before him. A grandstander by default because rarely does his own party support his initiatives.
Please don't justify ANYTHING from Democrats by holding up Feingold as your example. We wait patiently for him to sponsor the Conyers-Kucinich healthcare bill in the Senate..... (Which his Dem colleagues will ignore, you can be sure)
He is the head of the Senate Foreign Relation Committee's subcommittee on AFRICA. Heard any good news about Africa lately? Probably not. The US keeps funneling money through Egypt to massacre Africans who are trying to rid themselves of the yoke of "client state" status. Not a peep from Russ on this, except for Somolia of course which is a failed state due to our own transgressions.
If you are Feingold groupie, consider yourself in denial. Raise your expectations. We in Wisconsin need that from you.
CD'ers
I second More Voices comment. I too am a Wisconsin resident and used to proudly point to Feingold's representation on such matters as the PATRIOT Act. He lost my family's and Dem. neighbors' support on his failure to sign onto the universal coverage,single payer, patient choice Conyers-Kucinich health care bill. My emails never get more than a "Hi, thanks for letting me know you know my email. This email response to you is so generic it won't even acknowledge the topic you contacted me about."
His speaking out on matters of the Constitution is the LEAST I would expect from a constitutional law expert like him AND Obama. Where are the filibusters, why is he so ineffective in convincing fellow Dem.s and the Repub.s? It's Dem.s like him and Kucinich that need to break from the party like Cindy Sheehan did, in order to uphold through ACTIONS their stated principles. This year, I've promised myself I am not going to give a vote for what I don't want. I've never picked a victor in a Presidential race in 30 years using the lesser evil argument, so at least it'll be a stand-out statement about current dominant party dissatisfaction when I vote third party for POTUS the 2nd time.
I can't trust Mccain or Palin to salvage what's left of the Constitution already destroyed by the Bush/Cheney gangsters. Nader's cool but he doesn't have the support in the House and Senate that he needs and he should be empowering progressive thinktanks and reforming the Democratic Party by primarying sellouts year after year. Neither Mccain or Hillary had respect for law abiding gun owners. At least Obama showed some respect and he has no plans to wreck the Constitution so he has my vote even though my state is not likely to go for him.
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
"Sen. Feingold is so cool!"
When he opposes the positions of the DLC.
Sen. Feingold is so cool! AND, he's not in the green party or an independent---he's a DEMORCRAT!!! Imagine that all you Democratic Party Haters.
Yeah, he's a truly groovy cat.
Too bad the Democratic-- or Demorcratic-- Party rules require all members to be spayed and declawed.
I'll give him credit, though-- at least he still arches his back and hisses & spits when the rats get too obnoxious!
If the Democratic Party had more people the likes of Russ Feingold, the country wouldn't be a shitpot today.
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
What's your point? The Dems are responsible for the shitpot that is our country? I can warm up to that sentiment. Notice how former firebrand Bernie Sanders has lost his nerve? I think castration is part of the Senate's induction ceremony - they never televise it, you know ;^) Not sure about the ladies....
Anyone who supports Democrats after their response to impeachment efforts is in very deep denial and delusional about the prospects for CHANGE in the next 10-20 years.
Please read more from counterpunch, progressive review, and antiwar. You are not getting the joke, if you continue apologizing for the national democrat fiasco.
Yes, he is one of the handful of (mostly) worthwhile Democrats. But he is also an enabler of the majority of Democrats who are worthless to progress for us.
That's not true. He stood out from most Democrats even on the issue of the 'Patriot Act'. I say he would make a great Senator of Idaho itself ! Sure, there are a lot of dumb brains in the party but not all Democrats are bad.
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
"In particular, Fox and other organizers of the Constitution Day push are asking the candidates to address issues related to:"
Pay attention. They have already addressed all these issues. They are both clearly opposed to the constitution. It couldn't be any more obvious. Politely asking them to restore the constitution is useless.
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
It will just be nice to have someone in the White House for a change who can read, little alone comprehend the Constitution.
Thank you. While I can agree with most of your analysis, I can also agree with some of the comment which remind us of our selective application or those rights and guarantees throughout history.
Not only do we need restoration, but we also need real equality in the way protections are allocated. Exclusion has no place in our democratic process. That in our short history, it has reached a point of near total genocide for some, should give pause to all.
As an aside... for those who endorse the efforts of Senator Feingold to almost single-handedly counter "The Party's" prevailing intent to trash our rights, but who have not written him to express that support, you might give it some due consideration. Unlike some CongressClowns, he demonstrates a willingness to listen to all by accepting email from out of his state. His office has always responded with a note of appreciation when my wife or I write to thank him for his work.
It can be a lonely fight. If you want real change, support those who work for your ideals and goals.
The 5th amendment bans forcing any "person" to testify against themselves.
So the torture and forced testimony at the torture camps such as Guantanamo also flies in the face of the 5th Amendment, a fact that is not often stated in the U.S. media.
Currently I live in the US. However, in Canada where I lived for a period of time, the name of the Prime Minister does not appear on a national ballot. In Canada you vote only for your Minister of Parliament, or MP (equivalent of congressman in US), not for the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister is the leader of the party. He/she is selected for that position by the party, not by the general population, and he/she wins the office of Prime Minister if the majority of MPs of his party are elected to the House of Commons (equivalent to Congress). As a side note, he/she must also win in his/her own riding (local district that he/she represents as a Minister of Parliament).
If only America had a similar system. In the last US election, because the democrats won a majority in congress, Bush would have to step down and Howard Dean (who is most comparable to party leader in Canada) would automatically become President.
Did you hear that? If this were Canada, Howard Dean would now be President by the election of 2006.
Despite the fact that average citizens in Canada (as well as England and Australia by the way) do not directly elect their Prime Minister, no one there complains that their system is undemocratic. Indeed, it is the American system that seems to them to be undemocratic. The idea of electing a single person from one of two powerful parties to be commander in chief is simply not democratic. It is a dictatorship in disguise. Result? The American government routinely commits crimes that we are brought up to believe are only done by other, fascist countries, like Russia. Examples: Assassination of President Kennedy by the CIA. The Bay of Tonkin to start the Vietnam War. Immoral invasion of Iraq, eventual invasion of Iran. I could continue you know. The list is very long. Have you noticed that I was careful to pick only the ones that I am most sure you would agree are characteristics of a fascist dictatorship? After all, if you are American you are still heavily biased to believe that many of your countries actions throughout history were done in the name of freedom, and that many actions against your country were done by foreign dictators or terrorists.
Have you ever wondered why America calls Chaves of Venezuela a dictator? Did you know that he was elected, and won overwhelmingly. He promotes policies that improve the quality of life of all of Venezuela’s citizens. But Americans continue to call him a dictator. Indeed, America tried to have him removed from power. They actually had him temporarily arrested (another covert American operation in the name of freedom). But the citizens of Venezuela showed such strong support for him that the effort failed. In contrast Bush was not elected. He stole the election by cheating and by intimidation. Bush promotes policies that increase the wealth of only a few Americans while ignoring the quality of life of almost all of America’s citizens. Yet Americans call Bush a democratically elected president. Nothing could be further from the truth. American ignorance is so obvious, but it mysteriously continues to flourish.
I applaud efforts of many at this site to promote the Democratic candidate, but because you live in an undemocratic country, a change of power in the White House from republican to democrat is not really a change of power. The same dictatorship under the disguise of democracy is in place. Changing the face of the dictator does not change the dictatorship. The one billion dollar embassy in Iraq continues to be staffed by Americans until another event like the Iran hostage crises takes place. America will continue to cater to big business at the expense of most of its citizens. America will continue to allow insurance companies to maximize profits by denying adequate health care to its citizens. America will continue to invade countries. America will continue to push the patience of the rest of the world beyond the breaking point.
The bottom line is America is a fascist state run by large corporations. Corporations retain that power by purchasing the government. A smaller government in terms of parties is easier to purchase than a more democratic government consisting of many parties, as they have in Canada. That’s what needs to be changed. Getting more people to vote democratic will not reduce the power of corporations because those corporations have already purchased the democratic candidate.
In America, voters traditionally choose between two bought-and-paid-for political machines. That is not really much choice is it? It is this two-party voting tradition that is the real cause of America’s problems. For reasons I do not understand, almost all Americans refuse to consider an independent candidate for President, despite the fact that they are perfectly free to do so. I believe this attitude is cultural and is indoctrinated into all of us from an early age by the overwhelming influence of large corporations who shape out attitudes and beliefs for their own profit and power.
If you really want to influence America’s future, it is the two party attitude of most Americans that you need to change. Vote for Nader. Vote for McKinney. Vote for a write in, like Kucinich. But don’t, absolutely do not, vote for a Democrat or Republican.
Your analogy isn't correct.
If the US were like Canada, it wouldn't have a presidency or executive branch at all. The presidents cabinet "departments", and therefore the day-to-day workings of government, would be controlled by congress, not the President.
The closest thing in the US to the PM in a parliamentary system would be the Speaker of the House. So, Nancy Pelosi would be our PM. The PM does get directly elected, but only by the constituents in their home districts.
But I agree, the parliamentary system is far, far more democratic. Elections can be called at any time by a vote of no confidence, and must be be completed in a couple months - so ther is NONE of this massive corporate-financed campaign nonsense.
And best of all, the parlaiment sessions themensves tend to be far more free-wheeling and vigirous, and passionate in the debates that ensue. There is far more diversity of opinions expressed - and they are expressed loudly! If you think the discussions here on Commondreams cause you to feel "morally raped" as someone wrote, don't even think of going to Ottawa, Canberra, or even London - you sensitive new-age egos may be both raped and assaulted.
Meanwhile, back in the DC, the ridiculous gavel-banging decorum and formality in the US Congress chamber and it's comittee hearing rooms seem almost designed to stifle dissenting views, or vigorous debate of any sort.
Yes, we have a flawed system here. It's winner take all here, so a vote for a third party will only result in more Fascist Republican rule. There's nothing you third-party believers can say that will ever convince me that Al Gore would've gone to war in Iraq. That alone resulted in a million dead innocent Iraqis. So, I'm going to vote for Obama, because he probably wont start a war with Iran, and my vote may very well save the lives of a million innocent Iranians...
That argument is about as rational as it gets. I'll take your advice and vote third party progressive.
thank you! unfortunatly, while our constitution is being methodically shredded, and our military bludgeons the world for corporate profit, sheep-like americans are too busy staring at teevee and cell phones. a worthless lot, mostly, poised to elect another corporate jack ass who will further the problems. the whirlpool is gathering. look at wall st.
" Vote for Nader. Vote for McKinney. Vote for a write in, like Kucinich. But don’t, absolutely do not, vote for a Democrat or Republican."
OREZ_ENO gives us a nicely written piece that concludes you should vote for third party candidates who will take votes away from Obama.
He didn't mention the Constitution Party: "Join the Constitution Party in its work to restore our government to its Constitutional limits and our law to its Biblical foundations." or writing in the name of popular republicans. But then, that might take away votes from McCain.
OREZ_ENO: Against the system or just against Obama?
Hint: If you do as he suggests, will it hurt the system?
I agree that my post has a few contradictions. For example, I suggested voting for Kucinich, who is a democrat, even though I also said do not vote for a democrat. But it was a simple error. The truth is, based on his actions, particularly his efforts to have Bush and Cheney impeached, Kucinich is not your typical democrat. He has not been bought, at least not yet. Besides, since Kucinich is not officially on the ballot, voting for him makes one vote less for either Obama or McCain, which I think is good.
I don’t believe in the argument that a vote for an independent, or “third party”, or “fourth party” helps one of the main party candidates win. Everyone said that about Nader, suggesting that people who voted for Nader helped Bush win. But I don’t agree. From what I can tell, Bush won because he cheated.
And yes, by all means vote for the “Constitution Party Candidate” if you feel compelled in your heart to do so. But unless you actually like the direction America has taken down the road towards fascist empire, with all of its risks of eventually creating the next world war, then don’t vote for either Obama or McCain.
I became convince that OBama was bought and paid for when he made his speech to AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) promising that in an OBama administration the security of Israel would be his highest priority.
Personally I think the security of America against the consequences of its own actions and policies towards the rest of the world, particularly in the Middle East, is a much higher priority.
"I don’t believe in the argument that a vote for an independent, or “third party”, or “fourth party” helps one of the main party candidates win."
Well, you may have a point. If the election is stolen again the votes won't make a difference, but the most persistent argument I've heard about stopping election theft is to have a winning number so large they can't cheat their way out of the results.
Taking votes away from the better of the two candidates will do nothing to change the system, it will just hurt the better candidate. There are many things about Obama that I don't like, but they are minor compared to McCain/Palin. I don't want a Supreme Court that will take away abortion rights and remove the line separating church and state. I am sure that Obama is less likely to go into new wars than McCain.
A McCain Presidency will be a continuation of the Bush nightmare. A vote for anyone other than Obama is a vote for more war, more torture, more renditions, more privatization, more economic inequality/tax breaks for the rich, more church involvemnet in government, more destruction of civil liberties, more more of the same.
Is that what you want?
You wrote:
Well, you may have a point. If the election is stolen again the votes won't make a difference, but the most persistent argument I've heard about stopping election theft is to have a winning number so large they can't cheat their way out of the results.
So you are willing to change the electoral system such that the Democrats need more than 50%, perhaps 60%, in order to win the election as a consequence of the fact that the Republicans cheat, rather than change the system such that the Republicans can no longer cheat. Perhaps if the Republicans see that 60% may vote democrat they will simple cheat a little harder?
You wrote:
Taking votes away from the better of the two candidates will do nothing to change the system, it will just hurt the better candidate.
Personally I feel that voting for what seems on the surface to be the better candidate regardless of the fact that both candidates are really pretty bad does tremendous harm to the country. It is only a weak argument for convincing people to vote within the two-party system. The direction that the country will follow in an Obama presidency will be no different, although I do admit that for a short while that fact may be better concealed. The country will still head full steam ahead towards world economic domination and in the process cause the next world war, which I believe everyone in the world will lose.
You wrote:
A vote for anyone other than Obama is a vote for more war, more torture, more renditions,…
I disagree. A vote for either Obama or McCain is a vote for more war, more torture, more renditions, … And of course, like you, I do not want that. To help change the direction that the country is headed I will vote for someone else.
Suppose, just for argument’s sake, that Nader had won 30% of the vote in 2004. Don’t you think that it would have sent a strong signal that the population wants fundamental change? It doesn’t always take a war or social crises to change the direction that a country is headed. Change can often be initiated by sending a strong signal through the voting system.
Of course I admit that those in power may not heed the warning. Historically all dictatorships cling to power no matter what until they are forced to step down. In 2006 the voters sent a clear message that they did no want the war. But the democratic speaker continued to support funding of the war. She also suppressed all effort to impeach Bush and Cheney. These actions are a clear violation of the will of the people. Isn’t this enough proof that the democrats are really no different than the Republicans? When Obama becomes President he also will violate the people’s will. He will continue the war in Iraq. He will provoke Russia’s patience by continuing to install missile bases close to its borders. He may even find a way to invade Iran. The only thing that will change is the excuses for why such things need to be done. Besides, it’s really the military industrial complex that wants these things to happen. The president is just a middleman forced to follow orders, or in the absence of orders to continue reading “My Pet Goat”.
I suggest that your fear of voting outside the two-party system is caused by your cultural upbringing that if you do so terrible things will happen to the country. Unfortunately, history has shown that it is voting within the system that causes terrible things to happen. Still, I realize that most Americans feel the way you do and that is why I do expect that either Obama or McCain will be our next President, and as a consequence the direction that the country is headed will not change in any significant way. Heaven help us.
"So you are willing to change the electoral system such that the Democrats need more than 50%, perhaps 60%, in order to win the election as a consequence of the fact that the Republicans cheat, rather than change the system such that the Republicans can no longer cheat. Perhaps if the Republicans see that 60% may vote democrat they will simple cheat a little harder?"
No, I'd love to see the system changed so no one can cheat. I just don't think it will happen before November 2nd.
"I disagree. A vote for either Obama or McCain is a vote for more war, more torture, more renditions, … And of course, like you, I do not want that. To help change the direction that the country is headed I will vote for someone else."
I don't think you can make a rational case that Obama is as likely to do these things as "Bomb, bomb, bomb, Bomb, bomb Iran' McCain. If people do what you propose McCain has a better chance of winning.
"Suppose, just for argument’s sake, that Nader had won 30% of the vote in 2004. Don’t you think that it would have sent a strong signal that the population wants fundamental change? It doesn’t always take a war or social crises to change the direction that a country is headed. Change can often be initiated by sending a strong signal through the voting system."
The number of people voting for a third party or write-in candidate will not be enough to send the message you want. It may be enough to guarantee a McCain victory.
"In 2006 the voters sent a clear message that they did no want the war. But the democratic speaker continued to support funding of the war. She also suppressed all effort to impeach Bush and Cheney. These actions are a clear violation of the will of the people. Isn’t this enough proof that the democrats are really no different than the Republicans?"
Pelosi screwed up royally. No question about that. But does that mean the Dems are the same as the Republicans? No. It means Pelosi screwed up.
If you really think there's no difference between the two parties, can you give me some links to your postings on right-wing websites urging them to vote third party because McCain is no different than Obama (or because McCain has betrayed conservative principles)?
No, you can't. All you do is try to urge Democrats & Progressives not to vote for Obama. The only places you post will help get McCain elected if people follow your advice.
Please, prove me wrong. Post some links where you told republicans the same thing.
"I suggest that your fear of voting outside the two-party system is caused by your cultural upbringing that if you do so terrible things will happen to the country. Unfortunately, history has shown that it is voting within the system that causes terrible things to happen."
I've voted for Nader. I respect Nader. I've attended rallies for Nader. If Nader had a snowball's chance in hell of winning I'd vote Nader again. But I don't want more domestic spying, I don't want more torture or more wars. I don't want the rich to get an even bigger slice of the pie. That's why I'm voting for Obama
If McCain gets in the White House there is no question that even more terrible things will happen. Following your advice will help McCain.
You'll have to live with the consequences.
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don't think you can make a rational case that Obama is as likely to do these things as "Bomb, bomb, bomb, Bomb, bomb Iran' McCain. If people do what you propose McCain has a better chance of winning.
President LB Johnson was a democrat. It is now known from declassified documents that Johnson lied about the Bay of Tonkin, an incident that was used to convince Congress to authorize the invasion of Vietnam, an invasion that should never have happened. That sounds like a “Bomb, bomb, bomb” government to me. 50,000 American lives were lost based on a lie. I see little difference between Johnson’s Democrat lie about the Bay of Tonkin and Bush’s Republican lie about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Hilary Clinton is a democrat. During her campaign she openly proposed that we should “annihilate” Iran. That sure sounds like a “Bomb, bomb, bomb” attitude to me. Even your good man Obama has declared that the security of Israel would be his highest priority. What exactly does that mean? It seems to me that the American government, regardless of which political party in power or who is President, is an out of control fascist empire that bullies its way around the world committing crimes against humanity under the disguise of promoting freedom and human rites. It even commits crimes against itself, as we saw in the assassination of President Kennedy, and again in the 9/11 disaster.
And yes, I fear that McCain has a very good chance of winning because he openly represents what most Americans want, which is “Bomb, bomb, bomb”. But if Obama wins, they will still get what they want. It seems to me that both parties are so indebted to the large coorporations that put them in power that they are both forced to follow orders and "Bomb, bomb, bomb" The only President who dared to defy such orders was Kennedy, and he was quickly elliminated.
Either Obama or McCain is going to win this election.
I see you writing a lot against Obama. I don't see you writing much against McCain.
As I wrote previously, if you think they are the same where are your anti-McCain postings?
The purpose of your pieces is to change the votes of people who are likely to vote for Obama.
Why don't you head over to one of the right wing sites and tell them that McCain is just like Obama and they should vote third party.
Oh yeah, that might hurt McCain.
Back to Math 101 for you. A vote for Smith does not take away a vote for Jones. You have bought the Democrat math program, hook line and sinker. Make a case for YOUR candidate and leave it at that. Or, if you prefer, tell us why someone is not worthy to be president.
Apparently, Obama needs to change HIS tune in order to convince a lot of readers here. We are waiting for THAT change from the changemeister. In the meantime, we have other options, thank goodness.
Actually, if I convince someone who was going to vote for Jones to vote for Smith, Jones has one less vote and Smith has one more.
Pretending it doesn't make a difference doesn't change that, just like pretending not to be a McCain supporter doesn't change who you support.
I apologize for not giving my true feelings about McCain. I actually agree with you that he is the most dangerous of the two candidates. I haven’t mentioned that because my whole point is that I don’t use that as a rationalization to vote for Obama. To satisfy your desire to know, I hate McCain with such passion that I cannot stand viewing him on TV. I always either change channels or leave the room. I was in the military during the Vietnam war and I shudder to my inner core when McCain is referred to as a hero. Exactly where is the heroism in dropping bombs on innocent people? Well, I think you see my sentiments there. But again, the reason I did not mention it before is because my feelings for McCain are a bit off topic.
I see that you are worried about McCain people trying to give McCain an advantage by convincing would-be Obama voters to go independent. Although some Republican bloggers may be doing that, I do not think it will make any difference. Perhaps they still believe the accusations about Nader, saying that he contributed to getting Bush elected. But personally I believe that phenomenon is misunderstood. I believe that because the general population is generally dissatisfied, and because the general population is almost equally split between the two main parties, there will be equal numbers of people shifting away from both main parties. I believe that as more and more people vote independent it should take an equal number of votes away from both McCain and Obama.
The reason I do not post that opinion on right wing blogs is because I never go to them. Perhaps I should.
You really express yourself well. If you aren't a professional writer you should be.
I am worried about McCain supporters taking votes away from Obama by pretending to be disillusioned progressives. I shudder to think what the country will be like after 4 more years of Bush style governance.
I hope you are right about the shift away from the parties being equal, but on McCain's website I see an admonition to spread the word on other websites (including liberal ones). I don't see that on the Obama website.
Baldwin of the Constitution Party was the leader of the "moral (sic) majority" and is very unbalanced. I particularly dislike the Libertarians, who scare the bejesus out of me. They are RIGHT WING nutty people who would if they could kill many americans.
"Take votes away from Obama" - one of the many things I despise about Barack Obama is how his positions shift so rapidly one can never be sure what is actual positions are. I've actually come to completely distrust him. I do hope that everybody votes for alternative parties and candidacies to help build a progressive majority in america.
I liked this post very much.
Of course, from this milquetoast liberal Democratic Party fanzine and John Nichols you would never hear of this:
Take the Pledge: From Ralph Nader’s Constitution Pledge website
Source: http://www.constitutionpledge.com/
•Prohibit the use of "secret evidence" to classify and list individuals and organizations within the United States as global terrorists or global terrorist organizations; and
•Prohibit the use of secret evidence or evidence obtained by torture or coercion in military or civilian tribunals;
•Prohibit the detention of American citizens as "unlawful enemy combatants," without proof of criminal activity, based solely on the President's say-so;
•Restore habeas corpus for alleged alien enemy combatants, i.e., non-citizens who have allegedly participated in active hostilities against the United States, in order to protect the innocent;
•Prohibit the National Security Agency from intercepting phone conversations or emails, or breaking and entering homes on the President's say-so, in violation of federal law;
•Empower the House of Representatives and the Senate collectively, to challenge in the Supreme Court the constitutionality of signing statements which indicate the President intends to disregard duly enacted provisions of bills signed into law, because he alone maintains they are "unconstitutional;"
•Prohibit the executive from invoking the state secrets privilege to deny justice to victims of constitutional violations perpetrated by government officers or agents; and,
•Establish legislative-executive committees in the House and Senate to adjudicate the withholding of information from Congress, based on executive privilege, which obstructs oversight and open government; and
•Prohibit the President from kidnapping, detaining, and torturing persons abroad, in collaboration with foreign governments;
•Amend the Espionage Act to permit journalists to report on classified national security matters without fear of prosecution.
-Amended from the American Freedom Agenda
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One way to restore the constitution is to cast votes for the parties and individuals that respect it. Even if you personally like your congressperson, ask yourself have they respected the constitution? Has their party? If the answer is "NO", then it is time to vote differently. If we don't hold them accountable, they certainly won't hold themselves accountable.
The United States is a prime example of the broken windows theory of policing: allow busted windows, grafitti, accumulation of uncollected trash, etc. to go unchecked and the area where you live will gradually become worse and worse and worse. This is what's happening to this country vis a vis our constitution. At this rate the constitution will eventually and simply wither away and, for all intents and purposes, cease to exist, even though the document itself will not actually have been taken out and burned. The Repimplicans are counting on this because they loathe and despise civil liberties and human freedom. In this crime they are aided invaluably by their trainees, the Democrats, and the bone grinding apathy and stupidity of much of the citizenry.
The Real Contract with America
(This was originally written when the misnamed PATRIOT ACT was adopted. No one was listening at the time. It was revised after the Dem's "victory" and inaction since 2006)
The American People signed a contract. An agreement between the Governed and the Government. It is called the Constitution of the United States. The first ten amendments to that Constitution is known as the Bill of Rights. As Justice Hugo Black stated, "It is my belief that there are absolutes in our Bill of Rights, and that they were put there on purpose by men who knew what words meant and meant their prohibitions to be 'absolutes.'"
Think about it:
* Without the First Amendment, newspapers could only print the "party line" or be suppressed. Books and plays would be censored or banned. We might have to attend the State Authorized Religion, or be forbidden to attend any other form of worship, or any worship at all. We could even have a church telling us how to live, backed up with government force! We would have no right of public assembly or protest, nor could we petition the government for a redress of grievances.
* Without the Second Amendment, we would be a completely disarmed populace, at the mercy of government troops or security forces.
* Without the Third Amendment, the government could quarter troops in your home without your consent.
* Without the Fourth Amendment, the government's security force or military could search your home at will, without a warrant, confiscate your papers and property, monitor your communications and phone conversations without your ever knowing about it.
* Without the Fifth Amendment, you could be picked up, your property confiscated, you could be held incommunicado for an indefinite time without legal counsel and could be forced to testify against yourself.
* Without the Sixth Amendment, your could be held for an indefinite period, without charge, and without being told why you're being held. Your trial, if any, could be held in secret without your being able to confront your accusers or examining any evidence, nor would you have the right to legal counsel.
* Without the Seventh Amendment, in civil suits, you would not have the right of trial by jury.
* Without the Eighth Amendment, there would be no limit on the amount of bail set or fines imposed, and any cruel punishment could be meted out, even death by torture.
* Without the Ninth Amendment, any rights not spelled out would be forfeit to the government.
* Without the Tenth Amendment, the People of the United States would have no powers reserved to themselves, it would all lie with the State.
Isn't it tragic that the Congress gave to the Executive, through misguided PATRIOTism, an ACT that would unconstitutionally repeal those rights guaranteed by the Constitution and turn it all over to Homeland Security?
Read your Constitution and Bill of Rights, then read the text of the Patriot Act and the amended Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the amended FISA Act, the legislation allowing torture, banning habeas corpus, and the many Executive Orders giving the Executive ever more dictatorial powers over We the People, then think about it. We the People of the United States have been virtually stripped of those freedoms that the founders of our nation fought so hard to secure from an earlier King George.
Everybody heaved a great sigh of relief when the "Democrats" were back in power, but things quickly returned to business as usual. The rich get richer, the poor and middle class get poorer and the government gets still more power to do as it wills.
We have got to impeach and remove the cancer that has infected our nation before it becomes inoperable. We are facing widened wars of desperation as Bush and his gang looks desperately for a way of regaining control. They are not beyond a "Black Op" against the United States (remember the Maine, Tonkin Gulf, the WMD lies and the jury is still out on 9/11) followed by a declaration of martial law. The groundwork has been carefully laid and is available to review on many sites.
We must hold Congress to the Contract that We the People made with them over two centuries ago, restore the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, intact and functioning to the halls of government, and return to using them for the rule and guide of our actions.
There's a route I like to drive that seems to inspire my thought process, and I took it last night. Nature-assisted contemplation took me to the idea that WORDS themselves have been treated like collateral, and now their meanings have been almost fully co-opted. We speak about the concept of Truth, but words are to truth what calories are to a sustainable body. I noticed this with the word FEMINIST being applied to the anything-but Palin, and also with the word FREE as in FREE trade, and of course FREEDOM. The very currency of our existence, and our capacities to communicate are being abducted by those who have done to language what bio-genetic engineering has done to food: replaced the GENUINE element with its counterfeit. So much has been inverted, we hardly can begin to put a price on what's been stolen or given a virtual death notice. The condition of Nature and Her kingdoms are one example, think drowning polar bears and vanishing whales; but so, too are the subtle components of our lives as social beings.
The Constitution, composed of carefully contemplated words (language), is now on this same "Endangered Species list." Like Martin Luther King I believe history eventually arcs towards justice, but the next 7-12 years are going to be a struggle to wrest away from the forces of darkness, the return to Light.
>>When words lose their meaning, people will lose their liberty
Confucious
Siouxrose, I agree with your comments on the perversion of language. It is profound and many people call it Orwellian, but once you tune your ears in to hear how language is being subverted, you will see it widely used. But the casualty is our ability to have a convesation about what matters.
It is a big problem.
"If we are frank, we will acknowledge the ugly reality that the men who would be president keep the discussion vague because they want to maintain a flexibility to disregard the Constitution at will, as President Bush and his predecessors have so frequently done."
...and if we are earnest, we will acknowledge the ugly reality that the men who would hold any civil office other than president want to keep the discussion about their crimes totally hidden because they want to maintain a flexibility to disregard the rule of law at will but blame it all on president Bush and his predecessors, as they have so frequently done.
"...but blame it all on president Bush..."
I find it hard to blame a monkeypuppet... other than the obvious fact that the degree of willingness to be used that way is total and unequivocal. The real fault lies with the CheneyOilCo types who use the monkeypuppet to satisfy their all-encompassing greed.
Never before has it been so blatant, overarching and systemically destructive to our democratic framework.
.....but if you are a member of congress and you pledge to protect and defend the constitution of the united states...(I'm assuming that members of congress make the same pledge) please correct me swiftly and mercilessly if I am wrong O wisest of bloggers. Or you pledge to your congressional duties, one of which is to hold a trial for impeachment when the president or any civil officer is suspected to have committed "treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors."
So the question is, should members of congress be impeached for failing to uphold their duty to try for impeachment, and should McCain and Barak be asked what it means when they pledge to protect and defend the constitution, in regards to not only presidential defection, but also congressional defection from the rule of law?
I find this all gets very convoluted and messy at this point, kind of like what is happening in the financial markets because of rampant corruption.
How will we ever stave all this bleeding off of democracy?
Dear Mr. Nichols,
This may come as a surprise to you, and taking into consideration your very well written article listed above, you have not taken into consideration many aspects of reality which are available to you even through the Document you mention above; the United States Constitution.
The aforementioned document has never been, with few exceptions, anything but a "document of convenience" to those in power. At the same time it remains to be a reference point of authority by those who are not "in power".
As long as the document you refer to is in only "partial compliance", i.e. portions of it are observed and others are ignored*, it is merely a focal point for discussion and debate. If all of the Constitution with appropriate amendments is not observed, when referring to selected passages that are not being upheld is hypocrisy at the highest level. When Americans refer to their "Constitution" as a sacred "document", using various reference points for authority, while ignoring the other sections that are not observed, they reveal themselves as fools, or charlatans or both.
I will call your attention to the very real and undeniable fact of my assertion by referring to Article in particular where "All Treaties are Supreme Law" ----is and has not been complied with by the US Government, and that Title 25 USC is not only an illegal body of legislation but a direct violation of the U.S. Constitution.
Your words, regardless of how well applied, are hollow, and you "speak with a forked tongue", rendering your words to be the same as "smoke in the wind".
While you and the rest of America enjoy citizenship in the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, and deny the fact that most of that wealth was acquired as direct result of violating the treaties with the previous rightful owners, you lie only to yourselves. The world watches the USA now more than ever before in it's history. And they do not respect you; they fear you.
Human beings all throughout history have had few common traits, but one that is so common as to be like a bright star in a dark sky is this, one immutable fact; human beings always destroy that which they fear .
When you speak of the current generation's violations while ignoring the previous generation's violations you open the door for future generations to violate as your story reveals here. Someday they may very well be coming to your front door or that of your children's children's.
Adolph Hitler used the US Reservation system as an example of his concentration camps effectiveness, an example the USA should be very proud of.
Good Luck.
NativeSon
Thank you. Beautifully worded. Succinctly outlined. Undeniable. Shameful
In particular, the groups want Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama to explain what they think it means when they swear an oath "to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States".
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Oh, please!
It means "to warble like a nightingale with ostentatious piety bordering on idolatry for Constitutional Principles, then doing whatever the hell I want to do to further my ambition and interests".
Or, to use phrases lifted in an affectionate homage to my hero, Mark Twain: "to unremittingly uphold Constitutional principles without fear or favor... then flinging them down and dancing upon them whenever crowded by circumstances".
Since neither man will say such a thing, rest assured that whatever pronouncements they DO make will merely be another exercise in limbering their forked tongues.
"It means 'to warble like a nightingale with ostentatious piety bordering on idolatry for Constitutional Principles, then doing whatever the hell I want to do to further my ambition and interests'."
Actually, you can really attribute such an attitude to the incumbent, Reagan, and Nixon.
You have no basis upon which to tie this cynicism to Obama.
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1.) FISA.
2.) Manifest unwillingness to implement Constitutional safeguards against criminal incumbent.
3.) Resounding lack of denunciation for the Imperial Stormtrooper police actions compromising, obstructing, and overtly attacking Constitutional civil liberties at both conventions, particularly in the Twin Cities.
Perhaps I could have clarified my view by adding "or NOT-doing whatever the hell I don't WANT to do to further my ambition and interests".