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Has a War with Iran Already Begun?
Two incidents that occurred on Sunday--Iran's claim of a shoot-down of a U.S. drone, and an explosion outside the British embassy in Bahrain--may have been unrelated. But they appear to add to growing evidence that an escalating covert war by the West is under way against Iran, and that Tehran is retaliating with greater intensity than ever.
Photos of an Iranian military base near Bid Kaneh in before (top) and after (bottom) a large explosion reportedly occurred, apparent damage from which can be seen. (Institute for Science and International Security) Asked whether the United States, in cooperation with Israel, was now engaged in a covert war against Iran's nuclear program that may include the Stuxnet virus, the blowing-up of facilities and the assassination or kidnapping of scientists, one recently retired U.S. official privy to up-to-date intelligence would not deny it.
"It's safe to say the Israelis are very active," the official said, adding about U.S. efforts: "Everything that [GOP presidential candidate] Mitt Romney said we should be doing--tough sanctions, covert action and pressuring the international community -- are all of the things we are actually doing." Though the activities are classified, a senior Obama administration official also would not deny that such a program was under way. He indicated that the U.S. was not involved in every action, referring to recent alleged explosions at Isfahan and elsewhere. But, he added: "I wouldn't assume that everything we do is coordinated."
Former undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns, who oversaw America's Iran engagement during the Bush administration, asked Sunday about reports that the U.S. program began under George W. Bush, said he could not comment on intelligence matters.
In September, the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani, accused Great Britain, Israel and the U.S. of conducting attacks on him and other Iranian scientists."Six years ago the intelligence service of the UK began collecting information and data regarding my past, my family, the number of children," Abbasi-Davani told a news conference at the annual conference of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna. Abbasi-Davani, who was said to have been wounded in 2010 car bomb explosion, said the attacks were carried out by Israel with the "support of the intelligence services of the United States and England."
Last week, Iranian protesters stormed the British embassy in Tehran. Dominick Chilcott, Britain's ambassador to Iran, later said the attack occurred "with the acquiescence and the support of the state." Then, on Sunday, Bahrain's interior ministry announced that an explosion occurred inside a minibus parked near the British Embassy. There were no immediate reports of serious damage or injuries.
U.S. officials alleged in October that agents acting for Iran's Revolutionary Guard, which has increasingly exerted control over the Tehran regime, were involved in a plot to kill that Saudi ambassador to Washington in a restaurant. Iran denied the allegations. Then, on Sunday, in what have been another escalation, Iran's news agency reported that Iranian armed forces shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane that illegally crossed the country's eastern border.
Responding to the Iranian report, NATO command in Afghanistan released a terse statement Sunday: "The UAV to which the Iranians are referring may be a US unarmed reconnaissance aircraft that had been flying a mission over western Afghanistan late last week. The operators of the UAV lost control of the aircraft and had been working to determine its status."
The White House declined to comment but officials did not seem unduly alarmed, suggesting that the drone's capture would not provide Iran with significant information about U.S. surveillance technology and techniques.
Trita Parsi, president of the National Iranian American Council in Washington, said the tit-for-tat incidents "add up to a very worrisome picture," in part because "the Iranians are absorbing all of these assassinations without seeing the pace of their nuclear program slow down to the extent it would be acceptable to the West." But if Iranian retaliations grow serious enough, he said, they could provide "the pretext for a much larger war" in which the Israelis, and possibly the Americans, launch a full attack on Iran.
Mark Hibbs, a nuclear expert at the Carnegie Endowment in Germany, says the intensity of the covert war indicates that this is where the U.S. and Israel are putting their energy for now. "If the U.S. or Israel were determined to take Iran's nuclear installations out they wouldn't be wasting time pinpointing individual scientists like this," he says. Still, he points out, that Israel's 1981 attack on Iraq's Osirak reactor was also preceded by assassination attempts on Iraqi scientists.
By accident or not, it's entirely possible the covert war could escalate into a real one, experts say. "I am less enthusiastic about how effective all this going to be than some people in the administration," says Matthew Bunn, a nuclear investigator at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government. Bunn says he has occasionally discussed the program with the Obama administration officials, and "some have broadly suggested they think this is major element of slowing down Iranian progress."
He's not so sure. "Take Stuxnet. It's possible that a thousand centrifuges went down" because of sabotage by the mystery computer virus _ a super sophisticated program said to have caused substantial parts of Iran's uranium enrichment program to self-destruct several years ago. "But Iran has a thousand more than they would require to enrich to highly enriched uranium" needed for a bomb. Bunn also notes that Iran is increasingly keeping its key scientists such as Mohsen Fakrizadeh, said to be the "Oppenheimer" of the Iranian program, hidden away from sight and burying its facilities deeper underground.
Beyond that, says Hibbs, "Some of the concern in the expert community is that in going this route we're unleashing forces we cannot control."
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Show AllCaChing go the military industrial complex's (MIC) cash registers.
Eternal occupations and wars equal an eternal revenue stream for the MIC !
You can't have wars without people willing to fight them. If only everybody said, "NO!"
On the contrary. War is becoming fully automated.
I don't know what "fully automated" means.
Are you referring to a device that requires no human manipulation and operates on its own accord, such as a robot who has broken all 3 robotic laws?
I wasn't aware such devices existed, except in science-fiction.
If you were referring to drones and/or other remote-control devices, you still need people willing to agree to do it.
I suppose an agency like the CIA could invite some middle-schoolers in to play a computer 'game' where they are given targets to eliminate.
The kids would have no idea that they were pulling a real trigger and murdering innocent people....but even still, you would need people willing to go along with it all.
War isn't some spontaneous thing that mysteriously occurs for no known reason. People are either coerced into it or they choose it of their own free will for some reason.
No automation is designed to have zero human involvement. "Fully automated" would mean the same thing in war that it means otherwise: requiring a minimum amount of human involvement. When warfare required marching armies, there was some point to the "Universal Soldier" theme you articulate: if only every soldier would lay down his arms. But there will always be enough homicidal psychopaths to direct drone attacks from a cubicle in Virginia.
NO! If we provoke another war reintroduce the draft and insist the the war mongers in congress send their children and grandchildren to serve.
If there's going to be a war, you can bet there won't be an occupation. While an air war and bombing would devastate Iran, and while a ground war would be a forgone conclusion (Iran has no modern tanks at all... ), an occupation would be suicide for anyone that tried it.
Look for an air war and possibly landings along the Straits of Hormuz for temporary occupation.
The first US/UK/Israeli bomb that drops on Iran will be the spark that welds the oil tanker heavy route through the Straights of Hormuz closed permanently.
If the 'Powers Whut Iz' are actually stupid enough to initiate open war with Iran, watch oil prices rocket past $250. And stay there. OiI that costly will cripple the modern economy world wide,and our Corporate Consumer lifestyle will come crashing to a halt faster than a NASCAR pileup.
Absolutely. Never forget, it may not unfold the way the planners envisaged. The opponent gets a say too.
"the spark that welds the oil tanker heavy route through the Straights of Hormuz closed permanently. "
You mention that a lot and it just doesn't hold water. First only 17% of oil shipments go through the Straits and most of that can be re-routed. It would be bad, but not fatal. As far as it being welded shut? With what? Iran does NOT posses enough missiles to keep it closed for long and no way to defend against air strikes or even limited landings to destroy bases and launchers. Iran's military is simply not capable of closing the Straits for long durations in the face of Western forces. They have fewer than 200 operational modern fighters and 3/4 of those are captures or were there before the Shah fell. That is less than two aircraft carriers and totally disregards all the US aircraft in Afghanistan and Iraq, on their western and eastern borders and US aircraft in Saudi Arabia and the gulf.
An air war would be a nightmare for Iran because they would have to protect their western, southern, and eastern borders simultaneously. Not an easy trick with so few aircraft.
Iranians are smart, well educated and brave by all accounts, but that won't provide enough defense against a serious western attack.
You better read up on the US Navy wargame 'Millennium Challenge 2002'.
The 'Red' team was un-named, but generally understood to be Iran.
In two days of simulated conflict, the US lost SIXTEEN capital ships (including an aircraft carrier) and 20 000 lives. In response, the US Navy re-floated the sunken ships, resurrected the fallen US servicemen, and forced the 'Red' commander to telegraph all of his intensions so the 'Blue' team (the US Navy) would be assured of victory. The 'Red' commander later quit the Navy in protest saying that the $250 million dollars to hold the exercise had been wasted, and nothing had been leaned.
If the US is hoping that an air only war will win in Iran, then you had better get used to paying $15-20 dollars/gallon at the pump.
You say: "Iran does NOT posses enough missiles to keep it closed for long..."
Gee, how does 20 000 sound? That's the number of SS-N-22 'Sunburn' anti-ship missiles that NATO acknowledges are most likely in the Iranian arsenal. This weapon has a top speed of Mach 3, and is considered one of the most lethal anti-ship missiles in the world. The high speed of the missile means a typical response time for the target of only 25 to 30 seconds, giving a target little time to react. This missile can be armed with a warhead of 320 kg. In the narrow and shallow Straights of Hormuz, the flight time is less than FIVE seconds. And the Iranians will be shooting at everything from trawlers to tankers, bulk carriers, container carriers, passenger liners and even US Navy aircraft carriers.
The maritime insurance companies have admitted having nightmares over such a scenario, because it would RUIN THEIR INDUSTRY.
Add to that statements from OPEC that no matter how much money the US waved under their noses, no oil would be sold to the US, for the simple fact if they did, the Middle Eastern OPEC nations would be facing massive open revolt of their populations.
It took the combined forces of FUK-US NATO w a coordinated air, missile, & naval attack in conjunction w NTC Rebels, 8 months to subdue Libya w a population of 6.5 - 7 million concentrated mainly on the Mediterranean coast. Iran's population is 70 million & it's military is much bigger, including a substantial medium range missile strike force [IE: range 1500+ miles] & a sizable anti-ship cruise missile force. So if you think an attack on Iran is going to be a cake walk, think again. Plus, unless the US, UK, NATO, IDF do the 'Duke Nukem' [God Forbid]- they'd be forced to send in ground troops to insure that Iran's nuke prog would be totally dismantled- because a conventional air attack can't insure that - but it would give Iran a justifiable reason to go all out for a nuke arsenal!
AND To reroute 17% of the World's total oil shipments means that the price of oil will suddenly jump sky-hi! That might be great for Oil Corps & Wall St Bankster types, but would be a big drain on the World's Economy - maybe leading to a World-wide depression- let alone possibly WW!!!
Dumb question perhaps, but is 'FUK US-NATO' perhaps lacking a 'C' and '-ING'?
FUK-US NATO stands for France, UK, US & NATO.
Very good comment, GalenWainwright. Actually, it will be worse than you write because our plan is to bomb nuclear reactors and nuclear refineries. At Chernobyl and Fukushima, mere leaks from nuclear reactors made large regions of geography uninhabitable. At Chernobyl and Fukushima, most of the radioactive fuels are still contained in the reactors. We are planning to blow the whole load of radioactive fuels into the atmosphere. And the region we are planning to make uninhabitable is the Persian Gulf. The bombing of Iran will be the last overseas military action the US government ever undertakes, because afterwards, US society collapses into domestic chaos.
No not really. The air wars against both were wildly successful as it was in Libya. The issue is that in those cases there was a boots on the ground component that simply cannot be there in the case or Iran.
The case of Iran has static bases and locations that Iran has to defend with no air force and few surface to air missiles with any real capability. This is what air strikes were made for. Speaking from a strategic point of view. I am not saying it is a good idea, but it would be a one-sided show from the git-go.
The 'air war' didn't win in Libya.
That's pure US MIC propaganda kool-aid, and you know it.
There were plenty of confirmed reports of UK SAS, French Foreign Legion and US Special Forces on the ground in Libya, masquerading as 'freedom fighters'.
"Iran has static bases and locations that Iran has to defend with no air force and few surface to air missiles with any real capability. This is what air strikes were made for. Speaking from a strategic point of view. I am not saying it is a good idea, but it would be a one-sided show from the git-go."
Sure the American Imperial 'Air War(tm)' would be one sided.
But when US corporations around the world start being the target of dedicated and rightfully enraged suicide missions, and US airliners start being blown out of the sky over the Mediterranean Sea by the 10 000 odd shoulder-fired anti-aicraft missiles that went 'missing' in Libya in the closing days of the IMF/Goldman-Sachs ordered war, then you will see the US made to look like drooling morons. Especially as the world economy slams to a halt.
Oopsie.
Didn't think of the blowback, didja?
As if our political class didn't already appear to be "drooling morons".
You say that Iran doesn't have the means to effectively defend its air-space from a coordinated & combined Jet aircraft attack [I'm not speaking of missiles]. Maybe so & maybe no. But you disregard / dismiss / over-look Iran's capability to retaliate w its own missiles against US, NATO & Allies 'interests' & forces in the region. Just as FUK-US NATO had boots on the ground in Afghanistan, Iraq, & even in Libya [mainly covertly]- an air-assault on Iran would have to end w boots on the ground to ensure that Iran's nuke prog is eliminated- because a conventional [unless it goes nuclear] air-assault alone can NOT ensure that it would be- because too many of Iran's nuke facilities are dug in too deep. Once the US & Co. puts boots on the ground 'There will be Hell to Pay'!
Iran's recently Russian built reactor would be a prime target, but if it's bombed the radioactive cloud would drift & spread God Knows where & how far! Plus how would the Russians React - especially if Russian personnel is on site &/or if the radioactive fallout hits Russia- which shares a northern border w Iran??!! Make no mistake about it- Iran AIN'T Iraq nor Libya nor Afghanistan. Iran is much bigger both in population & land area than those 3 were & Iran's military is much more formidable - plus they've been fore-warned what the US / UK / Likudniks are up to!
PS: These war-mongers, including their main-stream media presstitutes, are LIARs - they lied about Iraq's non-existent WMD's & Bush lied that 'Iraq Combat Operations' ended in May 2003- when it's been on-going to this day- even after Saddam himself was captured in Dec 2003 [which they lied about how he was captured - but that's another story]! They lied about Afghanistan & they definitely lied on Khadaffi & Libya, & they are lying & exaggerating about Iran & even Syria now! They Lied & told the people Iraq would only cost $70 - 100billion & when someone said it would cost at-least a 1/4 $Trillion the Bush / Cheney / Rumsfeld / Neo-CON gang sacked him - but it turns out even he was off by a factor of at-least 8 - 16 Xs! These are war-mongering LIARs & They are still LYING!
>>.Will Covert Actions Against Iran Escalate to Outright War?<<
Yes, of course, if the neocon psychos like Barack Obama and Newt Gingrich and Benyamin Netanyahu and Ehud Barak get their way, not to mention the CEO's of hugely profitable war materiel suppliers have their way. I'm beginning to think that 12-21-2012 may really be the end.
Maybe for our psychotic controlled civilization and it's insane dominator monotheist religions.
But life, of some kind, will survive. Perhaps not human life, but life after a fashion.
I am tending to agree with the biologists who argue that human style sapience is NOT an evolutionary advantage.
"insane dominator monotheist religions" -- excellent.
Maybe not the Buddhists?
From what I have seen, ordinary Buddhists run the gamut, like those in any religion. But they too have a self-involved, self-congratulatory parasitic priestly class that finds it easy to engage in ritual (sometimes for profit) and endless self-reflection, while ignoring the practical needs of the sick and poor. I have heard them described as "spiritual libertarians".
"Maybe not the Buddhists? " Sure I know who you mean, those peace-loving Buddhists who run the government of Sri Lanka. Whoops, not them! Thailand? There's a shooting war over a temple going on between Thailand and its neighbor, Cambodia. Well what about those nice guys of the Khmer Rouge, anyway? Or wait, I know, of course, it's the non-violent generals of Burma.
GMAFB!
Yes, I neglected all of that. It was an innocent question. I stand enlightened. Not sure of the meaning of GMAFB. Was it an intended insult?
FYI: GMAFB = Give me a fucking break!
The central tenet of most religions is do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Deviation from the central tenet creates horror not the core of the religion.
Article makes lite of the Mossad set explosion of the Isfahan munitions depot which destroyed a majority of Iranian long range missiles ( alleged explosion). Also fails to mention documented CIA funded Baluchi terrorists blowing up Iranian soldiers and Mosques.
Most insane of all - the worship of wealth.
It's not religion that's crazy. It is adherents to violent right-wing fundamentalism who think God wants them to smite their enemies in His name. We live in a sick world and our current attitude toward Iran is an expression of both Israel's paranoia and fundamentalist Zionism and our own Christian Zionist extremism and slavish devotion to Israel's wishes. It's enough to drive a person nuts, especially when members of Congress repeat the allegation that Iran MIGHT or COULD be, sometime in the future, building a bomb as though it were proof that the bomb could be ready any moment now and would immediately be launched against Israel. Crazy and stupid and extremely dangerous!
It's not even fundamentalism - really it's Fanaticism & Extremism. Its just that so-called religious fanatics [of all kinds] often mistakenly call themselves & are called 'Fundamentalists'. But one can be a fanatic & be so-called religious & one can be a fanatic & be secular. One can even be a fanatic & be atheistic. IMO: It's Fanaticism misconstrued as so-called 'fundamentalism' that's the real issue. That's one of my fundamental beliefs.
Thank you.
Fanatic and extreme atheists kill people too.
It so happens that the majority of people from every major religion on Earth *are not* zealots, extremists or fundamentalists — or as some describe all of these, 'ethnic' or 'cultural nationalists'.
Fanatic cultural and ethnic nationalists exist in every stripe, and believe any old thing they have to, in order to prove their fidelity to their great cause. This is where we get the phenomenon of the 'more crazy the belief, the greater the piety', a behavior which socialists, anarchists and again even atheists also participate in.
I Have Seen the Dragon
I have seen the Dragon
Through clenched lids and arms pressed tight.
I have felt its hot breath on my back
And listened to the rumble of its voice.
I have looked upon its breath,
Glowing Amethyst, red and purple,
Climbing towards the stratosphere
To deposit its venom downwind.
I have waited in fear as my gums began to bleed
And my hair came out in clumps.
I breathed a prayer of thanks
As I began to heal.
After fifty years, our ranks are thin,
We who have seen the Dragon and survived.
Those who have died or are sickened still,
Their numbers are legion.
All we can hope for, work for, pray for,
Is that no madman will ever be allowed
To unleash the Dragon again.
For its legacy to all is death, disease and decay.
© Stephen M. Osborn
2 November 2006
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It Will Go On
The red, setting sun, casts long shadows of the rocks and hills.
When the reactors are silent and the radiation has decreased,
The desert still exists, silent save for the susurration of the sand
Blown by the winds, slowly covering the wounds of war.
Forgotten monuments again becoming homes and shelter.
Small creatures creep out in the gathering stillness
To carry on their own lives, eating and being eaten
In the long dance that predates man and will continue long after.
As the climates change, volcanos and tsunamis rend the land and shore,
With the melting of the ice the seas rise; temperate zones become steppes.
Encased in permafrost, man's vaunted civilization may crumble away.
Man, himself, may run crying into the limbo that holds the dinosaurs.
The desert, silent save for the susurration of the sand, will still exist.
The red, setting sun, will cast long shadows of the rocks and hills.
Small creatures will creep out in the gathering stillness
To carry on their own lives, eating and being eaten as they always have...
Steve Osborn
21 November 2005
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A few survivors
with raw and blistered skin
dust themselves off
and decide to be humins once agin!
;-)
One of the pretexts used to launch tthe Illegal war on Iraq was that Iraq had been firing upon Colation Aircraft that had been bombing Iraq and enforcing a no fly zone.
This no fly zone was uniltaerally imposed by the United States and the United Kingdom and was not authroized by the UN. Under international law Iraq had every right to fire upon the same.
Much the same happens here. The US , Israel and the United Kingdom are committing acts of war against Iran. They then feign outrage when Iran reacts as any nation would in the defense of its territory.
These are provocations. The USA wants its war. That is all they want. They will have it unless Russia and China prevent it. The people that want peace the world over have to look to Russia and China to safeguard it because no other country will.
I try to stay strong because of the grandchildren, mine and everyone else’s. But I believe any dream of seeing the blue mosque at Isfahan or the ruins of Persepolis are gone. Instead I see a world with the thunder and lightning of bombs, gasoline streams, drought and famine. And for me, perhaps, my last years alone in a small cell, with nobody to talk to. I never expected the nightmare that my country has become.
>>I never expected the nightmare that my country has become.<<
Same here. I'm 62 years old. So much has happened in the last 20 years, but especially in the last 10 since 911. And it gets worse daily. I wish I was much older and thus much closer to death. But who knows. Maybe I'll get lucky and stroke out tomorrow.
Sorry, but this country began as a nightmare. First with the genocide of the Native people that occupied this country. They were living in lands we wanted. When they fought back against the occupiers, they were the enemy.
Then the US started deposing many elected officials for the corporations. United Fruits, Standard Oil, ect.
Then of course, we had all the illegal wars. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Somalia and the other 80 countries the CIA and JCOS are in.
This country has always been a nightmare, hiding behind the Freedoms we find we no longer really have.
Genocide of the Native North American people - and enslavement of Native African people. Yes, I was speaking in terms of our contemporary brainwashing that tells us we were the shining city on the hill before the current fascist corporatocracy decided to just blatantly shove it in our faces.
It is a relatively small segment of the population for whom this drama is important or interesting. Yes, the most brainwashed among us, those trained for technocratic and support positions in service to the ruling class, are experiencing shock that the "shining city on the hill" narrative is all bullshit. But that was always true. The educated, white, educated suburbanites are the last to see it, they are not a vanguard of visionaries.
This is true. Not to mention slavery. The seeds of this evil have been around for a long time. But now the power is much larger, it reaches simultaneously into every area of the globe. The proclivity for violence is ingrained, universal in its application, and automatically fed to generate cash for the MIC. And most disturbing, they have "the whole world in their hands', namely the ability of the earth to sustain life, including human life. And law, which was always a tool for contending with power, now means virtually nothing.
What has changed is that a group of people previously immune to the horrors, "middle class" white educated people. are getting a small taste of what 90% of the people here and 99.999% of the people around the world have been experiencing at the hands of the US all along.
There was a young woman at OWS carrying a sign that said "I played by the rules, I did everything right, I worked hard, I got my education, and now I can't find a good paying job in my field."
I was very poor, but I never worried about the air, soil, ocean and streams becoming toxic the way they are today. You could count on spring and nature recovering on most of the globe. If you ignore the change, the scale of the change, in which small holdings and local industries such as fishing are now owned outright or degraded by corporations in great numbers, I think you are missing a major shift in the world, a shift from subsistence existence to utter desperation. And for middle class US people, the curtain has come down on opportunity for many, that is true. And the same folks are behind the curtain.
Understood. Of course things are getting worse. But the trajectory has not changed. It is not a "major shift" in what the ruling class is doing and has been doing all along. There is a steady escalation of the destruction, not a "major shift" in what the destroyers are doing.
In natural systems, small changes add up until there can be a tipping point that is both qualitative and irreversible. This is what I see about to happen with the earth's ecosystem because of things like global warming and ocean acidification. Meanwhile, this is being accelerated by the hunger for profit, addiction to fossil fuels and the insanity of war.
Yes, I hear that a lot. Describe this "tipping point" people imagine.
I find that the urgency people so often express is not so much urgency to do something, but an urgency to stop looking at things and thinking about them more deeply. It is not the collapse of the ecosystem nor the demise of communities and peoples they feel urgent about, but rather they urgently want to get a "solution" in place before things go too far, before the rabble gets too worked up and overthrows the whole rotten mess.
Yes, there is urgency. It is urgent that we look at things and think about them more deeply, it is not urgent that we stop doing that.
Well the column is getting too narrow. But look up James Hansen and the science behind 350.org. The ecological tipping point is real.
Sounds just like the lamentations of Native Americans seeing their beloved world crumbling before their eyes. Well come to think of it, it's the same folks just a few generations removed.
Well I don't see much feigned outrage from the US, they seem to take the downing of drones as part of doing business. I think the Brits are pretty upset about the embassy though and I sort of support them there. You can't go around attacking embassies when you get angry.
John Shade: "You can't go around attacking embassies when you get angry." You go bomb their country instead, right John?