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EU Climate Chief ‘Shocked’ at US Debate
European Union climate chief Connie Hedegaard is disposing of diplomatic niceties when describing U.S. political battles over climate change.
“I’m shocked that the political debate in the U.S. is so far away from the scientific facts,” she said, according to The Copenhagen Post.
"It’s hard for a European to understand how it has become so fashionable to be anti-science in the U.S.,” Hedegaard said. (photo: ©European Parliament/Pietro Naj-Oleari)
“When more than 90 percent of researchers in the field are saying that we have to take [climate change] seriously, it is incredibly irresponsible to ignore it. It’s hard for a European to understand how it has become so fashionable to be anti-science in the U.S.,” Hedegaard said in the Post account, which reprints comments she made to the Danish paper Politiken.
“And when you hear American presidential candidates denying climate change, it’s difficult to take,” she said.
Her remarks come amid a split in the GOP presidential field, where candidates including Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann dispute the mainstream scientific view that the planet is warming and human activities are a key factor.
The European Union in 2007 committed to cut its overall emissions by at least 20 percent below 1990 levels by 2020, and has offered much steeper cuts if other major emitting countries agree to an international deal.
The EU has also implemented a cap-and-trade system to curb emissions from power plants, factories and other facilities.
In the U.S., climate change legislation collapsed on Capitol Hill last year, while Environmental Protection Agency plans to craft greenhouse gas standards for power plants and refineries are under attack by Capitol Hill Republicans and some major industry groups.
EPA recently said it would delay the unveiling of proposed emissions standards for power plants that had been slated for Sept. 30. The agency maintains that it's committed to issuing the rules.
Internationally, hopes have faded — at least, for now — for a binding emissions-reduction treaty any time soon to replace the Kyoto Protocol, although the last two major United Nations summits have led to more modest agreements on deforestation, climate finance and other matters.
The next big U.N. climate summit will take place in Durban, South Africa, in late November. “In Durban we will attempt to lay out a plan with deadlines for when we will arrive at a legally binding agreement that includes both the U.S. and China,” Hedegaard said.
President Obama on Sunday attacked Perry on his climate views, drawing a counterattack from the Texas governor's camp. The president also said it’s imperative that “our planet doesn’t reach a tipping point in terms of climate change.”
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Show AllI was counting on buying my air and water on the open market-- you know, on Wal-Mart shelves, imported from China. Isn't that the American way?
LOL!! Bless you Royce, I needed a laugh this morning.
Hadn't thought of that. Problem solved. : )
So the EU is hireing from the Al Gore temp agency SRSLY!!! Any clown with a BA in International relations is calling themselves a climate scienist!
>^^<
An Imam, as well as a Climate scientist, I also have a doctorate in Religious Studies! which trumps all these end-of-world ninnies!!!
Talk about a "clown"... You fit that word ~~Catz~~... Hey Catz, you know what? Your continual posted ignorance of the subject of climate change is really getting to be very boring... You need a 'brake'.
Try this Catz... Disconnect your keyboard from your computer, set it at the top of at least 12 steps of a stairway, step on it and ride it down like a skate board.
CaTz is just a Right Wing Neo Fasisct employee who spouts the Right Wing Neo Fasisct Rhetoric.. Who do you work for CatZ the CIA or the FBI?
This country is just a global embarassment, in so many areas. Honestly, I'm glad I can't afford to travel abroad. I would need to develop an accent to fool the residents of the countries I was in.....
Easy, just put a Canadian flag emblem on your backpack.
Canada is rapidly going down the drain, and there are no checks and balances in a parliamentary system to reign in the ultra Conservatives. Just yesterday, Baird delivered perhaps the most shockingly embarrassing speeches in the annals of Canadian diplomacy to UN, basically scowling through every neo-con fantasy out there. And that doesn't even include the tar sands or the omnibus crime bill that will lead to the same social disaster that has happened with the American prison-industrial complex.
embarrassed for sure. I'm beginning to think this country is run by Zionist lackeys. My Canada .. Where are you!
Perhaps, but there is no comparison to the USA. We violate international norms in every which way imaginable, differing from other tyrannies only in the scale of the threat posed to humanity at large.
Yea right..We just let Cheney into Canada despite the fact that under Sections 35 and 36 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act which states that anybody who has engaged in torture is inadmissible to Canada. Our environmental policy.. well not much better. Even the msm has managed to pick up the anti tar sand sand/ pipeline protests. Let's just say Canada is on a long slippery slope.. down. Try a Norwegian flag.
Before I went to Europe in the early '70s I'd gone across Canada and had picked up a knit hat with the emblem on the front. It turned out that I knew enough about Canada to pass for one and got to hear the real deal about the US in general and Vietnam in particular. It also worked wonders when hitching so I'd wear it even when it was hot.
Yeah, that was in the 70's. Much has changed since then. A neo-conservative PM who wants to emulate everything American ("the dream" - many years ago and doesn't understand the world - especially USA has changed into a country going downhill fast) and believes in all that Ayn Rand economic crap, "The shining City on the Hill" (or whatever the wording was) crap, "the greatest country in the world" crap, and supports and wants to expand the ugliest, most damaging environmental disaster - the tar sands - and the expansion by way of pipelines through the States and across our provinces ....and he was elected with under 40% of the vote....aaagh...I'm so upset about our country going down hill.....\\
Traditionally being a country of peace, our PM wants to build more and more jails, purchase millions (oy- perhaps billions) of dollars worth of F-35 fighters (for what?????) and spend more $ on the military. Who are the enemies? Where are they? Me thinks this dated moron wants to play with "the big boys" i.e. the former USA imperial might.
We have not had enemies but if we continue this path, we too, will be the recipients of blow-back terrorism.
No, I would not be too keen on wearing a Canadian flag in Europe any longer.
while I can't grant Canada's government any more legitimacy than my own, I will put in a hearty 'good on ya' for the Canadian flag...
love that single, big fat red maple leaf on the white and red backdrop...
seriously...
it hurts to think of it representing planetary destruction, even more than, again, my own, even though my own is so much worse, at this time...
perhaps because I know my own devil, so don't expect any different...
I still have wonderful memories of many visits, from Vancouver, to Calgary, to Inuvik, NWT...
for what it's worth, Canada will certainly be one of the large, northern countries to feature prominently in this world's end days...whatever the population on that landmass, now, look for it to begin growing exponentially in the next decade or two...we haven't even broached arctic thawing, oil, and shipping...
Fukushima particles don't appear to be blowing too much Canada's way, at least...
that's something...
the US State department has actually suggested USers do this.
A Canadian passport will do! LOL >^^<
Maybe a few shirts with red maple leaves LOL,, Don't for the national anthem!! lol
Doesn't really work anymore.
I travel internationally a fair bit and the line between Americans and Canadians is disappearing in many places. I recently corrected someone in Amsterdam who said I was an American, I said "Actually I'm Canadian." His response was the rhetorical question "What's the difference?" I responded with "Not much anymore."
I travel overseas a lot and meet with locals and no on in years has really been negative towards me. Last time anyone was rude, was in East Berlin in 1987. Turns out he was being watched and let go on us then when we walked around the corner, he followed to apologize...
I wouldn't sweat the maple leaf. I don't think you need one.
USA, USA, USA! We're #1! We're #1! We're #1 in stupid and we are damn proud of it.
We don't need any facts! Opinion=Fact in the land of the feebleminded, and the home of the insane. That lady is a Ur-a-pee-in socialist so what the hell does she know! We'll keep driving our Hummers to get our freedom fries, because we know the earths core is a giant nugget of light sweet crude oil put there by none other than Jeebus hisself. We just need to get the pinko environmentalists off our backs so we can drill baby drill in our back yards to get to the stuff.
God wouldn't have put oil in the ground if he didn't want us to burn it now would he? CO2 is natural, climate change isn't happening, no wait it is happing but it is natural, is that it? Can somebody check with the CATO institute so I can know how they want me to think?
Remember in the USofA "We make our own reality"! and "Deficits don't matter", words spoken by our greatest president ever Dick Cheney. Yea baby deficits don't matter until the do...
You know, if I went to a certain right wing website, I wonder if I'd find someone who posted nearly the exact same thing you did. Except, of course, the rightie would have been utterly serious. :)
Just for fun, I'm subscribed to a Tea Party mailing list. On thing you notice RIGHT AWAY IN HUGE RED ALL CAPS! ! ! Can't reproduce the color and size but here's a sample of what's going over the back fence:
IN RESPONSE TO THE EMAILS CONCERNING MY DOG...
Please be advised I am sick and tired of receiving questions about my dog who bit six people wearing Obama tee shirts, four Democrats wearing Pelosi tee shirts, nine teenagers with pants hanging down past their cracks, and three flag burners.
FOR THE LAST TIME...THE DOG IS NOT FOR SALE !!!
that's funny...odd that Pelosi isn't a Tea Party heroine...
she was one of the key people required for the success of the whole 911 operation, as she held the power to impeach, or no...
notice she chose no...
I guess the Tea Partiers haven't, or can't understand why she did...or don't know what impeachment is...or the Speaker...
How do you get on that list? I'd like to join.
Something to what you say - we "Europeans" (to include white Americans) have been on a wrong path for about 500 years. Not sure what to do about it at this point.
NOPE! only the best for Jebus He'd stay in Vegas! and have a live internet chat to FAUX news.
Hate people who put down things they never read!! >^^<
“In Durban we will attempt... legally binding agreement that includes both the U.S. and China.”
ha ha ha ho ho ho hee hee hee. Will it ever end?
The naivete of Europeans (and even Canadians) regarding the sheer infantile idiocy of USAns really bothers me sometimes. Please boycott this place. Don't come here!
Right now, Canadians don't have anything to be smug about.
Sarkozy, Burlusconi, Cameron. Europeans neither.
Indeed. On the subject of carbon, the Europeans may strike a more becoming pose, pretending to listen to the science. But "cap and trade" pledges over there are the same global capitalist shell game as over here: funds diverted to carbon offset swindles, emissions diverted (with manufacturing) to countries whose governments show a high tolerance for air and water pollution.
China is on the same planet, so it doesn't actually help to offshore carbon emissions to China. Global emissions growth has accelerated since the Kyoto protocols. In many cases, countries have achieved the Kyoto goals. Emissions for manufactured goods are not counted against the country where those goods are consumed - the books are cooked. So is the planet.
Exactly! The whole "cap and trade" thing is either an elaborate piece of self-delusion or an outright total scam. It reminds me of someone who's trying to lose weight by saying..."well, I only ate three grapes today, so tomorrow I can have a big plate of greasy burgers with chips and a dozen doughnuts for afters". It just doesn't work!
What's even worse is that it's become yet another excuse and 'wolf in sheep's clothing gambit' to land grab and stealth tax populations instead of actually dealing with the problem genuinely.
Maybe it was being in the middle of the city, but I still found Toronto to be dramatically different and refreshing place compared to any US city. A real public transit system using streetcars running every few minutes that put cars in their proper secondary place on the street. Bicycles and electric motor scooters everywhere - which get free curbside sidewalk parking downtown; recycling that even includes city collection of compost. Healthcare coverage that is so universal that peope take it as much for granted as the public transit and sidewalks. A population that actually accepts the science of global warming. Nonexistant crime and fascist cops - I never heard a wailing police car in hot prusuit of someone driving or even just walking while black; Dramatically higher living standard and incomes. The "poorest neghborhoods of Toronto would be comparable to the neicer neighborhoods her in Pittsburgh.
Yes, the suburban reactionaries elected a limbaugh-like mayor, but ther is also strong organizing - signs on every street - pushing back and assuring he will be voted out the next election.
And, I'm not even talking about Quebec yet...
But yes, we have better beer and a better hockey team here in Pittsburgh, and for the Polish/Bohunk Festival, the Torontans still had to get their polka bands from Pittsburgh and Chicago.
Exactly - the Tea Party rules Canada...
We have Straussian King Steve Harper with a newly minted majority government running amok. Harper is a Big Oil lackie from the province of Alberta, a neo-liberal shit-hole just like Texas except we still have some oil left - well, tar sand bitumen if that counts...
Harper could not be less concerned about AGW - he worked like a fiend to subvert Kyoto - Copenhagen too...
Yet with all the reasons to boycott us, tourism is up year after year every year since 2001. This year numbers were up about 10%. I don't think people are actvely boycotting.
this woman believes in the US Government...? uh oh...
Hi dubet, at first I didn't want to comment on this article, as the name Connie Hedegaard reminded me of the despicable position taken by the western countries during the 2009 Copenhagen climate summit (COP-15). Hedegaard was very much involved in that fiasco, though she might have been part of the camp demanding some real action to reduce GHG emissions, to come up with a successor treaty to the Kyoto Protocol. She actually had to resign from her position as president of the COP-15 (the climate change conference at Copenhagen), letting the prime minister of Denmark take over. The lame excuse she gave at that time was that with so many heads of state attending the conference, it was best that Denmark was represented by their prime minister.
But by this time, the sabotage was complete. And she knew it. She was, after all, Denmark's "Minister for Climate and Energy" at that time and her right-hand man, Thomas Becker, who was until then the lead negotiator on emission reduction talks, was forced to resign after some conveniently cooked-up scandals over restaurant bills! Thomas Becker was instrumental in getting the COP-15 conference to Copenhagen in the first place, and was pushing for some substantial emission reduction targets to replace the Kyoto agreement, which runs out in 2012. Hedegaard called it "purely an administrative matter".
"Kyoto" was only a modest first step, but the criminals have made sure that even that would not be adhered to by some of the biggest polluters, and most certainly, there would not be any more commitments that are of a binding nature. It was around this time that the so-called "climate-gate" was all over the media and provided a convenient excuse for some of the pretend liberals (not to mention the rabid right-wing) in USA, Canada, Britain, etc., to call it all a big conspiracy by those evil scientists! So, no, I don't think Connie Hedegaard "believes in the US Government" as she must have seen the criminality from the inside.
Denmark has been in the pockets of the empire for some time now and has been a useful minion, such as being a part of the "coalition" in Afghanistan. Denmark's shame reached a peak (IMO) during the Copenhagen summit as it allowed the climate criminals sabotage the outcome and even went along with it, without siding with the developing and poorer nations who were crying foul.
I think it is human nature to look for some role model country when things get ugly and miserable at home. But it's harder and harder to find such countries anywhere, despite our fond imaginations of the virtues of other countries. Some of the European countries may be lesser criminals, but by repeatedly siding with the biggest criminals when it counts, they lose whatever respect they might have once had. Sometimes it seems like the criminals are already in complete control and are probably laughing their asses off as we peasants debate these points so seriously!
wow, Alcyon! excellent information, even if it only confirms my skepticism...
yes, your comment about 'role model countries' is revealing...this is similar to comments I've made to others about idolizing virtually anyone...
if we step back, and look at the United States as part of a continuum that migrated here from the continent, your conclusion regarding criminal control is eminently logical...
Frank Herbert, in Dune, invented a 'mentat'...essentially, a human that could mentally assimilate various, disparate data into a truth others were unable to see...
understanding international crime is like that...the 'national' part is so difficult to surmount...
peace to you...
Perhaps if Europe hadn't banished it's religious nut jobs to the shores of the New World 500 yrs ago, she'd understand a little bit better. America - The Land of Sociopathic Imbeciles, and proud of it.
So very true. Religious nutters, with a long history of slavery and genocide, the foundation of the American Empire.
Instead of decrying the ignorance of too many American people, we need to get to them with the facts.
Engage at every turn: letters to the editor which do not insult them but simply point out that pollution--smog and other particles put into the air by industry --means heat from the sun, once on earth, cannot escape, hence leading to more warmth on earth.
Also, show them pictures of glaciers and the Poles years ago and now. Yes, Al Gore does this, but he's widely despised (even by many of us for being such a hypocrite), so do this yourself.
Hand out leaflets at transportation stops, on the public sidewalks, wherever you legally can without getting thrown in jail (which would mean no more leafletting).
The only way people are going to learn the truth is if WE simply keep on spreading it out there. They watch Faux "news" because it's exciting, which they believe is "truth."
Get off this "Americans are stupid" kick and understand that it's ignorance, not stupidity, that's driving their incredibly bad voting decisions and beliefs.
We can't excuse willful ignorance.
Grassroots critical mass will not work in a swirl of media denial.
Here's why...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lgzz-L7GFg
Yeah, it's actually been hypothesized since the beginnings of the industrial revolution and was confirmed as far back as the 1950s using CO2 measurements on Mauna Loa.
I wrote a paper on it in college in 1984 - there were all of 6 references in the extant journals, all describing untold positive feedbacks we couldn't really understand at the time. The professor commented on the paper that I didn't give enough credence to the "other side". What "other side"? Even then the literature was sure an accelerated greenhouse effect was inevitable - the math was undeniable :T is proportional to [CO2], they just didn't have enough data to figure out how bad it would be or which of the positive feedbacks would dominate.
Would it be loss of vegetation - positive feedback; low-altitude clouds - positive feedback; lose of sea ice and decreased albedo - positive feedback; or methane release from thawed permafrost - major positive feedback. The jury was out then, but it seems to be close to a final verdict - they'll all work!
Sorry cleanearth, but you can't slay the dragon until you know it's a dragon and call it a dragon. Millions of Americans, including much of what we call our political "leaders" are plainly and self-evidently stupid. They are refractory to facts, evidence and even the simplest rules of logic. They just don't know or care. You cannot convince these people of anything or even influence them much. You can only ignore their idiot blather and try to buy them off with material success, i.e., policies and programs that benefit them materially. For some, even that is not enough, of course. And it is not even slighlty reasonable to expect the Corporate Democrats to lift a finger to improve lives for average citizens in America, so there will be no buying off, either.
These people don't care about facts. God is on their side - and you're going to Hell.
Oh yeah? Should we be discussing solutions like this? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/22/world/africa/in-scramble-for-land-oxfam-says-ugandans-were-pushed-out.html Burning down housing and killing children to help "fight global warming." Maybe those people who say the environmentalists are turning into facists are right.
How about you all focus on getting rid of nuclear plants before you deindustrialize the world by forcing us to pay more financiers money to gamble with?
Global Warming media mendacity has been going on since 1958, which is the year I was born. Watch this one minute video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lgzz-L7GFg
The link is to an amazing classic short from the great Frank Capra. Highly recommended to anyone with a minute and twenty seconds to spare!
The year you were born also happens to be the year another great (if less famous) genius, Charles Keeling, started measuring atmospheric CO2 from Mauna Loa. Many people have seen the resulting Keeling Chart, updated monthly now for 53 years (I think Keeling's son is maintaining it now). But Charles Keeling's brilliance is not generally appreciated. There were CO2 measurements before him, but Dr Keeling put it all together with (1) much more reliable, exacting instruments and methodology, (2) the insight that measurements atop Mauna Loa would provide a sound analog to global atmospheric levels, and (3) an ability to convince the bureaucracy that monitoring needs to continue indefinitely.
It wasn't just fortuitous. Keeling's interest in CO2 was specifically because of global warming concerns shared with several colleagues. The science goes back to Svante Arrhenius' discovery of greenhouse gases in 1896.
The measurements have been made on Mauna Kea, the other (extinct) volcano on the island of Hawaii. It is also the tallest mountain on the planet. I you measure from the ocean bottom it is a hundred or so feet taller than Mt. Everest.
If she wants to reach Americans, she'll need to go on Dancing with the Stars. Can she dance?