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Roundup: Birth Defects Caused By World's Top-Selling Weedkiller, Scientists Say
WASHINGTON -- The chemical at the heart of the planet’s most widely used herbicide -- Roundup weedkiller, used in farms and gardens across the U.S. -- is coming under more intense scrutiny following the release of a new report calling for a heightened regulatory response around its use.
Critics have argued for decades that glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup and other herbicides used around the globe, poses a serious threat to public health. Industry regulators, however, appear to have consistently overlooked their concerns. Critics have argued for decades that glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup and other herbicides used around the globe, poses a serious threat to public health. Industry regulators, however, appear to have consistently overlooked their concerns.
A comprehensive review of existing data released this month by Earth Open Source, an organization that uses open-source collaboration to advance sustainable food production, suggests that industry regulators in Europe have known for years that glyphosate, originally introduced by American agricultural biotechnology giant Monsanto in 1976, causes birth defects in the embryos of laboratory animals.
Founded in 2009, Earth Open Source is a non-profit organisation incorporated in the U.K. but international in scope. Its three directors, specializing in business, technology and genetic engineering, work pro-bono along with a handful of young volunteers. Partnering with half a dozen international scientists and researchers, the group drew its conclusions in part from studies conducted in a number of locations, including Argentina, Brazil, France and the United States.
Earth Open Source’s study is only the latest report to question the safety of glyphosate, which is the top-ranked herbicide used in the United States. Exact figures are hard to come by because the U.S. Department of Agriculture stopped updating its pesticide use database in 2008. The EPA estimates that the agricultural market used 180 to 185 million pounds of glyphosate between 2006 and 2007, while the non-agricultural market used 8 to 11 million pounds between 2005 and 2007, according to its Pesticide Industry Sales & Usage Report for 2006-2007 published in February, 2011.
The Earth Open Source study also reports that by 1993 the herbicide industry, including Monsanto, knew that visceral anomalies such as dilation of the heart could occur in rabbits at low and medium-sized doses. The report further suggests that since 2002, regulators with the European Commission have known that glyphosate causes developmental malformations in lab animals.
Even so, the commission’s health and consumer division published a final review report of glyphosate in 2002 that approved its use in Europe for the next 10 years.
As recently as last year, the German Federal Office for Consumer Protection and Food Safety (BLV), a government agency conducting a review of glyphosate, told the European Commission that there was no evidence the compound causes birth defects, according to the report.
The agency reached that conclusion despite almost half a dozen industry studies that found glyphosate produced fetal malformations in lab animals, as well as an independent study from 2007 that found that Roundup induces adverse reproductive effects in the male offspring of a certain kinds of rats.
German regulators declined to respond in detail for this story because they say they only learned of the Earth Open Source report last week. The regulators emphasized that their findings were based on public research and literature.
Although the European Commission originally planned to review glyphosate in 2012, it decided late last year not to do so until 2015. And it won’t review the chemical under more stringent, up-to-date standards until 2030, according to the report.
The European Commission told HuffPost that it wouldn’t comment on whether it was already aware of studies demonstrating the toxicity of glyphosate in 2002. But it said the commission was aware of the Earth Open Source study and had discussed it with member states.
“Germany concluded that study does not change the current safety assessment of gylphosate,” a commission official told HuffPost in an email. “This view is shared by all other member states.”
John Fagan, a doctor of molecular and cell biology and biochemistry and one of the founders of Earth Open Source, acknowledged his group’s report offers no new laboratory research. Rather, he said the objective was for scientists to compile and evaluate the existing evidence and critique the regulatory response.
“We did not do the actual basic research ourselves,” said Fagan. “The purpose of this paper was to bring together and to critically evaluate all the evidence around the safety of glyphosate and we also considered how the regulators, particularly in Europe, have looked at that.”
For its part, Earth Open Source said that government approval of the ubiquitous herbicide has been rash and problematic.
"Our examination of the evidence leads us to the conclusion that the current approval of glyphosate and Roundup is deeply flawed and unreliable," wrote the report’s authors. "What is more, we have learned from experts familiar with pesticide assessments and approvals that the case of glyphosate is not unusual.
"They say that the approvals of numerous pesticides rest on data and risk assessments that are just as scientifically flawed, if not more so," the authors added. "This is all the more reason why the Commission must urgently review glyphosate and other pesticides according to the most rigorous and up-to-date standards."
Monsanto spokeswoman Janice Person said in a statement that the Earth Open Source report presents no new findings.
"Based on our initial review, the Earth Open Source report does not appear to contain any new health or toxicological evidence regarding glyphosate,” Person said.
“Regulatory authorities and independent experts around the world agree that glyphosate does not cause adverse reproductive effects in adult animals or birth defects in offspring of these adults exposed to glyphosate," she said, "even at doses far higher than relevant environmental or occupational exposures.”
While Roundup has been associated with deformities in a host of laboratory animals, its impact on humans remains unclear. One laboratory study done in France in 2005 found that Roundup and glyphosate caused the death of human placental cells and abnormal embryonic cells. Another study, conducted in 2009, found that Roundup caused total cell death in human umbilical, embryonic and placental cells within 24 hours. Yet researchers have conducted few follow-up studies.
“Obviously there’s a limit to what’s appropriate in terms of testing poison on humans,” said Jeffrey Smith, executive director of the Institute for Responsible Technology, which lobbies against genetically modified food. “But if you look at the line of converging evidence, it points to a serious problem. And if you look at the animal feeding studies with genetically modified Roundup ready crops, there’s a consistent theme of reproductive disorders, which we don’t know the cause for because follow-up studies have not been done.”
“More independent research is needed to evaluate the toxicity of Roundup and glyphosate,” he added, “and the evidence that has already accumulated is sufficient to raise a red flag.”
Authorities have criticized Monsanto in the past for soft-peddling Roundup. In 1996 New York State's Attorney General sued Monsanto for describing Roundup as "environmentally friendly" and "safe as table salt." Monsanto, while not admitting any wrongdoing, agreed to stop using the terms for promotional purposes and paid New York state $250,000 to settle the suit.
Regulators in the United States have said they are aware of the concerns surrounding glyphosate. The Environmental Protection Agency, which is required to reassess the safety and effectiveness all pesticides on a 15-year cycle through a process called registration review, is currently examining the compound.
“EPA initiated registration review of glyphosate in July 2009,” the EPA told HuffPost in a written statement. “EPA will determine if our previous assessments of this chemical need to be revised based on the results of this review. EPA issued a notice to the company [Monsanto] to submit human health and ecotoxicity data in September 2010.”
The EPA said it will also review a “wide range of information and data from other independent researchers” including Earth Open Source.
The agency's Office of Pesticide Programs is in charge of the review and has set a deadline of 2015 for determining if registration modifications need to be made or if the herbicide should continue to be sold at all.
Though skirmishes over the regulation of glyphosate are playing out at agencies across the U.S. and around the world, Argentina is at the forefront of the battle.
THE ARGENTINE MODEL
The new report, "Roundup and birth defects: Is the public being kept in the dark?" comes years after Argentine scientists and residents targeted glyphosate, arguing that it caused health problems and environmental damage.
Farmers and others in Argentina used the weedkiller primarily on genetically modified Roundup Ready soy, which covers nearly 50 million acres, or half of the country's cultivated land area. In 2009 farmers sprayed that acreage with an estimated 200 million liters of glyphosate.
The Argentine government helped pull the country out of a recession in the 1990s in part by promoting genetically modified soy. Though it was something of a miracle for poor farmers, several years after the first big harvests residents near where the soy cop grew began reporting health problems, including high rates of birth defects and cancers, as well as the losses of crops and livestock as the herbicide spray drifted across the countryside.
Such reports gained further traction after an Argentine government scientist, Andres Carrasco conducted a study, "Glyphosate-Based Herbicides Produce Teratogenic Effects on Vertebrates by Impairing Retinoic Acid Signaling" in 2009.
The study, published in the journal Chemical Research in Toxicology in 2010, found that glyphosate causes malformations in frog and chicken embryos at doses far lower than those used in agricultural spraying. It also found that malformations caused in frog and chicken embryos by Roundup and its active ingredient glyphosate were similar to human birth defects found in genetically modified soy-producing regions.
"The findings in the lab are compatible with malformations observed in humans exposed to glyphosate during pregnancy," wrote Carrasco, director of the Laboratory of Molecular Embryology at the University of Buenos Aires. "I suspect the toxicity classification of glyphosate is too low.”
“In some cases this can be a powerful poison," he concluded.
Argentina has not made any federal reforms based on this research and has not discussed the research publicly, Carrasco told HuffPost, except to mount a "close defense of Monsanto and it partners."
The Ministry of Science and Technology has moved to distance the government from the study, telling media at the time the study was not commissioned by the government and had not been reviewed by scientific peers.
Ignacio Duelo, spokesman for the the Ministry of Science and Technology’s National Council for Scientific and Technical Research [CONICET], told HuffPost in an statement that while Carrasco is one of its researchers, CONICET has not vouched for or assessed his work.
Duelo said that the Ministry of Science is examining Carrasco’s report as part of a study of the possible harmful effects of the glyphosate. Officials, he added, are as yet unable to “reach a definitive conclusion on the effects of glyphosate on human health, though more studies are recommended, as more data is necessary.”
REGIONAL BANS
After Carrasco announced his findings in 2009, the Defense Ministry banned planting of genetically modified glyphosate-resistant soy on lands it rents to farmers, and a group of environmental lawyers petitioned the Supreme Court of Argentina to implement a national ban on the use of glyphosate, including Monsanto's Roundup product. But the ban was never adopted.
"A ban, if approved, would mean we couldn't do agriculture in Argentina," said Guillermo Cal, executive director of CASAFE, Argentina's association of fertilizer companies, in a statement at the time.
In March 2010, a regional court in Argentina's Santa Fe province banned the spraying of glyphosate and other herbicides near populated areas. A month later, the provincial government of Chaco province issued a report on health statistics from La Leonesa. The report, which was carried in the leftist Argentinian newspaper Página 12, showed that from 2000 to 2009, following the expansion of genetically-modified soy and rice crops in the region, the childhood cancer rate tripled in La Leonesa and the rate of birth defects increased nearly fourfold over the entire province.
MORE QUESTIONS
Back in the United States, Don Huber, an emeritus professor of plant pathology at Purdue University, found that genetically-modified crops used in conjunction with Roundup contain a bacteria that may cause animal miscarriages.
After studying the bacteria, Huber wrote Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack in February warning that the "pathogen appears to significantly impact the health of plants, animals, and probably human beings."
The bacteria is particularly prevalent in corn and soybean crops stricken by disease, according to Huber, who asked Vilsack to stop deregulating Roundup Ready crops. Critics such as Huber are particularly wary of those crops because scientists have genetically altered them to be immune to Roundup -- and thus allow farmers to spray the herbicide liberally onto a field, killing weeds but allowing the crop itself to continue growing.
Monsanto is not the only company making glyphosate. China sells glyphosate to Argentina at a very low price, Carrasco said, and there are more than one hundred commercial formulations in the market. But Monsanto’s Roundup has the longest list of critics, in part because it dominates the market.
The growth in adoption of genetically modified crops has exploded since their introduction in 1996. According to Monsanto, an estimated 89 percent of domestic soybean crops were Roundup Ready in 2010, and as of 2010, there were 77.4 million acres of Roundup Ready soybeans planted, according to the Department of Agriculture.
In his letter to the Agriculture Department, Huber also commented on the herbicide, saying that the bacteria that he’s concerned about appears to be connected to use of glyphosate, the key ingredient in Roundup.
"It is well-documented that glyphosate promotes soil pathogens and is already implicated with the increase of more than 40 plant diseases; it dismantles plant defenses by chelating vital nutrients; and it reduces the bioavailability of nutrients in feed, which in turn can cause animal disorders," he wrote.
Huber said the Agriculture Department wrote him in early May and that he has had several contacts with the agency since then. But there’s little evidence that government officials have any intention of conducting the “multi-agency investigation” Huber requested.
Part of the problem may be that the USDA oversees genetically modified crops while the EPA watches herbicides, creating a potential regulatory loophole for products like Roundup, which relies on both to complete the system. When queried, USDA officials emphasized that they do not regulate pesticides or herbicides and declined to comment publicly on Huber's letter.
A spokesman eventually conceded their scientists do study glyphosate. "USDA’s Agricultural Research Service’s research with glyphosate began shortly after the discovery of its herbicidal activity in the mid 1970s," said the USDA in a statement. "All of our research has been made public and much has gone through the traditional peer review process.”
While Huber acknowledged his research is far from conclusive, he said regulatory agencies must seek answers now. “There is much research that needs to be done yet,” he said. “But we can't afford to wait the three to five years for peer-reviewed papers.”
While Huber’s claims have roiled the agricultural world and the blogosphere alike, he has fueled skeptics by refusing to make his research public or identify his fellow researchers, who he claims could suffer substantial professional backlash from academic employers who received research funding from the biotechnology industry.
At Purdue University, six of Huber’s former colleagues pointedly distanced themselves from his findings, encouraging crop producers and agribusiness personnel “to speak with University Extension personnel before making changes in crop production practices that are based on sensationalist claims.”
Since it first introduced the chemical to the world in the 1970s, Monsanto has netted billions on its best-selling herbicide, though the company has faced stiffer competition since its patent expired in 2000 and it is reportedly working to revamp its strategy.
In a lengthy email, Person, the Monsanto spokeswoman, responded to critics, suggesting that the economic and environmental benefits of Roundup were being overlooked:
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The authors of the report create an account of glyphosate toxicity from a selected set of scientific studies, while they ignored much of the comprehensive data establishing the safety of the product. Regulatory agencies around the world have concluded that glyphosate is not a reproductive toxin or teratogen (cause of birth defects) based on in-depth review of the comprehensive data sets available.Earth Open Source authors take issue with the decision by the European Commission to place higher priority on reviewing other pesticide ingredients first under the new EU regulations, citing again the flawed studies as the rationale. While glyphosate and all other pesticide ingredients will be reviewed, the Commission has decided that glyphosate appropriately falls in a category that doesn’t warrant immediate attention.
“The data was there but the regulators were glossing over it and as a result it was accepted in ways that we consider really questionable,” he added.
CORNERING THE INDUSTRY?
Although the EPA has said it wants to evaluate more evidence of glyphosate's human health risk as part of a registration review program, the agency is not doing any studies of its own and is instead relying on outside data -- much of which comes from the agricultural chemicals industry it seeks to regulate.
"EPA ensures that each registered pesticide continues to meet the highest standards of safety to protect human health and the environment," the agency told HuffPost in a statement. "These standards have become stricter over the years as our ability to evaluate the potential effects of pesticides has increased. The Agency placed glyphosphate into registration review. Registration review makes sure that as the ability to assess risks and as new information becomes available, the Agency carefully considers the new information to ensure pesticides do not pose risks of concern to people or the environment."
Agribusiness giants, including Monsanto, Dow Chemical, Syngenta and BASF, will generate much of the data the EPA is seeking as part of a 19-member task force. But the EPA has emphasized that the task force is only “one of numerous varied third-party sources that EPA will rely on for use in its registration review.”
The EPA is hardly the only industry regulator that relies heavily on data supplied by the agrochemical industry itself.
“The regulation of pesticides has been significantly skewed towards the manufacturers interests where state-of-the-art testing is not done and adverse findings are typically distorted or denied,” said Jeffrey Smith, of the Institute for Responsible Technology. “The regulators tend to use the company data rather than independent sources, and the company data we have found to be inappropriately rigged to force the conclusion of safety.”
“We have documented time and time again scientists who have been fired, stripped of responsibilities, denied funding, threatened, gagged and transferred as a result of the pressure put on them by the biotech industry,” he added.
Such suppression has sometimes grown violent, Smith noted. Last August, when Carrasco and his team of researchers went to give a talk in La Leonesa they were intercepted by a mob of about a hundred people. The attack landed two people in the hospital and left Carrasco and a colleague cowering inside a locked car. Witnesses said the angry crowd had ties to powerful economic interests behind the local agro-industry and that police made little effort to interfere with the beating, according to the human rights group Amnesty International.
Fagan told HuffPost that among developmental biologists who are not beholden to the chemical industry or the biotechnology industry, there is strong recognition that Carrasco’s research is credible.
"For me as a scientist, one of the reasons I made the effort to do this research into the literature was to really satisfy the question myself as to where the reality of the situation lies,” he added. “Having thoroughly reviewed the literature on this, I feel very comfortable in standing behind the conclusions Professor Carrasco came to and the broader conclusions that we come to in our paper
“We can’t figure out how regulators could have come to the conclusions that they did if they were taking a balanced took at the science, even the science that was done by the chemical industry itself.”

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Show AllAha, it seems that humans are not "Roundup Ready."
Folks couldn't withstand Zyclone B either.
Note that US suburbanand exurban residents shower their property with more gallons of Roundup per acre than farmers do.
Not so sure about that, yes, suburban lawns do get more fertilizer and pesticides per acre than farm fields but Roundup kills both grass and weeds so it is not used on lawns, rather it’s used to kill unwanted weeds in driveways, sidewalks, patios and fence lines.
Roundup is sometimes used to kill all the vegetation in a lawn to be reseeded but the application rate for that would not need to be any higher than what is used on the farm.
suddenly, you have me imagining a team of Monsanto scientists working on just such a Roundup-Ready 'human'...
Would you rather have merry dandelions with their bright flowers and delicious leaves over birth defects for neighborhood children? Would you rather have intrepid crabgrass or groundwater filled with teratogens?
For those who are house proud, I suggest moving toward hardy local plants and ignoring weeds or digging them out by hand. I wonder if the city Parks Department uses these? It is worth an investigation and letter writing campaign. How much better if they were to give local humans a paycheck to pull weeds.
For those who are religious, I say Monsanto is the devil. Almost everything they do is insidious. No time to make a list here.
Wouldn't be the first time BASF contributed to a holocaust!
Unplanned parenthood, conservative style
BT is deadly to butterflies. I live on what used to be part of the great migratory fly-way of the Monarch Butterfly. Older trees on our property would occasion overnight sanctuary for thousands of specimens at a time--the trees appeared literally dusted with orange. Over the last decade our county has come under heavy GMO cultivation. Several thousand acres within a quarter mile of our home succumbed to GMO cultivation during the last four years. With the exception of a few scattered individuals, the Monarchs are no longer to be seen anywhere near us.
Let us also not forget to mention the devastation that component Neonicotinoid technology of GMO cultivation is having upon the pollinating species everywhere.
That, is something well studied and documented both here, and in Europe.
Thanks for the rational comments. People should read the studies themselves. Though not fun reading, they are enlightening:
"The aim of this study was to assess the reproductive effects of glyphosate-Roundup on male and female offspring of Wistar rats exposed during pregnancy and lactation. Dams were treated orally with water or 50, 150 or 450 mg/kg glyphosate during pregnancy (21-23 days) and lactation (21 days). These doses do not correspond to human exposure levels."
Also:
"[Frog] Embryos were injected with 360 or 500 pg of glyphosate ... per cell into one or both cells at the 2-cell stage. Glyphosate was coinjected with 10 ng of Dextran Oregon Green (DOG, Molecular Probes) to identify the injected side as previously described."
The author of the second study makes this disingenuous statement:
“In some cases this can be a powerful poison," he concluded. He forgot to mention that "some cases" means "directly injected into embryonic cells."
When you want to demonize a "chemical," just omit basic toxicology--like route of exposure, and dose.
It should be noted that alcohol and tobacco also cause birth defects. Agricultural workers are far better protected from the hypothetical dangers of glyphosate than pregnant mothers are from second-hand smoke--or their last glass of wine.
The headline is simply yellow journalism.
Roundup, when used - applied according to label directions, has caused a 96% to 100% death rate to amphibians in tests. http://www.esajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1890/04-1291
This is far from "applied according to label directions."
From your source:
"I assembled communities of three species of North American tadpoles in outdoor pond mesocosms that contained different types of soil (which can absorb the pesticide) and applied Roundup as a direct overspray. After three weeks, Roundup killed 96–100% of larval amphibians (regardless of soil presence). I then exposed three species of juvenile (post-metamorphic) anurans to a direct overspray of Roundup in laboratory containers. After one day, Roundup killed 68–86% of juvenile amphibians. These results suggest that Roundup, a compound designed to kill plants, can cause extremely high rates of mortality to amphibians that could lead to population declines."
From the Roundup label:
"Do not apply directly to water, to areas where surface water is present or to intertidal areas below the mean high water mark. Do not contaminate water when cleaning equipment or disposing of equipment washwaters."
I should have said according to label concentrations. Having said that, the sprayers used in farm fields have spray booms that can span over 100 feet so the application of herbicides in practice often hits small puddles used by wildlife. Also lots of amphibians use habitat far from water, which if it happens to be a corn field they're screwed.
"It's interesting that one source for this story was "Jeffrey Smith, of the Institute for Responsible Technology." A visit to his website shows that ITS is a pure anti-GMO campaign apparently funded by corporations that market premium "organic" foods."
It's even worse than that: Jeffrey Smith is a dance instructor and all-around flake:
http://academicsreview.org/reviewed-individuals/jeffrey-smith/
Hi Christ on a Crust. I see you finally felt it was time to change your screen name.
Your attack the messenger ploy (Jeffrey Smith) is shameless. The Institute for Responsible Technology has a ton of great information that is backed up with science based arguments. Anybody who spent 15 minutes reading their website will quickly see why you are full of shit! That you try to undermine this group and Jeffrey with your pathetic attack the messenger ploy is fucking weak.
You and Mark Abram's are shameless public relations hacks.
great comment eric these two bums are a couple of paid tools that surf honest sites trying to disrupt rational thought with their non-sense!!!!
Since you didn't bother to read the Academics Review, I'll quote it for you:
"Jeffrey Smith isn’t bound by the usual conventions. He once advocated getting thousands of people to collectively practice transcendental meditation – the yogic flying technique, to be precise, as he shows at left – to reduce crime and increase “purity and harmony” in the “collective consciousness.” Here Smith can be seen demonstrating yogic flying at an Illinois news conference on Oct. 22, 1996, where he was promoting it for the Natural Law Party of Iowa."
On The Natural Law Party:
'Among other things, the Natural Law Party proposed to: Establish a team of 1,000 yogic flyers. According to the party, such a group "dissolves collective stress, as indicated by significant reductions in crime, unemployment, sickness, and accidents, and improved economic indicators and quality of life". They would also would provide an "invincible defence".'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Law_Party
The reporter for Huffington Dumpster quotes Smith with a straight face. She thinks he's a reliable source. It's a joke.
Attacking the messenger is weak. And this from a supposed professor? If you look into the message that Jeffrey is spreading you will see many real stories from many real scientists who have done many real studies. Why don't you try to address the message, instead of attacking the messenger?
Mark Abram the paid shill for every deadly industry on earth strikes again!
"It's interesting that one source for this story was "Jeffrey Smith, of the Institute for Responsible Technology." A visit to his website shows that ITS is a pure anti-GMO campaign apparently funded by corporations that market premium "organic" foods."
That is fucking hilarious! Hilarious in the sense that I know you are full of shit. Do you have any proof for this claim?
Thanks for the link. That is a great website with tons of information (science-based too!) Everybody should check it out and discern the information for themselves.
Mark Abram says... "This is not evidence that "genetically modified organisms" in themselves are dangerous or unhealthy to eat."
But there is evidence that shows GMO's are dangerous to the lab animals that eat them, Mark. There is virtually no evidence that it is harmful to humans because so few studies have been done. (besides the study that found BT toxins in 93% of pregnant women after they ate GMO crap) I have an idea... maybe you should volunteer yourself and your entire family for clinical trials to see what happens when you eat all GMO, all day long. Please, get going there buddy. Hopefully you and your family won't lose reproductive abilities like the mice did in the Austrian study.
I asked you a few questions in a different thread and you failed to address it (Maybe you were too busy shilling for the nuclear industry) so I will copy n paste those questions below for you to answer. To add context: My question was on the heels of you saying that the anti-gmo movement is not science-based and that this group was 'just making up rationalizations.'
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Why are the French scientists who released a study that shows rats that ate GMO soybean and maize developed kidney and liver problems as not being scientific enough? Please tell us all why their findings are not 'scientific'. And please tell us all why the six French scientists 'just making up rationalizations'..
=> http://www.enveurope.com/content/23/1/10
Please tell us why the study done by the Institute of Environmental Science and Technology of the Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona - who finds that GMO's are making the coexistence of GMO's and organics practically impossible because of cross pollination - as false. Tell us why this scientific finding is not scientific. And tell us why these researchers are 'just making up rationalizations.'
=> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080630102731.htm
Please tell us why the study done by the eight Austrian scientists - who found that long-term fertility of mice who ate GMO maize had disturbing negative effects - is false. Please tell us why their scientific findings are not scientific. And please tell us why the 8 Austrian scientists are 'just making up rationalizations.'
=> http://www.biosicherheit.de/pdf/aktuell/zentek_studie_2008.pdf
Please tell us why the study done by two Canadian scientists - who found that pregnant women who ate GMO crap found Bt-toxin in their blood, "the toxin was identified in 93% of 30 pregnant women, 80% of umbilical blood in their babies" - is false. Please tell us why their scientific findings are not scientific and why a peer-reviewed journal has accepted their findings. And please tell us why these scientists are 'just making up rationalizations.'
=> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21338670
Please tell us why the study done by Dr. Don Huber of Purdue - which found a new 'infectious pathogen [that] causes diseases in both plants and animals' - is false. Please tell us why his laboratory tests and his findings are not scientific. And please tell us why he is 'just making up rationalizations.'
=>http://www.truth-out.org/usda-approved-monsanto-alfalfa-despite
-warnings-new-pathogen-discovered-genetically-engineered-crops
And while you are at... please tell us why Germany, France, Austria, Hungary, Greece and Luxembourg are 'just making up rationalizations' when they decided to BAN GMO maize. Please tell us why their 'decision to ban was based on scientific factors' is false. Please tell us why these countries are engaged in 'the product of some monstrous institutional conspiracy'.
=> http://www.euractiv.com/en/cap/germany-joins-ranks-anti-gmo-
countries/article-181267
On your first source, funded by Greenpeace, by the way:
"Seralini and his co-workers in their paper reported 494 comparisons between rats fed GM food and rats fed conventional food. With this number of comparisons, you would expect to get 25 differences at a probability of 5% and 5 differences at a probability of 1% where no differences exist. Seralini reports 33 differences at 5% and 4 differences at 1%; almost exactly the number you would predict to occur through chance. This is an elementary problem in statistics and a practice that good scientists avoid. It also totally undermines any conclusions drawn from the analysis."
http://gmopundit.blogspot.com/2010/01/gmo-statistics-part-5-fsanz-say-non.html
On your second source: This is what happens when "organic" farmers choose to segregate themselves into enclaves and demonize those around them. Not living in the real world is their choice.
On your third source: the mice were abused in the lab:
"the Austrian scientists wanted to keep quiet about conditions in laboratory that led to somewhere near 8% of the baby mice dying, or being eaten perhaps by male parental mice.
"The GM-fed mice survived better. The differences in favour of GM-feed are possibly not statistically significant, but its hard to tell because the Austrian group did not comment explicitly on these disturbing deaths, neither did they provide a very detailed statistical analysis."
http://gmopundit.blogspot.com/2008/11/curious-incident-of-silence-about.html
On your next source:
"Surprisingly, the authors do not consider that the origin of Cry1Ab could be food from organic farming (which sprays Cry1Ab, or bacteria producing it, on fruit or vegetable crops) or from its use in gardening (CryA1b is part of available "natural insecticide" formulations).
"...this publication, in its present state, is of unsufficient quality to be convincing. It has not undergone a proper review process according to the standards of a scientific journal, which would have required the validation of the results and their discussion in relation to available literature."
http://gmopundit.blogspot.com/2011/04/it-you-record-noise-you-dont-get-music.html
Then you cite the Huber flap, but Huber has been repeatedly eviscerated for not releasing his data. His "findings" were also leaked directly to the press, which is the sure sign of a quack:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/04/02/1589527/scientists-question-melba-mans.html
Poorly done. Luckily anybody can read those studies to discern the information for themselves...
And you never addressed the last series of questions about the European countries banning GMO's. Hmm... I guess you just couldn't call 6 different countries irrational and cult like, could you? That might be stepping into the ludicrous realm...
Oh My God. I just took the time to read your 'rebuttal' sources. You are using a biotech website to disprove the studies I provided. You have got to be fucking kidding me!?!?! Hilarious!
"Glyphosate degrades quickly and does not persist in the environment". You cannot say the same thing for radioactive materials. yet you defend them as well. You ignore evidence of the environmental toxins that are REAL and whose effects will be borne by the next generations of humans and all living things. Most people are simply unaware, which is dangerous, but not dishonest. You expend constant and assiduous effort defending all sorts of dangerous practices.
A UT Austin geneticist pointed out that most genes are involved with different genes to create more than one protein so that selecting a gene to produce a given chemical will produce unknown other chemical changes in the organism. Some of these changes can be toxic. Independent tests show toxic effects in some genetically modified food. Most corporate science is corrupt; these big corporations operate as fascist organizations of an increasingly evil oligarchic upper world class. You are are at least naive to be supporting these harmful fascist corporation products.
"“Obviously there’s a limit to what’s appropriate in terms of testing poison on humans,”
there is?
If we are going to feed a world which contains too many people, we must use chemicals to fight weeds and increase yields. Continuing research must be done to eliminate the most dangerous of these chemicals. As it is, banning glyphosate may simply mean that farmers will use other more dangerous chemicals. The only other possible alternative is to open our borders and encourage millions of Latinos to come to the US and work the fields for very low wages.
https://americancenturyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/IN-FLY-70892v2_Blog.pdf
in 2010, the US consumed approx. 290 million metric tons of corn...
approx. 250 million of those 290 million were used for ethanol and animal feed...
then, there are approx. 13 million used for HFCS...
after that, we trickle down into other relatively tiny categories, which, finally, include actual food for eating, like cereals...
when 250 out of the 290 million metric tons are used industrially, and only a small fraction of the remaining 40 used as actual food, it is disingenuous to pretend 'feeding the world' is the motivation behind...
was your Latino comment sarcasm?
People like to eat meat. No, not sarcasm.
A healthy garden does not need poison.
We almost never use chemicals in our gardens. A Hula hoe and hand weeding works well for us.
What constitutes a "healthy" garden?
Any normal garden is loaded with poisons.
Celery and parsnips are chock full of methoxypsoralen. Brussels sprouts and other brassicas contain allyl isothiocyanate. Apples and other fruits contain the carcinogenic compound caffeic acid.
You consume more natural poisons in a single cup of coffee than man-made pesticide residues you consume in a whole year's worth of conventionally-grown produce.
http://www.pnas.org/content/87/19/7777.full.pdf
MBendzela, You are full of toxins and you are spraying this thread.
Others who care about eating healthy and surviving in an increasingly toxic World may want to look into Permaculture gardening. It is a way of growing a garden and putting all the plants that "get along" together. Thus creating a robust variety of foods that can feed many people with sometimes limited space.
It wasn't enough to call it Agent Orange and defoliate Vietnam. Now anyone can spray their yard. Go to any bog box gardening store and the aisle is stocked full of this poison. Everybody sprays it and they don't bother to read the warnings anymore. They spray the weeds in the cracks of the cement - right where everybody walked in and out of the building on windy days too. Ground water in America must be full of it. There is no license to use it. Any grumpy weed hater can go take out their hatred of weeds and there is no supervision. No sign to post, hey I just sprayed here.
You are misinformed. Agent Orange did not contain glyphosate (Roundup)
Agent Orange is an equal mixture of two phenoxyl herbicides – 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) and 2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4,5-T) – in iso-octyl ester form.
Many of the problems were due to dioxin contamination of the 2,4,5,T herbicide. Phenoxy herbicides are hormone mimicers that are much more likely to cause human health problems than glyphosate.
Yes, you are correct. We will use more 2,4-D in the near future. Plants are being genetically modified to be tolerant to 2,4-D. This will have certain benefits, but I doubt if it is quite as 'safe' of a chemical as glyphosate. 2,4-D does have a nasty habit of actually "picking up" off the ground and back into the air even days after application.
There is probably no herbicide with a higher benefit cost ratio for sustainable large scale agriculture.
It has revolutionised large scale agriculture in the dry zones of North America by allowing minimum tillage. People who decry the use of herbicides aren't taking responsibilityy for the damage done to the environment by tillage.
I dislike Monsanto intensely, but wouldn't want to be without glyphosate, which by all indendent analysis is one of the safest herbicides. We now have about 30 billion person years of experience with Roundup in the past 20 years in NA. (Yes that's right. 30 billion person years). If there has been a significant impact from glyphosate and regulators haven't detected it, then we are indeed in a sorry state.
Keep studying, but don't believe every study from a partisan source.
Round-up won't be used much longer for the simple reason that weeds are becoming immune to it--water hemp, to give one example. This resistance applies to all chemicals that interfere with the same chemical mechanism. As far as I know, there aren't any "silver bullets" to replace Round-up. Those who know about farming methods advocate a varied approach to weed control: crop rotation, no-till, planting crops naturally weed-resistant, as well as timely applications of certain sprays. The point is, glyphosates have been overused in the past and have indirectly created monster weeds through Darwinian selection. A better system of controlling weeds must be devised.
By "immune" I assume you mean resistant.
How does being resistant to glyphosate make a plant a "monster"?
means needing more and more chemicals to knock it out
The weeds become the monster. The ones that inherit the resistance gene become very aggressive and can take over a field. After all, the other weeds are eliminated, the net result being a "super weed." I believe cotton crops, heavily sprayed with glyphosate, are being invaded by a weed whose name I cannot remember. People are having to pull the stuff now that the spray doesn't work.
Do you have a source showing how glyphosate makes plants "aggressive"? I wasn't aware that they had a central nervous system.
The weeds along my stone wall all died after I sprayed them. This would seem to contradict your theory.
It is likely that glyphosate will continue to be used for quite a while. While it is quite true that some resistance has developed in a few broadleaf weeds, I don't know of any resistant grasses at this point. Personally, I add 2 1/2 ounces of an additional broadleaf weed killer per acre to my glyphosate when spraying corn. This does an excellent job and eliminates the chance for any nasty weed surprises in the next few years.
The situation about weed resistance in the cotton crop in Georgia is described in
http://southwestfarmpress.com/cotton/resistant-weeds-alter-cotton-production-practices
The resistance of Palmer amaranth is attributed to exclusive use of glyphosate spraying to control weeds. Corn's turn will come, I suspect.
Your source is clear: the "aggressive" nature of amaranth is the nature of amaranth. It's not caused by glyphosate.
Also, the problem is not glyphosate, it's mis-management:
"He said the problem occurs across the Southeast and Mid-south. “Growers created resistance with selection process by using only glyphosate herbicide,” he said.
"It shouldn’t have gotten this bad, Culpepper said. “We tried in 2005 to get farmers to use a preventive program for about $35 an acre. No one would do it."
With no weed competitors, amaranth is aggressive. Your quotes underline my point in an earlier post: a balanced approach to weed control is called for that includes many elements--choice of crops, mechanical disruption of weeds, crop rotation, mulches for some crops, application of organics like ground corn. I am arguing for tapering off glyphosate, using it less often--not abruptly getting rid of it altogether. Not a very extreme position...is it?
My point is that there is no such thing as a "monster weed." That is a media sensation.
Other than that, our points of view are not that different.
I use mulching and mechanical weeding for crops. I use Roundup on stone walls and fence lines.
Really, there are monster weeds. Garlic mustard is one of them in my part of the country. It overwhelms native vegetation. No one understands how it can be so vigorous. Are they due to herbicides like Round-up? Probably not, though herbicide-resistant crops will breed weeds that carry the resistance gene over time. The possibilities for trouble are there--emphasizing that no single means of weed control is going to work over a span of decades.
I used to huff stuff like that back when it was legal to sell and buy 2,4, D and 2,4,5, T---it was agent orange but nobody called it that. I still have 2 gallons of 24D in the barn. The 245T is now off the market, but four ounces in two gallons of water would kill anything. Until you have fought weeds by hand you shouldn't judge people who use the stuff, even Roundup.
MBendzela --- Are you Mark Abram in drag? dh