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War—What Is It Good For? Absolutely Nothing, According to Latest Work by San Anselmo Filmmaker
"I belong to a small, fanatical sect," Stafford wrote in his journal. "We believe that current ways of carrying out world affairs are malignant."
San Anselmo filmmaker Haydn Reiss recently released Every War Has Two Losers, a film about Stafford's objections to combat. Reiss would like viewers to see the film as an invitation to reconsider their ideas about conflict. The 32-minute documentary feels more like a poem or a peace meditation than a movie. It assembles a cast of writers—including Alice Walker, Robert Bly, Maxine Hong Kingston and just-named U.S. Poet Laureate W.S. Merwin—who read Stafford's poems and journal entries and talk about how his words moved them. Marin County actor Peter Coyote provides the voice of Stafford, who died in 1993. 
Last week, Walker joined Reiss and media critic Norman Solomon on stage at the Christopher B. Smith Rafael Film Center after a screening of the film. The three talked about their disgust with what they see as a warmongering, materialistic culture and brainstormed ways to change it.
"Small ways of choosing to live may be the best we can do," Solomon said.
Walker said the film prompted her to consider actions she could take to stop war. "It again reminds me that it's up to us. And leadership will always disappoint us—even though we worked hard to elect it," she said. (During the 2008 presidential election, the author of the 1983 Pulitzer Prize-winner The Color Purple campaigned for President Barack Obama.)
Solomon talked about being disgusted by what he called "warnography." "We're besieged by it," he said, "and it has become the wallpaper of our society."
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WEARING OPEN-COLLAR SHIRTS with sports jackets, Solomon and Reiss sat on stage in the sold-out auditorium on either side of Walker. Dressed in black, with the dreadlocks she wore in the film shorn and her gray hair in a short Afro, Walker did most of the talking. (She spoke so quietly that she sounded as though she was whispering, making it tough for some of the elderly people in the audience to hear her.)
She tried to rouse the San Rafael audience to organize against the Hollywood motion-picture industry. "Do we have to sit and endure bombings, car crashes?" Walker asked. "We don't have to endure it. We can actually see how to change things. From now on, these people will not insult us. We do not have to endure this. Where is the human indignation in us?"
Over the past five years, Solomon said, Marin County taxpayers sent $1.5 billion to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Audience members gasped when they heard the figure.
Reiss, who is 56 and came of age during the Vietnam War, said he feels frightened because Americans seem numb to the wars our country is waging. "War is not divorced from concerns about the environment, health, the economy," he said.
"The position I take is the reason war is never a good idea is because every war is a war against the earth, and you cannot just bomb your mother," Walker said.
Solomon said we tend to objectify the people we call our enemies and turn the people at the other end of our missiles into non-people. In the film, Stafford says, "When it's an enemy, it's not a person anymore. It's a target."
"When I lived in the South, white people didn't think we had feelings," said Walker, an African-American. "From the way we are behaving as a nation, we don't feel. We have numbed ourselves out. People are just numbed out and seduced by the mall in a big way."
Walker said an affluent white woman recently asked her if she didn't believe that economic disparities between whites and people of color were narrowing. The question incensed Walker.
"The inequity has not disappeared at all," she said. "When you see the soldiers going off to Iraq, the inequity is visible in the faces of the soldiers. They're mostly poor boys and girls. They don't have good teeth, good healthcare."
Walker recoiled at the film's most moving image—a close-up of a crying Iraqi child, her arms raised in surrender, staring into the barrel of a gun as soldiers lead her out of her home. "Generations of her family will be frightened by that moment," Walker predicted.
At the beginning of World War II, Reiss's uncle, a U.S. Navy sailor, was killed at sea. The filmmaker wondered what would have become of his mother's handsome brother had he lived. After the screening and the discussion, Reiss set up a table with black-and-white photographs of his uncle and a group of women, including his grandmother, who lost their sons during World War II. Reiss's grandmother refused to smile.
"She never saw this as a fair exchange," Reiss said.
After the discussion, Walker stopped to have her picture taken with Reiss in front of the black-and-white photos. What about genocide in places like Nazi Germany and Darfur, an 18-year-old from Fairfax asked Walker. Must we say no to war in the face of such civil rights violations?
"I think there are other ways," Walker responded. "I think there are other ways you can raise consciousness."
After the screening, in his home in the Morningside neighborhood of San Anselmo, where he lives with his wife, Zuhra, 10-year-old daughter Sofia and 5-year-old son Oliver, Reiss said he wanted to address the Hitler question in the film. He also wanted to contain it to 30 minutes so it would fit in a PBS time slot, and he ran out of time.
But the filmmaker, who visited German concentration camps and whose father was Jewish, said the question is whether the war path leads to greater safety. World War II, he said, gave birth to nuclear weapons. "So did we win?" he asked.
"I think William Stafford's ideas are as vital today as when he wrote them 20, 30 years ago, and his essential opinion is that war is not inevitable," Reiss said. "He's asking us to think for ourselves, question what we've been told and always see war as a tragedy."
For more information on Every War Has Two Losers and a schedule of screenings, go to www.everywar.com.



28 Comments so far
Show AllIf we are addicted to oil, we certainly are to War.
The trick is to find a way that makes the people who profit from war, get sick of it.
The bad news is War is making us sick and poor so that the super rich can be happy.
The good news is the disease will eventually run its course, so take an aspirin, and hug something.
"The trick is to find a way that makes the people who profit from war, get sick of it."
YES!
Perhaps a kind of "A Clockwork Orange" approach is what we need. Put all of the Pentagon's top brass and congressional chicken-hawks in a theater, tape their eyes permanently open, and make them watch hours of needless death and destruction...to the point of induced vomiting, all to the strains of "God Bless America".
Yes, war is good for the people who profit.
The Afghani president and his pals profit.
The military/industrial system profits hugely.
Those who invest in that m/i system profit.
The trillion dollars we spent on the wars does not go to Iraq or Afghanistan -- it mostly comes right back home.
And the five-sided building gets to try out all its useless weapons.
Making, producing, weapons is the most profitable business you can design because you make things with the purpose of blowing them up, so there is always need for more. You don't have to advertise, you have no overhead --that is covered by tax payers.
For that trillion and other trillions to follow we could have had single payer health coverage for everyone for the rest of the century, we could have repaired and expanded out broken infrastructure -- but money making trumps all programs for we the people.
Sounds like a good plan to me!
Peace is a planned economy.
Plan for peace
The detractors always say "what about the Nazi gas chambers, Auchwitz, etc). The answer is that it can always be shown that we caused that by our greed that caused the German people to give up hope in their reasonable leaders, and caused them to turn to the extremists. This is still going on - our greed silences voices of reason that would instill fairness and justice, and when there is no justice there is extremism.
Tax all war profits at 100 percent. If is the "patriotic duty" of the Citizen Soldier to fight wars in order to "defend liberty and freedom" wherein they sacrifice thier lives , health and morality, then I am sure the "Profiteers" can be convinced to forgo thier profits to defend those same values.
This is the very thing Smedly Butler suggested.
Were such the case the number of wars would plummet.
A Large portion of the employed middle class are Defense industry workers and military personnel.
They could be tasked with a new mission of rebuilding America's infrastructure for sustainable healthy communities and homes.
The military needs a new mission... to rebuild America for peace.
America is a society which is fairly quickly becoming more barbaric, bullying and, yes, COWARDLY.
Think of countries such as Belgium, Denmark, etc. etc. who don't spend all that much on their military and who don't go out into other coutries starting wars and establishing military bases.
Yet.......
These countries are not "quaking in their shoes, afraid of their own shadows," so to speak.
It is citizens of those countries who are brave, and most Americans (the War-Mongers) who are the cowards.
I DO have one question, though.
How do the extreme pacifists actually think that we could have stopped Hitler and his government from taking over the abundance of countries which he did, and was in the process of continueing?
World War II is the ONE war I think actually needed to be fought.
that is the thing about World War Two, it's hard to imagine vastness makes it the prime example for new war justification.
But does anyone add to the calculation... "what war have we won since world war Two?" ... OK we got Panama...again.
Well, through some criminal/ilegal monuevering Israel got Palistine. Sooooo, now we got perpeptual war for corporate profit. America is destroying itself covering for the crimes of the Israelis. What a deal!
One doesn't have to approve of the Israeli Government's policies to realize that what Israel's doing has nothing to do with the fact that the United States of America is destroying itself. The USA has been doing that long before the State of Israel even came into existence.
World war two was caused by small minded greedy winners of world war one, who made Germany a festering dump of hungry, hopeless, masses, and effectively castrated the responsible leadership. Into this cesspool bad things were sure to grow.
That's why after world war two we took a different approach to Germany/Italy/Japan, although we obviously have not learned from success given the way we are stifling responsible democracies unless they give away their resources to our multi-nationals. Our refusal to grant visas to journalists that report on groups that don't cowtow to multinationals is criminal and is one of the primary reasons for so much extremism now. People who have no voice act out - just look at children in families with authoritarian parents.
To the question of was WWII necessary. The late-great Howard Zinn always countered with another question: Did it end Fascism? Did it end all wars?
And then ask yourself if ANY war solved ANY problem over the long term.
As the article says: War creates two losers. No one wins.
The USA thought we "won" WWII. In reality it merely created the fertile ground for the inverted totalitarianism of our present age.
We could have and should have stopped Hitler many years before 1939. (Maybe you think that war started when the US joined? No, it started Sept 1, 1939
A British prime minister, Chamberlain, tried at the last moment when it was too late.
The French did the wrong thing by meeting war threats with re-arming and building fortresses in the wrong place.
The smaller countries, like Belgium and the Netherlands, did not believe Hitler was a threat to them.
How do we stop the party of Hell No?
How do we stop the greedy banks, health "insurance" companies, Big Pharma?
How do we stop the likes of BP?
We the people?
Every war has two losers.
But if there weren't wars then you wouldn't be able to write about wars. What would soldiers do if there weren't any wars?
Soldiers would suddenly be without jobs. So they would saying to themselves, we need a war so we can get out jobs back.
How would their be movies about wars, and books about wars if there weren't any wars. Plus your taking away the joy of being Collateral Damage from people.
It was hardly yesterday according the story the King Herod sent his worldly soldiers to slay the male babies of Bethlehem who were only so much collateral damage to him because he heard a new King had been born.
How would have those babies known the joy of just being collateral damage in someone's eyes because Herod was a worldly King that feared in his flesh over the loss of his worldly throne when he heard a new King was born according the story.
But Creator was a step or two ahead of Herod, Creator being Creator, and human beings just being human beings, and moved the baby Herod sought to kill out of the way through a Dream Messenger.
A Living Being from another dimension.
Dream pathways in. Dream pathways out.
This Universe only a dimension, but there are other dimensions where there are living beings from where Creator watches and listens.
And doesn't even have to pay for cable to watch the show on planet earth.
But the new born King wasn't even interested in Herod's throne because the newborn King did not come as a worldly King but as Spiritual King teaching of his Father's Spiritual Kingdom.
Basically telling his disciples they were living in an insane world and they would have to live under whatever form of worldly Government of men they were born under, but his Kingdom is not of the world of man, this world.
One of the things I love about the Kingdom of Heaven is it isn't a worldly Republic, Representative Republic, nor a Democracy.
Neither the Caesar's of Rome nor the Herod's rule in the Kingdom.
I wonder, or almost wonder when Jesus said, Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's that while it may look like Caesar is building some really grand swell world all it will eventually do is become Hell on Earth.
Of course there are the stories from within Tribes that Jesus lived in this land long ago. Long before the Europeans arrived to set up their modern day Roman Babylon. The Mormon's in their book say he lived in this land with Tribes, too.
All that would have meant was he was out from under Dictatorial European Roman Rule, The Roman Republic, out from under Herod's rule, and out from under the Dictatorial Religious system of Israel.
So if the stories are true he probably had a good life just hunting, fishing, growing and gathering some food. Just camping out upon Creator's earth.
So if the stories are true he lived in this land long ago then good for him. Since his names in paradoxical animal symbology are Lamb of God and Lion of Judah because he was born of the Tribe of Judah then why wouldn't enjoy just hanging out with the Tribes of this land.
I always have lots of fun when somehow Europeans show up at my door trying to hustle me to their Churches to tell me all about Jesus. I tell them, 500 dollars each and every time I come to your Church.
Like they're going to hustle me into their Religious system in their hustler's paradise world where everything is bought and sold. Try to Covert me to their Religion of Christianity. They have about as much chance of that as the Pharisee's had in Converting Jesus to become a part of their religious political faction as he told them they would travel 100 miles to find on Convert and then turn them into a child of hell a 1000 times worse than they.
Oh, we have to Convert you to our Republican and Democrat Politics upon the earth. Oh, we have to Convert you to our Religion upon the earth.
Life in the pay your bills and die world of the Europeans. Thank God life is short in their world.
Life is good. What an experience! It's always best to forgive.
Sometimes you run across a real gem here. ShadowDancer, you have put up one of them.
The "Christians" have tried to change the "Prince of Peace" into the "God of War". Being pro-peace is seen by these as an act of cowardice or even treason. This despite the fact that Jesus said, "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword." He spoke these words to an individual, but they also speak to governments and empires. And even Washington.
The Creator of us all has granted me time enough on this earth to figure out that what I was being taught by the "Christians" was not even close to the gospel of Jesus. After wondering alone in the darkness for a while, I found Deism.
Deism only has two tenants: God and God-given reason. Thats all! No more God who kills the Amelikites or whoever. Now I can look around and see the hand of the Creator. My mind is my Church. No pastors, no priests, no televangelist. "Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty, I'm free at last." (I always love working in MLK)
As you say, "Life is (now) good."
"Blessed are the peacemakers..."
PS
Check out Leo Tolstoy's "The Kingdom of God is Within You".
deadfoot,
Great post.
I love Tolstoy!
Chelsea
The "Hitler question" is bogus. World War One, not Hitler, was the original impetus for WWII. Not one of the reasons for WWI was resolved, either by the Versaille Treaty or the war itself. Greed, stupidity, and empire worship were the causes. Without resolution of these issues, the Great War Part 2 was inevitable.
You wanna stop war? Stop militarism -- the institution that guarantees perpetual war.
There's a new psycho in town - jarhead general Mattis who likes killing people and will now run Centcom. Obama stands in front of the bathroom mirror, balls up his fists, sneers and says to his reflection: We got 'em on the run now. Then he goes to bed, plugs in his laptop and watches the DVD of John Wayne in "The Green Berets". Above his bed is a poster of oiled up Sylvester Stallone wearing a do-rag. The caption reads: Do we get to win this time?
Beyond militarism is the problem of human beings who like killing and smashing things. Obama is now one of those (and probably always has been).
I have a suggestion/idea that is beginning to get some buzz a la the book "The Empathic Civilization" by Jeremy Riffkin(sp) as well as others. What the world needs now is an empathetic sensibility---in my view along w/others, the means to this ends is education, the medium to bring this idea to awareness of the society---the ideology/mindset to counter a militaristic mind-set is one that emphasizes promotes fosters the values of individual dignity & worth of all peoples/culture, as well as a sustainable view of life on mother earth, is the teaching of the values/mindset of a Human Rights Education beginning in pre-school. Thereby presenting another frame for the imagination to view the world & how we think & conceptualize, others/strangers/enemies- as a countervailing narrative to the current meme.
Two examples that jump to mind to reinforce this idea are Germany & Japan. Prior to WWII both were militaristic in their views, after WWII, today & for a considerable period of time now, both have been transformed as societies by another ' set of values, yes imposed yet this methodology did not include magic, or miracles or the coming of a messiah---rather it was through education & in relatively short period, on the historic record.
Thought experiment: would we, America, be a better place, kinder gentler compassionate etc, if from pre-school through 12th grade our youth were taught, daily, HR as an esteemed cultural value. Not solely in the public ed. sphere, but especially in the private school sector as well---where many of our future leaders will come from.
Today, in the political atmosphere there's a big push/emphasis on early childhood education, a good place to start----& it will send a broader message!
Your idea is wonderful, but the Corporatist-Militarist Ruling Class will not allow such education in schools or in media/entertainment.
The Texas School Board censorship of all but extreme right-wing, U.S. "exceptionalist" history is a case in point. Obama & his Ed. chief, Arne Duncan, want privatized schools which teach to tests, not help students learn to think, question, or care for others. In both these cases, the commonality is that students must be brainwashed to take their place as the unquestioning drones, if not drone pilots, of the Empire, so the Ruling Class can continue to steal and plunder.
Corporate media is nothing more than the Ministry of Propaganda for this Empire, so it will never allow such empathy, outside of a few "feel-good" news stories and movies ("The Blind Side") to be seen.
The Ruling Class is sociopathic. Sociopaths, by definition, cannot feel empathy, and will not allow empathy to deprive them of power and control.
I agree of course, simple ain't easy, however, in the world of 'what if'(not beyond reach) colleges universities & most especially community 2yr schools, the most diverse of our ed. institutions elected(they must be persuaded/pushed)...the premise being, a positive aspect of a democracy, there is room to select from a smorgasbord of ideas & HR has hegemony over all others, no one will acknowledge,whatever their persuasion will publicly declare that they are against HR...which is intoned by the powers that be---ag nasume---HR are in the political sphere, a buddy of mine claims that people are o.d.ed on HR because it's mentioned so much. Ask anyone you come in contact/w if they believe in HR---after they reply of course, ask em which ones!
HR at a young age simply shines a light & focus on the empathetic sensibility that cognitive & Neurological science are demonstrating is 'soft wired' in our DNA.
To my mind it just takes a couple few precedents, that work, ie; studies have shown that teaching HR agenda, mitigates bullying, promotes critical thinking, collaboration & communication, & as an unintended consequences raises achievement scores! what school of higher learning will publically come out against a call for HREd literacy 101 for incoming freshman!
With this administrations push for universal pre-school, which they acknowledge, lip service maybe, is crucial to growth & development for our youth---the idea is not to ask permission rather 'do it' an applied HR agenda----of which there is a middle school under the NY city public school system, small school initiative that is centered in all it's aspects, sports, classroom management, discipline etc that uses this model.
As another commenter pointed out, it is the private-schools that 'need' this more----that is where the ruling class comes from----they are many, liberal humanities oriented & have a much easier decision making process to determine what is or isn't taught w/out all the politic & bureaucratic riga-moral---this is an alternative to the obvious overwhelming direction the ruling elite are taking us granted---however, 'without imagination people die' psalms!
War has NO purpose for society as a whole but for Government and the Banking Cartel it has.
Silvio Gesell, 1916, Book: "The natural economic order"
"In spite of the holy promise of the peoples, to outlaw war for all times, in spite of the cry of millions: "War – never again!", contrary to all the hopes for a brighter future, I have to say today: If the current monetary system, the interest system economy is kept, I dare to assert already today that it won't be 25 years until there is a new, even more terrible war! I can clearly see the coming developments. Today's state of technology will enable the economy to produce at maximum performance. Capital will be accumulated quickly despite the big losses in the war and cut the interest rate because of over-supply. Money will then be hoarded. The economic area will shrink and massive armies of unemployed people will be on the streets. At many boundary posts, you will be able to see a plate with the inscription: "People looking for a job are refused entry, only lazybones with a bag stuffed full of money are welcome". Like in the old days, one will try to occupy other countries and will have to manufacture cannons for that - at least there will be employment for the unemployed then. There will be wild, revolutionary trends among the masses, and also the poisonous plant extreme nationalism will mushroom again. No country will be able to understand the other, and the end can only be war again."
25 years later Germany was in the middle of war...
This part is applicable even today. Isn't it?
History destined to be repeated.
Americans came to this land to escape the cages they were living in and the people they chose to watch over thier cages. They didnt realize that they were simply a tool and didn't see the big picture. When they had to learn a new way it went in the wrong direction and they started building the same cages and now there is no place left to go. I say this is all changing and you can either direct the change or just keep riding the same pony in the same direction. you must find your truth and your power and honor it.
Well stated.
Read "Fortunate Son," by Hatfield, about Bush's grandfather, along with Democratic Presidential candidate, Averell Harriman, and how Brown Brothers of New York, helped finance the Third Reich during WWII. Congress finally got them to desist around 1941.
Read how U.S.M.C. General Smedley Butler made Cuba safe for Brown Brothers to operate.
War is about money & profits, pure and simple.
Those who say that war is absolutely good for nothing are obviously not part of the MIC and do not partake in the looting and pillage resulting from war.
Now, I bet that if you ask EXXON, Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, Lockheed Martin, the answer will be much, much more different. And they'll gladly telling you so while laughing themselves all the way to the Swiss bank.