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Israeli Raids Target Children
SILWAN, EAST JERUSALEM - Three thousand heavily armed Israeli security service forces locked down large parts of the Old City of Jerusalem on Tuesday, as battalions of police fired rounds of tear gas and rubber-coated steel bullets at Palestinian protesters in the occupied eastern part of the city. Nearly 40 Palestinians were wounded and treated at nearby hospitals, as 25 were arrested during intense clashes.
Palestinian children walk in the East Jerusalem neighbourhood of Silwan March 2, 2010.
(REUTERS/Ammar Awad) Protests were aimed at the Netanyahu administration's announcement of expanded illegal settlement construction in East Jerusalem and the five-day closure of the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound and Palestinian institutions within the Old City. Fundamentalist settler groups held an opening ceremony for a synagogue constructed against the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, which was seen as a provocation to the Palestinian community in the area.
Clashes took place in several areas of East Jerusalem, including Shu'afat refugee camp, Wadi Joz and Silwan. This comes on the heels of accelerated attacks by Israeli forces and Jewish settlers inside Silwan in particular, directed towards the community's youngest and most vulnerable population. Since January, at least 33 children from the area have been arrested, detained and interrogated by Israeli forces as home demolitions and settler takeovers continue apace.
Muslem Odeh, 10, tells IPS that he was taken by Israeli forces on Mar. 11 at 3 am, after police broke into the family's home in Silwan's Bustan neighborhood and pepper-sprayed his father who attempted to protect him. "They were banging on the door, and demanded I come with them. They told me that I had thrown stones at a settler. But I never threw stones."
Guards inside the interrogation center took Muslem around the jail and showed him the cells, threatening to hold him in one of them if he did not confess to throwing stones. At one point during the six-hour interrogation process, Muslem asked a guard if he could go to the bathroom. The guard refused. "I said, 'would you let me go if I were a Jewish child?'" Muslem tells IPS. "And the guard was ashamed. He finally let me use the toilet."
Muslem's mother, Hiyam Odeh, says that her son's behavior has changed dramatically since his arrest and interrogation. "He can't sleep at night. When he does, he has intense nightmares. He has had hallucinations of police at the window who threaten to grab him," she tells IPS. "Muslem and other children in Silwan are very distracted at school. They worry about whether they'll be able to return home without getting attacked or taken by the police or whether they'll even have a home to return to at the end of the day."
Murad Shafaa of the Committee to Defend Bustan Neighborhood says that Silwan is on the frontlines of Israeli settlement expansion policy in occupied East Jerusalem. "In Bustan, these Israeli attacks have created an enormous stress on the community," he tells IPS. "The children have been especially affected by the tension, to the point where they take their favorite toys and clothes with them to school because they fear that at any point their house could be demolished."
"The Israeli forces are threatening the families through the children," Shafaa continues. "In the cases when the police come in and arrest the children, they will only release them on an expensive bail, and every day, the community continues to fear what will happen to their kids."
Sarit Michaeli of Bt'selem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories in Jerusalem, says that the treatment of youth by Israeli forces has raised serious concerns regarding the overall protection of the rights of minors within the Israeli military court system.
"Children should be afforded extra protection under international law," Michaeli says. "However, Palestinian children who are arrested for allegedly throwing stones are being detained at very young ages. Palestinians are tried as adults at 16 years old, in contrast to the age of 18 for Israeli minors. They're being held inside prisons with the adult population."
Michaeli remarks that in the context of the increasingly tense situation in Silwan, Israel's policies of nightly raids and arrests of children especially in the Bustan neighborhood adds to the pressure on the Palestinian community who already face imminent threats of home demolitions. She says that because the Jerusalem municipality places severe restrictions on the ability of Palestinians to obtain legal building permits in their communities, Israeli police present the policy of home demolitions as simply a matter of law enforcement.
"But the Jewish settlement expansion remains constant," she says. "And Palestinian children, in places such as Silwan, are facing disproportionate measures of punishment inside the Israeli justice system."
Defence for Children International (DCI)'s Palestine office reports that Israel's policy of arresting children is happening at an aggressive rate throughout the West Bank and occupied East Jerusalem.
In a recent press release, DCI says that there are six Israeli prisons that currently hold approximately 350 Palestinian children under the age of 17. "All but one of these prisons (Ofer Prison) (are) inside Israel, in contravention of Article 76 of the Geneva Convention." Moreover, adds Abed Jamal of DCI's Hebron office, "arresting, detaining and imprisoning Palestinian children is in direct violation of the United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child."
The Netanyahu administration, for its part, announced that it will not backpedal on its plans to continue settlement expansion in occupied East Jerusalem. "These policies of arresting and interrogating Palestinian children are meant to break the spirit of the child and their families," Hiyam Odeh says. "But we are a strong community. We will remain steadfast, and we will not leave our homes."
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Show All"These policies of arresting and interrogating Palestinian children are meant to break the spirit of the child and their families," Hiyam Odeh says. "But we are a strong community. We will remain steadfast, and we will not leave our homes."
Israel is accelerating its ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and is targeting Palestinian children in order to terrify the Palestinians into leaving their homes.
As Ariel Sharon once said, "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
It is because Israelis view the Palestinians as "untermenchen," or subhuman, that they are able to be so cruel. Just as the Nazis viewed the Jews as "untermenchen." Israel is a vicious and racist society, subsidized by our tax dollars to the tune of $5 million dollars each day.
Where were the governments of the world when the Jews were being destroyed by the Nazis? Same place they are now, while the Palestinians are being destroyed by the Israeli Jews.
how does anyone accept a complete stranger from a foreign land coming into someone's house and saying, "this is my house. see, it is written here in this book."
where did the israelis come from?
Israeli Prime Ministers
David Ben Gurion - born David Grün - Poland
Moshe Sharett - born Moshe Shertok - Ukraine
Levi Eshkol - born Levi Skolnik - Ukraine
Golda Meir - born Gold Mabovitch - Ukraine
Yitzhak Rabin - born in Palestine of Ukrainian parents
Mernachim Begin - born Mieczyslaw Biegun - Belarus
Simon Perez - born Szymon Perski - Poland
Yitzhak Shamir - born Icchak Jeziernicky - Belarus
Benjamin Netanyahu - born Benzion Mileikowsky - grandparents from Russian Empire (Belarus, Lithuania & Poland)
*First (and, to date, only) Israeli prime minister born after the State of Israel's foundation
Ehud Barak - born Ehud Brog - parents from Lithuania
Ariel Sharon - born Ariel Sheinerman - parents from Lithuania
Ehud Olmert - parents Ukrainian
Other notable Jews
Ze'ev Jabotinsky (Vladimir Yevgenyevich Zhabotinsky) Irgun founder born Odessa (Russian Empire)
Yitzhak Sadeh (founder of IDF) - born Lublin (Russian Empire)
Moshe Dayan - born in Palestine - parents from Ukraine
Leader of the Opposition: Tzipora 'Tzipi' Livni - father from Poland
Deputy Prime Minister: Avigdor Lieberman - born Авигдор (Эве́т Львович) Либерман - Moldova
Government Minister: Silvan Shalom - born in Tunisia
Government Minister: Dan Meridor - father born in Russia
Yuli-Yoel Edelstein born Ukraine
Meir Dagan - born Meir Huberman in Eastern Europe - Mossad director
And the myth that Israel is a democracy? Where are the Israeli voices of resistance to the brutal expansionist regime? Is it just typical western media that is failing to report on this or is the silence in the media due to the silence of Israelis of conscience?
gladtobeincanada sez: "Where are the Israeli voices of resistance to the brutal expansionist regime? Is it just typical western media that is failing to report on this or is the silence in the media due to the silence of Israelis of conscience?"
Typical western media, I think. Here's some untypical info from Counterpunch:
'The Israeli Resistance' By HANNAH SAFRAN
http://www.counterpunch.org/safran03262009.html
"I said, 'would you let me go if I were a Jewish child?'" Muslem tells IPS. "And the guard was ashamed. He finally let me use the toilet."
God or humanity, or whatever you want to call it, it is in there, somewhere. You can bring people to do evil things, but something inside them still knows what good is.
I hoping the Israeli's "accidentally" level the mosque. That'll be the match to start the armageddon they're frothing for.
One wonders if they're targeting children because "nits make lice", as the ugly old saying goes.
It seems that the messianic ideology of eternal zionist ascendency has institutionally entrenched itself again in Israel, after nearly 2000 years. Wild-head Zealots propagate the politica and methodical Sicarios of the IDF are charged with the killings. Yes, like Nazi Germany in the 30s and 40s, Israel seems to happily enjoy bringing itself to some new form of disaster.
Cicero: "Freedom is participation in power."
The Israelis have become a nation of degenerates. Too many post-Bush II Amurkans are no different.
freedom on the march!
Too bad if children get hurt along the way....
At the approach of Passover, March 29, one should read the 12th chapter of the book of Exodus where it describes how the exiled Jews were to sprinkle blood on their doorposts so the God’s death angel would passover their dwellings and kill the first born gentiles next door including their animals. Whether ones believes this myth or not, it should remain a mystery why this genocidal infanticidal myth is still celebrated with tokens on their doors by modern Jews and tolerated by everyone else. Jews know damn well what Passover means, but if you ask them they will mutter some euphemism about passing over into the promised land. That their god promised them an arid piece of desert with no oil is another mythical mystery that Netanhaha uses to justify the illegal settlements.
The question asked is where are the governments of the world when the JEWS were being destroyed by the NAZIS? Many of us in those other "countries" would want our country to do something, however most of our leaders have been BRIBED by the JEWS or blackmailed by the JEWS to look the other way while the JEWS do their HOLOCAUST and murder most of the PALESTINIANS (just leave a few as slaves). The lies that come out of ISRAEL are so finely crafted it is impossible to believe any of them.I have heard JEWS SAY on many occasions that the reason for all this murder etc is because the JEWS are so much more intelligent than everybody else. Of course that is a baldfaced lie NAZI GERMANS figured them out. If they are so smart how did the so called HOLOCAUST OCCUR!
tmbluesbflat - Your swastika is showing.
I often wonder if there will be a catastrophe to blame the Palestinians, or Iran, to justfy what the Jews are doing.
Hitler did Reichstag. All of this could have been eliminated if the Jews had not become so obcessed with land. The promised land belongs to the Palestinians, and it was a man--Moses, not God, that said it was for the Jews. I don't believe God wants one to steal from another.
in 1948, israel started off by killing count folke bernadotte, a u.n. mediator and peacekeeper. look him up on the internet and weep. but you will then know all you need to know about israel.
These creatures are actually commiting the atrocities that, in times gone by, the Nazis only accused them of. Aided and abeted by my senators and congressman! There is no 'quarter' anymore.
And the Israel-can-do-no-wrongers wonder endlessly in their op-eds. articles and posts why anti-semitism is on the rise
The "synagogue constructed against the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound" (In English - Temple Mount) was located in the Jewish quarter in Jerusalem. It was a re-opening of an old synagogue, which was destroyed by the Jordanian Legion (Muslims) in 1948, when they ethnically cleansed the Jewish quarter.
It is sad that people consider a rebuild of something which was destroyed by Muslims as: "provocation."
zionist are equal to the Hutus
How is it so?
Did the Zionists take machetes and killed 800,000 Palestinians in 3 months?
Or is it that the Hutus rebuilt a shrine that was destroyed by the Tutsi 60 years ago?
Thanks for the clarification.
"synagogue constructed against the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound" never made sense since the compound is off limits for Jews since somewhere the holiest of the holies is located atop temple mount (AKA Al-Aqsa Mosque compound).
Israelis are pretty much like spoiled children. They take more because the parents (the US) have spoiled them.
The Jews hate the Nazis so much that they become them!
Another example of the horror that the US, UK and Europe have encouraged, funded, and protected. When did we decide that Palestinians are not humans?
Would the Jews be so bold if the US government weren't their allies? In other words, we are responsible for these crimes against humanity, and we are paying for this with the downfall of our great nation. The worst is yet to come!
YES, Alan, this horror can be laid at the doorsteps of "American government".
Thank you Letto for leaking some facts into this otherwise dogmatic blathering. Do people read this stuff and accept it as is? Yes, the Synagogue was an old one and destroyed by the Jordanians in 1948 at the same time they were seizing 1600 homes of Jews who had held deeds to their property.
Now those who were forced from their homes 1600 Apartments are being built in the Jewish quarter and their Synagogue is rebuilt.
It is unfortunate that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini who inspired the violence of today was active with Hitler in in 1943 the Mufti traveled several times to Bosnia, where on orders of the SS he recruited the notorious "Hanjar troopers," a special Bosnian Waffen SS company which slaughtered 90% of Bosnia’s Jews and burned countless Serbian churches and villages. These Bosnian Muslim recruits rapidly found favor with SS chief Heinrich Himmler, who established a special Mullah Military school in Dresden.
5000 Jewish children killed.
When Adolf Eichman tried to cut a deal with the British government to exchange German POWs for 5000 Jewish children who also could have fled to Palestine. The Mufti’s protests with the SS were successful, as the children were sent to death camps in Poland instead.
This is the man who is behind all of the hatred and violence in Palestine. Although he died in the 60s in exile Lebanon where he was hiding from being tried as a war criminal, his actions are carried on starting with groups who would become the PLO.
nice paddywagon,
Not a mention of outrage of the Palestinian Holocaust that's going on right now. You are one sick pup to justify it based on events that transpired over 60 years ago by people none of us have ever met.
Attitudes like this are the reason for all of the hatred and violence in Palestine, imho.
"You are one sick pup to justify it based on events that transpired over 60 years ago by people none of us have ever met."
You know, not to go on one side or the other of the debate, this logic is flawed because we are talking about events 40 years ago with people we never met being the basis of the current crisis. I guess the "people none of us have ever met" part isn't really an issue since I don't think you knew Dyan, Begin, Sadat, Nassar, Assad, Myer, and the rest... So I guess we're left with the date. 40 years is pertinent and 60 years is not. So by that logic, we wait another 20 years and the problem simply becomes a ghost?
I am going to posit that if Paddywagon is one sick pup, you just might be stupid. The war in the ME is complex. It is not Israel acting alone as ogre. The arabs, especially the Palestinians, have a hand in the violence and have since the beginning.
There is no possibility of justice here because justice for each group means the exclusion of justice for the other. Palestine cannot exist as Palestine with an Arab majority without Israel changing to the point that Israeli's won't accept it. Israel cannot continue to exist without the Palestinians not accepting it.
In truth there is only one path, peace. Absolute peace and non violence. End the conflict THEN look for justice.
JohnShade the troll said:
"I am going to posit that if Paddywagon is one sick pup, you just might be stupid. The war in the ME is complex. It is not Israel acting alone as ogre. The arabs, especially the Palestinians, have a hand in the violence and have since the beginning."
TJ says:
Sure the Palestinians have a hand; since the average age of them is what? Sixteen years old? But that's all they have is a teenage hand with a rock or a firecracker in it.
I may be stupid, but even a stupid guy like me can deduce the odds of survival of unarmed civilians vs. an armored military.
Let's see, Supersonic F-16 vs. a teenager with a rock and a firecracker in his hands. Gaza Score: 1500 dead Palestinians, 14 dead Israelis (many from friendly fire). Since they are trapped inside prison walls it's analogous to shooting fish in a barrel.
Since I flew combat in Desert Shield and Dessert Storm and was awarded a medal for it, maybe I know something about the subject. Maybe a Shady guy like you knows nothing about it.
The situation is not "complex". It's Genocide.
We are despicable human beings to let this war crime go on. At the very least we must declare AIPAC a government agent for Israel and cut off all funding to that bloodthirsty state.
TJ
It is horrifying to see how much anti-Israeli sentiment one can found here.
I went to CD main page, I counted 8 anti-Israeli articles.
1. Israeli Raids Target Children
2. The Break on Palestine
3. Rachel Corrie's Memory, Israel's Image
4. Pentagon Tells Obama to Press Israel for Peace
5. Support Our Troops: Boycott the Israeli Occupation
6. Business As Usual. Or Not.
7. Apartheid Is Burning
8. Clashes Break Out in East Jerusalem
I did a quick research to see if CD cares about constuction projects in disputed areas in general. Or if it obsessed only with the Jewish state.
I counted the number of articles on the subject of Chinese construction projects in Tibet (And Taiwan)- 0.
The number of articles on Turkish projects in Cyprus - 0.
Articles on Marrocoan projects in Spanish Saharah - a round number. Very round.
Serbian constructions in Kosobo or Bosnia - You guessed it right. None.
Georgian or Russian housing projects in the two breakaway provinces. - nada.
I widened my search. I tried to find an article on other conflicts, such as Nigeria, where yesterday 12 Christian woman killed by Muslem raiders and their tongues cut off - Not a word.
The conflict in Yeman and the Saudi occupation (Which claimed hundreds of lives.) - silence.
The only question is WHY?
What is the reason for the overwhelmingly disproportion focus?
What about the principle of Universality?
Attitudes like this are the reason for all of the hatred and violence in Israel / Palestine, imho
Well Letto,
Not to worry. The MSM will probably cover it up for you. They will portray the two sides as equal armies who just can't find peace. 300 Million Americans won't know about your little private Holocaust you're defending and it will go on until they are all wiped out.
Happy?
Out of the eight stories you listed, it pains me to realize that you didn't dispute the truth of any of them. Your whole argument is that if others around the world get away with genocide, ooopps I'm sorry, what was it you calledl it?; innocent "construction projects", then so should Israel.
Letto, you can put all the lipstick you want on this pig, but it's just not going to help. All the neighbors can smell it now, and they know just what kind of a filthy animal you're trying to hide the existence of.
TJ
I didn't say that Israel is perfect.
I said the CD is disproportionally over obsessed with Israel, while turning a blind eye to other conflicts, some of which are deadlier than the Israeli Palestinian conflict by a factor of 500 or even 1000.
I don't think that any of the other examples you cite come close to the reconstruction of the 1940's Warsaw Ghetto in Gaza. Nor have those other conflicts been in existence for 43 years. Nor do those other conflicts involve a city that is holy to three of the world's monotheistc religions. That possibly explains the particular interest.
Renovation of the Jewish quarter of the old city seems far less provocative than the settlements of the West Bank but it is still occupied territory and against the Geneva Convention. By the way how are the Armenian and Christian quarters these days, being resettled, falling into disrepair?
I also agree that the there should be balance and proportionality in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The US should give the Palestinians $30,000,000,000 or so per year, every year, equal to what we give the Israelis. The US should give Palestinians control over a couple of US newspapers and TV networks so that there will be balanced news coverage. If pro-Israeli lobbyists control the US House of Representatives, then the Palestinians should control the Senate. The death rate in the conflict is now very disproportionate, 4 or 5 Palestinians are killed for every 1 Israeli: the principle of proportionality and balance is an exact "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" as the Bible recommends. Then there is the matter of nuclear weapons. If the Palestinians had as many as the Israelis, then there would certainly be peace between them. Balance and proportionality are very, very important.
Israel is getting 3 Billion from the states, and not 30 billion. (Between 5% - 6% of the total US foreign aid.)
The Palestinians are getting 3 billion Euros a year from the EU. (Which mount for 60% of the total EU foreign aid.)
Ancient Hebrews of Lachish
According to the standard Jewish Encyclopaedia 96% of all the Jews known to the world today are the descendants of the Khazar tribes of Russia, eastern Europe and western Mongolia; these are the Ashkenazi Jews, the other major sect of the Jews are the Sephardic Jews, and they are a bastard people from the mixing of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, Jebusites, Girgashites, Kenites, Edomites and some true Israelites. the Jews have never been Israelites; they are not Israelites now; and they will never be Israelites.
Encyclopedia Americana (1985):
“Ashkenazim, the Ashkenazim are the Jews whose ancestors lived in German lands…it was among Ashkenazi Jews that the idea of political Zionism emerged in the late nineteenth century, leading ultimately to the establishment of the state of Israel
In the late 1960s, Ashkenazi Jews numbered some 11 million, about 84 percent of the world Jewish population.”
The Jewish Encyclopedia:
“Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania.”
Khazar: Ashkenazi Modern Jew
The Encyclopedia Judaica (1972): The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia: The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia:
“Khazars, a national group of general Turkic type, independent and sovereign in Eastern Europe between the seventh and tenth centuries C.E. During part of this time the leading Khazars professed Judaism…In spite of the negligible information of an archaeological nature, the presence of Jewish groups and the impact of Jewish ideas in Eastern Europe are considerable during the Middle Ages. Groups have been mentioned as migrating to Central Europe from the East often have been referred to as Khazars, thus making it impossible to overlook the possibility that they originated from within the former Khazar Empire.”
The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia:
“The primary meaning of Ashkenaz and Ashkenazim in Hebrew is Germany and Germans. This may be due to the fact that the home of the ancient ancestors of the Germans is Media, which is the Biblical Ashkenaz…Krauss is of the opinion that in the early medieval ages the Khazars were sometimes referred to as Ashkenazim…About 92 percent of all Jews or approximately 14,500,000 are Ashkenazim.”
The Bible: Relates that the Khazar (Ashkenaz) Jews were/are the sons of Japheth not Shem:
“Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth;…the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz…” (Genesis 10:1-3)
New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, page 179,[GCP pg 68]
“ASHKENAZI, ASHKENAZIM…constituted before 1963 some nine-tenths of the Jewish people (about 15,000,000 out of 16,5000,000)[ As of 1968 it is believed by some Jewish authorities to be closer to 100%]”
The Outline of History: H. G. Wells,
“It is highly probable that the bulk of the Jew’s ancestors ‘never’ lived in Palestine ‘at all,’ which witnesses the power of historical assertion over fact.”
Ancient Hebrews
Under the heading of “A brief History of the Terms for Jew” in the 1980 Jewish Almanac is the following: “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.” (1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3).
So there you have it - this Zionist crap is all a complete load of bollocks!
Well, you should read more recent material. Last time I checked my calander, it wasn't 1985. Based on recent DNA evidence, the Khazar theory was largly proven to be wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
"in the Arab world the Khazar theory still enjoys popularity among some anti-Zionists[24] and antisemites;[43] Such proponents argue that if Ashkenazi Jews are primarily Khazar and not Semitic in origin, they would have no historical claim to Israel."
"According to Benny Morris: Of course an anti-Zionist (as well as an anti-Semitic) point is being made here: The Palestinians have a greater political right to Palestine than the Jews do, as they, not the modern-day Jews, are the true descendants of the land's Jewish inhabitants/owners"
"Bernard Lewis stated in 1999:
This theory… is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics.[24]"
"A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[50] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[51]"
"A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17), the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow between the two groups. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[54]"
Hmmmm, Letto, so the researcher you quote is an Ashkenazic Jew huh? Do you mind telling us who funded that study and where it was done?
Nebel Name Meaning and History
German and Jewish (Ashkenazic): from German Nebel ‘fog’, ‘mist’, Middle High German nebel. This could be a nickname, or alternatively a habitational name from any of several places so named in Schleswig-Holstein and Bavaria. In some cases it may be a shortened form of the Germanic personal name Nibelunc, Nebelung.
Now, let's find out exactly who else did the research to determine if their might be a conflict of interest:
Y chromosome evidence for a founder effect in Ashkenazi Jews
Almut Nebel1,2,4, Dvora Filon2, Marina Faerman3, Himla Soodyall1 and Ariella Oppenheim2
1MRC/NHLS/Wits Human Genomic Diversity and Disease Research Unit, Division of Human Genetics, School of Pathology, National Health Laboratory Service and University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, South Africa
2Department of Hematology, Hebrew University – Hadassah Medical School and Hadassah University Hospital, Jerusalem, Israel
3Laboratory of Biological Anthropology and Ancient DNA, Hebrew University – Hadassah School of Dental Medicine, Jerusalem, Israel
Correspondence: Dr M Faerman, Department of Biological Anthropology and Ancient DNA, Faculty of Dental Medicine, Hebrew University, POB 12272, Jerusalem 91120, Israel. Tel: +972 2 6757608; Fax: +972 2 6757451; E-mail: marinaf@pob.huji.ac.il
4Current address: Institute for Clinical Molecular Biology – Christian-Albrechts-University Kiel, Germany
Received 8 January 2004; Revised 24 August 2004; Accepted 17 September 2004; Published online 3 November 2004.
http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/
v13/n3/full/5201319a.html
Three out of four of the lab facilities used in this study are based in Israel!
It is fair to say your study is biased. Depending on which markers you use, the Microcondrial DNA of Palestinians is 99 percent from mid-Eastern origin, not merely 90 percent as the tested Europeans pretending to be Israelites according to your own source (a detail you conveniently left out.)
It appears, to me at least, that the ancestral claim of recent Immigrant Europeans to Israel pretending to be the "chosen people" is invalid. The Palestinians are more Semitic than the AshkeNAZI (German) jews who are committing Genocide in Gaza.
As a taxpayer, I'm tired of paying for this charade.
TJ
Well, at least you, ThomasJefferson, agree that genetically, the European Jews are 90% semic, and not 100% Khazars (as Maximus Decimus falsely claim.)
Also, Ashkenazi Jews are only 38% of the Israelis. The rest are Middle Eastern Jews (Mizrachi) and 20% are non-Jews.
"Well, at least you, ThomasJefferson, agree that genetically, the European Jews are 90% semic, and not 100% Khazars (as Maximus Decimus falsely claim.)"
No, I do not agree with you Letto, This proves Ashkenazi Jews are more European than Mid-Eastern.
I'm not sure you understand mtDNA (Mitochondriall) genetics even a little bit. These do not change much over centuries and are passed through the mother with no change at all (except for mutation which is high and makes it easy to track). Most people in the USA of European descent are probably 90 percent identical mtDNA to Semites.
This is how you trace founders, since they do not change the ATP producing energy cells except on blue Moons. Being ten percent different means they are not related at all with those people in the middle East.
Don't you understand this? Ten percent off mtDNA difference means they haven't been interbreeding for tens of thousands of years with anybody in the Mid-East. Ergo, they are not Jews; they are Europeans.
TJ
Use in identification
In humans, mitochondrial DNA spans 16,569 DNA building blocks (base pairs),[16] representing a fraction of the total DNA in cells. Unlike nuclear DNA, which is inherited from both parents and in which genes are rearranged in the process of recombination, there is usually no change in mtDNA from parent to offspring. Although mtDNA also recombines, it does so with copies of itself within the same mitochondrion. Because of this and because the mutation rate of animal mtDNA is higher than that of nuclear DNA,[17] mtDNA is a powerful tool for tracking ancestry through females (matrilineage) and has been used in this role to track the ancestry of many species back hundreds of generations.
Human mtDNA can also be used to help identify individuals.[18] Forensic laboratories occasionally use mtDNA comparison to identify human remains, and especially to identify older unidentified skeletal remains. Although unlike nuclear DNA mtDNA is not specific to one individual, it can be used in combination with other evidence (anthropological evidence, circumstantial evidence, and the like) to establish identification. mtDNA is also used to exclude possible matches between missing persons and unidentified remains.[19] Many researchers believe that mtDNA is better suited to identification of older skeletal remains than nuclear DNA because the greater number of copies of mtDNA per cell increases the chance of obtaining a useful sample, and because a match with a living relative is possible even if numerous maternal generations separate the two. American outlaw Jesse James's remains were identified using a comparison between mtDNA extracted from his remains and the mtDNA of the son of the female-line great-granddaughter of his sister.[20] Similarly, the remains of Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix of Hesse), last Empress of Russia, and her children were identified by comparison of their mitochondrial DNA with that of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, whose maternal grandmother was Alexandra’s sister Victoria of Hesse.[21] Similarly to identify Emperor Nicholas II remains his mitochondrial DNA was compared with that of James Carnegie, 3rd Duke of Fife, whose maternal great-grandmother Alexandra of Denmark (Queen Alexandra) was sister of Nicholas II mother Dagmar of Denmark (Empress Maria Feodorovna). [22]
The low effective population size and rapid mutation rate (in animals) makes mtDNA useful for assessing genetic relationships of individuals or groups within a species and also for identifying and quantifying the phylogeny (evolutionary relationships; see phylogenetics) among different species, provided they are not too distantly related. To do this, biologists determine and then compare the mtDNA sequences from different individuals or species. Data from the comparisons is used to construct a network of relationships among the sequences, which provides an estimate of the relationships among the individuals or species from which the mtDNAs were taken. This approach has limits that are imposed by the rate of mtDNA sequence change. In animals, the rapid rate of change makes mtDNA most useful for comparisons of individuals within species and for comparisons of species that are closely or moderately-closely related, among which the number of sequence differences can be easily counted. As the species become more distantly related, the number of sequence differences becomes very large; changes begin to accumulate on changes until an accurate count becomes impossible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA
I mean, this is my understanding having taken Physical Anthropology with an A grade in 2009. If a geneticist wants to jump in here and correct anything I've said, I welcome any corrections.
TJ
Friends currently with the EU program in Jerusalem have been telling me for some time that the IDF have been provoking young Palestinians into another intifada so they can then justify all their savage behavior.
The acts of these barbarous few will doubtless have repercussions for world Jewry which Sayans like lotto either encourage or discount.
It's very simple what goes around comes around and what's coming around is the tipping point of world opinion.
"israel"= us vs. them, that is, us vs. the other...
but there is no other....!
"ask not for whom the bell tolls,
it tolls for thee..."
Apologists' tactics in regards to the US/Israel policy of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians:
1 – Attack the messenger (CD poster or whoever criticizes the US/Israel's ethnic cleansing)
2 – If the critic is a Jew, call the Jew anti-semetic or a self-hating Jew
3 – Make it sound like Israel is the victim although Israel is the aggressor and occupier
4 – Point to other injustices in the world to deflect attention of Israel's illegal acts.
5 – State that Jews and Palestinians have a long history of conflict therefore the situation is unresolvable (ignoring Israel's illegal occupation) in order to maintain status quo and further Israel's expansion of illegal settlements
6 – Claim Israel has biblical rights to Palestinian land (thus God supports the ethnic cleansing)
7 – Claim the occupied territory was either no man's land or another countries land to justify Israel's illegal confiscation of the land and the people on it.
8 – Defend the occupation and ethnic cleansing without mentioning the illegal acts: land confiscation, house demolitions and evictions, burning and razing of Palestinian farmland, illegal land annexations, specific apartheid policies in the West Bank, shooting and arrests of non-violent demonstrators on occupied land, restriction of movement, land and sea blockade, restrictions of imports of medicine, food, school supplies and building materials, illegal shooting of Gazan farmers and fishermen...
9 – Make so illegitimate arguments or use inaccurate/misleading facts to justify Israel's illegal occupation and ethnic cleansing policy that it is impossible to respond to them all because every time you try, another illegitimate argument is made. (The Bush administration was a master of this in the buildup to the Iraq war. It seemed every week, another piece of unsupported evidence was made to support attacking Iraq. And every time you challenged one illegitimate argument, the arguer (usually a Fox News viewer) would abandon that argument and jump to the next illegitimate argument and this would continue to the point of exhaustion.)
10 – Switch between tactics 1-9 above in your non-stop argument whenever one of the tactics runs out of steam.
11 – In regards to blogging, create discussion fights and go off topic.
12 – In regards to blogging, apologist is either ignorant or feigns ignorance and attempts to attack the credibility of the comment by asking for a link to the source (effort to waste time of blogger when information is readily available on the internet and the apologist doesn't provide support for his own misinformation). If you don't respond, e.g., because you don't monitor the site all day, apologist discounts your argument, and if you respond, the apologist changes the subject, makes a new attack, or ignores the response.
Apologists use tools such as Megaphone Desktop (www.giyus.org) to alert themselves when articles about Israel's destructive policies appear on the internet so they can use tactics like the above to try and win public opinion.
I know that most people are brainwashed but still, the lack of outrage from Americans amazes me. As tax payers, we are directly supporting a racist and savage government guilty of countless war crimes (other than our own) with millions of dollars every day WHILE cuts are being made to our own domestic budget.
Things might calm down a bit if we (the U.S.) began to cut back on our aid to Israel beginning with arms and armaments.
Criminally insane behavior, which includes attacking children, is seemingly so naturalized in Israel (I keep seeing polls saying that large majority of Jewish Israelis support the criminal activities of their government) that it becomes plausible to think of virtually an entire population that is given over to criminally insane behavior.
We have experience understanding criminally insane behavior in individuals, now it seems that we need to gain some experience dealing with criminally insane countries.
The US is not in the greatest shape in this regard either. Over many decades of working as a pediatrician in juvenile corrections I observed things similar to what is described in this article, and worse, inflicted on poor children in Southern California. I have plenty of evidence that horrendous, systematic child abuse is being perpetrated in other jurisdictions in the US against subjugated portions of the child population. The US, along with Israel, is known for ignoring the rights of children if they are from racially, ethnically and/or economically discriminated populations. Observe the treatment meted out to the incarcerated children of people deemed to be illegal aliens. Many are just left to die in the deserts of the South West and people wishing to go to their aid are criminalized for doing so.
Maybe the tendency to hate other peoples children and use armed force against them is part of the illogical glue that binds the US to Israel.
herb
In the light of what has been happening in the occupied territories, one could reinterpret history altogether.
Simply turn it on its head.
For instance, the red coats could claim god given rights on north america and call the blue coats terrorists for resisting occupation using violence. Washington would be like
Arafat and Cornwallis would be Netanyahoo. The red coats could proclaim how humanitarian they were by emancipating slaves while the blues were still enslaving humans.
The reds wanted taxes so they could govern the occupied territories, which the blues were denying them the right to.
After all, the loyalists in Canada did pretty good under the red coats. The American war of independence, as it is called,
where a bunch of old rich white guys (Washington, Jefferson) faced off the British monarchy, is considered a historic struggle against British occupation. While the struggle of poor Palestinians against a brutal occupation is condemned as terrorism. Where is the balance here.
What a relief to find someone else that thinks this way. Insurgent: a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government (MW). Washington was an insurgent. They all were. Independence from Britain (such as it is) was retained but the actual revolution ended with the failure of Shay in 1787. But people who do not read Zinn or Philips are not likely to know anything about the rebellion part, but it was real, idealist, enlightenment bravery. I sometimes ask the puffer fish masquerading as rightist what they think of Common Sense or the Rights of Man. I am easily entertained I guess.
herb
The Israelis are pigs who are doing everything they can to cause the spread of anti-semitism. Only their savage "god" of the Old Testament knows why.