Ice Does Not Compromise:

Actually, Ice compromises with my Scotch very nicely every evening after work.

Each new report shows greater acceleration than previously expected. Feedback loops on top of feedback loops increase the changing of the climate exponentially. I fear we are past the tipping point.

Another alarming report from cautious and responsible professionals.

Which will be dismissed and scoffed at by thousands of deniers on the basis of some English emails and wishful thinking.

Good luck.

EVA MORALES ---- TODAY

AMY GOODMAN
You spoke yesterday here at the Bella Center and said we cannot end global warming without ending capitalism. What did you mean?

PRESIDENT EVO MORALES
Capitalism is the worst enemy of humanity. Capitalism—and I’m speaking about irrational development—policies of unlimited industrialization are what destroys the environment. And that irrational industrialization is capitalism. So as long as we don’t review or revise those policies, it’s impossible to attend to humanity and life.

AMY GOODMAN
How would you do that? How would you end capitalism?

PRESIDENT EVO MORALES
It’s changing economic policies, ending luxury, consumerism. It’s ending the struggle to—or this searching for living better. Living better is to exploit human beings. It’s plundering natural resources. It’s egoism and individualism.

Therefore, in those promises of capitalism, there is no solidarity or complementarity. There’s no reciprocity. So that’s why we’re trying to think about other ways of living lives and living well, not living better. Not living better. Living better is always at someone else’s expense. Living better is at the expense of destroying the environment.

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/12/17/bolivian_president_evo_morales_on_climate

Stewart Brand proposed an interesting solution: Raise or lower carbon taxes depending on the numerical rate of melting or formation of summer ice at the poles.

mujeriego (does that mean 'girl-bat' ? I tip my Laphroaig to you.

Bailing out Dubai World is pointless. It is going under the waves and the Great Shroud of the Sea will roll over it.

[A one-metre rise in sea level would immediately affect 145 million people around the world.]

The thing the article didn't mention about a one metre rise in sea level would be that every port on earth would have to be rebuilt should such a thing happen. For some time, until the ports are rebuilt, there wouldn't be any deliveries of manufactured goods from any country to any other country. Supplies of grain, if it could still be grown, would not be able to be shipped from where it is, to where it's needed. Supplies of oil would not travel from one region to another, and need to be seriously rationed, if available at all.

The only good news about this is that it couldn't possibly flood all the lands of the earth. There's just not enough water on the planet for that to happen. (nor was there ever enough water on the planet for that to happen, but don't tell the fundies that...)

I doubt that the idiots in charge of this planetary asylum are going to do anything to prevent this report from happening. I am very happy that I never had children...

Well, when we build floating platforms to survive, we'll be collecting rainwater and growing crops under protective auto-sunscreened glass (like those cool glasses people wear that turn into shades when you walk outside!).

What will the planet need to survive? Oh yeah - worms! They poop out the stuff that food needs to grow.

It's the opportunity of a lifetime - check out communitymachine.com to see what I mean.

The "two degree" number is a long way off.

First and foremost, no country wants to get past discussing the shape of the bargaining table. It's all about getting the other guy to give a little more.

Second, we're looking at a runaway global methane release. The numbers have been nothing if not up. Call it what it is. Please speculate on the high end for once. What can happen if exponential trends continue? "Science" is no excuse for scientific cowardice.

If you want to watch your house and town flood out, or if you want to laugh at everyone else because you live in Montana, here's a flooding simulator.

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=847094&site_id=1#import

It certainly sounds real. Teach your children (whatever they aren't getting from school which could be a lot) and prepare for change. Humans are very adaptable and innovative. Politicians are going to run (and talk) in circles whether we're watching them or not. At least part of our attention might well be devoted now to what we can accomplish without them.

We left the tipping point behind many years ago when the US MILITARY blew up the atom and hydrogen bombs, nearly 1100 of them , in the atmosphere of this formerly lush planet.
The war and the army has caused this.
Just like they caused the hole blown in the ozone by the hydrogen bomb at bikini atoll, They blamed you and me for that one! We were using too much shave cream w/ cfc propellents!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA H AH !!!
But hey don't worry-Be happy!
any one here who remains intellectually honest will get this next sentence!!!
Keep your powder and your garden seeds dry and your boots on!
If we are really lucky perhaps some distant relatives of yours or mine in the future will be neo-primitives living somehow in Antarctica-which may be the only habitabl non-desert left!
Oh goody for capitalism!!!!
Obomba Chump Change we can bolster denial with! Oh goody!!

Two-degrees above what?

Yeesh, they do this all the time. Above what?

2000-09 was the hottest decade on record. So, 2 degrees above that? Or the decade before? Or some average I can't seem to find anywhere - except for the ones I can, all of which are many more than 2 degrees cooler than 2000-09.

Give us a hard number! If we hit 98, do we all explode? Or will we drown first if we hit 84?

Its this kind of vagueness the lunatic deniers attack with full frothing vigor...

I've always thought that there was a much more deadly tipping point out there that might be reached, and spark change incredibly fast, on the order of a few years, not a 100.

At the beginning of the current inter-glacial cycle, when the glaciers were retreating north into Canada, the fresh water introduced into the north atlantic caused a reversal of the warming within just a few years period (i think 3 years). it didn't take much to reverse that massive retreat. eventually, an equilibrium was reached.

but who's to say a trigger couldn't cause a massive shift in 5 years. I don't think climatologists know the answer to that question with absolute certainty, indeed i am sure they don't.

Well, I think global warming is real. BUT, why in the heck is December so d_ _ n cold here in Northern Virginia. The temperature is way below normal. I have had to feed more hay to my horses than is normal due to early onset of cold weather. It's more like January. Maybe the "weathermiesters" are at it again. Playing their HAARP.

Yes, it's bitterly cold in England too.
We should keep what little money we have left after the bankers and politicians have fleeced us, and use it to insulate and take our own measures to cut our energy usage. If they tax us even more (dare they) and give our remaining cash to Africa, it will only mean more Mercedes there, and less insulation and downsizing here. We need money to restructure ourselves and, what's more, it doesn't get as cold in Africa as it does here!
Might Mugabe be interested in paying my gas bill I wonder?

Jon - Student"

Global Warming speaks to the issue of increasing AVERAGE Temperatures of the Earth. Some places are actually experiencing cooling while others, such as the Arctic, are experiencing much more warming than the average. From PewClimate.org:

Thanks for your input, Jon. Yes, some places are cooler. I know there have been not too many "normal" seasons here. The past 2 Springs into early Summer, anyway, were cold and wet.

And as for you Hansjerk, I am not a troll nor a conspiracy "nut", thank you very much.

Find and study, "The Great Iceage", by Drury, Chapman, etal. A 12 yr old text, extensively doc'd, telling us, among other things, that 4/5 of the icesheet melted off Greenland before the defeat/reversal of the Eemian CO2/Temp spike 110ky ago....but that interglacial probably wasn't juiced by the burning of drilled/dug oil, gas and coal.

I grew up along the Chesapeake Bay in the 1950s and learned early on from direct observation and questions I asked older generations that the great estuary was being destroyed by human activity, especially uncontrolled industrial exploitation.

From that very local frame of reference, I'd title this article "Chesapeake's Revenge - A Damn Good Flush".

As usual, the poor & innocent will suffer the brunt.

We simply cannot depend on the "world leaders" to reduce consumption.

We have the power to cumulatively reduce consumption to reduce the supply we demand.

Are we holding on to our defensiveness about change or are we recognizing that meat-eating is denigrating our land, water and air?

Can we be environmentalists and still be meat-eaters?

Recent UN and Pew Commission studies show that farmed animals contribute more to climate change than all transport combined.

98% of soy crops and 756 million tons of grain and corn per year are fed to farmed animals.

441 gallons of water are used to produce 1 1b. of beef per the Cattlemen's Association. Experts say it is closer to 2500.

Are we progressive only when it means we don't have to change?