Bagram, Worse Than Guantanamo?
NEW YORK - While millions know that the administration of George W. Bush has left Barack Obama with the job of closing the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, relatively few are aware that the new president will also face a similar but far larger dilemma 7,000 miles away.
That dilemma is what to do with what has become known as "the other GITMO" -- the U.S.-controlled military prison at Bagram Air Base near Kabul in Afghanistan -- and the estimated 600-700 detainees now held there.
The "other GITMO" was set up by the U.S. military as a temporary screening site after the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan overthrew the Taliban. It currently houses more than three times as many prisoners as are still held at Guantanamo.
In 2005, following well-documented accounts of detainee deaths, torture and "disappeared" prisoners, the U.S. undertook efforts to turn the facility over to the Afghan government. But due to a series of legal, bureaucratic and administrative missteps, the prison is still under U.S. military control. And a recent confidential report from the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has reportedly complained about the continued mistreatment of prisoners.
The ICRC report is said to cite massive overcrowding, "harsh" conditions, lack of clarity about the legal basis for detention, prisoners held "incommunicado" in "a previously undisclosed warren of isolation cells" and "sometimes subjected to cruel treatment in violation of the Geneva Conventions". Some prisoners have been held without charges or lawyers for more than five years. The Red Cross said that dozens of prisoners have been held incommunicado for weeks or even months, hidden from prison inspectors. According to Hina Shamsi of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), "Bagram appears to be just as bad as, if not worse than, Guantanamo. When a prisoner is in American custody and under American control, our values are at stake and our commitment to the rule of law is tested."
She told IPS, "The abuses cited by the Red Cross give us cause for concern that we may be failing the test. The Bush administration is not content to limit its regime of illegal detention to Guantanamo, and has tried to foist it on Afghanistan."
She added: "Both Congress and the executive branch need to investigate what's happening at Bagram if we are to avoid a tragic repetition of history."
But most observers believe the solution is more likely to come in the courts and to be inextricably linked to recent judicial decisions affecting prisoners at Guantanamo.
Last June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that foreign nationals held as terrorism suspects by the U.S. military at Guantanamo have a constitutional right to challenge their captivity in U.S. courts in Washington. Last week, a federal judge began exploring whether this landmark decision also applies to Bagram.
Like Guantanamo, Bagram was set up as a facility where battlefield captives could be held for the duration of the "war on terrorism" under full military control in an overseas site beyond the reach of U.S. courts.
The Supreme Court has repeatedly thwarted the campaign to insulate Guantanamo from the courts' review. But the Justice argument is that none of those rulings has any application to Bagram, and that the federal judge should dismiss the legal challenges by Bagram detainees by finding that U.S. courts have no jurisdiction over them.
But lawyers for four Bagram prisoners who have been held in detention since at least 2003 contend that recent Supreme Court Guantanamo decisions also apply to Afghanistan. They are also arguing that another Supreme Court decision -- Munaf v. Geren -- extended habeas rights to a U.S. military facility in Baghdad.
Barbara Olshansky of the Stanford Law School represents three of the four men who brought the court action. She said "there is no more complete analogy or mirror to Guantanamo than this (case)."
While U.S. District Judge John D. Bates has not ruled on the government's motion to dismiss the four Bagram cases, he said during the court hearing, "These individuals are no different than those detained at Guantanamo except where they're housed."
In its motion to dismiss the cases, the Justice Department argued that Bagram is so much a part of ongoing military operations that there simply is no role for U.S. courts to play. "To provide alien enemy combatants detained in a theater of war the privilege of access to our civil courts is unthinkable both legally and practically," the government's brief claimed.
The government claims the U.S. does not have nearly the control over the Bagram Airfield as it does over Guantanamo Bay, and thus the reasoning of the Supreme Court in extending habeas rights to Guantanamo should not apply to Bagram.
It also noted that Bagram is in the midst of a war zone; Guantanamo is not. It asserted that civilian court review of Bagram detentions would actually compromise the military mission in Afghanistan.
The Munaf decision also has no application to Bagram, the government's motion contended, because that involved U.S. citizens, not foreign nationals.
Lawyers for the Bagram detainees noted that some of them have been held for more than six years, so any argument the Justice Department might have made against habeas rights abroad has now lost its force "after so much time has passed."
They say the issue "is whether the Executive can create a modern-day Star Chamber, where it can label an individual an 'enemy combatant' or 'unlawful enemy combatant,' deny him any meaningful ability to challenge that label, and on that basis, detain him indefinitely, virtually incommunicado, subject to interrogation and torture, without any right of redress."
Bagram, their brief contended, "is not a temporary holding camp, intended to house enemy soldiers apprehended on the battlefield, for the duration of a declared war, finite in time and space." It said the "war on terror" as conceived by the government is "unlimited in duration and global in scope".
It also noted that, unlike Guantanamo, Bagram is a permanent prison. Thousands of individuals from all over the world have been taken to the airfield prison, and nearly 700 remain there now, and it is being expanded with a new prison to hold more than 11,000.
Moreover, they argued, Bagram detainees do not even have the minimal procedural guarantees to have their captivity reviewed that Guantanamo prisoners have in the so-called "Combatant Status Review Tribunals." The military does not operate CSRTs as Bagram.
Lawyers for the four men -- two Yemeni, one Tunisian and one Afghan -- said none was captured while in battle or otherwise directly aiding terrorist groups.
The Justice Department argued that releasing alleged enemy combatants into the Afghan war zone, or even diverting U.S. personnel there to consider their legal cases, could threaten security.
"What evidence is there to believe they would return to the battlefield?" Judge Bates asked Deputy Assistant Attorney General John O'Quinn. "They were not on the battlefield to begin with."
While there is no timetable for a court ruling, it is clear that it will not come during the waning days of the Bush administration. Like the issue of how to close Guantanamo, the Bagram issue will be left to the new presidency of Barack Obama to solve.
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Show AllLiving in a town with a large military base, I still hear people occasionally talking about pride in the military. I tell them that there's a distinction between pride and arrogance that they need to make. Pride is repeatedly condemned by the Bible and Christianity, arrogance is condemned by the rest of humanity.
There aren't a few bad apples in the barrel. It's the barrel that is rotten. Any "good apples" that may be left, get out before you rot. You will be known by the company you keep, and your morals will be corrupted.
Ray Berthiaume
Well put. The MSM has succeeded in canonizing the military.
In ways I can understand why Obama isn't to interested in charging George Bush with War Crimes. It would distract from the more urgent problems here at home. The country is a shambles after just 8 years of this idiot. It's going to take every bit of energy we can muster to pull ourselves out of the economic mess Bush has made. If it doesn't take us decades to do it. But, in other ways I do think it's a mistake not to try him for War Crimes. Or at least hand him over to the Hague and allow them to try him and his regime for the crimes they have committed. I firmly believe now it was a mistake not to try Richard Nixon. To just let him resign and go free. It sends a terrible message to future Presidents who might not be the most moral and upright.
tumblewind,
I'm glad you can see where Obama is coming from.
But if we send a US president to the Hague, then you can bet, that every past and future president will be sent heading there as well. With don't want to surrender our sovereignty to foreign powers.
The rebuke of Bush will come in the form of Obama's popularity. The best way to undo the transgressions of the past is to focus on our future prosperity. If Nixon had been tried for war crimes, nothing would have been different. We still would have gotten Bush. It reminds me of one of the strongest arguments against the death penalty, which is that for some criminals, no deterrent is harsh enough to stop them from committing crimes.
Cass Sunstein explains Obama's reasoning here:
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/22/obama_adviser_cass_sunstein_debates_glenn
This is just one more mess Bush is leaving Obama. It will take time to undo the all the damage done by years of Republican rule. So let's be realistic, some things might have to wait till his second term. But Obama has been clear and consistent that "the United states doesn't torture"!
.Is it 'christian' of us to continue to torture until Obama's "second term". Perhaps it is OK to let our children continue to die in Iraq until then as well? Foreclosures, it can wait, ruined pensions, let 'em wait. Closing Guantanemo? What the heck, its "complicated" so lets keep them prisoners despite the fact that we do not know guilt or innocence, they have no recourse to courts, what the heck, let them wait too.
Whats a few more years after all?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
ardee,
I think you need to examine Christian "Just War Theory",
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_War
Is it "Christian" to let a million people die because you refuse to torture a single person who would give you the information you need to save the others?
Think about it. Take some time. Pray on it.
It's not the use of power, it's the abuse of power, that is the problem.
This underscores my concern about Obama's judgment and the ethical standards to which his administration will be committed in view of his retention of Gates as Secretary of Defense. The Texan Torquemada has discredited himself, disgraced our nation and committed crimes. Obama's de facto pardon of Bush Administration war criminals notwithstanding, Gates should be dismissed.
Alex
Bagram is the prison that was exposed in the Oscar-winning documentary "Taxi to the Dark Side." It was a hell hole then--U.S. troops were prosecuted for torturing a taxi driver until he died. Turned out he was guilty of nothing. The harshest sentence I think was four months.
Paul Siemering
OK shut Bagram too. But gitmo and Bagram and a couple others in iraq - these last housing around 20,000 more between them- all this is part of the Greater Gulag. the new president could have somebody running around looking for these right now. Beside not knowing anything about the number of secret prisons we also do not know what kind of torture they are using. I say this because i have never heard of, or seen, anyone "detained" who was not immediately blindfolded and shackled. we can be very sure that the extraordinarily renditioned victims were tortured, because that's what they were sent for.
guy called clive stafford smith is working hard on this stuff, and has a website called reprieve but last time i looked it had not been updated for too long. i'd recommend googling him by name, see if you can find his interview on Democracy Now!
that was where he yold Amy gitmo only has 1(one) percent of our prisoners. however based on what i've managed to learn since,
that would put the total at around 30,000, and it's gotta be at least twice that.
oh yeah- mr. smith ran around for a while taking pictures of prison ships. and had found 27 of these so far
There are an untold number of CIA black sites like guantanamo around the world, even aircraft carriers with military brigs that act like a floating archipelago of gitmos...
The CIA uses the same planes for extraordinary rendition, gun running, heroin & coke smuggling, and trafficking in sex slaves...
One of their CIA planes crashed in Mexico last year, which created a shitstorm of controversy...
The armed forces are part of the Executive Branch. If the Judicial Branch is equal to the Executive Branch, it has jurisdiction wherever the armed forces or CIA go.
Bagram worse than Gitmo? Yes.
Next question-- When it comes to the Middle East, Obama better than Bush?
(please leave your answers in the transom by my cell....)
Dr Wu, the last of the big-time thinkers
Deepa
US continues to torture and "outsource" torture of innocent women, children and men, unless it adheres to Geneva Conventions and International Laws. The fundamental law that the US and its allies have been violating consistently is the universal law of human dignity and rights. Americans could torture innocent people around the world with the support of majority of its public, because they believe that their "victims" are "less human". One of the torture techniques that is being taught to the American soldiers is to treat their "enemies" as animals.
Another known US prison (because the world does not know many of the US secret prisons) where torture techniques are still being used similar to that of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay is Al Asad Airfield in Iraq. According to Tony Lagouranis, a specialist in a military intelligence battalion, who interrogated prisoners at Abu Ghraib, Al Asad Airfield and other places in Iraq from January through December of 2004, coercive techniques, including the use of dogs, waterboarding and prolonged stress positions, were employed on the detainees. The prisoners held at Al Asad Airfield, about 110 miles northwest of Baghdad, were shackled and hung from an upright bed frame welded to the wall in a room in an airplane hanger. Lagouranis confessed, "I started realizing that most of the prisoners were innocent…We were torturing people for no reason."
One of the solutions for the American cruelty is: American educational institutions (ofcourse, at American homes too) should start teaching some basic human values such as respecting human dignity and rights of fellow human beings. This is what is lacking in the "civilized" countries.
When Obama "closes" gitmo, this is where he's going to send everyone. Closing Gitmo doesn't mean ending ANYTHING, like Obama himself it's just a new face on the same old same old.
"...it is being expanded with a new prison to hold more than 11,000."
Just how many actual terrorists are there in the world? (never mind the part of just declaring someone a terrorist, just because the president says so...) I seriously doubt there are that many extremely radicalized people, enough so that they would actually, indeed commit a REAL terrorist act. If this becomes legalized, we will have re-entered the Dark Ages.
What about all the secret prisons all over the world? There's probably some small island where rummy is torturing right now. Does anyone know whatever happened to rummy? Don't every hear or see of him.
A Simple Solution.
Detainees have been held overseas to thwart justice and oversight and facilitate torture and following no Laws. Bring every detainee TO THE U.S., treat them right, and adjudicate their cases. Arraign them, present evidence, convict them fairly or free them. But get them to the U.S., and OUT of the medieval torture holes they are in now, today, yesterday.
Then call in air-strikes on Bagram et al. azjoe.
Thanks for the Simple Solution. Why not clear out part of one of our many many prisons, put the inmates there, assign someone to bring charges, organize public trials, or release those for whom there is insufficient evidence? There is probably no classified information of any current value involved in these years old cases, so a normal jury of US citizens could be used. Those released could get a choice of where to go and air fare to get them there.
All of our secret sites should be cleared out in the same way and people there subject to our system of laws. After all, we arrested them, supposedly, because they were a threat to our way of life. If we don't think our jury system is good enough, then we should change it over time. Meanwhile, it is the best we have.
(I had thought of that obvious solution and then dismissed it from my mind because nobody else said it, so I thought I was missing something.)
Joe
.Sounds right to me!
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Hi ardee, well, another week....then the fire-works start. It will be interesting.
just poet
So if Bush/Cheney have legitimized the naming of anyone they care to, for no other reason but "BECAUSE THEY SAID SO!", an enemy combatant or "unlawful" enemy combatant, indefinitely, without charges or chance for legal redress or even counsel, do not Obama/Biden have the ability to name Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. as enemy comabatants and grant them the same courtesies (or lack thereof) that they have bestowed upon the hundreds and more at Guantanamo, Bagram and more, the only difference perhaps being that Bush Cheney and gang are definitively unlawful, enemies in the eyes of not a small number of Americans, and even with full knowledge of their charges and the best legal help they can afford, are easily convictable of a long list of war crimes and other destructive constitutional disgraces? Indeed a trial for these thugs would be deliciously informative and entertain as well as account for terrible wrongs in order that they may not occur in a repetitive patter, as is inevitable with offenses that are not addressed and amended.
Of course Obama is apparently coercive to the same governmental machine that allowed Bush/Cheney to get away with torture and murder, so it will likely never happen, but who could imagine a more poetic justice to come out of the diastrous reign their criminal enterprise?
I'm allowed my fantasies, aren't I?
"I'm allowed my fantasies, aren't I?"
I'm not entirely sure that you are. What I mean to say is this: Much of the Bush/Cheney policy was centered on a kind of psychological behaviorism...essentially you will be rewarded if you do/say/think? as we "direct." Many appointments were handled with this approach. This concept was even tested Pavlovian-like with technology on people unaware they were being targeted.
When our President has on his desk a "scorecard" whereby he "Xed" out the faces of people he eliminated...what makes you think, or how do you even know, this was limited to only terrorists with arab-sounding names? (Why not go after radio talk show hosts?)
Old scores were being settled...but this involves more executives than merely our chief executive...and I think Mr. Obama will tread carefully here. JFK, God rest his soul, learned this the hard way.
As Pastor Martin Niemöller put it:
In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up.
The prison at Bagram is well known to those of us who look beyond the corporate-owned media for our news. It's also no surprise that Bagram and other prisons that are in Eastern Europe are notorious for torturing prisoners.
What is surprising, however, is the US government's skill at twisting logic into such a pretzel that the atrocities carried out in our name are somehow justified.
I hate what my country has become.
Whatever your country has become, when you speak out against what your country has become, your voice is but one but it breaks your silence.
Your voice against what your country has become is the breaking of your silence and a statement that your country does not have your consent to be that which you are not willing to participate in.
You may have a 'small audience' but your message will never 'fall on deaf ears' and eventually with enough voices the audience will also increase and and you will be as a choir.
And the world will listen.
nurembergrevisited@gmail,com
How many unspeakable Black Holes, Gaza Class, has Darth Cheney created?