Consumers Rank Climate Concerns Ahead of Economy
Consumers around the world want governments to stop haggling and start acting on climate change, survey finds • Nearly half of all 12,000 respondents in 12 countries chose climate change ahead of the economy
Consumers around the world want governments to stop haggling and start acting on climate change, according to a survey carried out in 12 countries by a coalition of climate groups.
Despite
the looming prospect of a deep global recession, 43% of the 12,000
respondents of the survey chose climate change ahead of the global
economy when asked about their current concerns. Worldwide, 77% of
respondents wanted to see their governments cutting carbon by their
fair share or more, in order to allow developing countries to grow
their economies.
The survey was carried out for the HSBC Climate Partnership, a collaboration between the international bank and climate NGOs including WWF, the Climate Group, Earthwatch Institute and the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute.
Lord Stern, and adviser to HSBC on economic development and climate change and former adviser to the UK government, said: "This research demonstrates the need for decisive action on climate change. The urgent challenge is to build a framework for a global deal so that consensus can be reached in Copenhagen next year and the discussions in Poznan are a critical stepping stone to achieving this. Now is the time to lay the foundations of a new form of growth that can transform our economies and societies."
The results of the group's climate confidence monitor are based on an internet questionnaire presented to to 1,000 people each in 12 countries: Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, Hong Kong, India, Malaysia, Mexico, UK and the US. The survey was conducted between mid-September and early October 2008.
Even in many emerging countries, people said their governments must reduce greenhouse gases - 62% of respondents in China said they should reduce emissions and only 4% said the country's emissions should be allowed to increase. In Mexico and Brazil, more than 80% wanted emissions cuts that tallied with their fair share of global targets - as high a level as in developed countries. In the USA, 72% of people said their country should reduce emissions by at least as much as other countries.
David Nussbaum, the chief executive of WWF-UK, said: "The current global economic crisis is a stark reminder of the consequences of living beyond our means. As the world looks to restore its economies we must build in long-term environmental as well as economic sustainability."
Steve Howard, chief executive of the Climate Group, a coalition of businesses and governments aimed at moving towards a low-carbon economy, said the survey showed that "politicians have the political will of the people behind them to come to an agreement on climate change. Politicians now have the support they need to seize this historic opportunity and secure a global deal on climate change."

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Show AllIn the 1850's newly rich steamship passengers going from California, around the Horn, back to the Northeast, sometimes encountered hurricanes off the coast of the Carolinas.
If the boat sank quickly, with little or no warning, it was common for people to hold onto their gold, even at the cost of their lives.
One ship in particular however, battled a storm for three days, in constant danger of imminent sinking. These passengers, with time to think about priorities, threw away their gold or tried to give it away.
By the time people get it through their heads that their planet is dying, and that their money will be worthless no matter what they do, it will be too late.
I'll bet GM has the newest gas guzzler on the drawing board right now.
"By the time people get it through their heads that their planet is dying, and that their money will be worthless no matter what they do, it will be too late."
Yeah, but see, this is part of the problem, and a big part to boot.
Witness how many posts there are in the threads here on CD that concern politics and political disasters which people have very little control over vs. the threads where people are actually taking some power and initiative into their own hands. The threads concerning inner city gardens and individual actions attract very little interest from progressives while the ones where we have the least direct control get the biggest hits and posts.
Progressives seem to love to be victims. Why? There are millions of small examples of individuals making a difference and changing our landscape and we don't give them a notice.
It is NOT too late! It is NEVER too late! Except...for when we surrender and say it is too late. Let's stop being surrender monkeys, progressives!
"I'll bet GM has the newest gas guzzler on the drawing board right now."
STF what?! Ignore GM and their products and they will go away. We each have complete control of what we buy and what we don't buy - let's exercise it!
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
The mentality of corporations is both funny and tragic. I heard one GM executive complaining: "The consumer bears some responsibility for our problems" In other words, we have an obligation to buy GM products whether we like them or not. I enjoyed that one.
Yeah, well...what do you expect from a junkie who is hooked on mainlining corporate effluent. S/he doesn't realize that some of us have quit the habit.
And even if it were true - I celebrate it! GM has done its share of harm, and as a wise man once said: The chickens are coming home to roost.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
snydly----once again, from the soapbox:
Sometimes it's helpful to make a few observations and see where they take us. The following may seem too simple, or over the top, but consider:
The IPCC ice core data charts, and the same as seen in Gore's Book printed, so it can be studied, show us that there have been about 6 ice age cycles in the last 650ky. We are on the up-swing of a temp/CO2 spike now, with GHGs now well out of historical norms. This begs the questions---
What weather phenomenon has defeated and reversed the previous spikes, yet not drastically lowered the mean planetary temp? ---
What is the trigger? temp, CO2, other? Obviously, the reversals occurred before the ice caps melted appreciably, otherwise there would be no data to harvest...Is, then, the reversal of our spike immanent, or even, overdue (tipping point)?---
When does the ice of an ice age build up? All at once or gradually, as the temp/CO2 decreases? ---How is the atmosphere supplied with the moisture and energy necessary to transfer so much water to the poles as snow and ice?
---What role does methane play as it is released from tundra and the oceans? ---Was there massive methane release during the previous cycles? Or did the reversals act to put the methane back to sleep, so to speak, before it could compound the greenhouse effect? ---
There were humans present during the previous cycles, how and where did they survive the reversals? ---
What can the paleo-geologic record found in the magnetic striping of the mid-Atlantic ridge tell us about tectonic plate movement and possible, or sudden, volcanic warming of the oceans? –
-Is it possible that the mass of melt water transferred to the equatorial bulge would be sufficient to change the angular momentum of the earth enough to tweak the plates into movement? ---Does USGS data show increased activity along plate boundaries that might be a "forcing of the forcings" related to shifting water mass or rising landmass?
The answers to these questions are not hard to compute. The answers dictate the type and intensity of response that is called for. The answers have probably been known for some time, by some people who have the connections and means to respond. The answers demand a change to the status quo, a change from "growth and consumption" to sustainability and survival. Look at the tops of the spikes and decide if we have any more time to dally around with any energy sources that add heat or GHGs to the ecosphere. Coal and oil are out. Nukes and geo-thermal are out. NG, too, even though it's cleaner. The grid has to change. Wealth has to be used in different ways. It's a different game, and we're all in the same boat.
We can have just as much fun surviving with wind and sun, as with burning and consuming---let's do it!
Additionally, redundantly:
Subjectively, one of the main characteristics of a spike is that everything is relatively normal, until it isn't. We are getting lots of clues now.
The emerging scenario seems to be: rising temp melts land-borne ice along with sea ice. Fresh water disrupts the thermo-halyene circulation of the gulf stream and if we're lucky, that's as far as it goes--an ice age cycle of normal proportions is initiated and technologically enabled civilization is disturbed, but maybe not destroyed.
If ice melts at such a rate as to enhance the above, another scenario might unfold: Land-borne ice melt flows to the equatorial bulge (the planet is not a perfect sphere-it bulges at the equator because of centrifugal force) thus changing the mass distribution and angular momentum of the earth and putting enough pressure on the tectonic plates to start a geotectonic event that would activate the ring of fire and the mid-Atlantic ridge. The resulting undersea volcanism, (not to mention the earthquakes, and worst case, the popping of the Yellowstone magma dome,) would flash heat the oceans. That seems to be the hidden key to how and when an ice age starts, and how it gets the moisture and enough energy to move that much water back to the polar latitudes, forming the glaciers, part of which slide on down around Cincinnati, melt and recede over the next 110,000 years.
Apparently planetary methane has been sequestered for a very long time--dinosaur time. It would be very bad for us to loose enough heat into the mix to stir up the methane. The previous ice age cycle/reversals evidently have occurred soon enough to keep the methane down under frozen tundra and cooled ocean water. An additional factor related to tectonics gleaned from USGS info is that land masses such as Greenland, relieved of the weight of the ice, tend to rise, actually float higher on the magma. National Geog had an article on the mechanics of the melting that is shaping up on Greenland---flows of melt water form surface streams which drop through the thousands of feet of ice to the land surface, creating a layer of slush under incredible pressure. The next dot in that progression is: earth tremor, separation and departure of a largish section of that ice cap which, worse case, might produce a tsunami out into the Atlantic. Or worst case, a chain reaction of tsunamis as some of the crumbling islands in the east Atlantic loose a mountain or two (PBS).
A serious multi-disciplinary approach, including even rogue generalists seems called for.
So…amazing deductions, pseudo-science in prose, or story board for “The Day After The Day After Tomorrow”?
Global Militarism has consumed more Energy and polluted the Planet more than any other
force or source in human history. Total global disarmament is the only chance we have. If
that seems too impossible to achieve, there is one recommendable meditation. It is called
'Die Before You Die' to imagine what happens when we die. The imagination itself does
miracles, as the brain experiences death.
I guess the best advice would sound like 'Be Happy As Long As You Can'.
Helena-Sophia Watson 'Female Mind Over Matter'
Question. How do we get the majority of people whether they believe in global warming or not to change their lifestyles in order to reduce the carbon emissions?
Do you know of anyone who is willing to change their lifestyle to the extent that will be required in addition to technological fixes? Anyone?
"Question. How do we get the majority of people whether they believe in global warming or not to change their lifestyles in order to reduce the carbon emissions?"
That's a tough one. Most people won't change unless they absolutely have to. Still, I'm willing to do what I can because I have to sleep with myself.
"Do you know of anyone who is willing to change their lifestyle to the extent that will be required in addition to technological fixes? Anyone?"
I don't think this is possible. There are too many people, global climate change is in full swing, and most people go along with the current paradigm of growth and consumption. I don't see it as an either/or situation - all parts of the equation are necessary - personal, political, and technological.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
snydly
A local group of 20-30 somethings have been living out of gardens, dumpsters and restrurant overages, on bicycles and a junk car for a time now. An inspiration.
But they're only half way there. Think third world.
I work in a natural food store and take home quite a bit of perfectly good food that would get thrown out because of expiration dates or produce that as lost its sheen. This country wastes a full quarter of its food, according to Michael Pollan.
I applaud gleaners, though I don't do it myself. However, I don't think we need to live as they do in third world countries. We may have to, but it's not necessary. Personal initiative is only part of the solution (though, a great one). The political and technological spheres can help...or not. At least, technology has and will. Politics? Who knows.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
> Question. How do we get the majority of people whether they believe in global warming or not to change their lifestyles in order to reduce the carbon emissions?
Carbon tax. Big carbon tax.
> Do you know of anyone who is willing to change their lifestyle to the extent that will be required in addition to technological fixes? Anyone?
Sure. I already did. I don't drive a car and walk everywhere. I don't even heat my bath water. So that's one.
Answer: Free Public Transit
http://freepublictransit.org
An internet survey is worthless, as it excludes the poor who, in countries like Mexico or China, do not have access to the internet in the first place.
Never satisified with his unprecedented sellouts to special interests, this arrogant zealot is now sprinting to the finish line in his war against our planet to conclude the final chapter of his destructive presidency, Sadly, our legislators have defaulted their duties by tolerating these abuses. The returning legislators, who had been complacent during these abuses, should be chatisized and denied re-election.
These final crimes can be checked by swift and persistent action from a concerned and motivated citizenry--and with success. Remember the 9/11 investigation that Bush so vehemently opposed while an intiminated congress balked. This happened only because of the perservence of the victim's relatives, albeit the inquiries were dimished by impairments from the Bush team.
Yes, Global Climate Change is the #1 ithernational security issue on the planet:
http://geocities.com/climatechange777
All other issue dwarf this one issue.
Steve Jones
California USA
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Appalachia can't stand anymore of Presidebt Bush's economic prosperity while we decapitate The Appalachian Mountains for the love of money ! Main St. Appalchia is Third World America ! http://www.wisecountyissues.com
Climate!
"Energy independence" isn't as important if we don't have a safe and healthy place to live. I don't vote for "drill baby drill". I don't vote for mercury poisoning from burning coal all day and night. And then there's little Jimmy, he must have grown a foot! -- right next to the nuclear power plant, and the extra foot is growing out of the top of Jimmy's head.
My second cartoon is Wall Street bankers in the water trying to talk polar bears into giving up their few remaining ice floes.