Do you remember the name Paul Wellstone? He was the United States Senator from Minnesota who five years ago this month was killed along with his wife Sheila, and daughter Marcia. They died in the crash of a small airplane while campaigning for Paul's re-election.
Paul and Sheila were friends of my wife Carol and I during the years I represented Montana in the U.S. Congress.
I still remember many of the eulogies, condolences, and media statements that were made about Paul following his tragic death. Although well-meaning, of course, many of those who commented about Paul frankly had him wrong. Too many described the late Senator as "Senator Softy," and "an innocent." The implications inherent in such remembrances of Paul were that he was an unproductive legislator, a likable dreamer - a sort of loveable mascot for the other senators. They attempted to portray him as a friendly but ineffective legislator. Wrong!
Paul was elected to the U.S. Senate eleven years after Montanans had elected me to the U.S. House. He and I found occasions to work together on trade bills, education, public lands issues"including wilderness"and we worked together, no, fought shoulder-to-shoulder on the critical matter of health care for middle income people.
I came to know Wellstone really well and trust this - he was no softyhe was tough. Perhaps it was from his days as a champion high school wrestler that Paul learned how to operate in close, using his leverage, and if needed, his elbows.
Wellstone's policy determinations and political skills had been forged during the turbulence of the 1960s"a decade as maligned as was Wellstone.
Those of us who came of age during those times were horrified but tempered and hardened by the assassinations of first President Jack Kennedy, then Martin Luther King and yet again with the killing of Bobby Kennedy. The lies of Nixon taught millions of us, including Wellstone, to develop tough questioning doubts about words sent down from on high by our elected leaders - a lesson we need in these times of presidential excess. The unnecessary tragedy of Vietnam turned millions of Americans, including Wellstone, firmly against empowering any president ever again with the authority to make undeclared war. You know, Wellstone was the only senator up for re-election to vote "no" on the Bush proposal to vest the power of war with himself alone. That vote took guts. And now five years later we understand that Paul Wellstone was right and those senators who went along to get along were wrong - tragically, expensively wrong.
Wellstone brought with him to the Senate the organizing political skills he learned in those 1960s. That was a time when the tools of campaigning were developed by the civil rights and cotton field organizers in the south and, up our way by the union organizers from the shop floors, the classrooms, and mine tunnels.
We remember how the 1960s seemed filled with scenes of young people going door-to-door for their cause or candidates, traveling the byways in their crowded buses. They, too, were belittled. Wellstone used those same techniques to win election and re-election. He even had an old beat up green bus in which he and his wife and kids traveled across Minnesota. He understood how to connect with common people - in their homes, in the farm fields, and union halls.
Nope, Paul Wellstone was not a naíve ideologue out there on the fringe who, like most of our candidates, depend upon the paid mercenaries to do their campaigning for them; rather Paul did it the difficult, old-fashioned way - he earned the votes one at a time door-to-door; looking people in the eye and sometimes telling them what they might not have wanted to hear but needed to know.
During those days five years ago immediately following the deaths of Paul, his wife and daughter, it was interesting and predictable to listen to how carefully some of Wellstone's arch conservative fellow politicians chose their words, each strategically distancing themselves from his policy preferences by beginning their statements of condolences with words of separation: Utah's Senator Orin Hatch: "Paul and I seldom saw eye-to-eye;" and Senator Jesse Helms:"Despite the marked contrast between Paul's and my view..." Yes, they may have been well-meaning, but nonetheless they and others of Paul's conservative colleagues carefully chose words of purposeful separation from this senator, who through the years they had methodically painted as a "fringe soft liberal." And one can't help but notice that during these past five years, the country seems to have forgotten about Paul. And trust this - that memory lapse is just fine with those who voted wrong on the war, wrong on health care, wrong on the environment, and wrong on the catastrophe that is global warming.
This strategy of forgetfulness is purposeful, count on it. It is part and parcel of the efforts to denigrate policy progressives as weak and ineffective. Such consistent but intentional tactics are a relatively recent phenomenon. After all, can anyone recall a claim that Jack Kennedy was weak, or that Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson, Harry Truman were ineffective, or that Teddy Roosevelt was a softy? Each of them was the progressive, the liberal in their time.
Paul Wellstone, like the 1960s that forged him, believed the rights of people were higher than the rights of corporations. One has to be darn tough to hold that view! He understood that wholesale deregulation of the private sector would result, as it has, in the excessiveness of the drug companies, Enron and, closer to home, the old Montana Power Company. You know, it's easier not to do battle with those boys!
Those who marginalized Paul Wellstone in death as they did in life and now five years later dismiss him, have confused their own conceit with strength and Wellstone's productive determination with weakness.
Be sure of this: there are a lot of Paul Wellstone's out there--tough, progressive, independent thinkers, risk-takers, tired of the elite rich interests stacking the deck and lining their own pockets. And there are millions more just like them waiting, just waiting for a candidate, like Paul Wellstone, someone who is actually worth voting for.
Pat Williams served nine terms as a U.S. Representative from Montana. After his retirement, he returned to Montana and is teaching at The University of Montana where he also serves as a Senior Fellow at the Center for the Rocky Mountain West.
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Show AllHere's Kucinich at his best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1AhaH1ozbg
Armybrat: Kucinich is no Wellstone, but he is the closest thing to it in this presidential race. Though he lacks Paul's flair, his levels of vision and integrity are similarly high (for a politician). Thank you for confirming what I alluded to earlier; ie. voters accord more respect to politicians who believe in what they say, even when the voter doesn't necessarily agree with every position. There were a lot of conservatives who disagreed with Wellstone, but there were few who didn't respect him.
Are half the folks on this site from Minnesota or is it just my imagination? :)
Paul Wellstone was one of those people who kept us all honest - especially those of us from the other side of the aisle. I'm not the only conservative who thought his 'accident' was way too convenient, and not very convincingly explained - including airline mechanics and local pilots who didn't buy MSM's BS either. (MN is/was my home state) I also think it's a bad idea for popular liberals to fly in small planes - the odds just don't add up. You don't have to be a conspiracy nut to see the writing on the wall - after all, when was the last time a Republican was assassinated or had an inconvenient 'accident' during a critical election campaign?
You'd have to be pretty low to see somebody like Wellstone as a threat - he was feisty, passionate, dedicated, energetic, and sometimes a nut - but a threat? No way. (Yes, he wasn't a saint either - just a decent guy doing his best.) We all lost a good American when we lost him.
PS Kucinich is no Wellstone.
kokuaguy,
I live in a city with median homes at $260K and median household income at only $44K. If I could stage a jail break out of my cubicle without losing my house, I'd do it yesterday.
I agree with the other pilot on this thread claudius and defer to his personal experience on the type. The point he makes that operations of rebelling politicians with no history of aircraft or crew problems getting into fatal accidents in the daytime is hard to dismiss. John Kerry's wife, heir to the Heinz catsup empire, lost her Senator husband in a mysterious light aircraft accident before she married Kerry..... very odd. More Skull and Bones Skullduggery..... (our choice for the presidential election was: a Bonesman or a Bonesman. How the helll did that happen?)
And when you politically appoint NTSB and FAA investigators you can get any result you desire. That used to be a problem when these agencies were more independent, but not anymore.
The TWA 800 crash was a problem. The Navy was test firing missiles in the area at the time of the explosion. Articles in Aviation Week and Space Technology (a mcgraw hill production) said the FBI showed up on the Navy's ships, which were already jerking wreckage off the bottom of the sea floor, took over the investigation and prevented the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) from even participating in the accident investigation. This was the first time in NTSB domestic history that they were banned. Only the NTSB has the expertise, tools, and skill to get to the bottom of the initial accident scene. The Navy, by not photographing the wreckage on the bottom first, destroyed any hope of us understanding the sequence of pieces blowing off the aircraft; so we will never be able to know with certainty if this was an internal explosion or an external missile. Eye witnesses on pleasure boats said they saw a missile smoke trail extend across the sky and hit an aircraft resulting in a fireball (separately on the net)
The fuel pump wiring on the #2 center fuel pump was blamed for the accident, which, while possible, is pretty unlikely. I flew this model aircraft 747-100 for four years and can tell you that it was not unheard of for an old fuel pump to overheat and pop the circuit breaker; the model even has a little scavenge fuel pump (tank #2) which commonly is forgot about and runs with the amber low pressure light on. The temperature flash point of Jet A fuel is very low, very forgiving, it's not like gasoline; you can put a cigarette out in a cup of Jet fuel and it will not ignite (it's like diesel fuel.) These aircraft were built in 1969, have millions of hours on them and in forty years NOT ONE has ever had a fuel tank just blow up on climb out due to faulty wiring.
This century, there is so much executive branch corruption staining every federal agency that the hope a sole NTSB investigator might have to uncover the truth is so unrealistic as to be doomed from the start. Corporate pressure not to be blamed for the accident, Manufacture paranoia, and main stream media ignorance of aviation issues all cloud the process of having a meaningful cause of the accident identified. Then frequently, the FAA will not follow the recommendations of the NTSB, so more blood has to be spilled before a fix occurs.
But, as everybody knows, aviation is over 100 times safer than driving your auto the same distance. When senators who oppose this administration show up dead in late model, well trained charter operations surrounded by FBI before the smoke even starts..... you have to ask yourself: is there a pattern to this government behavior? Where have I seen this before? Ron Brown? John Kennedy Jr? TWA 800? Pan Am in Scottland? 911? All extremely political accidents.
In light of the political lockstep of all congress towards war in Iran, it gives me pause, and is cause for ligitimate concern.
The above is, as all my posts are, just my opinion only.
pac
I remember when Stephen Gaghan, director of the film Syriana, was interviewed on Charlie Rose. He said that after researching that film, he'd never fly in a small plane again. "Too easy to bring them down and make it look like and accident," he said. I thought immediately of Paul Wellstone.
The steely glint in Hillary Clinton's eye is the reflection off the metal of the gears inside her head and what drives her is her battery pack...
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Paul Bramscher: I hear what you're saying. However, I've known an awful lot of the comfortable members of Gen X. Those of us who haven't "made it" are much more likely to rattle our cages. The comfortable ones don't. They'll end up with rude awakenings soon enough to the issues you describe, but they'll be awakenings from a deep sleep indeed.
Marxymark: Couldn't agree with you more. Dennis Kucinich for President! I wish we had proportional representation.
Nominate Dennis Kucinich! Take over the democratic party, and from there we can get an America beholden to the People, not the corporations! Vote your values, vote your hopes and dreams!
Join the Peaceful Revolution!
http://action.dennis4president.com/public/blog/view/id_2101/
I guess it's one of the reasons I'm instinctly drawn to Senator Hillary Clinton's candidacy -- I often see that steely glint in her eye that never shone from her husband's. I think it reflects a conviction that if "they" could what they did to her husband's presidency, not to mention Sen. Heinz, JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King, Medger Evers, Abraham Lincoln, and Jesus Christ -- she too could be taken down in a heartbeat. I truly believe it's part of what drives her.
Aloha to Lambsy Divy --
You'll know that savior when she / her courts death, fearlessly reminds the nation that the assassin's sword lies in wait for all who seek justice, and, like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., forges on, head high -- you will not be able to keep yourself from following.
I will support Kucinich with my limited time and money; but if he is not the Dem's nominee, I refuse to vote for a lesser evil. The Wellstones and Kuciniches and Lees of the party are altogether too rare. The Dems have two choices--go for the imagined middle voters or for the non-voting majority that is waiting for something different. The latter has not been given a chance. If the Dems continue to churn out Clintons and Liebermans as candidates, we progressives and lefties are free to find an alternative. Vote your conscience! Someday the corporate parties will have to give way to run-off elections and/or proportional representation. It's up to we the people to push democracy forward.
To Chicanery --
Oops - that was Paul in the cubicle.
Note to Chicanery:
You choose to inhabit that cage, brother -- your kids could do worse than to serve in the military (voluntarily or as part of a mandatory national service program), when and if it is rehabilitated following the end of our 21st century nightmare called the GWOT, and return to particapating in widely and genuinely supported Nato humanitarian inteventions, and U.N. mandated peace keeping efforts.
Note to SequoiaBison --
Those whose essays are publised are the intellectuals -- the rest of us are just along for the ride.
And I hope a few of you Common Dreamers will remember Hawaii's Rep. Patsy Mink, who, if I'm not mistaken, was the the first woman to seek the U.S. Presidency in a statewide primary election(1972?) Years later, in 2000, Patsy stood up with the Black Caucus members of the House of Representatives who pleaded for "just one" principled Sentor to join them in challenging Bush's coronation by the Supreme Court and the Electoral College--those who loved Moore's "Farenheit 9/11" may recall that Patsy's courage was noted.
Patsy too died mysteriously after opposing the Iraq war. Somehow in her 70's she contracted "chicken pox", never having been immunized, and being unable to obtain adequate medical treatment, apparently. We will likely never know the true circumstances of her long, agonizing final battle -- her husband's death occurred shortly after hers. However, just as the facts and timing of the death of Wellstone's family seem too bizarre to be the result of coincidence; just as myriad questions remain about the cataclysm resulting from the World Trade Center's destruction, and its horrific, ongoing aftermath; just as no one seems to care or want to recall that the Anthrax assassination plot remains unsolved; just as Osama Bin Ladin continues to play hide & seek with the world's greatest "Super-Pussy" (is anyone on our side even playing?); so too, there is little understanding of the relationship between this fortuitous (for the Neo-Cons) 21st nightmare, and the subsequent erosion and disappearance of civil rights and constitutional protections to which all Americans are truly "entitled."
Note: A hopeful sign may be the airing of an upcoming Frontline documentary --"Cheney's Law." Plan to tune in for it next week (check your local listings.)
Kevin,
Thanks for the NTSB report, but I do not buy it. The King Air 100 has boots on the leading edge of the wing that are electronic and can jolt (the ice if there was any). We routinely flew King Airs through snow and ice without any problems. Also, I do not buy the fact that these pilots were sub-standard. If they were, no charter company would hire them. Furthermore, insurance companies require the pilots to have a certain number of flight hours in the type of aircraft to insure it. Finally, pilots with a sub-standard proficiency level would never be allowed to fly a United States Senator.
SEQUOIABISON
"On behalf of Paul Wellstone I nominate Dennis Kucinich to be our democratic nominee for president of the USA."
Nice to see someone on this pseudo-intellectual site has guts and a positive thought!!!!!!!
Chicanery,
The hippies were a fringe subset of the Boomers, not the central theme of that generation. The X-Gen has seen its earning power erode over time -- rather than getting better. I doubt my kids will be able to afford college. It seems they may instead be drafted to fight Hillary's war on Iran -- or spend the bulk of their tax dollars servicing interest on the foolishness we're currently engaged in. This country is digging itself into a tremendous hole, and this is what'll keep the X/Y-Gen from coasting onto conservative Boomer Street. I've gotten only more radical as I get older.
Now if I had that cabin, boat, hobby farm, etc. and wasn't locked like a prisoner in a cubicle 40 hours/week maybe I'd soften up a little. But I find myself rattling my cage more each year.
are we fooling ourselves ??you will vote for one illuminati or the other illuminati !!all nonmember hopeful candidates, will be sent to meet their maker.......
Paul Bramscher: Wonderful post, though I'm not sure of how much faith you should put in Gen X/Y cosmopolitanism. Don't forget, the boomer generation were the Sixties radicals who frightened the establishment, at least until they got their homes in the suburbs ala "Family Ties". Gens X & Y have their share of crazies and also their share of folks whose attitudes will become increasingly less radical as they get older.
You are right, though, that the Republicans (and Democrats, too) will be very different 10-20 years from now. After all, 90 years ago, it was Republican politicians like Robert LaFollette and Jeanette Rankin who tried to keep America out of an immoral and destructive war in which it had no business engaging. They also championed the minimum wage, women's sufferage, progressive taxation, and other radical ideas. The progressive movement was founded from within the Republican party. The Democratic party of the day kept themselves busy disenfranchising blacks, supressing the anti-war movement, and stirring up anti-German sentiment to convince the populace to go along with their imperial agenda.
What goes around, comes around.
Pat Williams - in your last paragraph you say there are a lot of Paul Wellstones out there; that
we just have to wait for them, and that they'll be "...worth waiting for."
How long would you recommed we wait, Pat?
It's obvious the Beltway Democrats don't want any Wellstones in their midst; also obvious that the media marginalize anybody who even vaguely sounds like Wellstone - like Kucinich.
Look at what both major parties and the media are doing to our country, Pat: We have a deepening 7yr lockdown of democracy going on.
And you suggest we Wait?
Congressman nice behind the scene insight but you make it sound like the great senator Norm Coleman is not filling Wellstones shoes??
What a contrast between the maverick senator and his half-wit replacement.
I am not one who usually believes in conspiracy theories but Wellstones death will always remain suspicious in my eyes.
Paul I loved your tenacious idealism, you were the genuine article our very own Mr. Smith goes to Washington.
We liberals really miss your courageousness and your fearless anti war speeches on the floor of the senate.
You were an outstanding example of what a true representative of the people is supposed to be.
I do not think you ever put special interest lobbyists ahead of what was best for Americans.
On behalf of Paul Wellstone I nominate Dennis Kucinich to be our democratic nominee for president of the USA.
The argument that "the only way" to get progressives elected is within the Democratic party framework appears -- itself -- to be right-wing shilling. The Democrats were complicit on 'Nam and Iraq. Hillary's foreign policy appears to be virtually indistinguishable from Bush's. The MSM "selects" the top Republican and Democratic candidates for us -- but they don't pick the top Green and other third party candidates.
The "only way" to get progressive candidates elected is ANY way possible. Run them in the Dems, run them as Greens, even as Republicans. I predict that the Rethug party won't resemble its current form in another 10-20 years. There may be a lot of crazies among the Boomer electorate, but there aren't as many, proportionately speaking, in the more cosmopolitan X/Y-Gen.
The DLC has obviously co-opted the Dems by taking impeachment off the table. They could cancel Bush's requests for more war money by not writing those bills, they could filibuster, they have not gone after Rumsfeld, Gonzo, etc.
The very fact that we have to fight the Dems into doing anything suggests that we've pinned our hopes on the entirely wrong dynamic. A really successful progressive movement is NOT a protest movement -- it's an emergent grassroots movement. We need to build our own power base, collect an awful lot of wood and tend to our own fire.
Nanoo: "Just think if Wellstone were alive today, he may well have been running for president and way ahead of H. Clinton and the rest of the rat pack."
Exactly.
Paul Wellstone was assassinated. No discussion of his life is meaningful on any level without an honest discussion of his death. The men who killed Paul Wellstone are still in power, and like rats, they can be expected to be most savage when they are cornered.
It seems to me that fear informs everything this Congress does. What do they know that we don't? What do they think will happen if they corner Bush and Cheney?
Ask Pelosi: When you took impeachment "off the table," did you believe that Bush's response to impeachment would be some horrific event that would be followed by a declaration of martial law? How can you justify continuing to give this criminal administration everything it demands?
"CNN struck me that day because within hours of the crash, they were definitely reporting that the cause was icing on the wings. No talk about waiting for investigators or even that this was just speculation."
I assume they "knew" this the same way they "knew" Osama Bin Laden was responsible for the WTC disaster looooong before any real investigation could have been done.
I'll bet you a million bucks against a hole in a donut that Bushco murdered Wellstone.
There's no such thing as "coincidence." That's a word used by people who are too stupid to see patterns or who simply refuse to see them. Don't take my word for it. Ask any detective.
Liberty & Justice,
sj
www.spartacusjones.com
"Right wing shills?" Puh-lease. Pointing out the shortcomings of Democratic politicians, even the most progressive, is more of an exercise akin to Diogenes roaming the streets with his lamp looking for an honest man. Just because someone is cynical does not make them a right wing shill. It's true that the perfect progressive candidate does not exist, however "lesser-of-two-evil"ism continues to be a losing strategy for progressives and for the nation. It encourages voter apathy and has been the main contributing factor in the decline in voter engagement in this country. Voters can tell the smarmy triangulators from the politicians who actually believe what they say. That's why they'll vote for the real Republican over the fake one every time. Even if they don't necessarily agree with them on every point, they know how such a person will behave.
Wellstone had his shortcomings and it would be wrong to fail to recognize that. Shortcomings are part of what makes us human. He was, nonetheless, the most progressive Minnesota congressman to be elected to office in a generation. That does not mean that we can't roam the streets with our lamps looking for his better.
I visited the crash site twice last year. It's a very nice walk into the woods. Large granite marker dedicated to Wellstone and other informational boards put up along circle route, make this an inspiring place to visit. I agree with those who think this crash was Not an accident, as there are too many unanswered questions.
Just think if Wellstone were alive today, he may well have been running for president and way ahead of H. Clinton and the rest of the rat pack.
I've been suspecting right wing shills too. The ONLY way to break the vice-like grip of the Republican Party is to work on progressive candidates for the Democratic Party and then vote the Democrats into Congress and the White House. The RNC is relying on citizens failing to participate and replace the Republican seats in the House and Senate. The Republicans know that they can disenfrachise millions of minority voters. They've been doing it. They know that over a third of the nation's votes will be registered and counted by easily programmed (hacked)computers with no record of the vote. They count on votes being too evenly divied up between the frontrunners. The 2008 election will only be won in many places if the votes are so overwhelming that they cannot get away with it. Support progressives. But finally, support Democrats. Otherwise, Republican control is what you will get in 2009. Is that what you want? Or will progressive congressmen and senators further swell the ranks of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and increase the public pressure on the entire bodies and the Democratic Party itself. With a Democrat in the White House, this would begin swinging the pendulum back.
i see the perfect storm brewing.when bush ran for president so many on the right were outraged at the lack of morals in this country .bush was the perfect storm for the christian right,the baptist churches held huge celebrations,hung out signs saying"thanks for voting your conscience"they were elated.bush was their hero"save us from the wickedness,bush'we all know how that turned out.the liberalposters on the gore articles sound exactly like them"our hero,gore..save us..save the earth..they are elated..it is becoming the perfect storm for the left..deja vu,bush elected by right as the hero of morals..gore elected by left as hero of environment..god help us...
The official NTSB story: the pilots screwed up.
http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/2004/sp0410.html
From The Wilderness articles: "There were reports of strange electromagnetic phenomena in the vicinity of EVM airport around the time of the crash."
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070605_wellstone.shtml
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/112702_wellstone_update.html
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/110102_wellstone.html
Kevin
PJD,
I'm beginning to wonder that maybe what others have said about your posts is true. You never seem to be satisfied with any progressive. Be it Gore or Wellstone you pooh pooh them. Maybe you are a right wing shill. You wouldn't be the first and you definitely won't be the last.
I am from Maryland, but a great admirer of Sen. Wellstone. I believe there was more to the plane crash, and I am; but then again not surprised that the investigation was completed fast, and there was very little suspicion into the crash of his plane. I miss you Sen. Wellstone.
I distinctly remember reading that Ted Kennedy, who was campaigning with Wellstone the day before Wellstone died, was scheduled to fly with him to Duluth and continue campaigning there. Shortly before the plane departed St. Paul, Kennedy had to return to the East and did not board the doomed plane. It was supposed to be a two-fer.
I went door-to-door in Minneapolis for Wellstone when he was a political science professor hopelessly underfunded and running against a powerful incumbant Repub. I was one of thousands. Like all of them, I was paying attention when he died. If you read "The Family," you'll get a feel for how incredibly powerful the Bush family has been. It would be nice if we got over it and threw our energy into the next savior, but I can't -- it just feels too much like wishing death on that person.
"The corporate media can "take down" any elected official or popular candidate, anytime, anywhere, for any trumped-up reason. But they can't do much to thousands or millions of citizens speaking up for what we believe in.
Organize your neigbors."
Direct democracy NOW!
"I don't know what left or right mean, other than that they divide the masses from the perspective of the top. It's been a sham all along.
I know what up and down mean, though."
Hey, hey, hey. That's some seditious talk you got there pardner. *winks* Well put.
>i read in wikipedia that frank zappa was a hard line right-winger
he was a libertarian. duh. :D
he only becomes hard-line if you look at the world as two amorphous masses, one left, one right, as opposed to left, right, authoritarian and anti-authoritarian. i'm sure we would have had some things that we disagreed upon in terms of human nature, and quite possibly the market (although the quotes that i've read don't make him sound like he was one of those "the free market fixes all, and that's why corporations are good" guys) - but Mr. Zappa had loads more in common with most of the progressive left than George Bush does, or ever will.
In terms of Wikipedia: You could always get an account, and challenge the validity of whatever dumbass said he was a hard-liner. Wikipedia is as good as people make it, although as an experiment in process, there are people who are tipping the scales (for example, propagandizing for their company, etc.) I use it for spot reference, then check sources.
restive,i read in wikipedia that frank zappa was a hard line right-winger and nothing could be further from the truth-wikipedia..the dictionary of the new world order..
I don't know what left or right mean, other than that they divide the masses from the perspective of the top. It's been a sham all along.
I know what up and down mean, though.
"I agree with others above, the Democrats will continue to crumble…as long as the party and elected Dems continue to belittle, marginalize and undermine the far left, as long as they sneeze at the Greens and turn a deaf ear to people like the on-the-ground environmentalist and in-the-classroom teachers."
Hey, I'm in the far left! Medea Benjamin's playing infield compared to me. :D It's not just the far left, its effectively the left as a whole at this point - or more exactly, it's pretty much anybody who isn't a beltway power monger who gives a damn. Ironically, as much as the DNC Democrats keep deluding themselves into thinking they're chasing after the center in this country, in fact what they are trying to do is form some washed out version of a Popular Front government, but this time with the fascists themselves. In sum: the center will not hold. This is how revolutions get started...
Gore will need to run as a Green or independent, lest he be saddled with another Lieberman.
A Lakota friend of mine recently said that what kills Indian communities isn't the poverty and addiction, it's JEALOUSLY. There is lesson for all of us in this observation. Consider how often the "moderate" Dems undermine the efforts of the "progressives" and pooh-pooh the viewpoints of the "liberal left" JUST BECAUSE those efforts or points-of-view come from somewhere other than where those with the power stand.
Pat, I hope you will look back at your own marginalization of us local, born-and-raised Montanans who happen to be vocal about our need to protect and preserve Montana's natural environment. You called us "rabid environmentalists" and thus lumped all of us together into one bunch with this negative stereotype, rather than accepting that we were/are, in fact, a highly diverse population who share a common concern. It worked, that stereotyping, because it immediately made us not worth listening to, just as the negative labels like "bleeding heart liberal" serve to alienate and diminish the value of folks like Paul Wellstone.
Democrats, stop killing your messengers! Would Al Gore and crew have gotten a Nobel prize if the local, vocal environmentalists and the really brave scientists weren't doing the leg work to get messages out there on how our environment is doing? No way.
I agree with others above, the Democrats will continue to crumble...as long as the party and elected Dems continue to belittle, marginalize and undermine the far left, as long as they sneeze at the Greens and turn a deaf ear to people like the on-the-ground environmentalist and in-the-classroom teachers. The Republicans capitalized on the potential that the far right offered them. But so far the Democratic party has only given a bit of very convenient and self-serving lip service to the left, instead of recognizing that the vitality and energy of the left (which is so woefully lacking in the Dem party) are there and could be the life-saver if only taken seriously.
No candidate is "unelectable" unless we the voters buy into the media BS. We may not always have the greatest options, but of the bunch now, Kucinich is the ONLY one with both a heart and a mind. SO go meet with your conservative neighbors and the liberals as well and get them paying attention--at least they might hear what the candidates ought to be talking about. And remember, go meet your local election folks, get involved in poll watching and helping get folks registered and to the polls. And mind those voting machines... Democracy takes effort!!!
And tell Gore to run, too! After all, he's won before.
Choice "B" IGNORED!
All you gotta do is tweak the Beacon out of its 50Hertz and 90 Hertz rate for glidescope. Thats my opinion and I am sticking to it. Remember the Commerce Secretary Brown????
Coffeelover,,,,,
Minnesota Greens wanting big bucks? Why do you say that? I'm here and I'm talking: for zip. I should mention that Dr. Fetzer has spoken for a MN Green candidate for US Senate (Mike Cavlan).
The Dems are losing their base. They may win a few more elections, only as a consequence of how terrible the Rethugs are, but they're destined for the dustbin of history unless they begin to churn out Wellstones.
As a Minnesotan, I too think Paul Wellstone was assassinated. But as we've been told, let's "Get over it."
Not in the sense that we forget him, but in the sense that we stop fretting, arguing and blaming. Let's get over it by taking back our country by the grass roots that Paul would have admired.
I cringed as I read Fetzer's poorly-written book. With friends like that....
I say let's take over our neighborhoods, precinct caucuses, primaries, counties and states in the name of Progressive candidates... namely Dennis Kucinich.
I contacted the Greens in MN. They're like every other "Party." They'll talk to you if you have big $$$$.
Forget the Greens.
I miss Paul Wellstone. No other politician in my home state has been as inspiring. However, I wish he had stuck to his promise and only run for two terms. He might still be alive and continuing to inspire. It's possible that Norm Coleman would still be besmirching the halls of the Senate right now, but at least we'd still have Paul.
According to Jim Fetzer the FBI were already on the way to the crash scene before it happened. They cordoned off the area and wouldn't let any press people in. Isn't it the FAA that is supposed to investigate plane crashes? Not in this case or the case of 9/11. Has anyone seen any reconstructed planes from 9/11 like we have seen from many othe crashes?
Every part on a jetliner has a part number that can be traced to that particular plane. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.
I recommend watching the YouTube "Battle at Kruger". The cowering there ended when the numbers are sufficient, sufficiently organized, and the powderkeg was ignited. The ignition was a byproduct of the lions' behavior. I predict it'll be the ueber-establishment which finally oversteps some sort of taboo which cannot be soothsayed away. History has certain examples where all hell breaks loose because it's been dammed up too long.
At Kruger, it turned out that the king of the savanna is a false problem. It is not one individual vs. another, but one group structure vs. another. It turns out that sufficiently organized herbivores can easily send the lion pride fleeing.
Of course Wellstone was murdered. Planes just don't fall out of the sky and burn for days, with the FBI arriving sooner than NTSB... It's a simple matter to aim a weapon at a plane and take out the electronics.
So was JFK, Jr. John gave that speech at the Democratic National Convention and the NeoCons cringed. There isn't a woman in the world who wouldn't have voted for him, just to see that face for 4 or 8 years... not to mention his intelligence, warmth and integrity. Word is that he had come into solid evidence that Bush, Sr. was involved in his father's murder and was going public with it.
So, instead of getting more years of Camelot and some semblance of dealing with reality, we get Caligula and Darth Vader in charge of things...
Hang Cheney First.
There seem to be some strong arguments that Sen. Wellstone was murdered. For one of them see Crossingthewilderness.com
Let that be a lesson to liberals in government who dare stand up for what they deeply believe, and speak truth to power!
Any wonder that today they appear to cower?
::i remember seattle 1999 - a true blow against the empire and like all successes against a very powerful giant it was followed by considerable efforts to eradicate the win from the record - no more wto meetings in high profile american jewels - and then less than 2 years later - 9/11 - talk about smashing a movement… killing a senator is nothing and everyone knows it.::
It takes far more than that to smash a movement. That's why movements are powerful.
Really. Unless evidence emerges that Paul Wellstone's death was other than accidental, what's the point in speculating about his possible murderers?
We already know what the neoconservatives are capable of. So if they ever got pegged with Wellstone's murder it should come as no big surprise to any of us.
I wish former Montana congressman Pat Williams - a damn good legislator while in office - would tell us what he's done to help the new US Senator from Montana, Jon Tester, come through on his election pledges about ending the war.
I know that Williams worked hard to help fellow Montanan Tester beat Bush puppet Montana Sen. Conrad Burns, in the 2006 election. But Tester has now gone back on his 2006 campaign pledge to push for an Iraq withdrawal timetable by July 2007. July 2007 is long gone now.
Instead of coming through on his brave campaign pledge, Sen. Tester has now done a 180-degree about-face, and voted for the recent authorization of another $150 Billion for Bush's insane war -- totally caving-in to the absurd [excuse for] Democratic leadership in the Senate.
We can all agreee with Pat Williams's lament for the absence of brave progressive pols like Wellstone. And maybe Tester is never going be a Wellstone. But I hope Pat is at least lighting a fire under Tester's ass, to get him to come through on his pledge about the war.
If not, Pat's piece is just one more distraction -in this case: sentimental recollections about a dead senator displacing needed ehortations to a live one.
I haven't forgotten Paul Wellstone. He was one of very few progressive leaders and his death was truly a tragedy for our nation. But celebrity is right--Kucinich is still with us and it is foolish to dismiss him just because the corporate media tells us he's unelectable. He's the guy that represents US and the only candidate with a clear vision to get us off the road to doomsday we're currently on. I'm sure Wellstone would agree.
Not sure where he went, Pat, but here's a possible how:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vbf49kzWFw (Fetzer on the Assassination of Wellstone)
dolkar: "We need to stop waiting for a candidate (there already is one - Dennis Kucinich) and start becoming the heroes we need."
Well, dolkar, since no one else above me can make the connection, I would like to thank you for pointing out what, to me at least, is obvious. The Wellstone-Kucinich similarities are many, except one is deceased, which makes him grow taller, politically and in stature. (Yes, they had height in common as well)
Until the alleged Progressives on this site and others stop looking for someone with absolutelty NO warts, we are headed for the (as usual) "lesser-of-two-evils" elected to office. When all the alleged Progressives have the courage of their convictions like Dennis Kucinich has, then we will have the leader that everyone SAY that they want.
I expect the usual negativity and "un-electables" to follow my post. (Hell, I may even get ignored just like D.K.!) But, just like the man from Cleveland, I'm not giving up on this primary until it's over. I see absolutely no rational reason for ANY alleged Progressive not to be standing behind this chance to have Wellstone...I mean, Kucinich...in the White House in 2008.
Even progressives fear to use the word "assassination" when speaking of Wellstone's death. It was way too suspicious to not think it was planned and that he was executed.
Where has Paul Gone?
He was assassinated.
restive
i remember seattle 1999 - a true blow against the empire and like all successes against a very powerful giant it was followed by considerable efforts to eradicate the win from the record - no more wto meetings in high profile american jewels - and then less than 2 years later - 9/11 - talk about smashing a movement... killing a senator is nothing and everyone knows it.
All sounds good to me. The one thing I would add is that all of the traits you describe can be embodied by ordinary people, if we're part of something that is larger than ourselves. This is why I believe so strongly in the need for thousands to stand up and organize, not just the rare individual who personifies those traits, amazing and gifted though they may be.
Wellstone was a natural, I think. The other gift he had was the ability to simultaneously work himself up into a frenzied vein-buldging speech, while at the same time manage a wink or smirk to his audience.
The progressivism he projected was not alarmist paranoid doom & gloom. But rather a righteous indignation on the one hand -- coupled with idealism, humor/spirit and compassion on the other. There aren't too many people like this, but when you see one of them in a crowd you can spot them very quickly. They're the people you want to have a conversation with. They're tapped into something much larger than themselves.
"I've long wondered whether it's possible for people to train to become speakers like that, or whether it's an innate ability."
I think it's highly learnable - it's one of the things that successful movements do. Some people are probably better at it than others, but you'd be surprised what confidence, talking points, good diction (yes, good diction) and a comprehensible narrative will do. Sincerely and steadfastly standing by your beliefs while not demanding that everybody else think the same way you do also goes a long way - it's probably why Jesse Helms spoke well of Wellstone.
restive: Yeah -- not the one person with fiery speaking skills, but the thousand. I was typing too quickly there. I've long wondered whether it's possible for people to train to become speakers like that, or whether it's an innate ability.
CoMarc: Here in Minnesota, if I recall correctly, the local news were reporting "no evidence of foul play" within hours of the crash. I wondered how they were able to rule that out so quickly. Unless it was to be a foregone conclusion.
Amen to that restive,
The corporate media can "take down" any elected official or popular candidate, anytime, anywhere, for any trumped-up reason. But they can't do much to thousands or millions of citizens speaking up for what we believe in.
Organize your neigbors.
"But what the progressive movement really needs, more so than conviction, cohesive ideology, etc. (we already produce this for the most part) is a fiery orator with natural charisma."
Not to be cynical, but this natural charisma thing...if there's one thing that we keep being reminded of over and over again, it's that if we put our faith in one person, that person will be pushed to the sidelines - and if that doesn't work, completely discredited - and if that doesn't work, bumped off. We need thousands of people speaking truth to power, not one bright shining prince. Remember Seattle in 1999?
"But what the progressive movement really needs, more so than conviction, cohesive ideology, etc. (we already produce this for the most part) is a fiery orator with natural charisma."
Been there ... ever hear Jesse Jackson speak in person? Writing about Al Gore today has reminded me that he was the progressive candidate in 1988. Still didn't work.
I saw Mr. Wellstone walking over the hill.
With Abraham, Bobby, Martin, and John.
PS ... After the crashes in Missouri and Minnesota, I know that if I was running for US Senate and my election might change the balance of power towards or away from the Republicans, I'd be very, very, very careful with security involving any plane in which I flew.
CNN struck me as very strange the day of the crash.
There is a very predictable news story when a plane crashes. The networks go to 'full-court-press' mode, but they have little to report. The NCSB team is only just heading towards the site, and typically they will be very complete in their investigation and will say rather little until its complete. So the news is filled with lots of talk, but the facts of the crash are relatively unknown.
CNN struck me that day because within hours of the crash, they were definitely reporting that the cause was icing on the wings. No talk about waiting for investigators or even that this was just speculation.
And the news cycle was much shorter. JKF Jr had crashed just months before, and that story was in the news for many, many days. With the Wellstone crash, CNN covered it for one day, seemed to directly report that the cause of the crash was known, then quickly moved off the story. The media equivalent of 'move along folks, nothing to see here.' In fact the story quickly became an attack on the Democrats because the Democrats had the gumption to talk about the values that Mr. Wellstone upheld at the memorial service held for him.
The results of the investigation, which did not back up CNN's reporting, were almost completely unreported. If you looked close you might find them on the equivalent of page D-22 next to the salad recipe.
Don't know what that means. But it struck me as very different from the way other plane crashes involving public figures are handled and 'reported'.
And of course, I'm sure the media and the 'leaders' of the Democratic Party are trying as hard as possible to forget Mr. Wellstone ever existed.
>Someone please correct me if I'm wrong…
He voted for the bombing of Iraq in 1998, as well as the strikes against Bosnia, according to his profile on Wikipedia. However, he also voted against both Iraq wars in 1991 and 2003: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1009-05.htm.
CD has an archive about The Kosovo crisis: http://www.commondreams.org/kosovo/kosovo.htm (Personally, I think voting for the bombing was wrong - I would like to know what Wellstone had to say when the death toll went through the roof.)
That all aside, he also had a solidly progressive voting record with very few moves to the contrary, from the sounds of it, which a quick web search will reveal. Compare that to both Clintons...
And as for the circumstances surrounding Wellstone's death:
http://www.alternet.org/story/14399/?page=2
Paul Wellstone was a guy you could always count on to do the right thing, and look what happens to guys who do the right thing. No wonder no one wants to do the right thing anymore. Fear of terrorists? No I don't think so, maybe more fear of things closer to home. I don't think anyone wants a knuckle sandwich for lunch.
Didn't Wellstone support Clintons bombing war on Yugoslavia and the murderous US/UN sanctions and periodic bombings of Iraq?
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...
I saw Paul the first time around 1989 when he spoke at the high school I graduated from. He was running for his first term as senator. I was energized enough in the Democrats to become a state delegate, and met Paul a couple other times after that. He made a huge impact on me. But his death has underscored a terrible void in the Democratic Party -- one that they seem very reluctant to fill. I don't think it's for lack of progressive candidates.
Paul's ability was that he could overcome the MSM limits on "who's allowed" to gain traction. His speaking style, personality, energy, etc. was direct and personal. He's not the sort you turned on Faux News to see. He was the sort for which you biked or grabbed your keys and drove to the rally to see in person. It was great back then -- a good cluster of people supported him. You went because of the community. Once at his campaign headquarters I also remember fantastic free Thai food available to volunteers. All you could eat.
I've heard no credible evidence that foul play was involved with his death, but I'll certainly always suspect as much (as with 9/11). Since his departure I've been more interested in the Green Party.
But what the progressive movement really needs, more so than conviction, cohesive ideology, etc. (we already produce this for the most part) is a fiery orator with natural charisma. Give us one of those, and get a cluster of intellectuals, idealists, visionaries -- and yes, practical people -- around him (or her) and we'll churn out Wellstones by the hundred.
from a fellow admirer of paul wellstone...there was an epidemic of small plane crashes,there..for quite awhile.it would be ironic,if the same company that was in charge of the twin towers,had also had smaller branches acting as security for the smaller private airports.i also felt very badly about john kennedy jr,i miss him..and always thought that it was 'curious'that he named his magazine,"george" was he trying to tell us,something ?
I should add that I have logged more than 1,000 flight hours in the type of aircraft in which Senator Wellstone flew.
After five years I still mourn Paul's death. It is obvious that Wellstone would have made it very difficult for Bush to make war, and his croneys to line their pockets. Why is it that the progressives have lost so many greats through violence? Losing the three Kennedys, Dr. King, Wellstone, and John Lennon leave an enormous void that can't be filled for years. Just beacause I'm parnoid doesn't mean nobody is not after us.
small planes do not like democrats who speak out for liberal issues
whitewatersally,
I agree with you. I used to be an airline pilot, and the investigation of the plane crash involving the honorable Senator Wellstone was done rather quickly with very little said. I very highly doubt it was pilot error. I think it really was sabotage. The pilots flying that plane were too well-seasoned, especially with a United States Senator on board. I too wish Senator Wellstone was back to lead us into the world of light and hope instead of the world of darkness and despair into which the Village-Idiot-In-Chief has plunged us.
We need to stop waiting for a candidate (there already is one - Dennis Kucinich) and start becoming the heroes we need.
as the administration continues to give away our country's economic security to the tune of 10 billion a month, I weep for my daughter at age 22 and with her future mortgaged to the max and beyond.
incredibly sad.