Thousand Hurt in Anti-G8 Protest, Police Arrest 128 People

Who we kidding when we mention Germany today, Germany is set upon foreign conquest just as is the US of A.
In fact their is a covert battle going on between some aspects of US Brit economics and German/Austrian and French concerns.
It does not flare up in armed confrontations no but is done by economics, and the warfare portion is done by proxies.
Teh US actually did not just intervene in Balkan afairs they intervened in Gemean Austrian economic attempts to ingrain themselves in old Yugoslavia, old Soviet satelite states of Czechoslovakia, Rumania, Poland, as it puyshed towards energy fields in Caspain and new Russian sources.
the US being much more capable using proxys defeated French Dutch interest in Africa by using its militry to set up proxies to cause unrest, unrest the French special forces tried to stem but were handily defeaed. Defeated so badly that even in old areas where Dutch and French currency and language used to be the mainstays now English and the dollar prevail.
US using Islamic , yes bin Ladin was one Saudi group, today we use a different Prince of Saud, deliberately caused turmoil in Balkans gathered Nato and invaded not jsut balkans but eventually all Caspioan sea countrys and Germanys old energy route grabs had to be content with just Banking all of the new Balkan ploitical scene whle US gained military control of aras.
Germany is not any damn whit differnt than US.
Just that its peopel hav4 lived so long under the same National Socialism but called Liberalism they no longer recognize the differenece.
No country today in Balkan or old Yugo Republic has its own Natioan banking System, except Albania which was what the US and its Saudi bankrollers wanted.
Now Grmany has its newly awakend military, just salcking off for years but with the old Heraldry days always just below the surface, killing Central Asians with just as much gusto as is the US.
So stick your Holier Than Thou German attitude , you know where.

Germany is a few hundred years ahead of the neanderthalithic USA.

Health care, public transportation, educational systems,
manners & social consiousness of the people there.

I think that some of them might see Hitler in Bush and find that very upsetting.

NAZI. Form of governance and term used to discribe Adherants of National Socialism. Largest body of practioners today, the US of A.

I thought it was illegal in Germany to be a Nazi? Guess it doesn't apply to the German police.

Thanks, Sean, for shedding some light on the common anarchist position. The knee-jerk reaction to call "violent" protesters "anarchists" and then write the whole group off, without asking WHY such action is taken - seems so commonplace; unfortunately, even in a forum such as commondreams.org.

I am troubled by the demonization of anarchists I'm hearing in this discussion.

Being an anarchist doesn't mean being violent and being violent certainly doesn't mean being an anarchist.

We anarchists are simply people who reject any system in which some people are given power over others. We reject coercion be it from the state, from corporations, or from vanguards claiming to be revolutionaries.

While I personally embrace nonviolence, I can understand the impulse of some within the demonstration to protect the people around them by fighting back against police who are attacking an unarmed population. To dismiss those who fight back as infiltrators or hotheaded youth is to oversimplify the situation.

Rocks, bottles, and molotov cocktails pose a relatively small threat to riot police armed with tear gas, rubber bullets, body armor, and armored vehicles.

And even the violence of the police pales in comparison to the military and economic violence of the G-8.

Here's a good look at "crowd control" G8 police style. All I hear are insults from protesters and sticks thrown. The police react with heavy boots, body armor and wild swinging batons.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=520_1180794104&p=1

It's very difficult to remain true to your principled goal, CRotondo, in the face of historic reality, PJD. However, the Decent Human Being would try very hard to stay true to CRotondo's path for not doing so would lower the individual to the level of that which is despised and loathed above all and the incentive for taking the higher path in the first place. Yet, such a position doesn't mean the individual ignores learning the arts of self-defence.

It is just such reasoning why myself and others cannot support Gore or the system he represents and has rendered murdurous support for in the past. At every G-8, it's wise to remember Genoa 2001 where Bush, Rice et al were warned of possible attack by hijacked airliner and spent their nights abord an aircraft carrier surrounded by support vessels in a no-fly zone with active 24/7 airborne survellience, which puts the lie to never having been told of the possibility terrorists might use airplanes as weapons.

Overall, if we look at the current state of the anti-globalization movement, despite the situation in Iraq, much progress has occured: The IMF, World Bank and WTO are mortally destabilized; the progress toward the Bank of the South goes forward; microcredit-man gets Nobel Peace Prize; ability of US to dump below-cost ag products into the international market and undermine subsistence farmers--3/4s of world--has greatly diminished; and poor countries continue to thumb their nose at BigPharma's patents as the latter loses more lawsuits as more abuses are uncovered. It's difficult to keep a global perspective and tabs on what the Empire/system is doing and the resistence to it.

i dont think i want any nutsak magee backing me up in this revolution. thats gross save it for your porn pages. no porn either.

Crotondo,

Can you give an example of the sort of change we need ever taking place peacefully? No, Gandhi's movement was only one part of the movement for Indian independence - it also included a substantial armed faction.

As far as the police, I am convinced after witnessing their behavior at many demonstrations, that for the most part, only people with a particular not very nice personality aspire to be cops.

The Greens are out there. Join them.

Eery country on earth is seeing the beginnings of what lays in store for the masses of peoples.
Europes once proud record of less houts more vacation time, free or low cost medical, goernment forces who were peacekeeperss now actively particiapting in taking over other countrys, Balkans and Afghaistan African nations(Brit, French coverts);in partnership with US firms is now having to lower their citizen benefits and calling for increased productivity.

World wide buisness is demanding, maximumization of profit even at the expence of their labor forces.
Every Euro centric country largest employers are the government itself.
There are no real national banks that depend solely upon their own nations savings or industry but are interconnected with others world wide.
There are only so many intellectually challenging jobs and careers in the emreging technological and industrial fields and every euro centric is now reaching out to Asian or any country to offshore for low tech workers and recruiting hi tech for managemnt or research positions domesticly.
Newer more modern factorys built overseas take less workers but produce and garner over 2.5 times the productivity of domestic plants even 5 years of age. It is cheaper to build overseas for any nation.
The American worker is now a low wage industrial resource, workinbg in new factorys built by overseas concerns and still they are not keeping even in real wages and will not level out until the deliberate decline in dollar matches Mexico,Canada and Latin Americas.
If Europes people do not think that they too are going in the same direction just take a lok at France and the very thin edge they are are facing due to changes their Gov says are neccessary.
Greens will go the way of the dodo and already some of their agreements can be questioned as to whom they are realy representing, playing give and take politics, in order not to cause civil unrest.
No one wants an armed revolution and that is the reason the masses will continue to decline in living standards in the future.
Euro centrics have an aged population and the world is ready with a lot younger better trained and billions of people in poverty backgrounds that will lead them to take any wages in order to survive.
The revolution has already begun, years ago, it is just that while everyone was chewing contentedly like cows in a green pasture the new economic framers and farmer was putting in place ways to milk them until dry and raising a replacement herd in the stalls.
Why the cry against globalization?
Mainly because the white Eurocentric is now living in fear, but mainly hiding it with humanity issues, of both the intelligence and the numbers of dark skinned non Euros they find themselves competing and losing to.

Hey police!
Follow the money! oh.... thats what their doing already..

Do you honestly believe that violently opposing the police in a situation where the most powerful and organized militarized police force is an obstacle is feasible? When you romanticize the concept of an "armed revolution" you simply justify the vitriolic verbal and blatantly violent attacks upon revolutionaries. What is more revolutionary, an outmoded notion of anarchy via Molotovs and guerrilla warfare, or a concept of the society which we wish to see, a realization of our collective vision of the world? The police are a buffer designed to redirect our outrage and to prevent us from reaching those whom we wish to condemn and disable. They are members of the working class, only able to sell themselves to the very powers which the movement opposes, and subject to deliberate, extensive indoctrination and fear tactics. We must prove to all of civil society, including police, that we have a more humane, progressive, sustainable, and egalitarian alternative to the system that currently dominates. Do you believe that this is possible through the exclusion and threatening of a section of civil society? Not all police are sociopaths who delight in bludgeoning protesters, and many are just as fearful of and disenchanted with those mechanisms which the movement opposes. Our challenge, as always, is to make our demands and alternatives resonate with every sector of civil society and to prove the necessity and grand advantages of joining in our collective resistance. We cannot simply murder them all. What kind of world would we then live in? I am unwilling to trade one despotic tyrrany of corporate leadership who employ violent repression for another that is simply lead by less villianous characters.

The police do NOT have the same interests as the protesters; that is the sick, stupid naiveté. People join violent jobs like the police force and the army because they are intensely ugly inside; they are right wingers and want to kill any dissent among the people that they can. Educated, conscious anti-globalization protesters, on the contrary, actually know what the G8 summit et. all means and are trying to do something to stop it. They have different interests. Hide Behind is right that the police are already there, infiltrating the groups and trying to sabotage these events. In Italy there was even a series of convictions where the police had tried to setup/frame many of the protestors, planting molotov cocktails on them, etc, to make sure they were convicted for peacefully protesting. The right wing police will never be on our side. You might as well suggest that we include the FBI in our discussions here.

http://www.dreamingearth.net

We know the score 1 more for the established systems and zero for the ones who are trying to wake up rest of world to harms of globalization.
A remark "to incorproate the police?" Hell, every demonstration group in Euro and US has police within it and the only truth they care about is the paycheck and promotions when they turn members in.
In the US we have one issue possible terrorism supects that range from Save the Whales to Christ Saves goups all being watched by your local police for the system.
The police are incoporated already they work for the Corporations but the taxpayers supportt them.
That statement has to rank right up there with "I don't support the War but I do support the troops"? So we send more money to the troops to carry on with the war and we buy them even more specialized equipment so they won't get hurt while doing it.
The tactic is to keep groups divided by monetary means, cause disruptions during demonstrations by paid agents or at the least to argue for violence from the inside, and keep the populace always afraid to join the radicals.
Grab your bottles of water, go home to your apartments, throw down your signs and pretty costumes and get ready to go on a vacation to a country where your money is more valuable than at home.
A fear of violence is why they keep guns in the hands of cops, and keeps people who know the truth from doing anything other than march, get beat on the head, violent or not as they cry, Look at me, look at me and I told you so, I told you so.
Makes for good macho horsecrap at the next cafe over coffee as you figure what to write on next demos signs and clap each other on the back on how successfull the last demo was.
You showed them, didn't you!
Martyrs on the cheap.
When will it become politicly unable to resist? It already is but deliberate ignorance of that fact lives on long after the fact is dead and gone.

does anyone think that perhaps the way forward might need to incorporate the police into these activities? i mean, their interests are the same as the protesters after all...i'm thinking that police solidarity might be the only way to really step things up.

The only thing the media cares about is sensationalizing the acts of a few rowdy anarchists....

Well, whether it was just a few anarchists or not, it got the world's attention, didn't it. How much attention do "peaceful" protests, like that pathetic thing in DC last January, or Move-on-to-sell-out's candle vigils get?

The gloves have got to come off people!

Such unfortunate reporting.

A two minute blurb on cable news simply zeroed in on the fact that some of the protesters were just anarchist teens from all over Europe there just to fight with police. Even if that is true, why were there over 20,000 others in the streets? And, as in this article, not a mention as to WHY there was a protest in the first place.

And our media reporting isn't controlled?

Wounding police officers can be justified; they wound protesters without provocation so often... we are running out of time and political channels to stop the globalizing, global warming, war-waging scum. We need a way to really stop them.

http://www.dreamingearth.net

"Organisers of the march — a collection of anti-globalisation and anti-poverty groups — claimed 80,000 people had taken part."

I read this as the demonstrators protesting Globalization and Poverty.

AS usual, not a word about why the people were protesting (other thant "to voice their distaste with for the policies..." or what is at stake. The only thing the media cares about is sensationalizing the acts of a few rowdy anarchists.

My gloves are off.
My eyes are open.
Vote Kucinich if you want the US out of NAFTA, WTO, a world worth living in.
Otherwise, vote for the corporate puppets.