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Why The Presidency Matters, And Why It’s Okay To Believe So
Eric Alterman just published a massive essay in The Nation, entitled "Kabuki Democracy: Why a Progressive Presidency Is Impossible, for Now"
I don't recommend it.
First, it's damn hard to find a thesis in this extended disquisition. The article does a fine job of cataloguing the many ills that beset American democracy today (no wonder it's so long), but is far less clear about answering its own title question. In fact, not only does Alterman not answer the question substantively, he doesn't even - as far as I could see - provide a thesis statement identifying his argument. As near as I can tell it is that the campaign finance system and the media in America are so polluted that no president could actually govern as a progressive. I already get that this country badly needs reform of those two sectors of our political system - I sure don't need any convincing there. But the next step is altogether missing. Elaboration of the argument as to why these malignancies necessarily preclude a progressive presidency was sorely missing from the piece.
Even so, I thought the thing was more or less worth reading for its thorough chronicling of what ails us today. Until I got tot the end, that is, when I badly wanted to hurl as I read the final substantive paragraph of the essay: "What's more, one hypothesis - one I'm tempted to share - for the Obama administration's willingness to compromise so extensively on the promises that candidate Obama made during the 2008 campaign would be that as president, he is playing for time. Obama is taking the best deal on the table today, but hopes and expects that once he is re-elected in 2012 - a pretty strong bet, I'd say - he will build on the foundations laid during his first term to bring on the fundamental ‘change' that is not possible in today's environment. This would be consistent with FDR's strategy during his second term and makes a kind of sense when one considers the nature of the opposition he faces today and the likelihood that it will discredit itself following a takeover of one or both houses in 2010. For that strategy to make sense, however, 2013 will have to provide a more pregnant sense of progressive possibility than 2009 did, and that will take a great deal of work by the rest of us."
Do I really have this straight? Alterman believes that by allowing the right to crawl back up off the mat it had leveled itself upon less than two years ago, by alienating progressives and moderate voters in droves, by not improving any of the crisis situations on his plate, by failing to defend his policies from the worst sort of excoriation from insane troglodyte freaks, by giving the GOP control of one or both branches of Congress (and thus also investigatory power - can you say "Whitewater"? "Vince Foster"? "Monica"?), and by running a recession with massive unemployment for the full length of his term, it's a "pretty strong bet" that Obama is supposed to get reelected in 2012? My god, are you using the word "bet" literally, man? Can I get some serious action against that proposition?!?!
Oh, but there's more. Then, once reelected, he's going to morph from a right-wing plutocrat carrying out the agenda of George W. Bush's third term into some kind of reborn progressive? He'll shut down Afghanistan, restore civil liberties, get all that money back from Wall Street, raid BP's coffers, unwind the offshore oil plots he's opened for development, slash military spending, restore taxes on the rich, make Israel stop building settlements, quit defending the Defense of Marriage Act in the courts, force Sonya Sotomayor and Elena Kagan to resign and replace them with real progressives, reel in his idiotic health care bonanza for insurance companies and pass real socialized medicine instead, fire all the Republicans and Goldman Sachs retreads in his cabinet, and lead the world into taking serious action on global warming? Is that you notion, Eric? Oh, and that he'll do all this without any support from left, right or center, having alienated them all, and despite the fact that he will be a lame-duck president, and despite the fact the presidents almost always do far less in their second terms than their first, and despite the fact that in part that is because they also almost always have a major second-term scandal explode in their face?
Puhlease.
That's ludicrous. Most importantly, though, what is wrong with Alterman's take on Obama is that he fundamentally misunderstands the nature of the American presidency (as does Obama himself, assuming - as I most certainly do not - that this president is something other than a right-wing hack at his core). This shows up emphatically in Alterman's phrasing just in the single paragraph quoted above. When he talks about Obama "taking the best deal on the table today" so that later he can "bring on the fundamental ‘change' that is not possible in today's environment", he unfortunately demonstrates how little he understands of American politics.
Let me be blunt. Strong and successful presidents (meaning those who get what they want - whether that happens to be good for the country or not) do not accept "the best deal on the table". They take out their carpentry tools and the build the goddam piece of furniture themselves. Strong and successful presidents do not get dictated to by the political environment. They reshape the environment into one that is conducive to their political aspirations.
In short, strong and successful presidents are the bat, not the ball.
It's absolutely true that presidents are not the be-all and end-all of American politics. I (mostly) sympathize with the (sometimes too politically correct) notion that we need to emphasize strong advocacy movements to force change where it would otherwise not happen. First, of all, this is certainly true for the far-more-frequent-than-not occasions when there is not a progressive in the White House (such as the last half a century now, for instance). And even when that's not the case, strong movements make it easier for progressive presidents to go further, faster. So, heck yes - let's do some serious movement building, and absolutely, let's never rely on electoral solutions exclusively.
At the same time, however, taking that logic too far to its extreme negates both the principles of democracy and the evidence of history. In the former case, to argue that presidents cannot matter is to argue that American democracy is entirely false. I might be willing to accept that argument if I saw it actually made - as opposed to the bumper-sticker version - but I haven't, and so I don't. And I especially don't because of the presidencies of Franklin Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson. It takes no small degree of historical revisionism to pretend that these two individuals didn't advance the ball for progressivism way down the field by virtue of their actions as president. They did. And unless something has changed dramatically in the structure of American governance since that time (again, I need to see the argument to be persuaded of that), then I see no reason it could not happen again.
While we're making a list of presidents who mattered, we have to hold our noses and include Reagan and the Boy Bush. Of course they wrecked the country. Of course they told dramatically dishonest lies to the public. Of course they sold out the very people they were pretending to be serving and defending. In a way, that's just the point. Look at what you can get away with if you get serious about communications strategy in the White House. Look at what George W. Caligula did in his first term, without solid majorities in Congress, without (mostly) real crises, without (mostly) a public mandate, without international good will, and without either good common sense ideas or respect for the established traditions of American domestic and especially foreign policy.
Alternatively, look at how little Half o'Bama has done, with all these same powerful winds in his sails that Bush lacked. Forget about the stimulus bill, the health care bill and the financial regulation bill. They're all nothingburgers, which is evident as much by the lack of public support they have engendered as by the absence of corporate antipathy in reaction to them. Obama had everything going for him had he wanted to legitimately be a transformative president. He had perfect raw material, not least including a hated GOP and the definitive exposure of the public's real enemies in the form of Wall Street bank predators and rapacious oil companies.
Sure, there would have been resistance. But if he had been inclined to really do the job, and if he had been smart, he could have used the force of that resistance adroitly against the regressive resisters themselves, like a clever practitioner of political jujitsu. Instead, he did they opposite, and they have now miraculously revived themselves. It's as if Adolph Hitler had staged a comeback in 1947, without even acknowledging, let alone atoning for, the destruction he had wrought over the prior decade. "More war, more genocide!" might have been the new campaign slogan. "The problem isn't what we did, but that we didn't do it enough!" Heck, take out the genocide part (though a million dead Iraqis might disagree even with that bit of generosity) and substitute tax cuts for the rich, and today's GOP could basically run under the same banner: "More war, less taxes". Great work, Barack, bringing the Republican Party back from the dead. You know you're a useless punk when you're getting rolled by the likes of Sarah Palin. Or at least you should know - it's even sadder when you're so lame you don't even realize your ship is sinking.
But I digress.
My point is that successful presidents will minimally exploit the opportunities given to them, something the Obama administration has utterly failed to do. More importantly, though, they make their own realities when the one they've inherited is unfavorable to their agenda. This is so critical right now, because the single biggest deficiency for progressives on the national stage is that we're being pummeled in the war of narratives. Indeed, we're not even in the arena. I cannot think of a single prominent voice in American politics today articulating a genuinely progressive agenda and, more crucially, pitching a progressive frame for the understanding of what ails us. There is no Rush Limbaugh or George W. Bush of the left. No one even close. This is all the more astonishing for three reasons. First, because progressive ideas - such as fighting discrimination, environmental protection or regulation of the private sector - have a long and esteemed history of great success. Second, because regressive policy prescriptions - such as tax cuts, needless wars or deregulation - could not possibly have blown up in our faces more obviously and more emphatically than they have this last decade. And, third, because the logical benefits of progressive solutions are often so plainly transparent to anyone with half a brain.
Given all these factors, it would be so easy to make the sale, if only there was a salesman. But since there hasn't been for a long, long time, deeply destructive sheer idiocy, like the effluent that spews from the sewers that are Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck's mouths, is uncontested and our politics somehow miraculously gets stupider daily, just when you thought that was no longer physically possible.
Regrettably, Eric Alterman's article has given us no evidence whatsoever that a progressive presidency is "impossible" right now. To put it in stark, non-abstract terms, what would have happened if Barack Obama had used his mandate and the set of enormously favorable conditions surrounding his inauguration to be a progressive president, and if he had sold those ideas as effectively as Bush or Reagan or Johnson or Roosevelt did in their respective days? Alterman never answers this question. Would the blogosphere and talk radio go ballistic? Would pundits and paid hacks make up huge lies about him that millions of dopes would actually believe? Would he encounter stiff opposition in Congress? Would his poll ratings drop twenty points? Would his reelection prospects and those of fellow Democrats be imperiled?
Of course, all those things are precisely what has happened!! Except that they happened as Obama has pursued a non-progressive agenda, non-boldly. So, given that he has already paid every imaginable penalty for not being progressive, what exactly would be the cost of instead pursuing progressive politics? What additional stumbling block remains to make a progressive presidency "impossible"?
Many progressives feel that it's a mistake to focus so much energy on electoral politics generally, and presidential politics specifically. I certainly agree that movement organization is crucial, and that there is some point after which enough focus on electoral politics transitions into being too much. But I might dispute where that point is. The presidency remains crucial. There is no other soapbox in the country - or even the world - that comes close to the power of the White House bully pulpit.
And that power would be hugely magnified if the bully pulpit was not only used properly and effectively, but also infused with some absurdly necessary truth-telling. What if we had a president who made it issue number one to tell the American people that its government is for sale to special interests and this must be stopped right away? How hard a pitch would that be? How foolish would Republicans look in opposing that idea? How self-destructive would their defense of the status quo be? And how huge a difference would this make in American government, across the board, if we could finally break the stranglehold of money over government?
Imagine if a progressive president explained to the American public how badly they've been wounded by regressive economic policies for three decades now, which have shifted wealth in this country back to nineteenth century-style distributions, have left the middle class tattered and insecure, and have rendered the federal government drowning in debt. What if that president led the way toward the reform of tax and trade and labor laws so that this kleptocratic imbalance could be rectified? How hard would that be? How much would the debate change if the White House was shaping it in a full court press every day? How clearly would the opposition be perceived to be the tool of plutocrats, especially if the president called them just that, and pointed out the connections?
What if we had a president who honestly told us that the Iraq war was based on lies, and gave us the evidence for that? What if he informed Americans that, while their schools and roads and local governments were falling apart from resource starvation, their country spends more on ‘defense' from a non-existent enemy than all the other countries in the world combined? Could you not maybe sell massive cuts in military spending if you told the truth, made a ridiculously logical argument, and said it loudly, repeatedly and boldly? Wouldn't people really rather have schools than expensive military bloat that does nothing for national security?
What if the president had the courage to tell the public that our for-profit health care system costs us vastly more than any other country's in the world, and still does not provide health care for tens of millions of people, leaving the quality of the US model ranked almost fortieth on the planet, according to the World Health Organization? How many American have the slightest clue as to how the American system compares to those of other developed countries? I would bet that very few do. In fact, it's worse than that. I'd bet most Americans suffer under the corporate-promulgated and regressive-promoted illusion that the systems in Britain and Canada and elsewhere are abysmal. That's because, in part, nobody - including no president - has ever had the guts and an interest in selling a counter-narrative, which also just happens to be true.
We could go on and on here, but the point is made. There is no persuasive power in the country anything like the presidency, and if we had a bold progressive in that position, articulating a truthful counter-narrative to the endless lies we get from the right and from the talking heads of the media (both avowed right-wing screamers and the mainstreamers who pretend to be dispassionate centrists), it would massively change the dynamic of politics in America.
There's even a certain efficiency argument to be made here. You get a lot more progressive bang for your buck by just putting one good person in the Oval Office than you do by the long and hard and expensive work of movement organizing. In the end, though, both kinds of political work are critical. Neither should be dismissed.
Progressives were right to be hopeful in 2008. A bold progressive president would have had a dramatic and sustained impact on American politics for generations, changing not only policy today, but sticking a spike tomorrow though the heart of right-wing vampires who have long been bleeding the country dry.
That Barack Obama is not remotely that person does not mean that it's impossible to have a progressive president.
Or that the presidency doesn't matter.
It does.


184 Comments so far
Show All"Elaboration of the argument as to why these malignancies necessarily preclude a progressive presidency was sorely missing from the piece." It might have to do with Capital.
The Democratic and Republican presidential candidates are all vetted by the moneyed class well before they are allowed in the ring.
This article says it all about the left's bend over backwards come up with anything to defend the guy despite the fact that he is actually codifying the horrendous criminal work that boy Bush did, and despite the fact that thus far and likely forever this is the central contribution that this president will make to the world.
I believe the article claims quite the opposite; did you actually read it?
But to answer DMG's question of what would happen if Obama spoke the truth, my concern is that Wall Street would have the press cry about "harm to the economy"; stocks would tumble; banks would freak out and cry louder; businesses would shrivel or collapse; and the system built on capitalism would dry up funds for the average person even more.
Which of course is why we need alternatives to the existing system, or a serious modification of it, that only the bully pulpit of President MIGHT articulate. In any event, give me DMG for a presidential advisor, or better still--President--any day.
Wait a minute. You believe the article claims the opposite, that is it's showing how the left is actually overly critical of Obama... Okay, I guess I'm wondering if you read the article? And then to your later point, that the entire world would crawl into a shell if Obama stepped in and actually started to effect true reform. That reminds me of a guy I was talking to at my son's basketball game who claimed if we pulled out of Afghanistan, the Afghan people would come over here and "steal our money."
I think that the previous commenter was referring to the Alterman article that Green was criticizing.
Well, the commie socialist Green tells us how great it would be to have a commie socialist President that's even more commie and socialist than B. Lenin Obama. What if our President told us defense was unimportant? That those Muslims all love us? That our fine and brave soldiers were prostituting themselves for Exxon and the rich? That our gov'mint should steal our wages with endless taxation and 'redistribute' it to worthless bums? What if we had to 'take a number' and wait 2 weeks to have a broken bone set by some socialist doctor? What if your gov'mint told you who to marry and how many children you were allowed? What if your gov'mint death panel said, "Now is your time to die?"
Learn to enjoy our Kabuki. That's all there is.
What if you actually studied history and political trends.....what if you actually understood the subject and what if you actually could post literate and meaningful offerings...
Well, I just had to laugh.
Pretty hollow.
the echos last a long time
That self-explanation explains a great deal about your posts.
Thanks, I guess.?
You were writing satirically, right?
The satire only works when it is capable of exaggerating to absurdity the views of ones opponents. But one regularly hears exactly the absurdities you wrote from the US right every day. And, your giveaway, the line about the solders fighting for Exxon and the rich, was vanishingly subtle.
My weak mind was unable to come up with much more absurdity than we currently hear from the far right. I'm no Jonathan Swift. Certainly in this day and age, absurdity is in the mind of the beholder.
"Certainly in this day and age, absurdity is in the mind of the beholder."
All too true, unfortunately.
"That our fine and brave soldiers were prostituting themselves for Exxon and the rich?"
They are.
By golly, you noticed also?
Baloney, Greg R!!
What you're predicting will never, ever happen, because Barack Obama isn't even the next thing TO a socialist, and in countries like Canada and the European countries, one won't have to wait 2 weeks before getting a broken bone set.
Well, I never! (bluster, sputter, spit) Hurumph.
"So, given that he has already paid every imaginable penalty for not being progressive, what exactly would be the cost of instead pursuing progressive politics?"
My guess would be his future seat on the board of BP, General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, Goldman Sachs, Aetna, Wal-Mart...
Plus future lucrative employment for his daughters and Michelle. I read a comment over at the Clinton mansion buy that Chelsea got a nice lucrative employment deal at a hedge fund. If NAFTA had not gone through where would Chelsea be? Well, I'm sure she would have done just fine -- but it might not have been an easy read to mega-riches. The Clintons are now royalty, the Obamas are on their way. The cost of Bush's new digs after he left the WH was downright puny in price compared to the Clintons -- and there was hell raised about the Bush purchase. But for the Clinton adoration society this purchase is befitting for an ex-President like Clinton.
ha! bingo! nicely played.
Green interestingly enough makes the same error that he accuses Alterman of making: he asserts a reality without evidence.
Green essentially is saying the system still works, but that for whatever reason (which he does NOT say) a "progressive" presidency is not occuring. But it COULD, he says. The closest he gets to explaining why we don't have a progressive presidency is that apparently the left doesn't get involved in electoral politics, which is incorrect on two levels. The first is that they do (but the energy is dispersed between those working for candidates who are genuine center left and the far greater number who wind up working for the "lesser evil" candidate that the party invariably nominates.
So to loosely borrow from Green's own thesis--I'll believe the system works when someone shows me an argument that it does, because in Green's piece, we haven't had one since Johnson and a lot of things have changed since then. Green doesn't explain why we've waited this long.
This piece is a step backward for Green.
He gave both evidence and historical perspective. You just won't see it. I wonder why.
Continue wondering. He did *not* give evidence for the central point he is making, which is that a "progressive" can, in fact, get elected. By his own admission, it hadn't happened since Johnson. So DMG's on the hook for explaining why that is, the same hook he hoists Alterman on (and I despise Alterman).
He says he's open to the case that the system is no longer functional, but he has yet to see an argument made for that point. That is a falsehood. There are plenty of cases made for that point, some admittedly better than others. And DMG himself has flirted with the idea over the last year or so, which means he's certainly thinking about it but can't quite get over the hump. So how can he malign Alterman for what is, essentially, the same intellectual crime?
I don't dispute his history. The problem is, his use of that history assumes that conditions have remained largely static in electoral politics. I think that assumption is questionable and he certainly does not "prove" it.
This is where liberals are right now. In a nice, cushy crisis of their own. And you can see that in DMGs piece.
Drone, I think Green doesn't specifically state his theory of why the Obama admin is not progressive because it's the elephant in the room. And he leaves it to the reader to draw their own conclusion.
It's because O-man and the people who created the Obama brand are not and have NEVER been progressive. They used progressive catch phrases during the last campaign to lure progressive voters away from other candidates. Obama has NEVER pushed progressive issues outside an opportunistic arena.
Obama is a trojan horse for the corporate/plutocratic agenda. He has never beeen anything else.
IOWA: Great posts. You and Rich M have such uncannily keen bull-shit detectors. Thanks for sharing your insights in the forum!
I'm also a red, so I know that. I was just critquing Green with his own standards. No ill will, really. He's moving--slowly--but he is, and that's a plus.
This is a great article. I'm so tired of people complaining about the "opposition" this president faces, both from Congress and the right wing world. This president's only substantial opposition comes from his advisors and his own right wing leanings, as David espouses. If people would take the blinders off they would see the fallacy they claim as a progressive president in Barack Obama. This man fought against the public option, never considered single payer, and made sweet heart deals with health industry corporations. He put at least 40% of tax cuts in the stimulus bill, even though every progressive economist worth his salt said they would have a negligible effect. And he fought the inclusion of the most effective solutions to the financial disaster that befell America in 2008 in the financial reform bill. The Merkley-Levin amendment, that would've restored Glass-Steagell was lobbied against by this white house, and with decent republican support, the democrats voted against it and killed it. I'm sorry, if Bush would've done these same things, progressives would've been howling from hills, and they would've been right to do so.
We let Bill Clinton get away with the very same things we are letting Obama get away with, selling out progressives and progressive policy solutions, by excusing it away with fallacies like the congress made him do it, when that plainly isn't the case. This president has used his strong arm tactics with only progressives in congress, while letting the likes of Ben Nelson, Joe Lieberman, Max Baucus, and Blanche Lincoln stab in him the back, so don't tell me the congress made this president accept the same destructive prescriptions advocated by Clinton in the 90's. We now know what Clinton did, and how his destructive policies contributed to the crash of the economy in 2008, as well as the continuing of corporate america's grip over our political process. Will we let Obama leave the White House having done nothing to drastically reform and improve the current system by closing our eyes and trying to sell the lie, this is the best he could get from this congress, when it plainly isn't the case.
When, not if, Obama loses in 2012, he will have no one to blame but himself. It will be the people he hired to advise him and his own insecurities and conservative tendencies that will be the cause. This president is more concerned with what the villagers of the beltway media report about him, than actually being a truly effective, transformative president. Such as the nonsense being perpetuated about this president's success by passing major legislation in his first 2 yrs, never mind that legislation does nothing to actually address the ills it was proposed to fix. Too bad too many progressives are willing to make excuses for him, and not hold him to account for his failures. There is no truth to the myth that if we overtly criticize this president we weaken him. Look at the polls, he is severely weakened, and it has to do with the fact he fails the test of progressive leadership. So that myth is disproven with the current polls showing declining approval numbers.
We progressives need to wake the hell up and push this president, lest we wake the day after November 2012 election and look out at the landscape with nothing substantially changed, a Republican in the White House, republicans in control of congress again, and the likelihood of more conservative, right wing, activist hacks being put on the Supreme Court. In other words, we will have no one to blame but ourselves when this day will inevitably come, if we continue with the kid gloves approach to pushing Obama to do the right thing.
Why do the progressives in Congress vote for this legislation that you think is so awful? Shouldn't you be pushing Bernie Sanders and Russ Feingold NOT to vote for it rather than hoping that Obama, whom you clearly dislike and don't think is remotely progressive, will change his mind. Why don't you criticize them?
P.S. Obama will win in 2012.
P.P.S. Can you at least acknowledge that Obama has to govern for the whole country - not just progressives - and work with a Congress that is hardly progressive? Having said that, I would like to see Obama pass one major initiative that is truly progressive - throw a bone to the base that isn't watered down. But I think it's tougher to do than your acknowledging.
I think your fallacy is exactly what Green is pointing out, that the presidency does matter. It sucks that so many progressives have caved to Obama, but as long Obama is president that's going to happen over and over. The presidency, my friend, matters far more than most will acknowledge. Look at boy Bush and the Reagan revolution. Unfortunately, for whatever reason but most likely because he's an elite half white man, people on the left will forgive and make excuses for Obama when his true inner self, if he has one, appears to be full bloodied Neocon, as witness his hilarious remarks about killing the Jonah's brothers using the same method he's been killing children in Pakistan. So, now the run around we're getting from people like Alterman, is that Obama is just biding his time until his second term when the true Obama will come out. It's a puerile argument, a little like the chimp with his hands over his eyes, hear no evil etc.
Yes. The presidency does matter.
From Michael Sean Winters' July 16, 2010 column ("Distinctly Catholic") in The National Catholic Reporter:
"Earlier this week, we had a quote from FDR’s first inaugural address. This is from his 1936 speech accepting the nomination of the Democratic Party for re-election. With President Obama poised to sign the financial reform regulation, it is good for Democrats to remember our roots:
'Through new uses of corporations, banks and securities, new machinery of industry and agriculture, of labor and capital – all undreamed of by the Fathers – the whole structure of modern life was impressed into this royal service…The privileged princes of these new economic dynasties, thirsting for power, reached out for control of government itself. They created a new despotism and wrapped it in the robes of legal sanction. In its service new mercenaries sought to regiment the people, their labor and their property…Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of the Government. The collapse of 1929 showed up the despotism for what is was. The election of 1932 was the people’s mandate to end it. Under that mandate it is being ended.'"
The elephant in the room of this whole piece is simply the fact that most people in the country don't agree with Green/the left. That is, the majority of the country is not progressive. Why is this? Until the left can answer this question, we're going to get more circle-jerking essays like this that make no effort to see the world as it is, particularly on the political side of things.
For starters, here are two things I don't get:
1)Why the left (of which I am one by the way) thinks single payer was even remotely possible when we saw where the votes were (or weren't as the reality is unfortunately) for even a weak public option. And how long it took even to get this weak but "step in the right direction" health care bill. So, the criticism from the left reigns down on Obama because he didn't play along in the left's fantasy game where 60 votes could apparently be easily had for a complete overhaul of the U.S. medical system.
2)Obama campaigned for two years on escalating the war in Afghanistan. Why does the left insist on pretending that they were double-crossed or something on this issue? I'd love to see the troops come home right now but I'm not walking around pretending I voted for Obama because I thought he was going to do it.
The point of the above examples is I would like to see the left see the world as it is not as they imagine it to be, where everyone really agrees with them, it's just a matter of the President enacting their agenda. No, the majority of the country is not where David Green is which is the whole problem. More energy needs to go into figuring out why and then acting on the reasons instead of criticizing Obama who, to my eyes, is about as progressive as the country wants him to be and the system allows him to be at the moment.
I'm interested in how to change minds and essays like this do not accomplish that goal - it's just preaching to the converted.
I'll answer the single-payer part, and I saw video on YouTube that doctors in Canada recorded to instruct Obama on how to present it to the public. First of all, you call it by its right name, Medicare for All -- being a program that everyone understands -- and you talk about it and the merits constantly. Whenever a poll was conducted that used the word Medicare -- as opposed to single payer or public option -- the numbers were already high among the public in favor of it.
With major leadership and guts from Obama this could have been done. The naysayers in Congress would have been put to shame. The WH took single-payer, i.e. Medicare for ALL off the table.
Almost every piece of legislation could have been far more progressive with real leadership, but that wasn't the plan -- and the WH was always the key player when it came to knocking down anything that was non-corporate-friendly or progressive.
Another thing that would have helped would have been, of course, the showing of protests for Medicare for All, sit-downs at insurance company offices. Heck, the MSM didn't even show the protests at the initial Wall Street bailout. Those videos only showed up on the internet, as did the health-care protests. I'm pretty sure the WH -- maybe with Rahmbo at the forefront -- supports the loony teabaggers, doesn't really have a problem with Fox News, the Party of No, because they are terrific for Obama. They give him cover to water down, concede, or say hey, this is best we could do, it's their fault, they're the obstructionist.
I learned a lot since the 2008 campaign. I've connected all the dots with the extensive reading I've done, and I've concluded that it's all one big show. All I really want right now, here in Suffolk County, New York, is a line in the booth that either has independent choices or one that reads "none of the above" so at least I would count as having voted, but show in a concrete way my disgust with this whole show.
Obama of Oz -- "The Great Obama has spoken. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, the Great Obama has spoken." Fortunately Toto pulls the curtain back. The "wizard," of course, was not a bad man -- unlike Obama.
It's Saturday and Obama is in Bar Harbor. Could he take a moment to come out forcefully on oh, let's say the 3+ million people that will be without unemployment benefits as of this month? Forceful leadership on that? Of course not. He's too busy yukking it up for the cameras, flashing the pearly whites, and his adoring fans are watching his every move -- oh, isn't the Obama family adorable, isn't it wonderful how together they are, how much they love each other, etc. -- while families across America and in other parts of the world are being torn apart and destroyed. That's my problem with this POTUS and his vacations.
Well, that was a long rant. Thank you for listening:)
Oops, update: Obama came out on unemployment: "Obama SLAMS Republican ..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/17/obama-slams-republicans-f_n_650007.html
I'm being a little sarcastic of course -- this really is not news, but his shrinking base loves it.
I live in Canada so be assured I like single payer. I just don't think it's possible to institute in the U.S. any way but incrementally. I can't believe you think during a recession, Obama, with nothing but rhetorical flourish, would have been able to persuade a nation of 300 million people, never mind the Blue Dog Democrats, that the health care system should be completely overhauled in one fell swoop. It's just not realistic. You think Joe Lieberman would have voted for single payer when he held up the watered down bill that did get passed because it dared to even have a public option? Ben Nelson of Nebraska - he who is happy to vote with the Republicans to deny unemployment insurance benefits to millions out of work - would have voted for single payer?
You're dreaming man. And look how long it took Obama to even get this bill passed. Surely, the idea of completely overhauling everyone in the entire nation's health care, putting insurance co's and HMO's out of business, and the mammoth bureaucracy involved in pursuing such a policy all at once might have been fought with a bit of resistance, no? So, with a recession, two wars, terrorist threats, an energy crisis, two auto companies going out of business, immigration reform...and hundreds of other issues to be dealt with - and given how long it took and how much political capital was used up just to get 60 votes for a watered down health care bill - you can't see why the Obama White House calculated early on that pursuing single payer probably wasn't a wise move at this stage of the game?
Politics unfortunately is often the art of the compromise. I look at these policies in terms of whether Obama is moving the ball forward at all towards the progressive goal line and I conclude that he is. Given the system and the make-up of congress, this is what slow incremental progress looks like.
"You're dreaming man."
If you have some extra doubts to sow, try sowing them in the elite's garden, not the people's.
You don't get it. Lieberman was carrying Obama's water for him. Obama was NOT doing the best he could under the circumstances. Obama created the circumstances to get the bill he wanted from the start.
Don't forget that Obama made a back room deal with the corporations that there would be no public option, yet afterwards continued to act in his speeches like he was for it. The pressure was not against the public option. The pressure from the people was FOR the public option. So Obama used rhetoric to make it look like he was on the side of the public option while having his stooges, Emmanuel, Lieberman, Baucus, et. al., kill it.
The point is that Obama is not a progressive and doesn't want to implement a progressive reform agenda, but want to look like he is.
Things could be different if we had a real progressive leader in the White House. He could use a the bully pulpit and a grass roots approach to get real things done.
But for me that still begs the questions of how do we nominate someone like that. Forget 2012. We need to start organizing for the next real chance, 2016. We need to find some way to by pass the Plutocrats' Propaganda Machine AKA the mainstream media so a real progressive leader isn't marginalized from the start. We need to find some way to counter big money, because after Citizens United big money is going to be enormous.
Take cue from Karl Rove, who thinks the Repugs are too liberial. Line up the money and walk away from the Dems just like Karl is doing to the Repugs.
Then pick someone out of the phone book and start pumping him/her up. By 2010 Obummer and Palin will be running in circles. Trying to discredit this person. Looking for their transcripts and birth certificates..
Obama might even get the humar. Isn't how the Dims invented him??
>^^<
The Lieberman angle is often forgotten by people. Good old Joe would not have been a huge factor in health care debate but for Obama. The Dems -- in a short-lived show of spine -- was ready to strip old Joe of his chairmanships and basically banish him from the ranks after he endorsed and, indeed, campaigned for McCain. But The Obama said oh, no, we can't do that, Joe is one of my mentors and -- well, the rest is history. Lieberman was able to take center stage and proudly say I was for expanded Medicare before I was against it.
Can you say "Concern Troll"? You are so plainly wrong.
Huge majority for a public option. Did we get one? No.
Obama campaigned as someone who opposed Iran and wanted sensible wars. Did we get that? No.
Now go pick up your check.
There isn't a huge majority for the public option. There has been spot polling and it depends on how the question is worded. I know Chomsky thinks this is incorrect but look at actual polling. And regardless of that, you still need the 60 votes in the Senate. See here as to why that was unlikely:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/public-option-fight-may-not-have-been.html
Don't understand your comment about Iran and wars. You want him to oppose Iran and conduct sensible wars? Is war vs Iran sensible? You've lost me.
Your comment about trolls couldn't be a more perfect illustration of the exact point of my original post: there are far too many progressives that aren't interested in actually debating anyone or even believing that someone on the left could think differently than they do. Therefore, I must be pretending to think the way I do. This is a big reason why there are not more progressives.
Spot polling is more reliable than your 'concern'.
There isn't a huge majority for the public option. There has been spot polling and it depends on how the question is worded. I know Chomsky thinks this is incorrect but look at actual polling. And regardless of that, you still need the 60 votes in the Senate. See here as to why that was unlikely:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/public-option-fight-may-not-have-been.html
Don't understand your comment about Iran and wars. You want him to oppose Iran and conduct sensible wars? Is war vs Iran sensible? You've lost me.
Your comment about trolls couldn't be a more perfect illustration of the exact point of my original post: there are far too many progressives that aren't interested in actually debating anyone or even believing that someone on the left could think differently than they do. Therefore, I must be pretending to think the way I do. This is a big reason why there are not more progressives.
This is a big reason why there are not more progressives.
That sentence is ironic, given your philosophical 'argument'.
Your mind is set. Those who oppose your ideas, have none of their own. You ignore the rational arguments against your positions, and then pull a derisive allusion to how so many progressives just don't get it, in a manner not unlike a right wing talk show host.
The claim about needing 60 votes in the Senate is incorrect, given the fact that Harry Reid can chose at any time, to actually sidestep the procedural silent filibuster, and then force the Republican/Centrist Democratic political coalition in the Senate, to pay a political price for their stances. But that of course won't happen, because Harry Reid is just as devoted to a pro corporate agenda as Oilbomba is. The evidence of that is in heaps, and heaps to one, who might for one moment drop his/her political bias.
Also, Oilbomba never actively promoted the public option, quite to the contrary. He would send Rahm over to the House and Senate, not to try to fight for the public option, but to fight against it.
What is my mind set about exactly? I am saying a simple thing: where are the votes in Congress for a major progressive agenda? You at least attempt to address this in your response above which is more than I can say for some of the other posters here.
The political price would have been paid by Reid et al, not the Republican/Centrist/Democratic coalition if they had used reconciliation. Wasn't that obvious?
If one wants to argue that Obama is too cautious politically, I think that's a fair assessment. That is, he calculated that he didn't have the votes for a public option so didn't think it was worth the political capital to stick his neck out there too much and try and get the votes. I would agree with this. But that's not your argument. You take it way too far implying he was actually against it.
"he calculated that he didn't have the votes for a public option so didn't think it was worth the political capital to stick his neck out there too much and try and get the votes", thus "implying he was actually against it."
The public option was clearly popular, and thanks for all the 'concern'
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/senate-republicans/polls-in-key-states-public-option-far-more-popular-than-senate-plan/
and this was with a simple search.
As for you not understanding... I think you do.
The plum line poll is pretty weak. First off, as far as I can see, it surveys only some states. Secondly, it simply compares a bill with a public option compared to the Senate bill at the time of the poll. It doesn't mean that a bill with a public option would be wildly popular either.
"Obama campaigned ... and wanted sensible wars. Did we get that? No."
Do you actually believe that Obama was correct in calling for a "sensible war"? That has to be one of the best examples that I have heard recently of an oxymoron. I recall hearing many people label the Vietnam conflict a so-called sensible war also those many years ago. The last time that an alleged sensible war occurred was over sixty years in a war which saw the United States sustain minimal damage [as compared to Europe] on its territories which happened in Pearl Harbor in Hawaii.
"The economic root of imperialism is the desire of strong organized industrial and financial interests to secure and develop, at the public expense and by the public force, markets for their surplus goods and their surplus capital. War, militarism and a 'spirited foreign policy' are the necessary means to this end."-John Atkinson Hobson [1858-1940], English economist