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Why Are We in Afghanistan?
As Petraeus Takes Over, Could Success Be Worse Than Failure?
July 12, 2011, Washington, D.C. -- In triumphant testimony before a joint committee of Congress in which he was greeted on both sides of the aisle as a conquering hero, Gen. David Petraeus announced the withdrawal this month of the first 1,000 American troops from Afghanistan. "This is the beginning of the pledge the president made to the American people to draw down the surge troops sent in since 2009," he said, adding, "and yet let me emphasize, as I did when I took this job, that our commitment to the Afghan government and people is an enduringone."
Last July, when Gen. Petraeus replaced the discredited Gen. Stanley McChrystal as Afghan war commander, he was hailed as an "American hero" by Senator John McCain, as "the most talented officer of his generation" by the New Yorker's George Packer, and as "the nation's premier warrior-diplomat" by Karen DeYoung and Craig Whitlock of the Washington Post -- typical of the comments of both Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives at the time. Petraeus then promised that the United States was in Afghanistan "to win."
In the year since, the Taliban insurgency has been blunted and "a tipping point has been reached," says a senior U.S. military official with the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan, who could speak only on the condition of anonymity, in keeping with the policy of his organization. By every available measure -- IEDs or roadside bombs, suicide attacks, Taliban assassinations of local officials, allied casualties, and Afghan civilian casualties -- the intensity of the insurgency has weakened significantly. The Afghan military and police, though not capable of taking the lead in the fighting in their own country, have been noticeably strengthened by American and NATO training missions. President Hamid Karzai's government, still considered weak and corrupt, has succeeded in putting an Afghan face on the war.
Democratic critics of Gen. Petraeus, and of President Obama's surge strategy, were notably quiet this week as the general toured the capital's power hotspots from John Podesta's Center for American Progress to the American Enterprise Institute, while being feted as the hero of the moment and a potential presidential candidatein 2016. As in 2007, when he was appointed to oversee George W. Bush's surge in Iraq after the critics said it couldn't be done, the impressive charts the general brought to his congressional testimony once again vividly indicated otherwise. The situation in Afghanistan has undergone an Iraq-like change since the nadir of July 2010 when critics and proponents alike agreed that the nine-year-old war was foundering, the counterinsurgency strategy failing, and polling in the U.S. highlighted the war's increasing unpopularity.
"What a difference a year makes," said a jubilant senior official at the Pentagon. In just 12 months, as Gen. Petraeus likes to describe it, he managed to synchronizethe Afghan and Washington "clocks" and, in the process, as he had done in Iraq, took the news out of the war and the war out of the news. The latest Gallup poll indicates that up to 63% of Americans are now "supportive" of the general's approach to the Afghan War...
What Success Would Mean in Afghanistan
Okay, it hasn't happened yet -- and the odds are it never will. But for a moment, just imagine stories like that leading the news nationwide as our most political general in generations comes home to a grateful Washington.
By all accounts, the Afghan War could hardly be going worse today. Counterinsurgency, the strategy promoted by General McChrystal but conceived by General Petraeus, is seemingly in a ditch, while the Taliban are the ones surging. Around that reality has arisen a chorus of criticism and complaint, left, right, and center.
Failure breeds critics, you might say, the way dead bodies breed flies. Or put another way, it's easy enough to criticize a failing American project, but what about a successful one? What if Petraeus really turns out to be the miracle general of twenty-first century American war-making -- which, by the way, only means that he needs to "blunt" the Taliban surge (the modern definition of "winning," now that victory is no longer a part of the U.S. war-making lexicon)?
Today, the increasingly self-evident failure of American policy in Afghanistan is bringing enough calls for firm drawdown or withdrawal dates (or, from the Republicans, bitter complaints about the same) to exasperate President Obama. Under the circumstances, no one evidently wonders what success would really mean. We've been down so long, it seems, that few bother to consider what being up might involve.
Too bad. It's worth a thought. Let's say that Petraeus does return to Washington in what, these days, passes for triumph. The question is: So what? Or rather, could success in Afghanistan prove worse for Americans than failure?
Let's
imagine that, in July 2011, the U.S. military has tenuous control over
key parts of that country, including Kandahar, its second largest
city. It still has almost 100,000 troops (and at least a similar number of private contractors) in the country, while a slow drawdown of the 30,000 surge troops the president ordered into Afghanistan in December 2009 is underway. Similarly, the "civilian" surge, which tripled the State Department's personnel there, remains in place, as does the CIA surge that went with it -- and the contractor and base-building surges that went with them. In fact, the CIA drone war
in the Pakistani borderlands will undoubtedly have only escalated
further by July 2011. Experts expect the counterinsurgency campaign to continue
for years, even decades more; the NATO allies are heading for the
exits; and, again according to the experts, the Taliban, being
thoroughly interwoven with Afghanistan's Pashtun minority, simply
cannot in any normal sense be defeated.
This, then, would be "success" 10 years into America's Afghan war. Given the logistics nightmare of supporting so many troops, intelligence agents, civilian officials, and private contractors in the country, the approximately $7 billion a month now being spent there will undoubtedly be the price Americans are to pay for a long time to come (and that's surely a significant undercount, if you consider long-term wear-and-tear to the military as well as the price of future care for those badly wounded in body or mind).
The swollen Afghan army and police will still have to undergo continual training and, in a country with next to no government funds and (unlike Iraq) no oil or other resource revenues on the immediate horizon, they, too, will have to be paid for and supplied by Washington. And keep in mind that the U.S. Air Force will, for the foreseeable future, be the Afghan Air Force. In other words, success means that, however tenuously, Afghanistan is ours for years to come.
So what would we actually have to show for all this expenditure of money, effort, and lives?
We would be in minimalist possession of a fractious, ruined land, at war for three decades, and about as alien to, and far from, the United States as it's possible to be on this planet. We would be in minimalist possession of the world's fifth poorest country. We would be in minimal possession of the world's second most corrupt country. We would be in minimal possession of the world's foremost narco-state, the only country that essentially produces a drug monocrop, opium. In terms of the global war on terror, we would be in possession of a country that the director of the CIA now believes to hold 50 to 100 al-Qaeda operatives ("maybe less") -- for whom parts of the country might still be a "safe haven." And for this, and everything to come, we would be paying, at a minimum, $84 billion a year.
On the basis of our stated war objective -- "[W]e cannot allow Al Qaeda or other transnational extremists to once again establish sanctuaries from which they can launch attacks on our homeland or on our allies," as General Petraeus put it in his confirmation hearing at the end of June 2010 -- success in Afghanistan means increasingly little. For al-Qaeda, Afghanistan was never significant in itself. It was always a place of (relative) convenience. If the U.S. were to bar access to it, there are so many other countries to choose from.
After all, what's left of the original al-Qaeda -- estimated by U.S. intelligence experts at perhaps 300 leaders and operatives -- seems to have established itself in the Pakistani tribal borderlands, a place that the U.S. military could hardly occupy, no matter how many CIA drone attacks were sent against it. Moreover, U.S. intelligence experts increasingly suggest that al-Qaeda is in the process of fusing with local jihadist groups in those borderlands, Yemen, Somalia, North Africa, and elsewhere; that it is increasingly an amorphous "dispersed network," or even simply an idea or crude ideology, existing as much online as anywhere in particular on the ground.
In this sense -- and this is the only reason now offered for the American presence in Afghanistan -- a counterinsurgency "success" there would be meaningless unless, based on the same strategic thinking, the U.S. then secured Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, and a potential host of other places. In other words, the U.S. military would have to do one thing the Bush years definitively proved it couldn't do: impose a Pax Americana on planet Earth.
Of course, the Bush administration might have offered other explanations for the ongoing Afghan War, including the need to garrison what it called "the arc of instability" stretching from North Africa to the Chinese border (essentially the oil heartlands of the planet), roll back Russia from its former Soviet "backyard" in Central Asia, and guarantee the flow of Caspian Sea oil westward. More recently, with the revelation that a trillion or more dollars worth of natural resources lie under Afghan soil, securing that country's raw materials for western mining companies might have been added to that list. The Obama administration, however, offers no such explanations and, being managerial rather than visionary in nature when it comes to U.S. foreign policy, might not even have them.
In any case, our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan seem to be telling a rather different story. The singular thing the Iraq War seems to have done politically is promote Iranian influence in that country. Economically, it's made Iraq a safer place for the state-owned or state-controlled oil companies of China, Russia, and a number of other non-western nations. In Afghanistan, in terms of those future natural resources, we seem to be fighting to make that country safe for Chinese investment (just as the recently heightened U.S. sanctions against Iran are helping make that country safe for Chinese energy dominance).
The Question Mark over Afghanistan
All of this leaves the massive American investment of its most precious resources, including lives, in Afghanistan an ongoing mystery that is never addressed. Somewhere in that country's vast stretches of poppy fields or in the halls of Washington's national security bureaucracy, in other words, lurks a great unasked question. It's a question asked almost half a century ago of Vietnam, the lost war to which David Petraeus turned in 2006 to produce the Army counterinsurgency manual which is the basis for the present surge.
The question was: Why are we in Vietnam? (It even became the title of a Norman Mailer novel.) In 1965, President Lyndon Johnson's administration produced a government propaganda film solely in response to that question, which was already threatening to drive down his polling figures and upend his Great Society at home. The film was called Why Viet-Nam. While it had no question mark after the title, the question of whether to add one was actually argued out in the most literal way inside the administration.
The film began with the president quoting a letter he had received from a mother "in the Midwest" whose son was stationed in Vietnam. You hear the president, in his homey twang, pick up that woman's question, as if it were his own. "Why Vietnam?" he repeats three times as the title appears on the screen, after which, official or not, a question mark seems to hover over every scene, as it did over the war itself.
In a sense, the same question mark appeared both before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, but it has never been associated with Afghanistan. Because of 9/11, Afghanistan remained for years the (relatively) good (and largely forgotten) war, until visible failure visibly tarnished it.
It's now past time to ask that question, even as the Obama administration repeats the al-Qaeda mantra of the Bush years almost word for word and lets any explanation go at that.
Why are we in Afghanistan? Why is our treasure being wasted there when it's needed here?
It's clear enough that a failed counterinsurgency war in Afghanistan will be an unaffordably expensive catastrophe. Let's not wait a year to discover that there's an even worse fate ahead, a "success" that leaves us mired there for years to come as our troubles at home only grow. With everything else Americans have to deal with, who needs a future Petraeus Syndrome?
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Show AllRead NSC 68 (brought to us in 1947 along with the national security state by political hack haberdasher Harry Truman) for a rationale of why we're everywhere in the world.
Seven major points:
1. Never negotiate with the Soviets.
2. Develop the H-Bomb in case the Soviets get the A-Bomb.
3. Rapidly build up conventional forces.
4. To pay for this increase income taxes-up to 90% on the populace.
5. Mobilize everyone in the war against Communism through propaganda, loyalty oaths, and spy networks.
6. Set up a strong alliance system directed by the US - i.e. NATO. THis has the added benefit of the US being able to influence its western allies and compel their militaries to purchase US-compatible weapons systems that profit MIC businesses.
7 Make the people of Russia, through propaganda and CIA shennanigans, our allies against their own government.
Since the Soviet Union screwed us by going out of business, we've had to invent new existential enemies. Afghanistan (Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and the other '-stans') are the new enemies but we've not changed our strategy to reflect that new reality.
"Let's not wait a year to discover that there's an even worse fate ahead..."
Ok. Sounds good. I'm down with that. You got my vote.
Why Are We in Afghanistan?
Public Law 107-40 - the President was authorized to use military force against enemies to be named later.
Bush named al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
Pres. Obama 12/01/09 - 'that authorization is still in effect'
America is still officially at war with these amorphous groups and anyone associated with them, an insane state of affairs. Many people do not agree that America is at war, but the government and the military sure think so.
In 1933, the Reichstag Fire Decree gave Hitler the authority to end the threat of Communist violence.
Public Law 107-40 gave every succeeding President the authority to end the threat of future terrorism.
See the pattern? Unending war-power given to the chief executive, with a vague and undefinable goal, with an unmeasurable victory condition.
Why Are We in Afghanistan?
Because we ignore the law that keeps us trapped.
Why are we in Afghanistan?
Jee, that's a hard one. Oil and gas pipelines from central Asia, maybe?
Nothing has changed since Bush got in office.
How is the "change we can believe in" working out?
Good Grief.
I guess you get it, but the author didn't....Who created al-Qaeda? Brzezinski and the CIA! Who installed the Taliban in power? The U.S.A., CIA, and ISI! Who demolitioned World Trade Center #7? Larry Silverstein knows! Who had shps stationed ready to attack Afghanistan after 9/11? The Brits and the Americans!
Why are we in Afghanistan, Iraq, and soon Iran? Because Brzezinski,Kissinger et al believe that American and European Vital Interests (OIL and GAS) require military intervention.
Why are NATO natuions supporting the troops in Afghanistan?
Afganistan is not part of NATO's mission! President Kohler of Germany was forced to resign because he said, "We are in Afghanistan for our economic vital interests." Every European country has been threatened,"If you do not send troops, you will not have access to the oil and gas we collect!"
Why doesn't the author qustion the lack of proof that Afghanistan had anything to do with 9/11? Why doesn't the author mention the OIL PIPELINE?
Historically, we've gotten our hands on raw materials without costly interventions.
It doesn't make sense - until you include Israel in the formula. Then it makes a lot of sense - not for us, of course, but for Israel.
Well, I think our history is replete with documented incidents of the overthrow of popular and democratic regimes and the installation of despots and dictators who steal the profits and torture and kill the people. All for the stable environment that our corporations love so much.
The first I was aware of was the overthrow of the democratic govt of Guatemala ( in 1954) and the installation of a military dictatorship that exploits its people to this day. All for the welfare of United Fruit.
We are fighting a needless war there because we are too afraid to fight the war we need here.
Any kind of "victory" in Afghanistan will only free up troops for the next invasion, just as Petraeus' successes in Iraq made the escalation of the Afghan war possible. Since the Pentagon knows that the American people will only tolerate wars for which their sons and daughters won't be conscripted, this limits the size of the armed forces and makes it impossible to wage, even with the backup of mercenaries, more than one serious war at a time.
So, if Petraeus is a winner and a drawdown of US troops begins next year, the question is where will they be sent next? Yemen has gotten a lot of press lately, including a big piece in Sunday's NY Times, and we are already killing people there via cruise missiles, so that's my guess. A low grade war against Venezuela from Columbia is another option. Both possible theaters are close to major oil reserves, so either is a good choice for the proponents of permanent war.
We wouldn't be there if we had a draft.
Great point! I brought this topic up to my HS students this past year, many of whom opt to go into the military, asking them why they think we don't have conscription anymore. Most of them said they wouldn't want the draft because then we'd get people who didn't want to serve their country, serving alongside those who want to. Their previous teacher, the wife of a military officer, had told them that her husband and those he served with objected to the draft. They only wanted to work with people who were serious about serving their country. A lot of these kids today are totally brainwashed, believe everything.
In a perfect world, or an actual democratic system, I would agree with you. But I'm old enough to remember Viet Nam and must disagree. If treated to the truth I don't the American people would have wanted to wage war with Viet Nam. However, it is almost always in the interest of the government to lie, and that's what we mostly get. I submit that propaganda causes many Americans to act against their own interests, and the country's.
I remember seeing bush twotoes on TV right after he was elected. He was chanting about how he prayed a lot and sought God’s guidance on all his decisions. Then he invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. I never heard one Christian ask, “hey bush twotoes didn’t you hear Jesus tell you to stop applying the law of retaliation.” Would we be in Afghanistan if we had had a Christian president whom could practice what he preached in place of a born again pagan? Do you think that is why the Iranian says, “we are a godless land”?
The contradictions of USan elite words/actions help keep the true believers confused and enslaved. As long sugar daddy keeps supplying the petro-opiates, the mass ignorance/confusion remains feasible, and naturally beneficial to the elite agenda.
war is only good for those who make and sell the guns...
___John Gorka
"We the people, in order to form a more perfect union...."
Old loyalties die hard I think. I subscribe to TomDispatch and find much of value there. Wheat from Chaff I guess.
video "Accounting for Torture"
http://www.nrcat.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=451
nothing less than the soul of our nation is at stake
Super stupid journalism once again.
Almost as sad as Congress and Obomber.
No doubt the UNOCAL trans-Afghan pipeline project of the 1990's was a sign of things to come. And now there are verified natural gas reserves and mineral wealth in Afghanistan. Also hydro-electric and water.
The occupation is nothing more than tax subsidized corporate imperialism.
But, a true story, an enlisted member of the military explained Afghanistan a little differently. "We need a war every now and then so we have people with combat experience."
Our uniformed assassins need something to do !
And of course the MIC profits, win or lose.
Under the circumstances, no one evidently wonders what success would really mean.
The United States kills every living being in Af-ganef-stan, colonizes it with out of work Americans (who will still have nothing to do) and renames the place Obamastan or Wankerstan or Obamagrad or maybe just Af-ganef-stan. Obama begins wearing a toga and a gold plated laurel wreath. He flies to Kabul and rides around the city in a chariot.
Here's a better question: Why do so many so-called journalists fail to question the cover story that the US is there because of 911/Al Qaeda/Taliban?
And if they really believe that, then they should investigate the psychics employed by Russia and Great Britian in the 20th century. Obviously both countries knew way way ahead of time that 911 would occur (since neither, like the US today, was there for the natural resources and profit).
Because of Zionism.
We could always get our hands on national resources without invasion.
De-countrify "Israel" now.
You're in Afganistan to support the American Empire!
Keep Pashtun British!
The INCy Death From the Jellyfish empirePie July 12th, 2010
Cupidity crowned Cupid
as family jewels enamored family rules.
The ice of fire knew nothing of desire
like jellyfish arisen from the depths,
shimmering death without a brain
for the eons to sustain.
Transparent beauty with a path but not a plan,
pulsing for the sting; sustenance without the bling
the princes of the sea trailing ribbons of not ‘to be’
like the umbrella from silos and tubes;
pulsing terror for that final flash;
brainless plunder for your stash;
nestling blobs and INCy bobs
brainless like the polyps
but lifeless lead the way.
Yes.. lifeless they lead the way.
The Botched Promise of the sea;
The forgotten other.
The lost we.
Why Are We in Afghanistan?
Two reasons:
1. For our cut of the heroin trade. The Taliban are religious zealots and cut heroin production to next to nothing when they were in power. They just would not cooperate.
2. We need a war to justify defense spending. We need an enemy to replace communism. The US Treasury doors are flung wide open in time of war. Defense spending is where all those southern states make their money.
3. Do not forget The National Penis. Every American Emperor is obsessed by The National Penis. They must show the world the length and breadth of their member. They must walk around naked, wearing only a red, white and blue cape, pointing and crowing loudly, "See this? See this? Do not fuck with me, ever!"
MS;you are right, of course, to take it all out in the open one must add the lucre that can be had for such exposure. Tony
I call it the "War Boner".
Spoken as a true human representative of Mars, governing force to the sign (your sign) of Aries.
This is why I use the euphemism "Mars rules." Mars is related to the first chakra where raw, primal urges are contained. In the I ching, the first hexagram/kua is supreme Yang, and it represents the primal life force as projected through the masculine side of The Force. In the tarot, it's symbolized by the Ace of wands, a rather phallic symbol.
Of course there can be no life without THE dance, nor is Creation ONLY the reflection of the masculine yang force. In the I ching, the 2nd hexagram signifies the Supreme Yin, and in astrology, the 2nd sign (after Aries, the first) is Taurus, represented by Venus, the natural partner and counterpart to Mars.
When a society is utterly built around homage to Mars, it contains the seeds of its own destruction because in only alloting worship to the masculine side of this Divine force, such things as the power to destroy (the insane build-up of armies, armaments, the WASTE of valuable assets transformed into an obscene array of diabolical tools of destruction, these priorities have become an ersatz religion in the US) destabilizes the entire living template. And that is where the US is. So under thrall to dark powers of destruction, it operates like an addict who never owned contrition for its destruction of Japan. To the contrary, it's gone on to build yet more of these heinous weapon systems while rushing around the world claiming others to be THE offenders, using that patently false rationale as its justification for using its own WMD on so many others. Millions. And still the death machine marches on...
A few of you have likened this to the penis, to the masculine need for dominance; and that is very true. Not too many in this forum see what I see in terms of the parallels between state-sponsored torture (with sexual & pornographic elements), the levels of rape/domestic abuse in the US, the ubiquitous "consumption" of an overtly misogynistic type of porn, the worship of weapons (NRA & gun-love), and the vast perversion taking shape as calamitous ecocide turning so many areas into growing dead zones, stains upon the body of the Earth Mother, Gaia.
UNTIL there is an equal appreciation and homage to the FEMININE side of the Divine force, all this folly will continue. Of course Earth Mother is an immense power in her own right, and She is already sending lots of signals that the old ways will come to an end, with human consent or otherwise.
The time I spent in Peru studying the Shaman tradition validated what I have related in this forum for 3 years about the uber: Mars/maculine orientation that has thrown much of the world out of balance. The US leads the pack. The worship of force generates an outcome that is inevitable: "He who lives by the sword dies by it." Not exactly a sane policy of "defense."
As Tirebiter noted in the thread's first post, I will only add the policy formula of Full Spectrum Dominance announced on 30 May 2000 in DOD's publication Joint Vision 2020. Note the date--Clinton was president, Gore VEEP. Also note the only way to get the US populace on board such a strategy would be through a new Pearl Harbor as envisioned by both the Project for the New American Century and the 1962 plan for Operation Northwoods. Clearly, the planning for 9/11 commenced under Clinton/Gore. The Judicial Coup that installed Cheney sealed the deal.
Since the policy of Full Spectrum Dominance is still in place, the US Empire should be seen as no different from Nazi Germany or Napoleonic France, particularly the latter with its veneer of republicanism despite having a self-proclaimed Emperor. Indeed, Napoleon had his own version of Democracy Promotion which motivated the Royals of Europe to join in Concert aganst him. The US Empire is bankrupting the US populace morally and monetarilly. And the one geographic strength enjoyed by the USA--its masssive agricultural regions--will be destroyed as Global Warming moves Climate Change into high gear as the century progresses, leaving the US populace morally and monetarilly bankrupt and unable to feed itself. And thus the US Emppire will end with a whimper, not a bang, and the planet's people will celebrate.
If David Petraeus the Rock General succeeds in replacing a pair of flashlight batteries he'll be considered a great man. In fact, all he has to do ever is be General Petraeus and masses of Americans, toadies all, will say, "Wow. That was really good!"
We warned candidate Obama about Afghanistan. We warned him when he was president too. He wouldn't listen. So it's very hard to feel sympathy for him now.
The spleen that people habitually feel for this or any president should be redirected from the trivialities that have have seized their minds.
The base ignorance that characterizes President Obama's Nobel Prize speech (and he still hasn't moved beyond it) far exceeds any other imagined deed he may have done or probably ever will do in his life.
The Norwegian ceremony is for idealists, people with the true education and inner conviction to stand unequivocally against war. The Nobel pulpit is not a place for pro-war hacks.
"our commitment to the Afghan government and people is an enduring one"
Big Brother's "commitment to" is newspeak for "domination of". Mass denial in the USA of Big Brother's true agenda has always been his ace of spades. Petro-imperialism pays for itself in spades as the hungry chicks gulp the petro-worms. Have you seen the new 2011 model Lexuz SUVs??
"All of this leaves the massive American investment of its most precious resources, including lives, in Afghanistan an ongoing mystery that is never addressed."
_______
Oh, please! This statement is disingenuous. I have a good deal of respect for Tom Engelhardt and usually appreciate his articles, but I simply cannot believe that he doesn't know why the United States is in Afghanistan. Tom also certainly knows that this subject "is never addressed" because the truthful reason for the US invasion and occupation of Afghanistan falls outside the narrow parameters of permissible thought and discourse as set by the ruling elites and their servile courtiers in Congress and the media.
Why is the United States in Afghanistan? Location, location, location.... This should be obvious to anyone with a pulse. Look at a map. Afghanistan's geographical location is right smack in the middle of everything the ruling elites want to control, which makes it a strategic part of the US Business Plan of Full Spectrum Dominance.
All of the 'official', stated reasons for being there-- eliminating terrorists, democracy enhancement, regional 'stability--are nothing more than the usual shallow pretexts-- LIES--the ruling elites CHOOSE to tell us and continue to amplify endlessly through their media mouthpieces. They are sans meaning or TRUTH. Tom Engelhardt has to knows this.
As for the 'costs' of continuing to execute this business plan, well, since when have the ruling elites shown an ounce of concern for costs in foreign interventions, either monetarily or in pain, suffering, or loss of lives--American or foreign? After all, it's not the elites who are bearing the 'costs'. At last check, they were all doing quite well, in fact, profiting handsomely from this nine-year-folly. It's everyone else who bears the 'costs', which means there are no actual 'costs'. This is what elites, who, incidentally, abhor market interventions, mean by the 'free' market system: a completely tax-payer-financed market expansion. I would argue, however, that a completely tax-payer financed invasion and occupation of another country is a pretty significant market intervention. But who am I to challenge the hubris or intentions of the best and brightest?
"This is what elites, who, incidentally, abhor market interventions, mean by the 'free' market system: a completely tax-payer-financed market expansion." –(Giovanna)
Yes, 'market interventions' are fine once the property belonging to others has been stolen wholesale.
–Or in Karl Marx's terms, 'primitive capitalist accumulation,' which is the material and ongoing necessity implicit in capitalism's very existence and the reason for permanent, imperial war:
Theft, at gunpoint, or the continuance of capitalism's historical legacy.
The invasion and occupation of Iraq, for example, concluded in the radical de-nationalization and expropriation of its oil resources, and actually has resulted in that nation's wealth to have been stolen twice by the consortiums of empire in two different historical time periods.
In 1919, the British imperialist John Mackinder stated, in his work,The Geographical Pivot of History:,
"Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland;
who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island;
who rules the World-Island controls the world."
that is why in 2010 the new imperialists, the Americans are in Afghanistan, the heart of the World-Island.
Eavery Body go to Google and print, "Afghanistan Pipeline"
The story was there two years ago.
If you still want to believe that we are there to fight Terrorists, then there is no hope for you. Even Slick Willie made money in that area.
Then Google your own memory about Zionism, write it down and print it, and staple it to the "Afghanistan Pipeline" print-out.
When the Taliban were kicking Russia's butt, they were our friends, and we could have easily had the pipeline etc. But Israel dictates our foreign policy in the Middle East.
Arthur Silber's comment on this are interesting:
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2010/07/demand-for-obedience-and-reverence-for_11.html
Always with this "we" nonsense.
What Tom, and far too many other writers, fail to realize is that when he uses this "we" he is framing the discussion through the narrative of the ruling class who in fact are the "they" who develop and enforce the policies that bring about the very situations he laments.
This is pure and simple propaganda.
Consider the following paragraph from Tom:
"We would be in minimalist possession of a fractious, ruined land, at war for three decades, and about as alien to, and far from, the United States as it's possible to be on this planet. We would be in minimalist possession of the world's fifth poorest country. We would be in minimal possession of the world's second most corrupt country. We would be in minimal possession of the world's foremost narco-state, the only country that essentially produces a drug monocrop, opium."
In this example let's assume that all of the things he hints at do in fact come to pass. Who then, in reality, is this "we" who would be in possession of the things he refers to. It would be the owners of the USA not the people. Now we can argue about the potential "benefits or drawbacks" of these possessions but there is no argument to be had on who would in the most material sense be holding those possessions if the USA did have such amazing "success" in this latest land grab.
"We" would possess precisely nothing of this hypothetical loot. "They" the rulers would control all of it.
What is useful here is once you break away from that language you can clearly draw distinctions as to who benefits and who pays and more clearly see whose interests are being served.
Now of course all of this leaves aside the more important point that all of this is wholesale slaughter and banditry and no parsing from Tom or myself can change that truth.
I believe there is merit to the use of the encompassing 'we' when referring to policy decisions of our nation. The problem with your premise that it isn't 'we' who make these decisions is that, despite the absolute truth of that premise, the fact remains that it is 'we' who are in the great majority, it is 'we' who are really responsible for the direction our supposed democratic institution takes us.
To note that this country is run by and for a very small minority is an accurate and awful disclosure to be certain. But to seek solutions means that,first, one must take responsibility.
OK, how precisely are you taking responsibility? What are your courageous solutions?
I wonder why you seek to rip and tear when others seek information and ideas? Are you simply an insecure little fellow, sans friends and so lonely that he feels he must take his misery out on others?
I have, in several posts delineated strategies and ideas, as well as a small biography of past actions. Thus I assume your question is not a heartfelt or genuine seeking of information but only another in a rather longish line of childish stupidities. A pity and I feel sorry for you.
MCOYOTE: Wise words. I've been pointing out the fallacy of this "we" thing in the forum for some time. Apologists for the status quo (who use deflection devices such as "the poster is being negative" for stating painful OBVIOUS truths about the degree to which this nation's powerbrokers have sold-out to the vices of unregulated corporate capitalism, itself an extension of the make-war state) want to hold fast to the lie that what politicians enact as policy genuinely reflects the wishes of the people, those who are theoretically being represented. Such individuals wish to uphold the pretense that our system is still working!
DOUBLEDEE: Do your homework! If a majority is against the war in Afghanistan, and a majority was against the bailout to bankers, and a majority was in favor of single payer... these statistics (a majority) IN SPITE OF an embedded media doing all the expensive PR to manage dissent and manufacture consent, then imagine what the real numbers would be IF the citizens knew the truth, the extent to which their interests were being ransacked? Your whole "go along to get along" schtick is tiring, and makes one wonder where you place your loyalties. You strike me as someone who's mind has been co-opted by the MIC. Since you're present in these threads, you must have been exposed to the FACTS when it comes to elections. The touch screen voting BS, the COSTS of running a campaign, how those costs tend to get leveraged against future promises to contributors (i.e. corporations via their high-paid lobbyists), who gets vetted or OFF'd by media? Yet you still want to place the responsibility on CITIZENS for these abridgements to the system, still wish to pretend that it's all legit? WHY would you hold such stances?
In TE "Why, Why, Why of War," he is focusing our attention on any addictive behavior. That is we have been preparing and making war for so long and with such overwhelming ferocity that we have become totally addicted and therefore lost sight of our original intentions.
He is trying to break the blind habits of addiction from it's reptilian brains stronghold and send a message to the frontal cortex, or maybe even (at best), the soft tissue of the heart, as to just what our motivations here.
We say we're smoking because it relaxes us, to keep our weight down, or we like the taste, but in reality we are hopelessly addicted to an incredibly strong narcotic. With that acknowledgment we have the first step toward healing.
It is said that the first step in the right direction is admitting your going in the wrong direction. TE want's us to admit there is no morally rational reason for these wars of aggressions and to bring to the front our addictions for war and there by hold out the possibility of transformation into moral rationality.
"My interest in "issues" is merely to point out how badly
we're doing, not to suggest a way we might do better. Don't
confuse me with those who cling t hope. I enjoy describing
how things are, I have no interest in how they "ought to be"
. And I certainly have no interest in fixing them.
I sincerely believe that if you think there's a solution,
you're part of the problem.
My motto: Fuck Hope!
George Carlin................................1997............
"My interest in "issues" is merely to point out how badly
we're doing, not to suggest a way we might do better. Don't
confuse me with those who cling t hope. I enjoy describing
how things are, I have no interest in how they "ought to be"
. And I certainly have no interest in fixing them.
I sincerely believe that if you think there's a solution,
you're part of the problem.
My motto: Fuck Hope!
George Carlin................................1997............
Why are we in Afghanitan
Well , there was a guy, and he had about a dozen angry men
with box cutters, hijack some big huge jets and defy the
worlds best air defense system and fly these jets right into
some big buildings in New York, and one into the Pentagon.
It was really something..
Well, they found out that the box cutters may have come
from somewhere, they weren't sure where , but they had a
great big map in this secret room at the pentagon and they
all threw darts at this map, on landed on Iraq, one on
Afghanistan, one on Yeamen, one on Iran, one on Venezuela/..
And they vowed not to stop until they wiped out the whole
population to find the stores that these box cutters were
bought from....
I thought everybody already knew that.
“We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the world-a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just Whores for power and oil, but killer Whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum and that is how history will remember us.” (Hunter S. Thompson)
Why are we in Afghanistan? Good question, because Israel did 9/11, not Afghanistan.
Why are we in Afghanistan?
As the saying goes: It's about the oil stupid.
The worldwide drug dealing from Afghanistan is icing on the cake that helps to keep the public everywhere hooked and totally debilitated, out of their tiny brains, and a good excuse for more draconian laws.
Why is Australia still in Afghanistan now after three changes of Prime Minsters here? - Because apparently Australia is a wannabe country, trying hard to please it's role model America and believing all the bullshit whilst commonsense people see it all for the lies that it always was just like Iraq whilst the Australian soldier body counts keep rising more quickly these days whilst we're all supposed to be crying effusive nationalistic tears for each and every one of them....
Why is the UK still in Afghanistan? - Because of the 'special' relationship between the USA and Britain? - The UK is practically broke but still manages to scrape enough soldiers and materiels to have them blown up or killed on a regular basis. Is that 'special relationship' something like a thug pimp and a drug addicted prostitute? - The UK people haven't been, and still aren't buying the bullshit.
Why is Hamid Karzai, the President of Afghanistan still in Afghanistan? - Because he hasn't nearly salted away enough money yet to go off an live in another country in abject luxury for the rest of his life. Besides, despite being an uppity puppet, he's doing a good job of being in the media. Rupert Murdoch should hire him.