Children Heavily Represented Among 917 Dead, Say Officials
Health officials in Gaza said yesterday that the Palestinian death toll since Israel began its offensive against the Strip on December 27th had reached 917 and the number of wounded 4,100.
Officials expect the number of casualties to rise steeply as Israeli armour and troops move into heavily populated urban areas in the north and Israeli planes intensify their bombardment of the south.
Bassem Naeem, health minister in the Hamas government, said that about 380 of the fatalities were women and children. Israeli sources said 300 militants had been killed, a figure which may include the 187 civilian policemen who died in the initial bombardment. This means, analysts argue, that two-thirds of the fatalities are civilians. Children, who officials say are heavily represented among the casualties, comprise half of Gaza's population.
In the north, Muhammad Shriteh, an ambulance driver for the Red Crescent Society, speaking on the phone from Gaza city, said rescue teams were unable to enter Zeitoun on the border with Israel because of heavy bombing and the Israeli advance. "It is very bad in Zeitoun area. All the families are leaving. It is a ghost town. We cannot collect bodies or the injured."
In the south, Jenny Linnel, a peace activist from Devon in England who is in Rafah, reported by phone that entire "neighbourhoods parallel to the border with Egypt" are being bombarded and tunnels used to smuggle essential goods and weapons into Gaza are being targeted.
"All residents have been ordered to leave. Homes are being destroyed or severely damaged. There has been a mass evacuation. Families go to stay with relatives who live elsewhere." Linnel has been serving as a volunteer with the Red Crescent.
UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) spokesman Christopher Gunness said the agency estimates that the number of people who have fled Rafah is 20,000.
He said UNRWA had a convoy of more than 50 lorries carrying food, medical and non-food aid entering Gaza through Israel's Karem Shalom crossing.
UNRWA is dispersing aid to distribution centres and 31 shelters housing 25,000 people.
Human Rights Watch called on Israel to stop firing white phosphorus shells into heavily populated areas of Gaza. "White phosphorous can burn down houses and cause horrific burns when it touches the skin," said Marc Garlasco, the organisation's military analyst. Doctors in Gaza say one person has died and a number have suffered injuries consistent with white phosphorus burns.
Shriteh confirmed this report: "My partner and I collected from near al-Quds hospital one shahid [martyr or fatality] and seven injured people who had burns all over their bodies."
The UN Human Rights Council adopted a resolution that "strongly condemned the ongoing Israeli military operations . . . which have resulted in massive violations of human rights of the Palestinian people and systematic destruction of the Palestinian infrastructure".
The resolution was adopted by 33 votes with 13 abstentions, including European countries, and one against, Canada.
A boat owned by the Free Gaza Movement,carrying doctors, journalists and medicine, which set out for Gaza from Cyprus, has had to turn back for mechanical reasons. An Iranian cargo ship carrying medical supplies is set to enter Israel's maritime exclusion zone today.
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Show AllOne of CD's resident trolls, Thomas More, has joined the ranks today of one of Mexico's least fondly remembered PRI dictators, José López Portillo, who said--when he went on a campaign to get rid of all critical press in Mexico:
"No les pago para que me peguen". (I don't pay you to hit me.)
Another champion of free speech--Congratulations!
Darn Serena, I appreciate the promotion to "resident", but troll? If you ask most here your actions fit that description. Go back and look at your posts.
But if you must, couldn't you make it "Resident Gringo Troll"? I mean if you intend to insult, why use half measures?
Have a lovely evening.
I have made the picture of a Palestinian mother caught in this ghastly Gazan nightmare the desktop image on my computer. She is hovering over her blood soaked son and while her eyes are hidden, the boy stares up at her. It is hard to know if death has already visited the child but his eyes are still open. If he is still alive it is a vacant but chilling look of numbness, emptiness and shock. It is a horrific image but I should never be allowed to avert my eyes from it until I have lived the rest of my life trying to destroy Zionism.
In my judgement the greatest contribution I can make to that end is to heed the words of Mario Savio in the Berkley Free Speech Movement of '64 applied to the world capitalist economy of today as it is directed from Washington, D.C.. “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop! And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!”
Under normal circumstances the impending death of a form of racism like Zionism (see the picture of young Israeli girls bused onto military bases as a school-day field trip writing messages and drawing on missile warheads soon to rain down on Lebanon) and the establishment of a secular state on the territory Israel now occupies where Palestinian Arabs of various religious persuasions and Jews could peacefully co-exist as equals would be cause for human celebration. Unfortunately, the panic that clearly grips Israel means they will likely join in U.S. attacks on Damascus and Tehran and resort to the use of the “Sampson Option”, their nuclear arsenal, when all else fails. And that, on a larger scale, is the dilemma that the whole world faces as the capitalist system spearheaded by the United States begins experiencing the pangs of its death throes.
Both anti-Semitism and Zionism are the bitter fruits of capitalism. The imperatives of that economic system forced the Jewish people to endure the pogroms and the Holocaust. Meanwhile Zionists, propelled by the same economic dynamic, have since executed their own crimes against humanity. 62-years-ago, an unconscionable attack on the King David Hotel killed Britons, Arabs and Jews. Later would come Sabra and Shatila and now the Zionists are demonstrating in Gaza that Germany’s National Socialists had nothing on them for cold-blooded brutality and the capacity for murder on a massive scale.
Capitalism created the idea of Zionism in its relentless drive to divide and more fully exploit the working people of the world. For the historic moment of capitalism’s rise to planetary dominance Zionism has effectively built a figurative and literal wall between Jewish workers and their non-Jewish brothers and sisters. In the US it has made a distant memory of Jewish leadership of immigrant workers of every stripe in pitched battles on the streets of American cities to form and build the garment and furriers unions. It has squashed the great Civil Rights Era coalition consecrated by the blood of Schwerner, Chaney and Goodman. It has made unity with anyone but the US ruling class all but impossible. Zionism has performed as designed and isolated Jewish workers around the world in a “new Warsaw ghetto” called Israel.
The state that Zionism created has begun sensing its mortality and is thrashing around accordingly. The clearly deranged attack on Gazans and the recent ravings of Israeli intellectual Benny Morris published by the New York Times can now be added to mounting evidence that the guardians of the state are in the grip of panic. It recalls the 2006 attacks on Lebanon and Gaza and the resultant killing of civilians and destruction of infrastructure, the kidnapping of Hamas legislators, the targeting of a U.N. observer post, and the outrage on Qana. Each a desperate act farther outside the bounds of common sense than the one before.
One thing the Israeli assault on the Gaza and Lebanon before it has made clearer is the alignment of forces in the Arab and Muslim world. Ironically, in different fashions both Hamas and Hizbollah were creations of Israel. Hamas was supposed to act as a counterweight to the Palestine Liberation Organization when Israel considered the PLO the most immediate threat to their domination of the Arab majority. Hizbollah filled the gapping chasm Israel created with the 1982 invasion and years long occupation of southern Lebanon. Both Hamas and Hizbollah have, through years of disciplined work and organizing, woven themselves into the lives of the respective peoples they seek to liberate. What a stark contrast with the rich Arab boys who have created the cult they call al-Qaeda. The clownish Ayman al-Zawahiri rushed to his camcorder after Hizbollah faced down the Israeli military to spout some silly rhetoric about a caliphate from Spain to Iraq in front of a poster that screams, “Please remember us, we did 9/11!”
During the fighting with Hizbollah, completely out of the blue on repeated occasions and in leaflets dropped on the Lebanese, Israeli leaders felt compelled to mention their power to erase Lebanon from the planet. A strong and confident force does not act so. The Israelis are seeing their graves in the corner of their eyes and their bully’s trepidation is now growing as the end nears.
HuffPo says death toll is over 1000. In the right hand column on CD, under press releases, is a good FAIR press release on violations of international law not being covered in the media.
serena, please be aware of the solidarity that's needed - and it has been more than adequately expressed by Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos, one of the leaders fighting with the Zapatistas against the human rights abuses experienced by many people in your own country:
"Maybe our thinking is very simple, and we're lacking the nuances and annotations that are always so necessary in analyses, but to the Zapatistas it looks like there's a professional army murdering a defenseless population.
Who from below and to the left can remain silent?
Is it useful to say something? Do our cries stop even one bomb? Does our word save the life of even one Palestinian?
We think that yes, it is useful. Maybe we don't stop a bomb and our word won't turn into an armored shield so that that 5.56 mm or 9 mm caliber bullet with the letters "IMI" or "Israeli Military Industry" etched into the base of the cartridge won't hit the chest of a girl or boy, but perhaps our word can manage to join forces with others in Mexico and the world and perhaps first it's heard as a murmur, then out loud, and then a scream that they hear in Gaza."
For the men, women, children, and elderly of the Zapatista National Liberation Army,
Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos
Mexico, January 4, 2009.
From http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2009/01/385043.shtml
You are trolling the wrong person, Maggie Mae.
I am 100% supportive of the Palestinians--as I am of all indigneous people who have been or are being subjected to genocide.
Yesterday both Bolivia and Venezuela severed diplomatic relations with Israel.
One day after Hillary the Harpy threatened Chavez and Morales with the iron fist of diplomacy for not toeing the Gringo Line.
I believe the glove has been thrown down.
Let's see what your dumpy little chump is made of.
So let me try to understand this, serena. You are apparently over the age of 12, but your ONLY dedicated focus in life is attacking "gringos" because these "gringos," which include all the people living in the U.S. who pay taxes - even the millions of Mexican-American "gringos" - who pay taxes that support Israel and the assault on Gaza.
In addition, you assume that all of us here in the U.S. actually pay taxes to support our corrupt government. I, for one, do not. Furthermore, we are supposed to assume that an "enlightened" serena pays and contributes nothing to support the corrupt government officials, police and military of Mexico.
We up here should be ashamed of ourselves, but you down there are living in an "enlightened" country where there is no murder and killing of innocent people by your wonderful government.
Wake up, serena! You have become blinded by you anger. If you want to see change, we all need to be on the same page and working together.
Yeah, you pretty well nailed that one.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
Another racist troll ignored.
¡Vete ya, cuervo, que te estàs cagando los pantalones!
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
Are you referring to me, Ted Markow?
If you are, let me remind you that birds do not have to wear pants--they have nothing to be ashamed about.
Si, te estoy hablando, cuervo de luna. ¿Por que te escondes detras de tantos apodos? ¿Y porque nos escribas desde Mexico? Ven aqui adonde puedes hacerte utìl.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
I spent 48 years in gringolandia, where you gringos "just kind of wasted my precious time".
I have absolutely zero interest in pulling gringo chestnuts out of the fire.
You are undoubtedly the laziest, most arrogant, most cowardly folks on the face of the planet.
Why do you hate Americans?
Still taking our money each month though aren't you? You really shouldn't take money from someone and then critisize them. Its not polite.
YOUR money, no.
I am taking my DEAD ex-husband's money--which he worked for. And I will not have Medicare as it doesn't cover any medical treatment outside of Genocide-landia.
Polite is as polite does--which means you are one of the rudest people on the planet.
Gosh, I don't mean to be rude.
But as far as I can tell you hate America, have no respect for Americans and constantly critisize us while the country of your choice has more problems that we ever thought of having, is far more corrupt at every level...etc...hard to take your criticism's without a grain of salt.
But I stand justly chastized for mentioning the SS money. Thats a contract betweeen all American citizens and it is justly yours even though you are no longer an American. For that one, my apologies
You need to be quiet here. You are showing your ignorance of reality.
Thomas More is right in criticizing the manner in which I posted the link. It was in poor taste. The statement was made in irony and does not translate into web-land. I offer my sincere apologies for that.
However, I do not apologise for posting the link to the photo (the article is very much worth a read, as is all of Chris Floyd’s work). IMO there are much too few photos like this being published or shown these days.
GottaGetOffTheGrid
Sir, since you posted this at the end in an obvious attempt to make sure everybody saw what you said, allow me to post the same reply I put on your post above. And I post it with added respect.
"I thank you for that. And sometimes things just don't translate well. I should know. (lol)
You of course don't have to apologize for what you posted. Anyone can post what they like. Just please in the future, label it correctly and I'm sure you would anyway in the future..
Its something that more than likely wouldn't happen again in a hundred years.
I also don't discount the possibility that it was just me that it hit like that. But it did. And that was exactly how I felt.
I thank you again for acknowledging it could possibly have been done another way and thats the end of it for me. My respects."
Thomas, you obviously have very strong views about this post, and you are entitled to them. I would argue, that this has everything to do with Gaza. Israeli officials (Mark Regev in particular) trying to assure people that Israel is only targeting Hamas militants. It is obvious to the World, that Israel is carrying out a "collective" punishment on the Palestinian people for the actions of Hamas. This is a war crime as set out in the 4th Geneva convention. Israel of course has not ratified the ICC, so in theory cannot be tried for war crimes - how convenient.
AndyUK
Andy, I would just say to you that if someone had decieved you into seeing a picture that brought back memories you'd rather forget, I doubt you'd be as sanguine about it.
This wasn't just posting a picture, I see pictures like this and they make me ill, but I can see them without the same reaction because I was expecting to see them.
"It is obvious to the World, that Israel is carrying out a "collective" punishment on the Palestinian people for the actions of Hamas."
What makes it so obvious? exactly? (not rhetorical)
Thomas More:I do my best to avoid the most bloody,torn bodies photos because I can never erase them. I understand. In art, I use photos that are not horrific, to make my points for antiwar and peace. And I do not read rape scenes in books, or look at them in movies because it triggers flashbacks.
I do want to ask you (and any readers) to read today's interview with Avi Schlaim on DemocracyNow www.democracynow.org from today's show. Thomas, I promise you will like this scholar's segment. It was simple and clear (which I appreciate). Please look/read and I'll await your comment.
NYCartist
Hi there Woman! I figure that (woman) will get me back in good graces.
Interesting. I enjoyed reading his opinions. Mostly agreed with him...especially on this "Nor did I ever question the legitimacy of the state of Israel within its pre-1967 borders."
Thats my feeling about this whole thing, pre 67 borders are Israel, the rest is occupied territory from the 67 war.
I think he is right about Ariel Sharon.
We share the opinion that Hamas is a terroist organization.
I worry that some of his academic conclusions could be somewhat skewed as our own academics do with things for their own prejudices. The reason is he didn't mention anyone but Israel and Hamas in his solution.
We agree on the most important thing for sure, the pre 67 borders and there is no military solution to this problem.
Thanks for the link.
Thomas More:Avi Shlaim is an Israeli military veteran also.
I saw that. From the sixties I believe.
Would that make you contemporaries as soldiers/ veterans?
NYCartist
It would, though I got the impression he is a bit older than I am. I erved 67-70 with a break.
If he was in the 67 war, I was in Viet Nam then. I am absolutely sure both of us would rather have been in Hawaii.
Thomas More:I was in NOLA and I know I'd rather have been in Hawaii.
Edit add:I looked at Avi Shlaim's wikipedia entry:if it's accurate, he was in the IDF in the mid-1960s and went to England in 1967; born in 1945,self-identifies as Iraqi Jew,born in Baghdad.
By golly, I'm sorry we all didn't go in 67. Surfing would have been a whole lot more fun!
Thomas More:I grew up near Coney Island (Brooklyn, you probably know). Beach yes, surf yes, surfing no. But, I'm glad I went to NOLA. I knew I was still in the US because the US mail trucks said "US" on them. (I hated NOLA in a zillion ways, but learned a lot. Food was good. Discovered working in clay.)
Food was good
Thats half the battle! I'll bet the professor's rations didn't taste any better than ours.
Thomas More, we have been made to watch the most horrible scenes from the death camps of Adolf Hitler's Germany. We have seen the emaciated people, the dead bodies piled on top of each other. The Holocaust was an awful event which the World has not been able to forget, and rightly so. Why should we not see these pictures from Gaza, we should be seeing more of them, so that the World is united in its disgust at the horror being perpetrated on Palestine.
Every single UN resolution which has been proposed, to help the Palestinians, has been vetoed by the US as a result of pressure brought to bear by the Israel lobby. Our politicians in the UK have been slow to criticise, but have finally made half hearted comments.
This situation has to change, or the next time we could be seeing 10,000 or 100,000 dead Palestinians.
AndyUK
There is no reason for people to see these pictures if they need to. Thats their choice. Just as if you want to you can see a picture of a dead little Israeli girl. They are both dead Andy.
My objection, forcefully stated because I was so angry after clicking that link, mislabled on purpose and forcing me to see it.....I can't tell you how angry I was.
I have seen little girls like that and the memories it brought back were not pleasant. I see pictures from Gaza and its not pleasant, but it doesn't have the same effect as getting bushwacked.
Maybe I'm the only one that objects to it, but I damn well do object to it. Put it on if you must, but put an honest label on it.
When will the palestinian a-holes quit hiding among the children when they commit their terrorist acts? allahu akbar or whatever they say, I have the same compassion for their children that they do.
I see you're still struggling to stay employed in your carpentry work out in CA. Go hide behind your welfare checks and keep giving Hugo your money. Palestinians will come out when you rightwing nazis quit giving Israel loads of taxpayer funded WMDs asshole. Hamas wouldn't be where it's at if your zionist nazis running Israel hadn't conspired with bad business "settlers" to cause more wars. May GOD PUNISH YOU with more unemployment and/or job insecurity !
JWVerez:hi. I see that "other" you peeked out. Yes, It's upsetting. It's more effective to channel our anger into useful action, as Gandhi told his grandson, Arun, who told the radio interviewer.
Sigh, I didn't want to do this to RW but his calling all Palestinians terrorists drove me nuts. Sometimes trying to get even with the "Joe the Plumbers" in this world without any cursing can be tricky. Thanks for reminding me.
JWVerez:You do something that many men find very hard to do. You back off, change your mind. You have done it a few times, that I've seen. Actually, I'm not sure I can do it as well as you:backing off. Impressed. Makings of a great teacher (not bad in spouses,either).
Theinitiate - they will never forget this, how can anyone simply "move on" (in the words of Tony Bliar) when you have faced this disgusting tragedy. Should anyone be surprised if there are further attacks by "terrorists", due to our complicity in this matter? It is almost as if the powers that be want to create an everlasting war on terror.
theinitiate
This says it all..Why would the parents of these children -if still alive -want to forgive and forget?
Bin Laden has a new tape out- they are reporting on CNN. I he's calling for jihad to stop Israel. and the US support for the onslaught. I WONDER WHAT THEY THINK NOW...
I can't stand watching, but I can't turn away... You have to pay attention, otherwise the you'l be duped into believing lies... stay alert and informed.
Someone posted a link earlier, to a young Palestinian child, who had been "murdered", and there was outrage from a few people - why? Was there outrage when the twin towers were attacked, or when "shock and awe" was unfolding? The reason why people feel outrage at this, is because it is horrific and real, and to a certain extent we are responsible for it, for not complaining to our politicians. We should be outraged at our governments, and at the Israeli government.
This is a "slaughter in progress" and the United States (helped by the lack of decisive criticism from the UK) is enabling this process. What will happen at the end of this conflict? Will Israel and the Palestinians retreat, only to live happily ever after? No they won't, Israel will be emboldened by this lack of criticism, lack of UN sanctions (because of the US power of veto), lack of war crimes charges (because of the US power of veto). The blockade and inhumane treatment of the Palestinians will continue on an even larger scale. Maybe foreign journalists and aid agencies will be banned altogether.
Nobody is taking Israel to task for these atrocities, and until they do the situation will only get worse.
AndyUK:I have never looked at photos of the World Trade Center after the burning, except once accidentally. It was enough for me to smell it, inhale some of the air with smoke (and I was a few miles away, air moves, people who worked, live near there are still ill,still some government denial about cleaning up the residue, years later -it's not over). Someone figured out that if we inhaled some of the smoke, we probably inhaled something of the people. I do not look at horrific photos, for the reasons I have commented above, in comment to Thomas More. If people post a link to photos without identifying what they are, it will be harder to trust links.
Bullshit Andy. This had nothing to do with Gaza as far as I was concerned.
Honestly, Thomas - I still don't know what it is you disagree with or have a problem with in this thread. It may be completely valid, and I may agree with it, but I don't understand what it is.
Could you please state succinctly what's bugging you?
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
I'm one of the ones who responded to that picture. I didn't respond because of my outrage (though, I certainly felt that at the monsters who would kill children), but rather at my sadness at having seen such a horrific sight.
It is possible to be burnt out by overwhelming sadness and feeling of hopelessness.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
Ted Markow: This is entirely off topic here. I am writing to apologize for the disgraceful way I behaved toward you about a month ago. It was entirely my fault, entirely stupid and, in retrospect, an extreme embarrassment.
I'm shaking your hand, man. Tough times, tough words, but we're all in this thing together.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
Thanks. It's over and done. Peace.
Ted Markow: I alternate between feeling huge sadness, a bit of hopelessness and then get angry and think, what can I do? It's important to not burn out. It's OK to take time "off" to heal, renew and then get back to work, as can. One of the "problems" about shooting at people, especially from a distance, as Howard Zinn notes in "You Can't Be Neutral on A Moving Train", his great book (and I saw a piece of documentary,same title, on YouTube where he said it also, I think), is that you have no idea what's happening on the other end, when a bomb is dropped. You don't get to see the damage you have caused. So he went back to see after WWII. Zinn was a bombadier, over France and dropped napalm on French villages where Germans allegedly were....he has much regret...
There have been comments by Vietnam Vets on CD about shooting and killing and how easily some soldiers did it. Many can and will not. There are resisters in the Iraeli Defense forces. I saw on CD, that there are refuseniks in Israel, and have been. They have another name for them now. Soldiers who refused to fight in the occupied territory.
I've been really confused for years on how to solve this whole Mid-East crisis
and then I came upon a brilliant idea.... I'd sail to Greece and ask the Oracle
at Delphi what should be done...... And ya know what she said after a couple
moments of contemplation? "Push the sons of bitches into the sea!"
Usually she's a bit more cryptic but I guess she's pissed too about what's
going down....
And ya know what... I don't think their god is gonna part the sea this time for
'em...... The word on the street is that he's pretty pissed too....
Have a great day.... Uncle Billy.....
Pan
With Justice and Liberty For All
Greetings to CommonDreamers from xglampf and rglorpf, who watch the earth from afar.
rglorpf and I have been having a serious argument over whether earth people are ready to hear the intergalactic definition of wartime ethics. Here in the extra-planetary zone we have long understood that where the obliteration of other creatures is concerned, moral responsibility is a function of altitude. Whereas it is ok for the extraterrestrial you call God to smite whom He chooses, it is not ok for Him to get on one of your buses with a suicide belt and blow you up. You are like ants to God, so for Him to kill hundreds of thousands of you with, for example, a tidal wave is because He/She/It lives many hundreds of miles overhead, at a location in space known only to your Mormons. Similarly, rglorpf and I could zap you all with a death ray if we wanted to, and would feel sorrow only at the loss of your entertaining tv signal.
So here is the ethics index: If you are right in front of a bunch of cowering schoolchildren at a UN school and take them out with a machine gun, you are a bad guy. But if you are far away, above them in the sky or at a remote missile launching site, no problem. Blasting children, not ok. Blasting school buildings, ok. However transposing the same rule of thumb into a mental state, you are justified in the sniping of children simply by thinking of them as ants. Responsibility and distance are inversely proportional, and thus a responsibility quotient (RQ) can be easily established using even primitive pocket calculators.
rglorpf has dozed off with the remote, so nitey nite for now.
x&r
So far, 917 people are dead, and the number of wounded have reached 4,100 ... and this ethnic cleansing of Gazans and their elected representatives continues.
Meanwhile, the U.S. corporate/militarily-controlled congress, along with its incoming president - B.O., continue to align themselves with the state of Israel.
I'm not assuming that Obama is a stupid man and that the members of congress are certifiably dumb (developmentally disabled - obviously - but maybe not certifiably dumb). However, one wonders: how and where does information reach these handicapped, DC lackeys? Obama has shackled himself with his (forced?) choices of advisors and appointees. So for him, his mindset is not hard to figure out. The congress - who and what are they guided by? Certainly not by their own morals and intelligence - and certainly not by we the people.
But let me not stray from mentioning the most important event of the past decade (according to many). The focus in this coming week will be upon the crowning achievement of our times - the election of a half-white, pompous male to become our next U.S. president. According to the right-leaning centrist Danny Schechter: "The breathless buildup to the Barack inauguration is steaming ahead."
So, what's really important? From my point of view, if information like the following was to be released to the general public by MSM, or even by certain alternative news sites, the American people might start to have a clue:
"...the record shows that Hamas wanted to continue the ceasefire, but only on condition that Israel eases the blockade. Long before Hamas began the retaliatory rocket attacks on Israel, Palestinians were facing a humanitarian crisis in Gaza because of the blockade. The former High Commissioner for Human Rights, Mary Robinson, described what was going on in Gaza as a destruction of a civilization. This was during the ceasefire period.
What does the record show? The record shows for the past twenty or more years, the entire international community has sought to settle the conflict in the June 1967 border with a just resolution of the refugee question. Are all 164 nations of the United Nations the rejectionists? And are the only people in favor of peace the United States, Israel, Nauru, Palau, Micronesia, the Marshall Islands and Australia? Who are the rejectionists? Who’s opposing a peace?
From http://www.counterpunch.org/finkelstein01132009.html
It's your call, America.
Part of American--the part south of the Rio Bravo--has spoken.
Chavez booted the Israeli ambassador out on his tail. (There was no Venezuelan ambassador booted in Tel Aviv because Chavez withdrew him in 2006 when the zionists bombed the shit out of Lebanon.)
Evo Morales has broken diplomatic relations with Israel (indigenous solidarity with the Palestinians) and demanded that Shimon Peres be stripped of his Nobel Peace Prize.
Lula has demanded an end to the "butchery" in Gaza.
Even in narcostates that kiss the ass of the US, Mexico and Colombia, the PEOPLE Have mounted vigorous protests in front of the Israeli and US embassies.
Those are just a few reactions by AMERICA that come to me right off the top of my head.
From your link to Counterpunch:
"The record shows that in every crucial issue raised at Camp David, then under the Clinton parameters, and then in Taba, at every single point, all the concessions came from the Palestinians. Israel didn’t make any concessions. Every concession came from the Palestinians. The Palestinians have repeatedly expressed a willingness to settle the conflict in accordance with international law.
"The law is very clear. July 2004, the highest judicial body in the world, the International Court of Justice, ruled Israel has no title to any of the West Bank and any of Gaza. They have no title to Jerusalem. Arab East Jerusalem, according to the highest judicial body in the world, is occupied Palestinian territory. The International Court of Justice ruled all the settlements, all the settlements in the West Bank, are illegal under international law.
"Now, the important point is, on all those questions, the Palestinians were willing to make concessions. They made all the concessions. Israel didn’t make any concessions."
If one reads Jimmy Carter's book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," it becomes clear that Israel is the side that has scuttled every attempt at peace with the Palestinians. Indeed, from its inception, Israeli leaders have made no bones about the fact that they want Palestinian land - at any cost to the Palestinian people.
It is sad to see how such an overtly racist and colonizing state can so successfully win the propaganda war. It is also sad (and scary) to learn just how easy it is to manipulate the majority of people.
I glanced at the Post Gazette the other day, and there was a picture on the front page taken from a service being held at a synogogue...
...denouncing Palestine's firing of missles into Israel.
Yep. I couldn't believe it either.
I'm fearful for the respective futures of the Arab world and Jewry. Hate is an infectious disease. Israel is being used as a battering ram for the imperial powers.
I still think Israel should be dismantled and that the Jews should be dispersed throughout the globe.
Or make an even trade with Europe for her Muslim citizens? Is that doable?
Well I believe it. Our local newspaper carried a large front page photo of contestants in a "Tough Guy" competition held at a local high school. These guys actually pay good money for the opportunity to beat the crap out of each other in a boxing ring, and hundreds of people travel from miles around to pay their good money for the chance to cheer them on. Most of them have probably never heard of Gaza and don't care. It's the very same high school Lyndee England attended, walking around the hallways in her combat fatigues and boots.
If there's one thing I learned when I came to this country in 1965, it's that if a man wants to moderate himself even a tiny bit from being a macho egotistical, he's automatically labelled as "girlie". All this "tough guy" mentality needs to stop because it is ruining this country, both economically and foreign policy wise. Maybe the petrocollapse will change things some or even a lot.
JWVerez:I like this comment you made,very much.
I'll join you here. Besides if a man feels the need to prove his manhood, usually he's not a man. At least thats my opinion. The strutters are the ones you need to worry about least.
That is indeed true.
One example of this is fashion. I'm not a cross dresser nor do I take the idea seriously. However, I had to defend guys out there who were mistaken as cross dressers or even called gay. One time I had to defend some guy who was harassed at for wearing tights under his pants in Denver. Two women and a guy looked at his feet and then made a big deal about it. After I detected harassment, I stepped in and put them on the defensive. The guy wearing tights was wearing it for health and comfort reasons and it had nothing to do with effeminating himself. In fact, men wore these things back in the Middle Ages although it wasn't made of nylon. Frankly, when men can wear earrings and pink shirts and women can wear trousers and ties, I see nothing wrong with guys wearing tights especially if they're doing it for health and comfort reasons and are not showy about it. Heck, male athletes do it these days. Try telling them they're gay and see their reaction.
A second example is army wives themselves. I have seen instances where wives of soldiers will threaten to embarass or even divorce their husbands should they back out of the military just because those men find out that they're going in for the wrong purposes such as Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm not saying all army wives do this but I've seen some who'll brag about their husbands serving. Ask them what if their husbands back out and I'll get responses such as "Well, he's not a man" or "If he does that and comes home, I'll sex change him and DIVORCE him" or even "I would much rather see him die for defending our country's freedom than see him come back like a coward. Cowards die many a death while the valiant taste of death but once."
JW,
I wear tights under my jeans and they protect me in the winter. It doesn't bother me that I'm a man wearing tights. Usually most men who wear tights go unnoticed since they wear them under their pants. If someone made fun of me wearing tights or tried to make a personal joke out of it, I'd usually punch him or her in the face.
JWVerez:as we married folks know, people choose each other. The men chose those wives and the wives chose those men.
Sometimes, people change and things can be unexpectedly different in a marriage. A woman may fall in love with a guy who's in the army and marry him but it's not always easy or even possible to tell what will likely happen to that marriage should the guy give up serving because he finds out that he's in to do the pols' dirty work. It's one thing to choose. It's another to choose wisely and vet your partner.
By the way, nobody's asking the US the most FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION. Where are we getting the funding from? Answer, we're still borrowing from China and Japan. If China and Japan were to quit letting the US borrow, then the US would be unable to waste taxpayer money building massive WMDs and shipping them to rogue nations such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Israel, India, etc ... Either we the people are gonna stop Congress or else China and Japan will do it one day and when they do, the US will witness the most horrendous financial meltdown that will make 2008 look like a minor annoyance !
Damn the right wing Harper "Government".
t_g
I think we live in historical times: because of the economic difficulties; because of whipped-up and constantly emphasized religious differences; because of the huge inequalities of wealth there'll be a lot of disenchanted and disenfranchised people.
Let's look at who is benefitting from all that chaos and try to stop them!
Part of the above is happening in the Middle East: the US ally (or part of the US??) Israel is representing all that's wrong and ugly with our First World society: greed, selfishness and deception/hipocrisy.
As long as there is no independent state for the Palestinians, there'll be no peace. This should be the priority of the incoming US Administration. Unfortunately my Government (Australia) is parroting the US Gov't propaganda, so no pressure from here. We don't really have a powerful Jewish lobby. Not yet, anyway, but we do have some very strong conservative voices.
I think us, moderate Jews should raise our voices, as this Israeli policy is certainly no benefitting us. We are being hated everywhere we go. I feel VERY uncomfortable with publicly calling for equal rights for Palestinians - I've been called a self-hating Jew, I had hate-mail and threatening phone calls. They were anonymous (of course!!), but I think most came from fellow Jews. Shame!!!!!
I have stopped commenting on my views publicly - I'm an elderly woman. Do I need all these hassles? Anybody else had similar experiences? How do you deal with it? Is there any way to express my views without being afraid?
p.s. my husband is also of my views and he has stopped voicing them years ago - because of similar reasons. He is also Jewish...
toad_goddess,
Thank you for your candor. I strongly believe you speak for many, especially many moderate and progressive Jews. It is clear that the Israel Lobby is strong in many places, and Australia is not exempt.
I'm not sure how else to describe what the Israel Lobby represents, other than fascism. Maybe that's an outmoded or misplaced description, but in my mind, fascism represent the use of force to coerce people, and that describes what the IL does. Whether it is actual force (as it has been many times) or coercion by other means (threats, name calling, shaming), matters not. The IL's goal is to silence those who dare question anything Israel does. I don't know what else to call it: Fascism. They are fascists.
Agreed also that there must be an independent state for the Palestinians. The only way this will happen is for Israel to give back some land. It is clear that the hardest of the hardliners in Israel are the settlers, but they are the ones who have caused much of this problem. They know what they do, they just don't care. Land at any expense (as long as it's Palestinian expense), is their motto.
The longer I look at this problem, the fewer peaceful solutions I see...unless the world coalesces and forces Israel to give back land. If the world doesn't do this, I am certain this will escalate out of control and suck the US and other nations into a huge conflict, probably worldwide and nuclear. The implications and dangers are enormous. We, the citizens of the nations, can and must do our part by boycotting Israeli products and by voicing our opinions wherever and whenever we can. We must not let the Israel Lobby force us into our own ghettos of fear, as they have done with the Palestinians. There is far too much at stake!
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
I am absolutely disgusted with some of the posts here. I don't know what has happened, but apparently there are a lot of folks here that speak of dying lightly.
Considering that you are still denying the Holocaust of 20 million Native Americans, I guess you should fit right in with those who speak lightly of dying.
Thomas,
Other than one or two post (and I'm not sure what they actually meant), I don't see much to be disgusted with. What is disgusting is what Israel is doing. The rest of us are watching in horror as we are driven insane by our own country's complicity. A few angry posts are nothing in comparison to that.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
Ted
You are much nicer than I am. I find people talking about things they know nothing about as if they know all about it very disgusting. And that kind of bait and switch, shock value propaganda is beneath contempt.
In comparison to whats going on in Gaza, you are right. But I won't suffer fools gladly. They have the right to publish Don Imus type stuff just as I have the right to say what I think of it.
Thomas,
If the posts on Common Dreams were limited to absolute experts, this would be a pretty desolate place. Plus, I don't trust most experts - they usually see only the trees.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
This slaughter of innocents is disgusting. Heard this really battered woman lying in a hospital today crying about her child (conceived after 22 years of marriage) who dies in her arms and of a father who lost two of his three young daughters who were out with their grandmother. I think one was hit with 17 bullets.
Finally we have a weapons expert to confirm that it was white phosphorus being used:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPw-mqGkL9M&feature=channel_page
And just when I thought I heard everything - the the Canadian Jewish Congress (the Pro Israel group) is trying to get protests against the slaughter in Gaza considered a hate crime! The Congress is also putting pressure on government stating that the government should insist that they stop!
~QUOTE~ The congress said it would release a list of those who co-sponsored the anti-Israel protests, among them the Ontario wing of the Canadian Union of Public Employees, the Canadian Peace Alliance and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers.
One of the groups Farber is naming, the Canadian Arab Federation, calls the congress's approach an unsurprising attempt to divert attention from the horrors the Israeli military has been visiting on Gaza and its people.
It's only normal that many Canadians, horrified by what has occurred in Gaza, would react strongly, but labelling them anti-Semitic or Muslim extremists is just fear-mongering, said Mohamed Boudjenane, executive director of the federation.
"We had 10,000 people (protest)," Boudjenane said. ...
Boudjenane pointed out that numerous Jews have also rallied against the Israeli attacks, naming some prominent ones such as author Naomi Klein and political and social activist Judy Rebick.
They aren't anti-Jew, he said, but were only there to protest the ``massacre" happening in Gaza. ~END QUOTE~
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/570376
(The Star is free registration if you don't see article at first glance)
Vaudree, if protesting Israeli action in Gaza is a hate crime, then soon I will be hung, drawn and quartered!
Congratulations on your comment. It's great to see there are still some civilized, decent people left in this crazy world.
Israel-America (spot the difference) sickens me beyond belief. They are both dinosaurs which have no place in this modern world.
www.dangerouscreation.com
Israel's cruel tactics don't surprise me. After all, they were the ones who gave the US training in how to torture prisoners in Abu Ghrab.
Israel always presents itself as the poor victim, but in reality, it is as blood-thirsty as the people she accuses of being the agressor.
Where are the liberals in Congress? Why aren't they speaking out against this atrocity? Where are Gaza's Arab neighbors? Are they all wimps with no
sense of compassion?
900 to 13 dead, and this is not genocide? Is Bush gone yet?
900 dead, and how many maimed for life? Blinded, scarred, amputatated. And how about the life altering emotional scarring and trauma of the survivors, if there are any when this finally ends? It is just so discusting.
"Where are the liberals in Congress? Why aren't they speaking out against this atrocity?"
They are cowed by the Israel Lobby, same as most US politicians. It's an ill wind that's blowing in this country, and I fear for supporters of the Lobby if/when things get out of hand. Actually, I fear for this country as a whole far more than I fear for the supporters.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
Bush is almost gone but don't expect much better from Obama. His silence is deafening.
A few days ago I discovered the free download Livestation http://www.livestation.com/ (for Mac users like me, too!), and have been watching streaming television coverage from Gaza by English Al Jazeera, whose reporters are actually in Gaza, not just hanging out in Israel like the U.S. "reporters." There are lots of other international broadcasting networks on Livestation, too. Now we can see exactly what the rest of the world sees, in real time, not just on youtube, unfiltered by our corporate media.
It is beyond heartbreaking to see war crimes as they happen, carried out by our client state Israel with weapons our taxes have paid for. There is not much more to say, except God help us, we are complicit in a new holocaust. Israel is carrying out a slaughter of civilians in a cage. I think that their universal military service in Israel has created a nation of people who have been carefully trained to commit atrocities without remorse. The relatively few Israelis who are speaking out against this carnage deserve our great respect for their courage and humanity.
This is absolutely disgraceful that over 1,000 Palestinians have died (at least 1/3 were civilians) compared with 13 Israelis. If this isn't textbook example of war crimes then I don't know what is. Maybe the illegal invasion/occupation of Iraq perhaps and the associated torture.
Where is the rest of the world? Demand that Israel get their asses out of Gaza and the other illegally occupied territories that the UN Resolutions required. Give them one week, then send in troops.
At least 4 of the 13 were killed by fellow IDF not from Hamas fire.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3655052,00.html
This is what's done to teenaged foreign Human Rights workers when they try to protect Palestinian schoolchildren by accompanying them to their homes--and this was during "peacetime", in front of the world's cameras and dozens of onlookers. Here are more details on same incident and this is how you can express your discomfiture, if you have any that is.
Can you imagine what the zionist trolls would be screaming if those children were Israeli and even Jew? They act no different from Bill Bennett who rails against "abortion" on one side while at the same time calling for the "abortion" of black babies which by the way got him into trouble.
If a few thousand more Palastinians have to die to show the world what israel is like so be it .Afterall their lives mean very little. israels policy of killing children also makes sense because they would grow up to be terrorists.
"If a few thousand more Palastinians have to die to show the world what israel is like so be it"
Have you lost your mind?
Thank you Thomas for nailing that rotten reply. I don't want anyone dead quite frankly. All I asked was for people to see what would happen if the shoe were on the other foot and I get a wacko response. I guess the zionist trolls are attacking on a different note here.
JWVerez
I truly think this is getting out of hand.
Thomas,
War and terrorism are out of hand. Our reactions are strong, and some are out of hand, but they are in response to unimaginable horror and insanity and strong reactions should be expected.
In the future, it would be helpful if you would address the individuals you have a problem with, instead of posting blanket admonitions. You can't deny that there is a strong and virulent attempt to squelch dissent, both here and in Israel. This is not good, to say the least. We can help ourselves and each other if we use directness, especially in these pixelated words that don't carry body language or expressions.
I have been guilty of the same issue, and I am trying to learn.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
And our CONgress has passed TWO resolutions stating that THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SUPPORT THE SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT CHILDREN. Welcome to the NEW AMERICAN CENTURY...where love is hate and truth is a lie.
photo of a Hamas militant:
http://chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/3/1676-molochs-altar-child-sacrifice-and-the-war-on-t...
Thomas More is right in criticizing the manner in which I posted the link. It was in poor taste. The statement was made in irony and does not translate into web-land. I offer my sincere apologies for that.
However, I do not apologise for posting the link to the photo (the article is very much worth a read, as is all of Chris Floyd’s work). IMO there are much too few photos like this being published or shown these days.
GottaGetOffTheGrid
I thank you for that. And sometimes things just don't translate well. I should know. (lol)
You of course don't have to apologize for what you posted. Anyone can post what they like. Just please in the future, label it correctly and I'm sure you would anyway in the future..
Its something that more than likely wouldn't happen again in a hundred years.
I also don't discount the possibility that it was just me that it hit like that. But it did. And that was exactly how I felt.
I thank you again for acknowledging it could possibly have been done another way and thats the end of it for me. My respects.
GottaGetOffTheGrid. Thank You for that link. Israel showed her who was Boss. azjoe.
GottaGetOffTheGrid
I didn't appreciate this at all. I don't know what your intent was, but you missed the mark by a mile.
I wish I hadn't followed that link.
While I'm not a praying man, I pray that there is justice in some life.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
So you would rather not know so that you can pretend that you live in a world where stuff like this doesn't happen? Or does the picture make it seem too real? The jaded reader knows before clicking that it would be the image of a child.
Turning away from painful image gives us a pornographic view concerning what war is really about. War is not an erotic fantasy of glory and patriotism - it is a house of horrors.
Get off it, Vaudree. I've seen plenty of pictures like this, and worse. I was talking from a place of pain - pain at the reality of what humans keep doing to each other, and to the least of us at that.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
Vaudree
And just how many children like that have you seen for real? It must have been a lot for you to be an expert on what we should see and what war is really like. How many have you seen for yourself?
I certainly wish I hadn't followed it myself. It wasn't an honest thing to do nor was it any kind of statement.
Shame on you both.
I don't understand your reaction because I know you would be disturbed at the deaths of children and your other comments show this.
Children are dying in large numbers in this siege and invasion - and that is sickening. Do we have to witness it in person in order to have a reaction or opinion? If that's your point, then I disagree completely.
Perhaps you think the person was being flippant about calling this little girl a Hamas terrorist. I interpret it as pain at the use of language to justify murder.
Joe
Look at what was posted. Look at the label. You know exactly what the intent was, what the message was.
The deaths of children particularly disturb me as most people, the death of all these people disturb most any sane person.
"Do we have to witness it in person in order to have a reaction or opinion?"
Of course not. And if someone enjoys or needs to see that kind of picture to motivate them to a reaction, or to reinforce their opinion, thats their problem. But to foist it on other people, unsuspecting, is crude, cruel and chickenshit in my opinion.
Then we have this little jewel:
"So you would rather not know so that you can pretend that you live in a world where stuff like this doesn't happen? Or does the picture make it seem too real?"
What arrogant nonsense and obviously posted by someone that has only seen blood when they draw it for a test.
I could show them pictures from the border from this last year that make that picture look like a picture of a picnic. Almost a thousand people have died in Gaza, over 5700 died along our Southern Border, children included. Want to see some pics from Darfur?
I have seen that little girl and others like her, up close and personal and I don't need some asshole trying to make a political point posting traps like that. I didn't sleep a lot last night, but folks like these that make stupid statements, try and reinforce their prejudices with graphic images I'm sure slept like babies.
If you find this justified, I'm disappointed. I don't, under any circumstances. This whole argument has gotten out of hand in my opinion. I am just disgusted.
Thomas
I suggest your outrage is a little misplaced. Did YOU expect to see a Hamas Militant? If so how would you have identified said person as a Hamas Militant and what prejudices would it have reinforced?
Your outrage seems to me more because it was not what you EXPECTED to see and what you EXPECTED to see is the mindset most people here are speaking up against.
My outrage is NOT misplaced. Prejudice. I see a lot of prejudice here. And it is certainly not mine.
Your defense of this is beneath you. Far beneath you.
Perhaps you should go over and see what it really looks like, what it smells like, not just a nice clean picture.
This kind of thing has my utter contempt. Its far past outrage. Far past.
>>My outrage is NOT misplaced. Prejudice. I see a lot of prejudice here. And it is certainly not mine.
You exhibit it more then most people here. You just call it love of country.
The Israeli government claims it targetting militants only and children by the hundreds being killed yet you choose to save your greatest outrage to a person who links to a picture of one of those dead children.
Maybe if the rest of the world was not so willing to experience the horrors of war, we would not always be rushing into another.
Instead we have it all being cleaned up for the public....Predatar drones firing missiles on villages and no one ever has to see the aftermath and people such as yourself outraged when a picture of the aftermath shown.
As to your Vietnam experiences. You chose to serve there. What did YOU expect to see?
It never occoured to me that if I had chosen another draft board, I'd have been able to choose Viet Nam or not. Stupid of me.
You had the same choice Cassius Clay had Thomas.
Or the 50,000 some Americans that came to Canada.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the war in Gaza.
Shame on you for trying to say it does.
As to my experiences, you need not concern yourself about them. You simply wouldn't understand the conversation. You have seen nothing and I envy you for it.
Sigh. I read this. I listened to DemocracyNow this morning. www.democracynow.org Jews Against the Occupation had a demonstration yesterday. www.jatonyc.org I'm glad it was the segment after some of the comments made by people at the pro-Israel demonstration. I'm older; I've never heard such hawkish, ugly comments as at the pro-Israel demonstration,(of the day before,) except for pro-war on Iraq comments by Southern US Republicans (Christians)in 2003. It's up to us, all of us. I sent thank you's to Dennis Kucinich and Maxine Waters, and let them know I appreciated their "NO" votes in the House of Reps on Friday, that I am a Jew. Do what you can. We can. We have to.
I finally got Amy's show on the radio. Finally, a better choice after shifting through so many sickening rightwing talk shows.
JWVerez:Hi. I'm glad you live where it's available on radio. Are you able to get a Pacifica Network radio station? www.pacifica.org I listen on WBAI www.wbai.org which is part of the small network. If you look at the pacifica website, you'll see something about veterans on the home page, I think.
Sometimes I then watch it on the website (one thing making me smile:I was able to figure out how to do the software to view the show online! not bad for an older woman with l o w tech savvy), and sometimes read the transcript. I like the transcripts a lot. www.democracynow.org The Esther Kaplan who has an article on CD about labor, in the center column, now, is the same Esther Kaplan quoted in the DemocracyNow segment at the Jews Against the Occupation of Palestine demonstration yesterday.
I'm getting Amy Goodman on one of the news stations on the radio but I'll have to check. I'll check out pacifica on the web since I'm not sure I'll be able to get that here.
My wife looks at a lot of these websites with me and sometimes takes ideas and tailors them for the local area audience. I live in the southern part of TX which is generally more liberal but the conservatives can be such nuisances nipping at our heels sometimes. The northern part is nothing more than a mad house probably due to its closeness to Oklahoma I think. I think some of it is starting to lighten up though. I know Goodman isn't perfect and wished she had taken Nader seriously at least a bit but with the flaming failures of US foreign policy and its relation to other nations especially Israel, I can see that even the moderates feel choked by the zionists so maybe something can be done to unite the liberals and progressives and maybe even some semi-conservatives.
JWVerez:I had a good buddy in Oklahoma, who grew up in TX, due to his dad working in oil,then when he got thrown from a car,driving on a salesman job, and became quadriplegic, moved back to family in Oklahoma. He was Dem. Died a couple of years ago, bedsores (from wheelchair sitting) after going to local VA hospital which sent him to next bigger hospital, which sent him to TX just over the border and he died in a couple of weeks from MRSA infection. He was in a sea of "red" in Oklahoma and we'd laugh about it.
I know Amy Goodman's work for almost 20 years. She's always given Nader air time. I don't understand what you mean when you say you "wished she had taken Nader seriously...,". Are you saying that Amy is one of the "moderaes feel choked by the zionists"? Amy Goodman fears no one in her work. Her grandfather was a rabbi. She once interviewed Pres. Clinton when he called WBAI on election day morning of his second Pres. election, to ask people to go and vote. The Latino music show host ran to get Amy, who came on (she was News Director at the time, or just worked in the news dept.)the air with Bill Clinton and did a 40 minute or so interview. At one point, he got angry and said, "You are not respecting the President". I heard it "real time", although it got a lot of air time after. She was not disrespectful, but just kept asking questions. Persistent. One thing I'll say for Bill Clinton, he had a lot of facts at his quick memory recall.
Amy Goodman was indeed one of the rare ones to give Kucinich, Paul, Mckinney, and Nader more of a chance to speak out and reach an audience out there. Not even Air America would try.