Israel Warns Attack on Gaza Has Just Begun
Israel warned today that the aerial attack on Gaza, which has now entered its fourth brutal day, is only "the first of several" military stages intended to wipe out Hamas.
As the army said it was ready to launch a ground incursion and tanks and infantry forces massed on the border, Israeli officials claimed the military "has made preparations for long weeks of action".
Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, upped the stakes further today when he said he had informed Shimon Peres, the country's ceremonial president, that the current aerial phase of the operation was the "the first of several stages approved by the security cabinet".
Hamas continued to fire rockets back at the Jewish state as Israeli forces carried out a fourth day of attacks on the Gaza Strip, broadening the offensive to include naval as well as aerial bombardments. But as Britain and other nations called for an end to the violence, there were signs that Hamas was feeling the strain with claims that its leader-in-exile was ready to renew a ceasefire that expired ten days ago.
Rhetoric from Jerusalem has hardened, however, with Meir Sheetrit, the Interior Minister, claiming "there is no room for a ceasefire" with Hamas until the threat of rocket fire had been removed.
Fires burned across Gaza City today where five government buildings were badly damaged in air attacks after Israel pledged to destroy any building with links to Hamas. The Islamists took lone control of Gaza after launching military action to force out the group's rival Fatah, with which it had formed a unity government, in a military coup in summer 2007. Hamas won elections the previous year, but has been shunned by the West for refusing to renounce terrorism or follow the peace process.
Targets hit by Israel in Gaza included a university building, the Interior Ministry and the office of Ismail Haniya, the Hamas political leader. The Palestinian death toll reached 360, with at least 1,550 wounded, in just four days.
Most of the Palestinian victims have been Hamas security forces but at least 64 of them were civilians, according to UN figures. The toll includes two sisters, aged 4 and 11, who died in an airstrike on a rocket squad in northern Gaza this morning.
Four Israelis have been killed by Palestinian rockets since the Israeli attack was launched on Saturday.
"The goal of the operation is to topple Hamas," Haim Ramon, the deputy to Ehud Olmert, the Prime Minister, said.
It was the first time since it launched its blistering offensive that Israel has openly stated that regime change is its ultimate goal. "We will stop firing immediately if someone takes the responsibility of this government, anyone but Hamas," Mr Ramon said. "We are favourable to any other government to take the place of Hamas."
It was not clear which party could take control if Israel succeeds in removing the Islamists. The only other party with experience of rule is Fatah but it is still widely seen by Gazans as corrupt and ineffective. Fatah retains control of the West Bank.
Ehud Barak, the Defence Minister, said Israel was in an "all-out war against Hamas", while Brigadier-General Dan Harel, the Israeli deputy chief of staff, said that his forces would erase every trace of Hamas from Gaza's crowded cities.
"After this operation there will not be a single Hamas building left standing in Gaza, and we plan to change the rules of the game," the general said.
"We are hitting not only terrorists and launchers, but also the whole Hamas Government and all its wings. We are hitting government buildings, production factories, security wings and more."
That broadening of the offensive was evident in the targets hit yesterday: the Islamic University in Gaza, a hotbed of support for Hamas but also a major educational establishment for students forbidden by Israel from studying outside Gaza, was crushed by bombs. Israel said that its laboratories had been used to improve the crude rockets that Hamas and other militant groups fire into Israel's southern towns.
Israeli bombers also hit the Interior Ministry, the first time in the campaign that it has struck general government buildings, and a further sign that it is determined to prise Hamas's fingers from all levers of control in Gaza. Along Gaza's borders, the Israeli military continued to muster tanks and troops in preparation for a ground offensive that many fear would plunge the strip - home to 1.5 million Palestinian refugees - into even more bloody chaos.
There were signs of cracks in the Arab unity that has been calling on Israel to halt its offensive, but which is wary of Hamas's Islamist radicalism.
Egypt, which brokered a now defunct ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, said that an Arab summit planned for Friday in Qatar was now in doubt. "Staging an Arab summit could be dangerous and subject to criticism, especially if it does not result in practical measures," Ahmed Abul Gheit, the Egyptian Foreign Minister, said.
He also launched an attack on Iran, the Shia state known to support and arm Hamas and Hezbollah, in southern Lebanon. In a message aimed at Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah on Egyptian television, he said: "You are a man who used to enjoy respect, but you have insulted the Egyptian people."
The Egyptian newspaper al-Ahram also hinted that Hamas was at least partly to blame for invoking the wrath of Israel with its constant rocket attacks, which appear to serve no strategic purpose. "If you can't kill the wolf, don't pull its tail," it commented.
There were also indications that, behind the public calls for suicide bombings and renewed uprisings, Hamas's own will was strained.
In Senegal, which currently presides over the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, the Foreign Ministry said that the Hamas leader-in-exile, Khaled Mashal, had declared that he was ready to renew the ceasefire if Israel ended its bombardment and allowed supplies into Gaza.
Hamas was quick to deny the report. It has continued to fire rockets into Israel, one of which killed an Arab Israeli construction worker in the southern city of Ashkelon. A missile hit a bus station in the town of Ashdod, killing a woman and seriously wounding two people. Another Hamas missile killed one person in the kibbutz of Nahal Oz. Israel said that Hamas's longer-range rockets now threaten half a million of its citizens.
More than 60 Israeli missiles were fired yesterday, but an Israeli army spokesman said that was less than had been expected at this stage in an operation that could last several more days or even weeks. Israeli officials warned that a bloody ground invasion was still on the cards. "The worst . . . is still ahead of us," General Harel said.
David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, hardened Britain's response by warning that the blitz on Gaza could encourage further extremism: "There is no point in me denying my fear that this will fuel radicalism. That is one of the dangers we face at the moment." Mr Miliband is one of several European Union foreign ministers meeting in Paris tonight for urgent talks on the crisis.
Fears of radicalism appeared to be borne out by Palestinians. "Now there is more hate and radicalism in the Gaza streets," one young Gazan told The Times by telephone from the apartment where he and his family were huddled, only venturing out to queue for hours for bread in the city's almost bare shops.
In Iran, a hardline student group started recruiting volunteers to fight Israel after the country's supreme religious leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said that anyone who died in the defence of Gaza would be deemed a martyr.
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Both Israel and Palestine are terrorist states and those involved in perpetuating the violence are in violation of the universal law of ahimsa, or non-violence. They are making it hell for those citizens inside their borders who are not involved in these violent activities. Violence is un-mellow and needs to cease for the sake life and happiness of all peaceful citizens.
Israel/Palestine should join and become one nation and it should become a demilitarized zone, a neutral state like Switzerland, a land of peace and an example to the world. Both nations are in violation. Yes, it appears Israel is the worst of the two, but Palestine would be worse if it were supported by the US rather than Israel. Violence is violence.
Shanti Om
Salaam/Shalom
Joy to the world and peace on earth, eh?
Bolton: Gaza raids precursor to Iran war
Former top US diplomat John Bolton says Israeli strikes on Gaza have ignited a multi-front war which could lead to a US attack on Iran.
Iran on full alert in wake of Israeli raids
Iran's Air Force is on alert after the country's president envisaged major regional developments in the wake of the Israeli raids on Gaza.
McCain predicts India-Pakistan war
Defeated US presidential candidate John McCain has hinted that a war between nuclear-armed neighbors India and Pakistan is in the offing.
What should we expect when America's foreign policy is made in Tel Aviv?
Only three weeks to go and our circumcised Dick might still bring the world to Armageddon.
Do we need to worry about earning money or filing taxes in the End Times? Small Blessings.
Humbaba--I think it is the other way around. Tel aviv policy is probably made with the u.s. in an undisclosed location. Do you really believe that poor simple little united states takes direction from anyone else? I think that you are a little naive about Bush-Cheney, et al.
"I think that you are a little naive about Bush-Cheney, et al."
I think you are incredibly naive about Israel's reach. If the Cuban mafia can sway a US election, Israeli proxies can do more.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
If Hizbollah or Hamas or Iran promised to "wipe out Likud" , we would have Zionists quoting this to the end of time as justification for even more attacks on those entities.
How is it that Israel can , on a daily basis, threaten violence on and the destruction of other nations and groups and there no cries by the MSM as to how "mad" they are?
Yet Hizbollah calls out to destroy Zionists and it proves they are all terrorists?
Hint: Europe and corrupt dictators in the neighboring Arab nations are also empowering the zionists.
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
It's time for the world to step up and end this. Although my confidence in the world is at an all time low.
http://www.ryanhartman.wordpress.com
I wrote to my Senators (Kennedy & Kerry) and my congressperson (Capuano) - I laid it out for them: no more support for Israel; a condemnation of their terrorist actions; no more military aid to Israel; full support for Palestinians, including using our resources and power to make sure that humanitarian/medical aid gets to Gaza immediately; a repudiation of U.S. support for the terrorist nation of Israel, etc. Don't allow pessimism to get in the way of any actions you can take. Please offer other ideas too!
December 31, 2008
Jewish Organizations Call For End to Gaza Bombings
by Ali Gharib
With a fresh outbreak of violence between Israel and Palestine, a battle of a different sort is being waged in Washington between various interests in Mideast policy circles.
As Israeli air strikes continue to pummel the Gaza Strip for a fourth day and crude homemade rockets launched by Palestinian militants land in Israeli towns near the densely populated and besieged Strip, Jewish groups in the U.S. are taking two distinctly differing tacks at addressing the latest Middle East bloodshed.
Some of what are traditionally thought of as pro-Israel groups are undertaking a major public relations campaign to support the bombing runs against Hamas that have claimed more than 370 Palestinian lives – largely parroting the Israeli government line that the attacks are a justified defense of Israelis.
The American Jewish Committee "expressed strong support for Israel … in its military operation aimed at terrorist targets in Gaza."
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) urged U.S. leadership to "stand firmly with Israel as it strives to defend itself."
In addition to a flurry of press releases, officials from the groups are making regular appearances in the media and organizing conference calls.
But instead of offering unquestioning support of Israel's latest military venture in the decades-long conflict, four major Jewish organizations are calling for an immediate end to the bombings, and for humanitarian aid in the Gaza Strip.
One of the groups, Americans for Peace Now, the sister organization of the Israel-based Peace Now, called for "the government of Israel to end its military operation in the Gaza Strip and to act toward achieving a cease-fire."
And Brit Tzedek v'Shalom, the Jewish Alliance for Justice and Peace, called on the outgoing Bush administration "to initiate an international effort aimed at negotiating an immediate cease-fire."
These strong statements, along with ones from J Street (the political arm of the pro-Israel, pro-peace movement) and the Israel Policy Forum (IPF), are in sharp contrast to many of the more hawkish traditional pro-Israel groups, who make no mention of a cessation of armed hostilities. The confident assertions from the four groups are a relatively new sort of campaign.
"You see a voice that is increasingly clear and has a significant resonance in the American Jewish community, and beyond the Jewish community, that takes a position, stakes it grounds, and won't be intimidated," said Daniel Levy, a former Israeli negotiator and the director of New America Foundation's Middle East Task Force, one of the four groups.
"This is an important position to be taking," he told IPS. "It's moving the ball forward on redefining the parameters of the debate on what it means to be responsibly and thoughtfully – rather than reflexively – pro-Israel."
The move by the groups is in many ways the culmination of a public relations effort of its own that seeks to establish a strong pro-peace, pro-Israeli voice that is not afraid to depart from the line of the Israeli government.
The groups are expressing a position that they, too, appreciate and support Israel and believe in its right to defend itself, just like their counterparts in the traditional, more powerful, so-called pro-Israel groups.
But Jeremy Ben-Ami, the executive director of J Street, says that the issue does not lie in a right to self-defense – a given – but whether an operation like the attacks on Gaza will even work.
"While … air strikes by Israeli Defense Forces in Gaza can be understood and even justified in the wake of recent rocket attacks," according to Ben-Ami, "we believe that real friends of Israel recognize that escalating the conflict will prove counterproductive, igniting further anger in the region and damaging long-term prospects for peace and stability."
J Street echoed its director's statement with a press release declaring that the recent massive escalation was "pushing the long-running Israeli-Palestinian conflict further down a path of never-ending violence."
Therein lays the crux of these groups' assertions. While many of the other Jewish groups have been at best lukewarm on the peace process and the two-state solution, the peace groups see them as essential to the continued existence of the Jewish state.
By encouraging steps that they see as contributing to peace between Israel and her Arab neighbors, including the Palestinians, they contend they are helping Israel in the long run.
Levy said that the groups are essentially saying "We love Israel too, but it doesn't do us or Israel any good to be the mouthpiece for the talking points of the Israeli foreign ministry."
Levy also pointed to the peace groups' statements as an indication of a U.S. Jewish perspective, rather than a strictly Israeli one.
Indeed, the J Street release stated that reestablishing the cease-fire and making a concerted, international-led effort toward a sustainable resolution to the broader conflict "is a fundamental American interest."
"We too stand to suffer as the situation spirals, rage in the region is directed at the United States, and our regional allies are further undermined," said the statement, speaking from a U.S. perspective.
J Street is circulating a petition that has already garnered 14,000 signatures and which the group says it is already using to lobby President-elect Barack Obama's transition team and congressional leaders.
The petition calls for "strong U.S.-led diplomatic efforts to urgently reinstate a meaningful cease-fire that ends all military operations, stops the rockets aimed at Israel, and lifts the blockade of Gaza." Those actions, it says, are "in the best interests of Israel, the Palestinian people, and the United States."
The intense pressure from both sets of groups is very much aimed at the transition team, with Obama just three weeks away from being sworn into office, said an analysis of varying views in Jewish Week, a New York-based newspaper.
Obama and his transition team have been very cautious in their brief statements about the escalation, often repeating a talking point that there is only one president at a time.
But Obama campaigned on a renewed and vigorous attempt at Israeli-Arab peace, and he reiterated his commitment when announcing his foreign policy team last month.
(Inter Press Service)
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The supporters of Israel keep saying they are only defending themselves, but how can that be when the Israelis who are the occupiers and agressors? The Palestinians are the occupied, so they have the RIGHT to defend themselves - it's very simple. Facts are facts....
It seems futile for Hamas to be launching rockets that are unguided and have tiny explosive charges, and they rarely hit anything, so the Israeli response of total destruction of the entire infrastructure of the elected government of Gaza, along with thousands of innocent civilians, is CRIMINAL. When the Nazis did it, they were convicted of war crimes, and the Israelis will face the same fate.
Israel is not even attacking the rocket launchers, yet they are supposedly the whole reason for their vicious destruction of Gaza. I just watched BBC, and they showed several rockets being launched, which they then expected to be taken-out by the Israelis who had aircraft they could clearly see above, but for 'some reason' the Israelis didn't destroy the rocket launchers. WHY? The Israelis know very well that the rockets pose little danger to their population, and every launch gives them more excuse for continuing their genocide, so they evidently WANT the rockets launched. In the past Mossad has been caught launching rockets into Israel to false-flag blame the Palestinians, but don't expect them to admit it. At the core of Judaism and Talmudic doctine, is the "right" to lie, so never believe anything the Jewish supremacist media says. As someone with a Jewish mother, I'm appalled at the 'religion' of Judaism and the Zionism it spawned. . The constant lies spewed by the Zionist media was demonstrated yet again today, after the Israeli navy ships surrounded, shot at, and repeatedly rammed the Dignity rescue boat. The Israeli excuse for their blatant, cowardly act of war in International waters, was to blame their intended victim, and say it was an "accident" (just like the attack on the USS Liberty?)!
The diary of Anne Frank is now a proven fake, just like the holoycost/holohoax fable of shame, and disrespect to all the Jewish people who really were victims. By exaggerating what happened and inventing horror stories, they have desecrated the memory of the REAL victims of that war, which was instigated by the Jewish supremacist bankers, led by the House of Rothschild (HOR). Israel is the HOR's personal country - they own most of it and built the supreme court, intending to rule over the entire world. Jewish supremacists are about to be crushed by those they attempted to enslave, and then Palestine will be able to live in peace once again. The Jewish supremacists were behind 9/11, the economic collapse (current and past), and most of the wars and terrorist attacks for hundreds of years. Because of the internet, the world is learning the truth about Judaism and the Jewish supremacism it spawned. The Jewish supremacists HATE the Truth, because it exposes what they represent. Truth and knowledge will save the world - the Jewish supremacists hadn't foreseen the internet, which is leading to their downfall. You reap what you sow.
David C--This is a rather offensive post for the most part. Hatred and bigotry just means you are part of the problem. I see no hope with a mindset such as yours. Sorry.
However, your point about the rocket launchers not being destroyed is one that appears to be well taken. I am going to look into this.
To Dump-Bush at 8:28
I couldn't agree with you more. When your getting shot at every day there comes atime when you say enough is enough. Trouble is the dogs who control hamas are the very first ones into the bomb shelters.They will let their own people die for the "cause".
Great point Cindy,
Maybe we are going about this all wrong. Maybe we need to procecute banks who tranfer funds to "anti-semite" activities like the genocide in Gaza. Anti-semantic laws are very strong and I am sure lawyers would take up cases that could intern and freeze millions of dollars used in the funding of this and future operations.
Our problems would be two-fold.
1. Some of our would-be clients are extreme religous fanatics also, Islamic militants who are marginalized as terrorists (not without reason) as evident by one of the above posts. When Harvey above calls for the "elimination" of a state he shoots himself and his cause in the foot.
2. The Kangaroo Courts of the U.S. are chalk full of skull-and-bones appointees who will probably de-rail any attempt to apply any measure of fair justice for these Gaza victims.
So once again, the power-elite have us checkmated before the game even starts.
This is why I frame the dilema in terms of a religious one. We have a president-elect who has a specialty in constitutional law. He no doubt, is cognizant of the need to restore the seperation of church and state. These holy wars are further draining the U.S. treasury and weakening our country. Airpac and others need to be viewed as extremist organizations that should not have a seat at the table. The successful future of the USA (and indeed, the world) rests in alternative energy; not in world war for oil.
The usual culprit is the American Automobile. The bushmonkey has bailed out the same old car/oil cartel in Detroit who will give us the same old bad-milage vehicles so he and daddy can sell us jacked-up gasoline until we are all slaves to the damn machines.
The enemy is really the private automobile in my way of thinking. Kill the demand for gasoline and you've killed the demand for mid-east wars/oil and the troops can come home.
What do you think, Cindy?
Best wishes.
I am still amused how some people defy logic and history.
Advice for you, go to library and start reading history of Palestine and Israel.
I bet you will find that Israelis where the fist to implement terrorism as avenue to steal the land from legal owners. Irgun Tzva'i Leum, Haganah, Lehi (Stern Gang) and other Zionist terrorist groups conducted brutal bombings against Arab civilians and British, Damascus gate, Haifa, Jaffa Gate, King David Hotel, al-Dawayima, Kafr Kassem, Deir Yassin, Qibya, Safsaf, Rafah Refugee Camp, Lebanon, etc etc the list runs in countless thousands Arabs civilians killed, For your information Stern Gang started as common criminal group of bank robbers and merderers. Progresed to terrorists then to political party they even ofered to take part in the war on Nazis side in return for German support to establish Jewish state. First question for you how do you call a organisation who blow hotels, restaurants, apartment buildings, threw grenades into a crowd of civilians, assassinated UN diplomats, peacekeepers, red cross, journalist and even blowing up ships in far away country’s. I call them terrorist. You must be calling them settlers. Second question how do you call a government originating mostly from ex terrorist, I call them terrorists heaven. You must be calling them democratic. Third question how do you will call invasion by terrorist of your land owned by your family not for centuries but for millenniums, throwing you out of your house, confiscating your land, killing your friends, parents, wife and children, occupying your country for over 60 years. I call it annihilation by criminal horde . You must be calling it wrath of Israel. Fourth question how do you call a government sancioned terrorism, torture, assasinations and genocide. I call it legitimate actions by gang of usurpers on the loose. You must be calling it responsibility of governbment to protect and defend. Fifth question do you belive in uberrimae fidei. I do not. I believe in freedom, fairness and pace but I despise the current earth biggest blood sucking insect. You probably are one of the Zionist devil worshippers with “Book of Fairytales for the dispossessed” in one hand and “Hollywood's History Book” in other.
Regards Moshe
I hope folks are paying attention to what else Israel is doing. Is the latest attack merely a smoke-screen for yet another massive land-grab?
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
"I hope folks are paying attention to what else Israel is doing. Is the latest attack merely a smoke-screen for yet another massive land-grab?" posted by Ted Markow December 30th, 2008 7:43 pm
That is a simply bunch of crap!
If Israel was interested in keeping the land they could and would have done it any of the times that they had previously occupied it. Furthermore, the Israelis have shown their willingness to give up even more land by removing settlements from disputed lands in the recent past. All the Palestinians would have had to have done is stop attacking Israel to have had peace - they weren't interested. (Read excerpts from the Charter of Hamas below)
Israel is simply tired of having a neighbor that continually shoots missiles into its civilian population among other hostile actions. If you had a neighbor who continually fired a gun into your house occasionally killing a friend or relative you would do whatever it took to stop it. That's exactly what Israel is doing, and they have the right, in fact, the obligation to its citizens to do so.
From the Charter of Hamas:
"the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"
Article Eight: The Slogan of the Hamas
"Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief."
Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences
"[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: “Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware.” From time to time a clamoring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the problem. Some accept the idea, others reject it, for one reason or another, demanding the implementation of this or that condition, as a prerequisite for agreeing to convene the Conference or for participating in it. But the Islamic Resistance Movement, which is aware of the [prospective] parties to this conference, and of their past and present positions towards the problems of the Muslims, does not believe that those conferences are capable of responding to demands, or of restoring rights or doing justice to the oppressed. Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. Since when did the Unbelievers do justice to the Believers? “And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [himself] is the Guidance. And if you should follow their desires after the knowledge which has come unto thee, then you would have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.” Sura 2 (the Cow), verse 120 There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility."
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html
>>That is a simply bunch of crap!
If Israel was interested in keeping the land they could and would have done it any of the times that they had previously occupied it. Furthermore, the Israelis have shown their willingness to give up even more land by removing settlements from disputed lands in the recent past. All the Palestinians would have had to have done is stop attacking Israel to have had peace - they weren't interested. (Read excerpts from the Charter of Hamas below)
What a lie adn an absolute ingnroing of the facts. Israel has been land grabbing since day one. Look at maps if Palestine in 1946. Less then 5 percent of the land was owned by Jews.
The Partition proposed in 1947 allocated some 57 percent of the land to Jews and 43 percent to Palestinians even though the Palestinians outnumbered them 2 to one.
Israel UNILATERALLY declared itself a state and SEIZED more territory then even the UN had allowed them claiming it as their own and driving the Palestinians out.
Since that time Israel has colonized the West bank. They have all but annexed Jerusalem which was not granted to them under the UN partition plans. They have forced the remaining Palestinians ontop less then 20 percent of the original lands.
They are stealing the land.
http://chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/3/1666-shock-awe-and-lies-the-truth-behind-the-israel...
Look at the MAPS and try and tell me Israel is not interested in stealing land.
"With increasing control of East Jerusalem, with relative security from the wall surrounding what is left of the West Bank, and with thousands of remaining settlers east of the wall protected by a strong occupying force, there is a temptation for some Israelis simply to avoid further efforts to seek a peace agreement based on the Quartet's Roadmap or good-faith negotiations on any other basis.
"In this diplomatic vacuum, Israeli leaders have embarked on a series of unilateral decisions, bypassing both Washington and the Palestinians. Their presumption is that an encircling barrier will finally resolve the Palestinian problem. Utilizing their political and military dominance, they are imposing a system of partial withdrawal, encapsulation, and apartheid on the Muslim and Christian citizens of the occupied territories. The driving purpose for the forced separation of the two peoples is unlike that in South Africa - not racism, but the _acquisition of land_..."
Jimmy Carter, Palestine Peace Not Apartheid
It is amazing to me that if one is pro-Palestinian rights, then others quickly try to marginalize us by saying the dreaded (to them) words: "anti-Semite."
I hate to tell these people, but Palestinians are Semitic and Palestinians and Hebrews share the same DNA...biblically, they come from the exact same patronage (or more than likely, matronage).
How about we say that we are "pro-Human" and the Palestinians have been occupied by other humans for decades and are being brutally occupied in Gaza right now.
I am also against the dreadful occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan...does that make me anti-American?
Grow-up, people!
Free Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and all illegal occupations!
Cindy
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to every one striking at the root" HD Thoreau
Cindy, Thank you for all you have done and your courageous senate campaign. But i simply want to point something out here, although i agree with your sentiments.
To say that you are against the occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, and that doesn't make you anti-american is true. But i think what many are saying is that there are many posts on this subject where people do say they *are* blaming all Jews and are quite racist in their remarks. It is not a matter of being against israeli policies but it is literally blaming all Jews directly. And this is very disturbing.
May you have a healthy and peaceful new year.
Thanks, Cindy. I am a Jew and stand up for the rights of the oppressed, which means I must vigorously oppose what Israel is doing and work for peace to prevail. I hear the name "self-hating Jew" from my relatives all the time. I have to stay strong in the face of this name-calling. As a Jew I learned early that I must practice "Tikkun Olam," healing of the earth, to be a worthy human being. The Israelis have abandoned Tikkun Olam and in my mind no longer understand or practice true Judaism. There is no justification for what Israel is doing. The fact that it is happening on the heels of the election of Obama seems far from coincindental.
All that being said, the appearance of anti-Jewish rantings in common dreams is heart-breaking to me and has nothing to do with the Israelis who are murdering the Palestinians right now. I am specifically referring to the angry poster who claimed that Anne Frank's diary was a fake. What harm has Anne Frank done to anyone that she deserves to be so maligned? Anne Frank was just as real a war casualty as any of the millions of Nazi victims (which including many marginized social groups, not just Jews). How dare anyone say her life was a fake? Is it not enough that other innocent victims of war - the Palestinians and the Iraqis - are treated with contempt by our media - made out to be liars when they beg for their lives? Anne Frank wrote "I still believe people are good at heart." This is simple wisdom that should be heeded by the world right now. Before it is too late.
Irisf---DITTO!
Hi Cindy: don't let the pro-Israeli people give you that emotional blackmail about anti-Semitism. You tell them that dog won't hunt. Take care!
Good points, Cindy.
This has far less to do with religion or DNA than it has to do with acquisitiveness, greed, and the lust for power.
Same as it always was...
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
Ursa
Right On Cindy!!!!
Here's a Quote from Georges Mother
Why should we hear about body bags, and deaths...I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?
~Barbara Bush
The President of Iran Ahmadineajad is/was right Israel as a Zionist Nazi type State must be totally eliminated !!!!!!!
The only way to achieve this is to educate the American masses — via personal contact and the Internet —-to explain with knowledge that it is a Jewish solution that is required — Jews have to “rejoin” humankind and admit that they are not “chosen” but regular humans and prepared to live side by side with the rest of humanity !!!
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Jews consists of 0.02% of the World’s population.
Islam consists of 23% of the World’s population.
How can Jews or ANYONE think that 0.02% of the World’s population killing 23% of the World’s population at will is acceptable ?
Gaza is a place where people are reduced to eating grass to survive and the Jewish Military is killing people there at will !!!!!!!
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The 14 Million Jews in the World through their “poster Child” Israel are causing so much misery —- WHY ??
Is it because Jews via their “Poster Child” Israel are pushing a “PERPETUAL” war–on Islam by the USA for the benefit of ?? ---------- Israel perhaps !!!!!
Israel with 250 NUKES the 4th strongest Military in the World created by the USA is just “completely” out of control!!
Shamefully it says a lot for the USA which is 80% Christian and supported Israeli Nazi Zionist tactics for over 60 YEARS !!
The hypocrisy of Americans is shameful and shows their near total ignorance fed them by the US media !!!
To really help Israel in its search for “peace” the USA must stop giving it $10 Billion of American Taxpayer every year to kill people !!!!
What Israel is doing now is sheer barbarism, and the world knows it.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
malcolm martin,
Excellent analysis of the brutal forces of capitalism. May its end come sooner than later and let rise a "socialist" model that seriously acts for the long term well-being of humanity and retroactively enforces justice against war criminals - irregardless of who commits them.
nwfisher and mymicz1,
You are truly sick "individuals" and in dire need of a reality check! So war is the highest form of bullying, right? I hope that you both meet your fate soon...
...What Goes Around Comes Around
WGACA, I like your name and the Bush and Olmert crime families should give it serious thought. Things can change so fast. Just ask the people who ran Lehman Brothers or Bernie Madoff's clients. If only you could, ask Benito Mussolini. That damn meat hook!
One minute you're "the decider" calling all the shots, can't think of any mistakes you've made. You kill from long range, never have to look in the children's eyes before they explode. The next minute you're at the mercy of the people. Small cell, the smell of your urine in the air, staring into bright lights and cameras, listening to the voice of your interrogators, thinking "what goes around really does come around."
It's nice to live in civilization where one reads of these attrocities and does not have to fear them happening to them. It's very much like republicans who live behind gated communites. They don't care because the bloodshed is not going to affect them personally.
As long as the USA keeps ignoring Jewish aggression in the middle east and permitts Jewish monopolization of finance markets on wall street (e.g. Maddoff and many others), the world will base itself on violence and greed.
We in the USA need to abolish the Federal Reserve Bank which has drained us down to nothing, and just print our own money and not give interest on every dollar to a bunch of private parasites. We need to get fanatical religious christian dogma out of our goverment and keep it out.
I worry for the world.
Human life has become extordinarily cheap this decade. Human life is valueless to the dogs of war and for good reason: there's way to much human life on this planet to stay sustainable. As the poles melt and the temp climbs outside the range of historical norm, Homo Sapiens is very likely to go extinct in the next century or two.
I don't think the surviving Geckos or cockroaches will miss us one little bit.
Financially, the day may come when our military collapses from the shear size of it's operations (The way Rome, Brittain and Spain did.) Let's withdraw all support for Israel now, and if she can't get along with her relatives, if she can't act civilized to her captive pow's; I say just let her fall into the sea. She'll just have to take her chances with her Arab neighbors. The way she treats her neighbors, I won't miss her one little bit.
Israel responding to missile attacks, suicide bombings and other hostile actions by the Palestinians against Israeli civilians is not aggression - it is self defense!
to Letto, mymicz1, et alia - Israeli Zionist shills par excellence.
This is NOT about the Holocaust and your false claims of anti - semitism.
By any measure what Israel is doing is committing atrocities against a population that has refused to be starved into submission.
The issue is NOT religion!!! It is entirely about the Israeli theft of Palestinian lands and water. Just look at the ongoing Israeli support of illegal settlements in the West Bank and the refusal to recognize Palestinian rights in Gaza (such as right to freely elect Hamas as the guv). The Israeli right wing is p***ed they were made to leave the lucrative Jewish owned factories illegally placed there.
Israel's fear is that they will be made to give back their illegal, illgotten gains taken from the indigenous Palestinian population of all faiths. Apparently they feel that they can kill all who oppose their thefts of land and water.
They even tried to kill a US Congresswoman - McKinney, in preventing aid to Gaza by deliberately ramming the boat she was on. I'm not surprised - remember the USS Liberty!!!!! - another sneak attack by the IDF.
No amount of B***S** from the Israeli shills should distract anybody's attention from the grim reality of US supported IDF continuing atrocities in Gaza.But I could be wrong !
nomoreexceptionalism called to "put and end to Israel"
Is that not a call for Genocide? (Or at least for ethnic cleansing?)
If it's not anti-semitism, please explain what it is.
If someone would have say: Any country who did XYZ should not exist - and than that person gives a list of all the countries commited XYZ, - than he is not anti-Semite.
If however, someone say: The Jewish state should not exist because it did XYZ, while ignoring everyone else who commit XYZ. - Than that person is an anti-Semite.
I'll be waiting for these double face bigots to provide us with the list of all the UN members that should be "put to an end" base on a criterion of their choice. Than I'll tell you what these peopel are.
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Israel didn't tried to "kill" US Congresswoman - McKinney. Israel tried to stop her from entering Gaza. If Israel would have wanted to kill McKinney, do you think she would still be alive?
Israel didn't refuse to recognize Palestinian rights in Gaza (such as right to freely elect Hamas as the guv) - They can vote whomever they want.
What not recognized by Israel is the Hamas natural right to indiscriminately kill Jews.
If your house will be bomb daily for 8 years with rockets and mortar bombs and you do nothing about it - than you will be in a position to say: I'm better than Israel.
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A War crime is a war crime is a war crime. Even if the victims are Israelis.
If someone says all nations and all people should be judged by the same set of rules, you call that someone an Israeli Shill. Than how would you call people who say that Jewish state should be judged by a set of rules different than all other nations?
Good day.
The criticism of Israeli atrocities is NOT about the holocaust.
If I was deprived of food, gas, medical supplies, pencils, pens, ink, etc. - I may consider replying with rockets - especially if neighbors were killed just because the GOP was in power, I may be tempted to do homemade rockets s well.
But to call the response to such actions 'retaliation' is hogwash. The response to any non-military strangulation such as is described above is 'Retaliation'. Any overwhelming armed response to that is MURDER!
But I could be wrong !
Ramming a boat is an Act of War, and the only reason to ram another boat is to sink it.
Too bad McKinney didn't drown or get eaten by a shark.
Bad Karma for you!
Israeli Jews will never be welcome in the Middle East. Their brutality over 60 years will never be forgotten and the retribution against them will continue forever.
Why don't they get the message and move to another location? The U.S. and Britain are their strongest supporters so surely they'd make a chunk of their land available so that an elitist, racist, militaristic, religiously-deranged state could be created right next to them, wouldn't they?
Yeah, pull the other leg. It whistles!
P.S. My blog continues its unceasing assault on Israel. And I haven't killed one person!
www.dangerouscreation.com
Or, an alternative plan as humane and sane as yours they could just drop nerve agent on the territories and kill all the palestinians.
Only one problem with your "plan": The West Bank "territories" are densely honeycombed by illegal Zionist settlements.
Yet your call to ethnically cleanse million of people against their wishes, only because they belong to a specific ethnic group, could be considered by some as racism.
Too bad there is so much hatred in the world.
Not all Arabs or all Muslims appose Israel.
Where does he say to "ethnically cleanse millions of people against their wishes?" LOL He says nothing about that.
Don't you dear sweet little Israel me! This monster regime has supported death squad activity in El Salavador and Guatemala. It was allied with the apartheid regime in South Africa. And need I mention the genocide they are inflicting on the Palestinians? Your holier than thou attitude about Israel won't wash with me. I see Israel for the true monster that it is.
Now is the time for US to support the UN and withdraw support for Israel/Palestine.
Agreed, ezeflyer.
There is one reason why the US supports Israel with more money than any other nation: Undue influence on US national and international policy by Israel proxies within the US.
First thing we need to do is stop dual citizenships. One is either a US citizen or one is an Israeli citizen. Not both.
Second, we suspend all aid other than humanitarian to both the Israelis and the Palestinians.
Third, we try Israeli operatives within the US as spies, and US citizens who are spying for Israel as traitors. Also, we issue green cards to Israelis just like everyone else (don't know if we do this now) and make them go home after some time. Also, we don't allow them within shouting distance of US policy, foreign or domestic.
Fourth, it they choose to continue fighting, we let them. If the Arab world decides to jump in, we let them. If they all decide to make nice, we let them. (This probably shouldn't happen, but it really is the fairest).
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
We have to do everything we can do for Palestine. We have to put an end to the madness which is "Israel". I loved Gandhi's words in a great post. It's so sad that the imperialists imposed "Israel" on Palestine -
How would you propose to "put and end to Israel"?
A nucklear holocaust? Kill 6 million Jews? or "just" cleanse them by force?
Somehow, my gut feeling tells me that Gandhi might have objected to these methods of activly "put an end to someone".
Let Europe give them the homeland in say Germany or Austria since they were the ones that persecuted the Jews.
Ending the Zionist State is not the same as liquidating its people. The Zionist state is a terrorist state dating from its inception and has no "right" to exist. The only viable option is a unitary Palestinian State. Unfortunately, the Zionists don't want this so they continue to instill hatred between the jewish and arab peoples. To maintian their hold on power, the Zionists must perpetuate the war and occupation that generates the hatred.
This archived common dreams article is also very much to the point:
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0321-05.htm
But I prefer to use Gandhi who didnt mince words, even in 46:
Gandhi: "But in my opinion, they [the Jews] have erred grievously in seeking to impose themselves on Palestine with the aid of America and Britain and now with the aid of naked terrorism... Why should they depend on American money or British arms for forcing themselves on an unwelcome land? Why should they resort to terrorism to make good their forcible landing in Palestine?"
Website: http://www.twf.org
Mahatma Gandhi Rejected Zionism
by Professor A.K. Ramakrishnan
"But", Gandhi asserted, "My sympathy does not blind me to the requirements of justice. The cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me. The sanction for it is sought in the Bible and in the tenacity with which the Jews have hankered after their return to Palestine. Why should they not, like other peoples of the earth, make that country their home where they are born and where they earn their livelihood?"
"Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs... Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home."
As mentioned earlier, Gandhi refused to view the Zionist "hunger" for land in Palestine as a right.
Later, Gandhi clarified in one of his final pieces on Zionism and the Palestine question on 14 July 1946
Gandhi went back to his initial position by categorically stating that "But in my opinion, they [the Jews] have erred grievously in seeking to impose themselves on Palestine with the aid of America and Britain and now with the aid of naked terrorism... Why should they depend on American money or British arms for forcing themselves on an unwelcome land? Why should they resort to terrorism to make good their forcible landing in Palestine?"
A few months before his assassination, Gandhi answered the question "What is the solution to the Palestine problem?" raised by Doon Campbell of Reuters:
"It has become a problem which seems almost insoluble. If I were a Jew, I would tell them: 'Do not be so silly as to resort to terrorism...' The Jews should meet the Arabs, make friends with them and not depend on British aid or American aid, save what descends from Jehovah."
[Long before his 50th birthday, he had headed the World Zionist Organization and served as speaker of the country's Parliament.
But four years ago Burg not only walked away from politics. He pretty much walked away from Zionism. In a book that came out last year, and has just been translated and released in the United States, he said Israel should not be a Jewish state, that its law of return granting citizenship to any Jew should be radically altered, that Israeli Arabs were like German Jews during the Second Reich and that, in fact, the entire society felt eerily like Germany just before the rise of Hitler.--Ethan Bronner, "How a Zionist in Israel went from leader to scourge," International Herald Tribune, December 19, 2008]
[He notes that museums devoted to the Jewish Holocaust have sprouted up across the West. And that the North American native peoples and the non-Jews who suffered under the Nazis are not deserving of the same reverence, that their suffering is somehow less tragic. We must deny the concept of the Holocaust even if the most fantastic inventions of Wiesel were abolutely true. The technical discussions of how many Jews died, and how they died, are perfectly legitimate but superfluous--Eric Walberg, "Book Review: 'Masters of Discourse' by Israel Shamir," axisoflogic.com, December 22, 2008]
Was it the same Gandhi who criticized Jews who had tried to escape or fight for their lives as they did in Warsaw and Treblinka?
Gandhi said: “The Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife,” he said. “They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs.” “Collective suicide,” he told his biographer, “would have been heroism.”
THE USA - according to a report from the US Military's "WAR COLLEGE" which is obviously the main intellectual analysis institution of US military thinking - is ALREADY pushing the consideration of Military Rule in the USA "in case of domestic unrest" -- due to "economic and other crises".
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Report_Military_may_have_to_quell_1229.html
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Report: Military may have to quell domestic violence from economic collapse
RAW STORY
Published: Monday December 29, 2008
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Deepening economic strife in the US could lead to civil unrest and violence that would require military intervention, warns a new report from the US Army War College.
"Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security," writes Nathan Freier, a 20-year Army veteran and visiting professor at the college.
A copy of the 44-page report, "Known Unknowns: Unconventional 'Strategic Shocks' in Defense Strategy Development," can be downloaded here. Freier notes that his report expresses only his own views and does not represent US policy, but it's certain that his recommendations have come before at least some Defense Department officials.
The author warns potential causes for such civil unrest could include another terrorist attack, "unforeseen economic collapse, loss of functioning political and legal order, purposeful domestic resistance or insurgency, pervasive public health emergencies, and catastrophic natural and human disasters." The situation could deteriorate to the point where military intervention was required, he argues.
"Under these conditions and at their most violent extreme," he concludes, "civilian authorities, on advice of the defense establishment, would need to rapidly determine the parameters defining the legitimate use of military force inside the United States."
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connect this with warnings from History:
"SHOULD TYRANNY ARRIVE IN THESE SHORES...IT WILL BE IN THE GUISE OF SECURING THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE" - james madison
"TYRANNY AND THE LOSS OF LIBERTIES AT HOME SHALL BE CHARGED TO THE WAGING OF FOREIGN WARS ...for they come hand in hand" - james madison
"this nation shall fall...not because of foreign enemies or threats, real or imagined, but because the people are corrupt...and Democracy eventually arrives at Tyranny" -- Benjamin Franklin
"we MUST regulate the undue accumulation of wealth and power unto the hands of a few -- for this shall surely be the death of democracy" -- Thomas Jefferson
"My fellow americans...i leave office with a warning: guard against the undue influence of the corporate/military/industrial/congressional complex....lest we lose our democracy...and we shall bankrupt ourselves in the quest for absolute security" - Dwight Eisenhower
"the Moneyed Class will Never support Wars unless a Profit is to be made...wars are always the Aristocratic mode of Pillage...they are always instigated , planned, and executed by the Moneyed Class" - Ludwig von Mises
"There is nothing Noble about War..you can huzzah it, have great parades with music bands and flags, but it is still Murder in Uniform...War is Hell...War is a Racket by the Financiers and big Businesses...and the Army is its Big Muscle and Enforcer...I was its Muscle and Chief Enforcer...all of us Serving the BIG BOSS...our supernationalistic Capitalism" -- General Smedley Butler
what were they all warning against?
Capitalism...leading to undue gaps in wealth and power...leading to crises -- leading to Tyranny.
and all were foreseen thousands of years ago by the death of the "first" known democracy , Greece:
"ALL WARS are waged for money and power" -- Socrates.
and socrates of course was forced , by "democratic consensus", to drink hemlock as his capital punishment for daring to speak out against the hypocrisies of "democratic greece". ...foreseeing the death of liberty.
today , you can see it in the encroached military/industrial/corporate/congressional complex that will NOT tolerate dissent against its prefered WAR STATE Fascism underneath its "capitalist" facade of "democracy".
"The Islamists took lone control of Gaza after launching military action to force out the group's rival Fatah, with which it had formed a unity government, in a military coup in summer 2007. Hamas won elections the previous year, but has been shunned by the West for refusing to renounce terrorism or follow the peace process."
That is MISINFORMATION... Don't believe it.
Which part of it is MISINFORMATION?
Please provide proof what the above is missinformation.
Misinformation is an understatement!
The truth is exactly the opposite, and the official story doesn't even make sense. Hamas won a majority of seats in the Palestinian parliament in a free and fair election. Why would the winner stage a coup???
it was Fatah, led by Abbas, that staged the coup with US and Israeli help. Hamas managed to hold on only to Gaza.
Lies and deciet heaped upon lies and deciet - it is almost as if Isreal is trying to confirm every antisemitic stereotype out there.
---USAn---
Abbas won the presidential elections.
The Hamas won the parliamentary election.
The Hamas staged a coup in Gaza.
All of the above are facts.
It is similar perhaps to a scenario where the Republicans wins the Congress, the Democrats wins the Presidency, and Sarah Palin stage a cope in Alaska, killing all the police officers in Alaska associated with the Democratic party.
In the above scenario, will you equally say: How could the Republican stage a coup if they have won the election?
Answering Israel’s critics
Six clichés you are likely to hear constantly in the coming days, and why they’re false
Yigal Walt Published: 12.30.08, 19:13 / Israel Opinion
1) “Israel’s response in Gaza is disproportionate”
Since when is war a mathematical equation? The basic objective of any warring party is to inflict maximal damage on the enemy while minimizing its own casualties. Was there anything proportional about the US war in Iraq? Or about Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait for that matter? Or about Russia’s recent war against Georgia? Israel is doing exactly what any other country has done in the past. This is how war works.
Would a British citizen complain that “too few” British soldiers are being killed in Iraq? Probably not.
And on a more elementary note: Palestinian military inferiority is not an indication of moral superiority. Palestinian insistence on resorting to violence despite this military weakness is an indication of poor judgment perhaps – yet it is by no means an indication of moral virtue. Being militarily weak does not make the Palestinians right.
2) “But Qassams don’t kill”
Actually, Qassams do kill. Not too often, perhaps, but dozens of Israelis were killed and wounded by rocket fire in recent years. Moreover, at this time the Palestinians are firing long-range Grad rockets with even greater explosive power. Such rockets killed 2 Israelis Monday.
Yet beyond the casualty figures, the psychological damage caused as result of living under an ongoing rocket threat is immeasurable. Would anyone in the West agree to have their family live under constant rocket attacks and be regularly woken up by sirens in the middle of the night? Would anyone living under such conditions appreciate being told that “these rockets don’t kill?” Probably not.
3) “It’s all because of Israel’s siege. Israel should allow aid into Gaza.”
Israel has allowed goods into Gaza regularly throughout the “siege”. Palestinians have been able to complement these deliveries with supplies smuggled through hundreds of tunnels (of course, they would likely be able to bring in even more food had they not used the tunnels to smuggle in missiles.).
The day before operation “Cast Lead” got underway, Israel allowed dozens of trucks carrying aid to enter the Strip. On Tuesday, another 100 trucks – double the normal number –are expected to enter Gaza after Defense Minister Barak approved the move.
In short, Israel is allowing aid into the Strip (but guess who has kept Gaza crossings mostly closed thus far? That’s right, Egypt.)
4) “Why didn’t Israel just agree to renew the Gaza truce?”
First, what truce? Terror groups continued to fire rockets throughout the lull, even if somewhat infrequently, and even if the world didn’t seem to care too much. Nonetheless, Israel clearly declared that it is interested in extending the truce. Our top officials made it clear time and again.
Yet Hamas leaders clearly declared that the truce has ended on December 19th, and proceeded to bombard southern Israeli communities with dozens of rockets daily. In short, it is no wonder that even the Egyptians are blaming Hamas this time.
5) “But Hamas was elected democratically – why can’t Israel accept it?”
Although Hamas won the Palestinian elections, it took Gaza by force, in the process hurling rival Fatah members down to their death from high-rises and shooting others in the knees with the declared aim of maiming them. Some democracy.
In any case, Israel in fact “recognizes,” de facto, Hamas’ rule in Gaza, which is precisely why it is justified in attacking the Hamas-ruled Strip, recognizing that it is indeed being governed by a terror entity. Israel did not launch the operation because Hamas is in power there – rather, it did so because Hamas is a terrorist organization that has deliberately targeted civilians with thousands of rockets over the past 8 years.
6) “Israel is targeting civilians”
You mean to say that “one of the most powerful armies in the world” has been bombing Gaza for days, deploying massive air power, dropping hundreds of bombs, and ultimately killing a grand total of 50 civilians or so in the “most crowded place on earth?”
There are two options here: A) The Israeli army is not targeting civilians, or B) Israeli pilots suck. We tend to go with option A.
Indeed, Israel goes to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties, by deploying precise ammunition and specialized techniques. In fact, nobody in the world does this better than the Jewish State.
Oh please, this isn't a "war." It's an illegal attack by people with vastly superior weaponry on people who have been oppressed for decades and have had their land stolen and homes destroyed. If "Israel goes to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties," why are so many dying from Israel's weapons? That includes many children, by the way, which I find intolerable. All of your excuses for Israel are propaganda.
"1) “Israel’s response in Gaza is disproportionate”
Since when is war a mathematical equation? The basic objective of any warring party is to inflict maximal damage on the enemy while minimizing its own casualties."
What you are defending is called asymmetric warfare.
According to Wikipedia (emphasis mine):
"There are two different viewpoints on the relationship between asymmetric warfare and terrorism. In the modern context, asymmetric warfare is increasingly considered a component of _fourth generation warfare_. When practiced outside the _laws of war_, it is often defined as terrorism, though rarely by its practitioners or their supporters.
"The other view is that asymmetric warfare is not synonymous with terrorism. It is typical, in an asymmetric conflict, for the stronger side to accuse the weaker side of being bandits, pillagers or _terrorists_. These accusations are usually part of propaganda campaigns, although they are sometimes true. Some argue that asymmetric warfare is called "terrorism" by those wishing to deny the political aims of their weaker opponents and to exploit the negative connotations of the word."
Fourth generation warfare as defined by Wikipedia:
"Fourth generation warfare (4GW) is combat characterized by a blurring of the lines between war and politics, soldier and civilian, peace and conflict, battlefield and safety. The military doctrine was first defined in 1989 by a team of American analysts, including William S. Lind, used to describe warfare's return to a decentralized form. In terms of generational modern warfare, the fourth generation signifies the nation states' loss of their monopoly on combat forces, returning in a sense to the uncontrolled combat of pre-modern times. The simplest definition includes any war in which one of the major participants is not a state but rather a _violent ideological network_."
Purposes of the laws of war as defined by Wikipedia:
"Some of the central principles underlying laws of war are:
* Wars should be limited to achieving the political goals that started the war (e.g., territorial control) and should not include unnecessary destruction;
* Wars should be brought to an end as quickly as possible;
* People and property that do not contribute to the war effort should be protected against unnecessary destruction and hardship;
To this end, laws of war are intended to mitigate the evils of war by:
* Protecting both combatants and noncombatants from unnecessary suffering;
* Safeguarding certain fundamental human rights of persons who fall into the hands of the enemy, particularly prisoners of war, the wounded and sick, and civilians;
* Facilitating the restoration of peace."
So, given that this is an asymmetrical war (as is every war that Palestinians fight against Israel), let's delve into this a little.
First, Israel is either fighting a Fourth generation war or it is a terrorist state.
If it is a terrorist state, stop here.
If it is fighting a Fourth generation war, then Israel is fighting not as a state, but as a violent ideological network.
Second, if Israel is not a terrorist organization, then it must follow the Laws of War.
But is Israel following the Laws of War? From its very definition, it appears not.
What are Israel's political goals? Territorial gain? Limiting unnecessary destruction? Protecting people and property? Are they safeguarding human rights? Are they facilitating the restoration of peace?
So, this is it in a nutshell: Either Israel is a terrorist state, or it is employing Fourth Generation War but refusing to follow the Laws of War rendering it a violent ideological network...which actually defines it as a terrorist state. (Hamas has already been defined as a terrorist organization - I am simply trying to define Israel).
This has nothing to do with religion or Jews, it has to do with a tortured ideology that is out of control all around the world, but currently employed by Israel.
I pray we get out of this before it kills us all.
Yep, the ceasefire ended and Hamas immediately stepped up rocket attacks into Israel (in adition Hamas had been violating the ceasefire on some level all along). What did they expect the Israelis to do?
Hamas did not violate the ceasefire you stupid zionist moron! Read Haaertz and you will realise that it was the Zionist govt that violated the ceasefire to provoke Hamas. You dumb idiotic fool!
So not a single rocket was fired into Israel during the period of the cease fire... and the rocket attacks did not increase when the the cease fire expired? You can insult me, or you can provide evidence to that effect.
Don't worry, you are not even interesting enough to insult.
Collective punishment is a war crime.
-TIA
Liar liar liar. How can you sleep at night.
Why is he a liar? Please explain.
Which hole were you living into not realize that it is a blatant lie?
Greetings to CommonDreamers from xglampf and rglorpf, who watch the earth from afar. We are neither strategically nor morally concerned about the behavior of terrestrials, but we are enormously attentive to your shenanigans, which we find highly entertaining. Your brains, apparently, are programmed to create problems for yourselves and then fail to solve them. We assume the purpose of this is to alleviate the boredom of being both unimaginative and incapable of intergalactic travel. No matter. Whatever you do is okay with us. Please carry on as usual, in the tradition of your excellent Three Stooges. We will post fan mail from time to time.
The fracas in Gaza has got us on the edge of our seats. Although the outcome is unimportant to us, we have discovered that the entertainment value is enhanced by choosing sides. rglorpf favors the cause of your "Palestinians" while I am betting on the "Israelis." Luckily it is like your "football" games: victories are never decisive and there is always a new game every Sunday, with plenty of action to go with our popcorn.
rglorpf thinks that because the Israeli terrorists have killed so many Palestinian terrorist women and children that now the Palestinian terrorists will become angry and begin blowing up Israeli terrorist restaurants and school buses. I am of the personal belief that the reason earth people provide these Israelis with helicopter gunships and so forth is so they can watch a kind of snuff ritual, like your bullfights. It is important that the victims be kept relatively helpless and unable to retaliate. rglorpf believes that Gazans will gain sympathy and begin to acquire some decent explosives, whereas I am betting on sick voyeurism to maintain the status quo.
Perhaps someone on your blog can help us to understand the meaning of the word "terrorist." Everybody on your planet appears to be a terrorist, though the word is always predicated of other hominids and never yourselves. It appears to us so ubiquitous as to be confusing. Why not designate yourselves Red Team and Blue Team to avoid confusing your intergalactic fans?
Anyway thanks for last weekend. Top notch! Don't let the pacifists break your spirit.
x&r
Can I come live on your world? PLEASE?
x&r, nice post. To clarify intergalactic confusions-a "terrorist" is someone who has something we want, or, is someone who lives in an area we wish to dominate.
We win the game by bombing them. Preferably at 'wedding parties,' although in their homes while they sleep with their children is good for points also.
But most important x&z, is when we kidnap a 'terrorist,' we get to torture* this perosn, which is a lot of fun, it's fun, we dig it.
*x&z, we're gonna skip this, so you all may stay pure.
Glad to get news from xglampf and rglorpf - I'm glad we are entertaining somebody. Drop us a line, now and then...
This is an interesting theory, and it would be great, if it weren't for the fact that Tehran, Hamas, Sudan, and Damascus are all guilty of some of the most henous crimes against humanity, racist statements, and massacres of their own peoples through blitzkreigs of their own. To me that means, capitalism is the lesser of two evils and western style free speech democracy is the best government we have seen thus far. I support medical socialism and believe Israel is squarely a place where anyone can get aid, as Gazans cross the border to Israeli hospitals for the last three days. Hamas has actually tried to block those casualties from recieving aid (believe me I wish it weren't true).
If you look at the failed arab state, which squanders oil money on oligarchs and leaves their people starving, (much like communism) there is certainly no model among the U.S.'s so-called enemies to try to negotiate with or emulate. With the UAW winning here in the US against the Republican assault, it is hard to make the case that workers in any of these other countries you defend have it better than the so called- capitalists. With Israel light years ahead of the world in environmentally friendly technology, and Arab states still pushing fossil fuels, it is impossible to make the case that Tehran's rule would be good for the planet. With Israel signing gay rights treaties and Arab states objecting forcefully, you cannot make the case that personal liberty is best assured by Tehran's regime. I used to be a pacifist. And then, one day, my friend was hung from a tree in Skokie Il. for being half Jewish. I stayed a pacifist, and then one day, a woman and her unborn child were mudered in Mumbai. Between those two days, I have suffered for every child, every mother. I have held my fist at thousands of dead in Sudan, Rwanda, Iraq, New York. I think, against Islamofascim, it is truly time to show some defiance. I support Islam, but I do not believe sexism, racism, homophobia or terrorism are positive Islamic traits and those who support those traits deserve no religious defence. I wouldn't support them in Jewish sects either. It has come down to Tehran using Palestinians to meet their goals. My heart goes out for the innocent, but if you don't defend yourself from fascism, no one will defend you when they take over your town. Israelis are mostly semitic and mostly socialist liberals. They have already offered a cease fire, again. Let's see if Hamas really cares.
my dear mymicz1,
Excatly the same vehemance was directed against the progressive socialist, pan-Arab Baathist and Nasserist movement of the 1970's. The current kings and presidents-for-life, such as Egypt, Jordan, the UAE, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia (your list is terribly selective, why are these countries missing from your list?) are in power, and these countries are NOT democracies today, because of US covert action and complicity.
And pray tell, can you list some of these "henious crimes against humanity" that Syria, Iran and Hamas have comitted compared to the sordid genocidal history of White People (Europe and US) over the past 500 years and expecially over the past 100 years?
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Both anti-Semitism and Zionism are the bitter fruits of capitalism. The imperatives of that economic system forced the Jewish people to endure the pogroms and the Holocaust. Meanwhile Zionists, fueled by the same economic forces, have since executed their own crimes against humanity. 62-years-ago, an unconscionable attack on the King David Hotel killed Britons, Arabs and Jews. Later would come Sabra and Shatila and now the Zionists are engaged in a genocidal assault on the Gaza Strip, a veritable concentration camp for 1.5 million Palestinians.
Capitalism created the idea of Zionism in its relentless drive to divide and more fully exploit the working people of the world. For the historic moment of capitalism’s rise to planetary dominance Zionism has effectively built a figurative and literal wall between Jewish workers and their non-Jewish brothers and sisters. In the US it has made a distant memory of Jewish leadership of immigrant workers of every stripe in pitched battles on the streets of New York to form and build the garment and furriers unions. It has squashed the great Civil Rights Era coalition consecrated by the blood of Schwerner, Chaney and Goodman. It has made unity with anyone but the US ruling class all but impossible. Zionism has performed as designed and isolated Jewish workers around the world in a “new Warsaw ghetto” called Israel.
The state that Zionism created has begun sensing its mortality and is thrashing around accordingly. The recent ravings of Israeli intellectual Benny Morris published by the New York Times can now be added to mounting evidence that the guardians of the state are in the grip of panic. The recent exchange of fighters recalls the 2006 attacks on Lebanon and Gaza and the resultant killing of civilians and destruction of infrastructure, the kidnapping of Hamas legislators, the targeting of a U.N. observer post, and the outrage on Qana. Each a desperate act farther outside the bounds of common sense than the one before.
During the fighting with Hizbollah, completely out of the blue on repeated occasions and in leaflets dropped on the Lebanese, Israeli leaders felt compelled to mention their power to erase Lebanon from the planet. A strong and confident force does not act so. The Israelis are blustering past the graveyard and their bully’s trepidation is now growing as the end nears.
Under normal circumstances the impending death of a form of racism like Zionism and the establishment of a secular state on the territory Israel now occupies where Palestinian Arabs of various religious persuasions and Jews could peacefully co-exist as equals would be cause for human celebration. Unfortunately, the panic that clearly grips Israel means they will likely join in U.S. attacks on Damascus and Tehran and resort to the use of their nuclear arsenal when all else fails. And that, on a larger scale, is the dilemma that the whole world faces as the capitalist system spearheaded by the United States begins experiencing it’s last gasps.