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TechnoratiOne day before the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, Rep. Dennis Kucinich is presenting a petition to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with 50,000 signatures urging the impeachment of President Bush -- adding to the 100,000 he has already filed.
Calling the Bush administration's military response to 9/11 "errant retributive justice," the Ohio Democrat called for a Commission on Truth and Reconciliation to "compel testimony and gather official documents" on why the Bush administration went to war in Iraq. In advance of a news conference today with grass-roots organizations lobbying Congress on the issue, Kucinich said:
Impeachment has been the first step in our efforts toward truth. The American people were lied to. We went to war based on lies. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. ...
In the face of a destructive war against Iraq, preparations for war against Iran, the initiation of a cold war with Russia, the inevitable destruction of our domestic economy from the extraordinary cost of a great military buildup, and the gutting of civil liberties, the call for impeachment has been the only remedy. Millions of Americans recognize this.
Kucinich's pitch comes one day before the nation mourns the death of 3,000 Americans killed on 9/11, and one day after Democratic Rep. Jim McDermott of Washington endorsed impeachment. McDermott visited Saddam Hussein's Iraq before the war, earning him the nickname "Baghdad Jim." Here's what he said:
For the last two years I've struggled with the issue of whether the House should impeach a sitting president. Next to declaring war, impeachment is the gravest matter the House of Representatives must consider. I fully understand the gut-wrenching consequences such a national debate could precipitate. Yet there is one fact we cannot over look or escape: America cannot regain its moral leadership in the world if America cannot hold its leaders accountable for their actions at home.
With Bush leaving office in about four months, and a presidential election campaign in full swing, no one in Washington seriously expects the impeachment drive to succeed. Pelosi has repeatedly taken the issue off the table, saying voters expect Congress to work on economic issues, not spend its remaining months trying to push Bush from office early.
But David Swanson, co-founder of AfterDowningStreet.org, argued in a press release that impeachment is crucial to possible criminal trials against the president and Vice President Dick Cheney once they leave office.
When Cheney and Bush finally face trial in a criminal court, their first line of defense is likely to be, "We served the American people, whose representatives chose not to impeach us." If on the other hand they are impeached even after having left office, the likelihood of prosecution and of successful prosecution will increase dramatically.
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Show AllGeorge W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney belong in an insane asylum. Bush is comparable to Adolf Hitler. Bush is mentally ill. Bush suffers from narcissism and megalomania. Bush lied, and thousands of people died. Bush is psychotic. Bush is dangerous. The American people should pursue the involuntary psychiatric hospitalization of Bush and Cheney to safeguard against further atrocities. God will judge and punish Bush and Cheney.
Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
The GWB Family Oil business has profited from the war, Cheney-saw has profited in his rise of Halliburton stock.
Americans paid the ultimate sacrifice: soldiers' lost lives, amputees, lost homes, lost jobs, soaring deficits.
100,000+ civilian lives lost in Iraq.
What debate really needs to occur? Just pick up the daily newspaper and watch the gradual destruction of a country.
I hate to dampen anyones spirit, but there will be no impeachment. No trial. No hauling anyone to the bar. Bush will trail off into the sunset and chaney will eventually have a heart attach and die in a few years or so. The USA will go on as it has and most of this will be just what if senarios we will debate for a few decades until something more interesting comes up. I am not trying to be cynical just realistic. Time will tell, but if history is a guide I will bet that I am right.
perceptionexperiment posted this quote, thanks! It is most worthy of repeating: “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" –Epicurus
I was just trying to give some fuel for the effort by giving the impeachment site links and the number of Democrats in the House which are more than a simple majority. But I think the vehicle has a flat tire and all the gas in the world won’t help! Nevertheless, the threat of impeachment still needs to be made! It will only help Obama and galvanize the already recharged Democrats from the Convention and nullify what I am now calling a fetid smell in a skirt on the Right. PaulMagillSmith atheists don’t pray f’nuttin. You are right about Cindy Sheehan. But it will take human votes not some invented skygod’s.
You know, logansafi has some pretty good criticisms and the Democrats ought to get with the program! Obama did do a smashingly nice job on the Letterman show this week, though!
rosmarie jakowski looks worthy of checking out. Makes even more sense than a pissing into the wind impeachment, although I think the publicity of continuing the doomed struggle would be very beneficial for the Democrats, kind of a purging of the crap that has been lingering in the party for so long. Why not do both?
Nader, Paul, and Kucinich are out of the presidential race, so if you want to waste your vote it is your right! If you think you are making a counter establishment statement, too few are listening for it to matter.
you have the whole world on your side
best of luck
cheers, b
Impeach Bush & Cheney Now!!!
It is the best, and perhaps the only, way forward as a Nation.
Without impeachment, we are leaving ourselves open to more Whitehouse Crime, tampered votes and martial law for The People. I would rather the True Criminals locked are up.
Dennis K., who knew that You would be our "Superman:" fighting for Truth, Justice and The American Way.
That's right, We don't torture. Impeach the torturers: Bush & Cheney.
Someone ought to educate our congressman and woman that it is bull to say they will support immediate impeachment if we start a war with Iran...we already are at war with Iran!
Geo. Bush has been thrown into the traffic so many times and still manages to get by without a scratch. Him and his Dick buddy can cruise through a car wash in a convertible and not get wet. $7,000,000,000,000 (seven thousand billion dollars)debt. Just remember Geo., Americans are not too far removed from the love of "Moms apple pie" and "Lynching".
No, it's close to ten trillion dollars now! Just think, much of that money is being held by foreign banks in China, Japan, Europe, and South America! They could call in that money, and then the next great Depression starts, because the pigs in this country, otherwise known as huge corporations, multi-millionaires and billionaires, mostly Repugs, don't want to pay taxes that would bring down this national debt, so it gets worse and worse as the Federal debt piles up. Of course Repugs have a great solution; keep borrowing the money, and cut any social spending in the process. Remember, this Iraq War was the first ever in US history in which taxes were not raised on the American people, and in the last decade, most US based corporations have paid NO Federal taxes.
Of course these are reasons NOT to vote for a third party candidate this time around, because giving McCain and Palin the "victory" is only going to make this situation of spend and borrow worse, as I doubt the Dems are going to have a veto proof majority, and McCain will veto any bills designed to raise taxes on the pigs I mentioned above.
A recent report, ldnearthesea, says 65% of US corporations paid NO taxes at all last year, and the corporate tax rate in the US is the lowest in the industrialized world. Let corporations step up to the plate, for the good of ALL Americans, and quit 'whining'!!!
Another recent study showed the uber-wealthy in our country will pass on to their heirs $27 TRILLION in assets (about $100,000 per person in the US if broken down per capita), yet they bitch & whine about the mis-named 'death tax'. What a crock!!! Money is like manure; it does no good unless it's spread around. Unfortunately, these greedy bastards just don't 'get' it.
The fact that Bush as only four months left in office should not be an issue..
That the facts are presented to the American people and justice is served, is the issue.
Impeach!
All of the peeing and moaning about Kucinich's chances ignores one glaring fact: both parties have endorsed the policy of attacking a country which did it no harm, initiating a war that has resulted in the deaths of over a million Iraqis and the displacement and exile of several million more. This is a WAR CRIME, regardless of the layers of legalism and ideology you who support this nonsense wrap it in. Kucinich is party to this, because he will not break with the leadership of the "democratic" party that endorses it and celebrates it. You're either, from this point forward, for an independent political leadership that will challenge this new, bloody totalitarian nightmare, or you're part of the problem.
Bring America Back !!!!
****Yes, Rep Kucinich, YOU GO, Impeachment is a process of the people against Tyrants==NIXON, BUSH< CHENEY, and we must Impeach, even though there will not be a 2/3 Majority vote to carry it out. Just as Clinton was impeached, but the Repubbys did not get the 2/3 ratification required ! Clinton was disbarred by the ABA for perjury after leaving office.
****I totally agree that PELOSI is not, NOT fit to be Speaker of the House any longer. She does not represent the best interests of the US public in keeping the Impeachment process dead. Hopefully, Californians will wake up and RECALL Pelosi with a petition vote against her in her home state. Let us give Cindy Sheehan that seat in the House and depose Pelosi from office.
***As Dennis Kucinich did from the stage in Denver, let us scream at the top of our lungs WAKE UP AMERICA, WAKE UP AMERICA, WAKE UP AMERICA !!!! There is a war criminal in control of the USA with his finger on the Big Red Button.
**On today's 7th year Anniversary. let us renew our pledge to 9/11 Victims and Families==We Will Never Forget !!!
We will pursue the real Tyrants who caused 9/11 until they feel the full extent of the LAW, Ameican Style !
Out of all the rhetoric and reasons for the motives that led to this horrendous situation, and are certainly relevant facts, there is one that has always has stuck with me and seems to be the most underlying.
It was a simple fact, said long ago it seems now. Bush, who is cruelly warped, was angry that his father was targeted for assassination by Hussein and wanted to "get" back at him. This has been reinforced by Cheney, who is very vindictive and so they created the whole thing.
Unfortunately, many others have suffered for that personal decision of action.
I promise Bush WILL be Impeached...
When he does something Impeachable...and so far he has not
and the Dem Leadership knows it...c'mon people...they would LOVE to get some payback for Bill Clinton...but they know he has acted within the Wartime scope of Presidential power...they don't refer to the Presidency as the most powerful man in the world for nothing
They didn't hesitate to go after Nixon because he had done an Impeachable Offense...so far...Bush has not...get over it
SnowWolf,
Another name for a binary fantasy personality indicating a masculine mythology containing the usual traits of a canine.
Most dog owners understand the first rule of training, and respecting, a dog is to establish yourself as the pack leader. This allusion to 'natural man' or 'mountain man' or 'Jeremiah Jones' is as valid as 'the garden of eden.' To understand the human need for identifying with mythology and symbols was Joseph Campbell's multi decade search and his writings are the substance of college course work in the Humanities.
In this venue, mere statement of opinion to what constitutes fact becomes the lead dog 'bark' of authority.
Yet it hangs in the cold, high altitude air of human discourse as the echo of childhood.
What most people don't know, is that both of _ S N O W O L F 's _ parents are:
__ B i - P O L A R _ B E A R s
Namaste
DogLeg, I think you are wasting your time trying to explain something in terms someone (SnowWolf) who is dead from the neck up just can't comprehend. Just tell the idiot (SnowWolf) to do his due diligent study of Kucinich's 35 articles of impeachment and he will find numerous that are not just impeachable offenses, but prosecutable as criminal offenses as well.
Bugliosi (who gained prominance by successfully prosecuting Charles Manson) has emphatically stated under oath before the judiciary committee he has absolutely no doubt he can successfully convict Bush for murder, and since he is one of the most respected legal authorities in America I'll take his advice on legal matters rather than the opinion of a blogger (SnowWolf) who is afraid to even use his/her real name. Denial is more than just a river in Egypt, right? LOL
Well, in spite of my also using a blogonym, I agree fully with your assessment.
It isn't just Bugliosi; there are several thoughtful books written by persons with varying degrees of legal competence. Here's a link to a bibliography:
http://www.impeachbush.tv/books/
Thanks for the link, Little Brother. I've viewed most, but am aware of the contents of the others. Too bad the inquisitiveness & reading comprehension of Republicans, fundies, and a number of Democrats as well, doesn't match that of progressives, eh?
An historical perspective, and not from the far right controlled MSM (despite false claims of it being the 'liberal' controlled media (just look at who owns/controls it, duh) is always helpful in combatting the forces of fascism. I've posted this link numerous times in the past, but with an ignorant populace, many of whom can hardly read at all, few have ever taken the hour or so it takes to read it, but I won't back down from putting it out here one more time.
If only one new person has their eyes opened then it's not wasting my time. We must always remember there are very few people in the clatch that are screwing up the lives of billions, but it only takes a very few key people to correct the situation. The founding fathers understood it's not so much a matter of quantity, but quality, determination, and staunch refusal of the few to subjugate themselves to the tyranny of THEIR King George. Here's the link:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/RothschildsTimeline-filer/frame.htm
A Dogleg does not trump a Dogface.
I guess it depends if that face is getting brown something
__ between two dog legs
Namaste
Well heres a reply to both of you...
Is he being Impeached?...NOPE
Care to enlighten me with your theory?
(and Please...No B.S. that he is Blackmailing Pelosi)
The Democrats impeaching Bush for things they themselves voted for and went along with won't work out too well for them. That's why it won't happen.
Read the articles. Plenty of offenses at least as grave as lying about a blow job.
And if Bush is allowed to do what he has done under wartime powers, maybe it's time to examine why that is. You just saying that doesn't make it right.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Epicurus
It's kind of difficult to impeach/try/convict someone when they 'game' the system by hiding/destroying evidence (emails & records) or are too cowardly to face their accusers (claiming executive privilege).
Oh...you mean like Nixon did?
Nope...wrong answer...thanks for playing
Nixon, Reagan, GWB (and Bush I), what's the difference...they're all anti-social crooks of the same mold...far more dangerous to America & the world than one who got the most expensive blow job in history in the Whitehouse...not that I don't find some of his actions just as corrupt & anti-American BTW. At least he didn't just 'claim' to be fiscally responsible, though, he actually proved it.
You mean that people sometimes commit crimes that go unpunished? You post like a drunk or a child far too frequently of late.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
No...I mean he has done nothing outside his powers as President...
Roosevelt and Lincoln...read their models...Bush has been quite reasonable considering what he legally could have done as a Wartime Prez...
What part of lying his way into war on Iraq don't you understand, you perfect clown of the far right? This has been out there for 5 fucking years and you claim there's been no impeachable offenses! Not only on Iraq but a multitude of other fronts, this has been the lyingest, thievingest, most murderous administration in US history, guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Failing to notice that is a sure sign of moral depravity and intellectual dwarfism. Trying to say Bush has done nothing outside his "powers as president" clearly reveals your devotion to a monarchy not a democracy or a representative republic. Since you obviously embrace Rove's "unitary executive" rationale for a monarchy, there is no rational basis for engaging you in any sort of sane discussion. You've been swimming in Rove's Kool-Aid for too long. Condition terminal.
Ephraim, don't waste your time with the braindead. As my mother so wisely said to me years ago, "Don't argue with fools or idiots, it's non-productive since they are mentally incapable of logical thought."
Good to see you in the mix, my friend Namaste.
Dear Democratic Party Leadership,
seriously, you have under two months to convince me and many other former die-hard Democrats that you represent anything other than complicity with what the Republicans have done to this nation.
You can bluster and posture all you want. You can echo great platitudes and party rhetoric until November. You can shriek and moan about the threat another Republican administration poses for the American people but that will not get my vote.
You have to understand, many of us no longer trust a party that will not or cannot stand up for what we believe. We will not vote for another empty promise while we see our world slipping further into chaos, spinning out of control.
And what if McCain gets elected? Maybe just maybe the resulting up tic on the misery scale might be just what we need to kick the habit of this two party binge we have been on once and for all. Maybe we will stop having to vote for old party hacks that have become so disconnected from the people and the real problems they have to deal with each and every day.
One thing is for damn sure, Americans should not be the ones being scared by those that ask for our vote and the privilege to represent our interests in the nation and to the world. The ones that should be scared are those professional politicians who will lose their job each and every time they show themselves unworthy to represent the peoples interest.
You can start by actions such as being suggested here. You can start by listing the disgusting, criminal behavior that has substituted for governance in this nation for the last eight years. You can start by publicly denouncing the corporate control of government and restore individual freedom and opportunity to this nation. You can start by disavowing militarism and the pursuit of empire through the use of violence throughout the world which has never been in the interest of the American people.
Those suggestions would only be a start but it would certainly be cause enough to reevaluate the Democratic Party. Short of that, you can just forget about any support from me or many others just like me.
g
P.S. I still like Dennis Kucinich. To bad you and the corporate media killed any real chance his candidacy could have succeeded.
If the impeachment fails -- well, I guess "if" is the wrong word -- then investigation into "possible" criminal activities as both Obama and Biden have at least hinted.
The bottom line is that he be not allowed to sit on his ranch and slowly turn himself into a Grand Old Man like Nixon --
__________
There's a glory in the morning because the earth turns 'round and a promise in the evening when the sun goes down
This is all Pelosi's fault. She gave the criminal activities a free pass. No investigations. Her resolve not to impeach allowed the 'cons to steal the election and turn it into a circus. If she had impeached the constitution could be held up and they could say "we saved it". Instead by not impeaching she implies agreement. She took all the major issues off the table. She is to be blamed for Obama loosing the election. We have been bamboozled into a fascist theocracy and that is fine with her and her multimillionaire husband. This election should be about the violation of the Geneva convention (the constitution says treaties are the "highest law of the land". But not one word about it. Nothing about the lies in the buildup to the war. Nothing about Cheney's torture chambers. Nothing about Abu grave. Nothing about the endless corruption. Nothing about the theft of the elections and the voting machines that steal elections. Nothing about the persecution of the Gov. of Alabama imprisoned for winning an election. 1 trillion a year to the war machine. Instead the Queen of Pork runs as a reformer. McCain acts like he is the proud papa-it is disgusting to see him fawn over Paling like an old man on a date with his paid for babe. This country is a joke. And the people are lemmings running to the cliff.
"With Bush leaving office in about four months, and a presidential election campaign in full swing, no one in Washington seriously expects the impeachment drive to succeed."
This is a complete straw man argument based on an erroneous assumption an impeachment couldn't be swiftly accomplished. In congressional testimony, on the same panel before the judiciary committee as Bugliosi, there was a woman seated on the extreme left (her name escapes me right now, but not what she said).
Although the hearing was just a sham & window dressing, her words were vital to the subject at hand. What she emphatically stated was that if the House chose to initiate impeachment proceedings ALL pertinent records would have to be produced, ALL subpoenaed witnesses would have to appear & testify UNDER OATH, the claim of executive privilege is inapplicable, and failure to comply was/is in of itself grounds for impeachment.
I saw a great bumper sticker recently that said, "Tell the truth, and you don't have to remember what you said". How many of you really believe, with an administration so insulated by compulsively & continually lying to America through a complicit main stream media, these guys (& women) can stand before an intense focused public scrutiny without telling verifiable lies?
Sadly, the chockstone preventing this avalanche of indignant righteous public vilification is a woman we had such high hopes for, but let us all down...Nancy Pelosi. If there is a just one, God will make make certain Cindy Sheehan is seated in the new congress instead of the traitorous Pelosi. Even athiests are probably on their knees praying for that one.
More than likely, though, Bush would show his utter contempt for Congress, Americans, and the rule of law, and refuse to testify. What then? Are secret service agents going to fire on Federal Marshals carrying out their sworn lawful duty of serving arrest warrants at the Whitehouse?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/obam-s11.shtml
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama blasted as too little and too late the decision announced by President Bush Tuesday to withdraw 8,000 US troops from Iraq and divert combat units to Afghanistan.
Obama’s remarks came in response to Bush’s speech before a uniformed audience at the National Defense University in Washington. Bush hailed the “success” of the surge that he ordered at the beginning of 2007, sending an additional 30,000 US troops into occupied Iraq.
What is a chicken hawk?
All of you who are denigrating the Democrats and at the same time calling for impeachment are looney since it will take a simple majority of the House to bring the impeachment to where the Senate will then have to conduct a trial. And guess what, Democrats and Republicans are the House of Representatives. 233 are Democrats! 202 Republican and that is it folks. No independents at all! So Democrats can have the simple impeachment majority if enough pressure is brought to bear on them.
Are you serious? You actually think we can pressure the Democrats lead by Pelosi to impeach Bush after stonewalling for years? Do you really think they are going to impeach him? When? Christmas? Ha! Who's the loon?
No matter how long it takes and how hard it is, Dubya, Cheney, & Co. must be called to account for their depredations. The concept of the rule of law depends upon it.
Gotta love Dennis Kucinich. My minivan still sports a "Kucinich for President -Strength Through Peace" bumper sticker.
"...saying voters expect Congress to work on economic issues, not spend its remaining months trying to push Bush from office early."
-Don't expect the sold out, unprincipled and thoroughly complicit Democrats to impeach Bush. The Republicans were smart enough to let key Dems know what they were doing and the Dems approved. That's why the sell outs can't impeach, if they did they would have to explain why they approved of everything Bush did. Don't hold your breath.
What the Democrats are saying by tabling impeachment is that the Constitution can be trampled upon, powerful people can ignore the laws and that they can ignore their oathe to uphold the Constitution.
The Democrats will continue protecting Bush until he leaves office. Once he's out Vincent Bugliosi has a blueprint for prosecuting Bush for murder. I hope the Dems get called as witnesses so their complicity can be exposed and documented.
Vote for Democrats?
there were NOT 3,000 americans killed in the attacks on september 11, 2001...there were 3,000 people from over 80 countries killed on that day...
IMPEACH NOW!! HOLD THE CRIMINALS ACCOUNTABLE!!
Consistency demands that if Republicans are tried for war crimes according to the Nuremberg standard, a sizable crowd of Democrats should have been hanged for the slaughter of millions of Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, and 58,000 Americans who lost their lives in Vietnam for the lies that Johnson and MacNamara and Rusk and Bundy sold the American public about the Gulf of Tonkin, and all the rest of it.
The only one of those beasties still alive is Robert MacNamara, now 92 years old, and maybe hanging him would be some consolation to all the wandering spirits who departed from this sweet old world because of his lies.
But I haven't noticed any Democrats selling tickets to that particular hanging.
Still playing by Nuremberg rules, next on the gallows we would have Nancy Pelosi and all the other Democrats who endorsed and funded torture and other crimes against humanity. It's hard to assign exact degrees of culpability for so many funding bills, so the most appropriate paradigm is probably Judge Roy Bean's maxim:
"Hang 'em all, and let God sort out the guilty from the innocent."
Jacob Freeze
The Democrats have a "smoking chimp" who willfully violated the law and called the Constitution just a damn piece of paper, and cannot find the courage to impeach. A vote for a Republican or a Democrat is a vote to trash the Constitution.
Stone cold! The dems that have stone walled the high crimes of Bush and the rest need to be tried for war crimes as accomplices;especially Pelosi. Vote third party. Believe me; do not listen to the bs that you are wasting your vote. Vote third party and you are not wasting your vote; you are wasting your vote when you are voting to trash the Constitution!
-you got it Stone and a vote for war and aggressive militarism.
Kucinich's party affiliation is his Achilles' Heel, not least because it perpetually exposes him to the charge of being a Judas goat who's tolerated because he lures a handful of desperate progressives to vote Democrat.
There's simply no way to reconcile his apparently sincere anti-war stance and support for Compassionate-State social programs with his cheerleading for a militarist, corporatist, doublespeaking ticket like Obama/Biden. It's cringeworthy-- either shamefully hypocritical or pathetically delusional.
And to switch animal metaphors, the work he does to bring a reinforced petition to the harpy Pelosi evokes the image of a cat proudly depositing a mangled mouse or sparrow at the foot of his mistress. It may prompt a brittle and fleeting smile before the maid disposes of it-- but one day, the charm of the brave little kitty's tireless efforts will wear off, and the mistress will cooly instruct the maid to pause in her chores and take kitty to the vet to be put to sleep.
Perhaps in the rarefied atmosphere of Mt. Olympus where you and your God Nader trod the ground striking heroic poses and quoting Shakespeare and Keynes in the same breath, his behavior might seem comical. Back down here on Earth amongst the rest of us mere mortals, Kucinich is a real hero for trying his best to stand up and fight back.
This is a dumb criticism of Little Brother's post. You THINK you're writing clever satire, but actually, you simply didn't understand what he said.
Kucinich is not really "trying his best to stand up and fight back." He puts party loyalty before principles. That's why he always winds up supporting pro-war Democrats, even though he's best known for his anti-war position.
Do you think he's so stupid that it hasn't occurred to him that there's a conflict between these 2 things? He knows perfectly well that when push comes to shove, he'll do what the Dem Party tells him to do. In his short address to the '04 convention, he didn't even MENTION Iraq, or torture, or any other 'sensitive' topic. At the Convention last week, he omitted a line from his speech that the Obama team didn't approve of. (The line expressed the idea that the Bush administration deserved jail time for what they've done.)
Anyone who makes the decision to toe the line of a pro-war party; to edit his speeches in accord with their wishes; to support their pro-war ticket; to refuse to criticize leaders like Pelosi for blocking impeachment, etc etc -- such a person is not really "trying his best to stand up and fight back." Rather, he's seriously compromised his own pro-impeachment & anti-war positions. And he knows it. What he's doing therefore includes an element of game-playing & theater. It can't be taken at face value.
Thanks for the cogent defense!
Actually, I DO like Kucinich. And I appreciate that he's quite intelligent and experienced, and has his reasons for staying in the Democratic Party.
But for all of the airy talk of Democratic leaders being "pressured"-- both by the few progressive politicians within the party and blocs of progressive voters-- the truth is that an effectively declawed group of house cats are demonstrably unable to move their masters and mistresses.
At least feral cats don't have to sacrifice integrity for a modicum of power.
Impeach the bastards now before they go to war with Russia again!!!!!!! The next skirmish with Russia is going to lead to the big one!!!
Hey, Bush and this crew did what they were recruited to do -- break the back of government with the exception of building and mobilizing military might to serve as the security forces for corporations and members of the "empire club." The fact that he and his band of crooks emptied the nation's cookie jar, stole elections, killed loads of people, abandoned millions of others, engaged illegal wars and voided human and civil rights was the road mapped in how to deliver and get there. Quite frankly, he did the job he was hired to do.
To pretend impeachment by the very people and machinery that goes along for the ride is wishful thinking -- even if it is a self-serving and consumptive Hummer destined to be driven over a cliff.
I agree with that Texan who suggested voting for a third party candidate. Kucinich and Nader seem pretty natural born. Can they get together?
Sophie Scholl-The Final Days
I agree Sophie. I continue to vote for Nader and WILL NOT vote for a Democratic candidate when they refuse to do their jobs, as in impeaching this president and their refusal to put the working class above themselves, their wealthy friends and their corporate buddies. Republican lite ... Nader hit the nail on the head. Not holding the president accountable is a high crime in my opinion. Maybe Nancy Pelosi should be impeached. What a pathetic house speaker she's been. I also agree we may be in our final days. What pathetic politicians and what a dumb citizenry to stand by and watch the fall of this once great nation.
"With Bush leaving office in about four months, and a presidential election campaign in full swing, no one in Washington seriously expects the impeachment drive to succeed."
No one has expected it for six years. It's been dangled before us repeatedly like some kind of sadistic bauble impossible to apprehend, and this nonsense will continue until Jan. 21, when Bush leaves office laughing his criminal ass off. Kucinich's job has been to make progressives believe there's ever been a snowball's chance in hell that impeachment would ever occur. Prosecute Bush and Cheney as war criminals as soon as they leave office, as Bugliosi has demanded. Nothing else will suffice. Impeachment under this Congress has been about as likely as compassionate conservatism.
The impeachment of the Smirking Chimp Bush is about as likely as most Americans actively seeking the TRUTH about the events of 11 Sept 2001......zilch/zero/nada. And, who says The Shrub is leaving the White House in Jan?? Still plenty of time for the NeoCons to trash the US Constitution and further enslave the people, as is evidenced by McBomb's recent success in the polls.
So, if it "cant be done" you shouldnt even try. You shouldnt try to make a statement to the Am. people, that, no , youre not crazy. This guy DOES need to be impeached. Pelosi eta l are blocking it because they were involved in so much of it. Electing a new president and keeping the Copngres the same wont change much. Sorry, I gues I still have the "audacity of hope". Sure I heard Bugliosi--thAT would be great. But, what makes yo think that that has a better chance? Shouldnt we at least censure bush??
Kucinich has been pushing this forever. He's not "late to the game".
I dont know. Maybe he feels like doing the right thing.
Pelosi is lying, putting words in our mouths, claiming that we want Congress to work on economic issues. We don't want THIS Congress to work on ANYTHING except to restore the rule of law, through impeachment of the top two criminals, and the many more who will be exposed in the investigation, AND we want this Congress to immediately get the USA completely out of Iraq.
Now, is San Francisco's 8th district going to allow Pelosi to continue putting words in our mouths after this election? Maybe they can vote for Cindy Sheehan and stop Pelosi from putting words in our mouths, stop Pelosi from trying to replace the people's agenda with the elites' agenda.
If San Francisco votes Pelosi back into office, then we will know where the real divisions are in this country. If San Francisco fails to elect Cindy Sheehan then the great majority of the US population will have no friends in San Francisco.
http://www.cindyforcongress.org/
Let's get out the vote for Sheehan. This is a MUST win for the American people who have supported impeachment. This may be the most important race in this election...
On the issues:
http://www.cindyforcongress.org/article.php?list=type&type=13
Please keep in mind that the elections are rigged. If Pelosi is re-eleted I believe it will happen because of electronic voting machines, not because the people in SF's 8th want her. From what I have seen and heard when I am in the SF bay area, Pelosi is universally despised.
If you live in the San Francisco area; you and all the people you know who despise Pelosi need to support Cindy Sheehan. Nothing could send a stronger message than to take the person who took impeachment "off the table" out of office. Even if Cindy doesn't want to stay in Congress more than one term it will show that the days of "politics as usual" are over. When elected officials break their oaths to defend the Constitution they need to be voted out of office.
So people in the San Francisco area need to rally around Cindy.
Join Team Cindy! http://www.cindyforcongress.org/
Volunteer meetings every Tuesday evening, 6:30pm.
1260 Mission Street, San Francisco, CA 94103
He'll have to impeach the American People first. Many are just upset that we didn't "win", not that it was a lie in the first place.
A common Democratic party member misunderstanding.
"He'll have to impeach the American People first. Many are just upset that we didn't "win", not that it was a lie in the first place.
A common Democratic party member misunderstanding."
dmgreenaz:
There is this common thread among common dreamers that generalizations concerning the intelligence or the political incompetence of Americans is a de facto reality, a self substantive proof for any statement of opinion, no matter the level of poor study, lack of references, indication to a meaningful intent becomes nothing more than a dog bark.
That a dog barks repeatedly has more honesty, more expression of the dog's need than this quoted slop from the more and more common denizens of the technological subculture, once a fertile ground, now sterile soil.
Impeach Bush! Evidence is overwhelming on Bush, Junior. Go back to Prescott Bush. He was behind a bank that dealt with nazis and involved in a plot to take over the presidency from Roosevelt. Then his son becomes head spook. Then HIS son is president and 9-11 happens. Mainstream media never heard of Prescott Bush. Too dangerous to let him or any of his clan loose, still a few months left to start another war.
the Dempublicans will never impeach a Republocrat President in the US Dumbocracy.
It would be like identical twins arguing over who is the ugly one.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Dennis is the William Jennings Bryan of our time. Full of righteous thunder right down to the moment when his public expects his ass to cash the checks his mouth has written. Then he's nowhere to be seen.
Yawn. Poor Dennis. He'd actually be better off planning his next so-called run for the presidency in 2012, there ought to be plenty of suckers slavering at the bait after the Obama years make it plain as day that the "democrats" have never been friends of the "progressive" movement. As for me, I won't even be listening the third time this pathetic clown plays his hand.
Amazing to me how many comments in this discussion actually attack Mr. Kucinich for standing up for what is right and necessary. His voice alone demands justice and retribution from Bush et al. Yet he is attacked for being a democrat. Yes, the dems are weak and deceitful but not all of them and it is infantile to think everyone in a group is the same.
We need more political parties, the 2 we have have degenerated into a mere charade of democracy but that does not make DK wrong. Being a democrat who stands up for truth in these troubled times deserves recognition and respect.
Sitting back and criticizing someone who fights for you deserves neither.
Fiddler Jones = GOP shill
"clown plays his hand" - Fiddler Jones - Hmmmm
IMPEACH?
waste of time
let them run to Paraguay
ask Somoza.
jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Viva La Raza
note:
{drink only South America cafe
por favor}
fuck China Vietnam communist atheist Buddhist hating little dick assholes
growing folger communist worker coffee
Viva Colombia
with pardons Your Holiness, for bad words......
There is a very good reason to move forward with impeachment. It will give the military a leg to stand on to question the legality of orders to bomb Iran, Pakistan, Russia, Venezuela or whoever the "terrorist" of the month is.
We know that Bush has made extraordinary moves via Executive Orders to consolidate "emergency" power into the hands of the executive branch which include taking over local law enforcement and imposing martial law.
Impeachment does not prevent or replace criminal indictment, but we can't wait. Kucinich is truly concerned that they will do something. This is not for show.
funeocons calls attention to a very good point that has not been mentioned before.
Think of the moral dilemma the soldier (or any officer for that matter) is in when he is given orders to do something he knows is wrong. He is obligated to follow "lawful orders" under threat of court martial or worse.
If the President of the Country is impeached, then considerable doubt exists whether any orders emanating from the White House when that person was President could be considered actually "lawful". An impeachment allows him to follow his conscience and not be condemned for it.
Except he said it better than I did and his answer covered more possibilities.
Please everyone. Everything is NOT just a political "game."
These are excellent points! KLiek I said, they should, at the very leaast, censure Bush. Everyoen acts like he's already gone. He can do alot of damage--still. HOw can we have real change without justice?
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IMPEACH both President George W. Bush, and Vice President Richard Cheney............ASAP.
Not only have they violated their Constitutional Oaths of Office, but have committed International War Crimes as Leaders of the United States.
IMPEACH them immediately, as to hesitate, enables them to attack Iran, and other targets during the remainder of their terms. They are anything but "lame ducks". They can start WWIII ..... Bush and Cheney are insane.
IMPEACH.......................NOW
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Grappa
It's heady stuff being a congressman-woman, they for the most part won't do anything that would jeopardize their privilege and fortune. Congress people in the Democratic party are the educated technocrats who figure out ways to not take a position of any controversy.
Thanks Dennis for not forgetting and just going away like some whimpering little dog. When the history of the collapse of the American Empire is written, your name will be mentioned as one of a very short list of honorable men and women who didn't just stand by while the criminals frolicked.
Poet
Thank you , poet. True progresives (I know --what the hell is that--what would you like me to cal the left)know what kucinich is about. I am very proud that he and Tubbs Jones (RIP, lovely lady), are Ohioans. It's a desert here, without people like them.
&YYY&
Those in power who already forgo to impeach for actions that stink,
Had actively refused, and therefore leads us to think,
That to the criminals by money and power they forged a blood link,
And with all Evils excused by war, all humanity will sink.
Old Hippy
Read most of the comments to the above article. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! It's time for the REVOLUTION NOW!! GET OFF YOUR ASSES, GET AWAY FROM YOUR COMPUTERS, GET YOUR RIFLE AND/OR HANDGUN, MOVE ON WASHINGTON AND AT LEAST TRY TO TAKE BACK THIS COUNTRY. OR WILL WE BECOME THE PROLES IN ORWELL'S 1984??
Please try and refrain from getting loaded and posting, thanks ever so much.....
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
I dont have a gun. You dont sound like an old hippy to me. Uto--maybe I shouldnt have let some of the people in here know i was unarmed!Why dont you post somethng different this time.
….way to go Kucinich!!...finally, a TRUE patriot or at least one person out there trying to stand up to grotesque and blatant Governmental oppression!! Pelosi….whose payroll or lobbyist ledger are you on; stop trying to prevent fair and necessary justice from being served!!
True patriots are those who stand up for our civil liberties, who try to safe-guard our hard-earned Constitutional Rights, and fight domestic governmental aggression and gross economic mismanagement. That is clearly what we have had here with the Bush Administration…everybody knows it, and so it IS, indeed, a worthwhile exercise to go through when it comes to impeaching a reckless, rogue President. If you take the time and resources to impeach a president for receiving blow jobs in the White House, you take the necessary time to impeach a president who has infringed upon and repealed back many of our fundamental Constitutional rights, single-handedly destroyed our moral standing in the world, created more enemies who bitterly hate us now more than ever before, and has essentially shattered our economic confidence. Stop acting like it would be a waste of time, Pelosi….it is necessary to ensure the next oppressive-minded government doesn’t go further down the path Bush has!
It's interesting in reading the comments just how many people are here to spread disinformation and to divide progressive people. If unleashed, the hatred surging in their veins will lead to death and destruction. Their thirst for political blood is pathological.
Did anybody see Dennis Kucinich's speech at the Democratic Convention? Amazing:
http://www.demconvention.com/dennis-kucinich
Now, the grassroots needs to convince the Democratic Party that their base is much closer to Kucinich than they are to Biden.
They know that already. The Dems represent the same powers that be that the Pugs do. If they didn't they would have impeached Bush, ended the war and wouldn't have caved on FISA. They know what we want, they don't care because they know we have no viable third party to contest them with. The day we build a viable 3rd party is the ay Dems become all ears!
Go Greens! Go Nader! Go any 3rd party that is opposed to war, for people and against corporate and government corruption!
Yes. Too bad the DNC censored his speech. He wanted to say to put Bush et al behind bars. That's why they started the music so loud.
Yes. Too bad the DNC censored his speech. He wanted to say to put Bush et al behind bars. That's why they started the music so loud.
Forget the political hubbub right now.
Bush does want to get us into WWIII before he leaves office. He has bombed Pakistan, and is pushing Russia. The US was behind the massacre in Georgia. They killed thousands of Russians with the US's approval. Bush is daring Russia to nuke someone. It is unbelievable that a world leader would be this brash. GET THIS GUY OUT OF OFFICE NOW!! He's completely irresponsible.
I think Kucinich has courage to rock the boat and demand justice in this situation. Bush needs to be put and trial and this type of leadership needs to be punished. McCain/Palin need to know that under no circumstances will this type of irresponsible leadership be permitted again. Obama to a lesser degree needs to know this as well. The era of irresponsible hubris in the foreign affairs department needs to stop now.
Dennis Kucinich needs to shut up.
Before you can bring any impeachment proceedings forward you need CLOUT. Since Kucinich has none, he's a one man band playing the same worn-out impeach bush tune. It's beginning to damage his credibility.
Does bush need to be impeached. YES! He needs to be prosecuted as well and imprisoned for treason and war crimes. It does not good to toot the impeachment horn when you have no backup.
Until Kucinich gets some of these do-nothing bobble-heads on his team. (By some I mean enough to actually impeach) he's just wasting time. He's better off fishing or knitting. He could better serve the nation by working grassroots and democratic insiders to try to gain support for impeachment first.
Personally, I think Dennis is just playing "good cop". He knows bush won't get impeached but he's part of the puppet show.
How else can you get all those (literally hundreds) of impeachable offenses actually READ into the official Congressional Record, Lorax?
According to you, the crimes should just be ignored until the leadership (pelosi) or somebody with lots of charisma or the New York Times or the Washington Post decides it should happen.
I shake my head in disbelief.