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He's a Uniter, Decider, and Now, Interpreter
NEW YORK -- When George W. Bush signed the 2008 National Defense Authorization Act into law last week, he again thumbed his nose at Congress by taking a second now-familiar step: he issued a 'signing statement' -- a declaration that effectively asserts his authority to ignore parts of the law he disagrees with.
His action brought harsh criticism from dozens of legal scholars and advocacy groups who point out that U.S. presidents have the authority under the Constitution to veto or approve acts of Congress -- but not to modify them.
Bush's latest signing statement declares his right to ignore sections of the law establishing a commission to investigate U.S. contractor fraud in Iraq and Afghanistan, expanding whistleblower protections, requiring that U.S. intelligence agencies respond to congressional requests for documents, banning funding for permanent bases in Iraq, and prohibiting funding of any actions that exercise U.S. control over Iraq's oil revenues.
One administration critic, United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ) -- the country's largest anti-war coalition with over 1,400 member groups -- characterized Bush's action as 'arrogant and unconstitutional' and called on Congress to convene hearings to impeach the president.
Bush's use of signing statements has become one of the hallmarks of his administration. The UFPJ charged that during the past seven years, the same kind of language used by Bush last week 'has been the precursor to numerous violations of law by his administration, including sections of law banning the use of torture and banning the use of funds to construct permanent U.S. military bases in Iraq. The president has signed laws blocking funding for the construction of permanent bases in Iraq six times, but never stopped the construction.'
And, in a recent statement, The Constitution Project's 'Coalition to Defend Checks and Balances', urged Congress to 'ensure through oversight that the executive branch is enforcing those laws [passed by Congress] and is otherwise carrying out its responsibilities in a manner consistent with the laws and the Constitution'.
Last month, a senior Justice Department official testified before the House of Representatives Judiciary Committee that the president is free to violate any laws until the Supreme Court rules otherwise. However, the U.S. Constitution gives Congress the sole authority to legislate and requires the president to 'take care that the laws be faithfully executed.'
A year earlier, a blue-ribbon American Bar Association task force composed of constitutional scholars, former presidential advisers, and legal and judicial experts urged Congress to adopt legislation enabling its members to seek court review of signing statements that assert the president's right to ignore or not enforce laws passed by Congress and demanded that the president veto bills he feels are not constitutional. Since he took office in 2001, the president has vetoed only one bill -- a measure to expand health care for children of poor families.
Arguably, the most controversial of Bush's signing statements rejected the so-called McCain Amendment in the Detainee Treatment Act of 2006, which categorically prohibits cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees by all U.S. personnel, anywhere in the world.
In his signing statement, Bush asserted that he was free to construe that provision 'in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power.'
Bush's signing statements cover not only the so-called war on terror, but also a wide array of bills passed by Congress, ranging from affirmative action programs to requirements of statistical compilations by executive agencies to establishing basic qualifications for executive appointees.
The use of signing statements, however, did not start with George W. Bush. In recent U.S. political history, they have been used by Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and Bill Clinton as a tool to express constitutional and other objections to legislation, influence judicial interpretation, and otherwise advance policy goals.
Earlier presidents, beginning with James Monroe, the nation's fifth chief executive, have issued such statements. But it was not until the Reagan administration that the nation saw a dramatic increase in the frequency of presidential signing statements.
Reagan saw the statements as a strategic tool for molding and influencing the way legislation was interpreted by executive agencies. In eight years as president, he issued statements objecting to 72 congressional provisions, a record at the time. His successor, George Herbert Walker Bush, topped that mark in only four years in the White House. Bush objected to 232 provisions. President Bill Clinton followed with 140 objections in eight years.
But, as noted by the American Bar Association's bipartisan task force, while the current president is not the first to use signing statements, 'the frequency of signing statements that challenge laws has escalated substantially.'
From the inception of the republic until 2000, presidents produced fewer than 600 signing statements. Since 2001, President Bush has objected on constitutional grounds to sections of more than 750 laws.
Prof. Peter Shane of Ohio State University law school believes the current Bush administration is creating faux law. He told IPS, 'The Bush Administration's repeated utterance of its constitutional philosophy shapes executive branch behavior by solidifying allegiance to norms of hostility to external accountability.'
'Like the torture memo or the rationalizations for warrantless NSA wiretapping of domestic telephone calls, the Bush 43 signing statements embody both a disregard for the institutional authorities of the other branches -- especially Congress -- and a disregard for the necessity to ground legal claims in plausible law. They are best understood as an attempt to invent law, and as an exploitation of Congress's unwillingness, at least while in Republican hands, to allow the administration's more extreme theories of presidential authority to go unchallenged,' he said.
© 2008 Inter Press Service



60 Comments so far
Show Allthewonderingyou - I can only guess what åœæ¢ means (google wouldn't give me a translation). I have six or seven ideas running through my head - all expressing varying degrees of outrage. (Am I close?)
And Happy New Year to you, too.
How does this brazen SOB get away with all this illegal manipulation of the Constitution? Why is he not challenged? I don't get it, it clearly isn't legal but everyone accepts it even if it is not to their interest.
Barn Burner,
The sad part is that it may be legal. Our Constitution is one of the few Western examples (only?) written before the Industrial Age, we are not technically a "democracy", and we've never had a populist revolution against our own government. What should we expect?
How long will it take to undo or reverse the damage done by this cabal of murderous thieves. Or; are we to late and the end of the founders dreams is coming to pass.
"He's a Uniter, Decider, and Now, Interpreter"
He's a bloody criminal, both a domestic criminal and an international "war" criminal. He should be impeached, tried and imprisoned, along with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and the rest of his criminal conspirators!
If anyone fired a gun at Bush the bullet would go right through the hole in his head. The best way to do it would be to wait until Cheney is standing behind him--which he never does! Cheney knows the danger.
Paul Bramscher February 6th, 2008 12:07 pm
"The sad part is that it may be legal. Our Constitution is one of the few Western examples (only?) written before the Industrial Age, we are not technically a "democracy", and we've never had a populist revolution against our own government. What should we expect?"
Paul, Britain doesn't even have a written constitution. Much disgusting skulduggery has taken place (specifically as regards the IRA). If the Queen stated that it was now official policy to kidnap people, torture them, hold them indefinitely and kill them without trial, a la the CIA, technically she could. I would like to think, however, that Britons would stand up to such an affront to democracy.
Why don't you all stand up for your 401Ks thats all Americans do anything about!
Are we naive enough not to see how the Republican party and all its sponsors are changing the laws of this country? We are certainly headed into a new era of totalatarianism and it appears many of the Democrats are assisting the movement.
Why has Impeachment been ignored by so many of our Congressmen? Is it because their pockets are being lined with silver? Unless we come up with candidates that are looking out for the interest of their constituants, corporate greed will continue and continue to grow! At least (4) four different Representatives have offered Impeachment initiatives, so..............
I don't have all the knowledge it takes for our political system, but I do know when I'm getting screwed.
As I have pointed out before, the reason the Congress does nothing to curb the Urinary Executive is that, by doing nothing to reaffirm the Constitution for eight years, they now have the legal precedents to inherit the same criminal government to use for their own ends.
Since both sides of the aisle are controlled by the same Military-Industrial-Oil-Medico-Pharma-Agra-Banking Complex, it will be business as usual until the collapse.
We are to be grateful for whatever crumbs are thrown our way and keep our mouths shut.
This country has degraded into such a goddamned unbelievable piece of shit the last eight years it makes the top of my head want to pop off. That Bush has been allowed to remain free, let alone President of this fucked up country is bad enough. He should have been held on war crimes chages in the Hague. That these human turds in Congress sit their like little neutered bastards sniveling about impeachment is treason as far as I'm concerned. The only solace I get out of any of this is that with the criminals running both our government and financial institutions; which are the same group of fucks by the way; the country is on a short road to hell. Once the bloated military spending bankrupts us and the Chinese tell us to shove it (probably not far off) then we'll become the third world shithole the Republicans have been striving for since Reagan. The solace part I get out of this is that at least we'll be harmless by then; so broke we can't start future wars or put gas in our cars. By then I plan on being at my tropical hacienda in northern Manitoba growing bananas and digging up polar bear fossils on weekends.
Memo to all Civil Servants who continue to uphold their oaths of office: ignore all Loonitary Executive signing statements.
Unless we can get our hands on a tape of him actually writing his own signing statement. Literally sitting down behind his desk, contemplating the Constitution and the law and all that other egghead stuff, and then picking up a pen and putting his thoughts to paper. (Typing on a keyboard is clearly behind his range of capabilities.)
Dear Mr. President,
Interpret this: åœæ¢!!!!!
Thanks.
(oh, and to the rest of you, 新年快樂!)
He only does this because he knows he can get away with it. Thanks again to Reid and Pelosi for their "leadership". With friends like Reid and Pelosi, Americans don't need enemies.
bush is not held accountable and will never be held accountable. It isn't because of a lack of people trying to get him impeached, imprisoned, or both. It's that he is surrounded by traitors. That's right traitors who will see to it that he is NOT held accountable and that Constitutional law does not apply to him. When war criminals are brought to trial, they are never brought alone. IF bush is ever held accountable, a lot of people are going to go down with him including the Democrat traitors who have blocked Constitutional justice from being served.
This is happening because Nancy Pelosi won't put impeachment on the table. Bush thinks he's home free (and he is!) and that Democrats will do nothing to stop him, thanks to Pelosi. Maybe we should start by impeaching Pelosi and then move on to Cheney and Bush. Write or phone congress and tell them to impeach Bush!
"Signing statements" are just another reason you need a Dem president working together with a Dem Congress. When you get that, you won't have one party trumping the legislation of the other party with "dare ya" crap.
As for a legal challenge? Forget it. We let Bush put government executive and corporation lovers on the Supreme Court.
You, the citizen, wanting your legislation passed without dilution at the signing table, will lose this "challenge" if a Republican is the president.
Get your Dems elected and quit watching legislative division. You don't deserve it, and you don't have to endure it more than 11 months.
Just HOW is bush a 'uniter'? I can only assume that by 'uniting' you mean uniting the Muslim nations in hatred against us. That's the only uniting I've seen.
bush has never been a 'decider'. Other people decide for him and he does what they say. He doesn't have any agenda either. That would require some intelligence.
Corporate hegemony over the Presidency and the Congress is complete. This is no big secret. Bush can do as he wishes as long as it addresses the interests of Corporate America and Corporate Americans. Congress is a corporate loyal dog that brings Bush his slipers. It's a Norman Rockwell moment!
It's good-cop bad-cop. Democrats are largely onboard with Bush & Co.
How else can we explain why impeachment is "off the table" when the majority of the country believes Iraq was a mistake, with deception and distortion -- and Bush/Cheney approval ratings are in the sewer?
Any ordinary opposition would move in for a political strike.
The Democrats' failure to mount any real challenge speaks for itself. Enablers, crypto-neocons, a culture of kickbacks, Vichy, whatever you want to call them. Republicans' job is to push Bush's agenda forward, the Democrats' job is run flak on the flank, to keep class-interests in check.
Seems that the Congress, if it wasn't in the pockets of the corporations, could simply undo the signing statements. Then all the silly ninnies in Washington could be playing at 'I'm rubber you are glue,...... ' while the whole thing goes to hell in a hand basket.
Assume, for the moment, that Congress actually believes what Bush Corporation is doing is good for the US of I. That it is cost effective and essential to project military power into the oil rich regions of middle east and Asia. Assume their are no other comparatively cheaper alternatives. Because this involves doing nasty things to the natives of that region, polarizing them into fundamentalists and terrorists, there are potential blow backs. Because there is a lot of private sector contracts and risk to be covered, companies are being allowed to set their own conditions. Because human and corporate relations are being twisted way beyond normal, the legal system and behavior codes are being destroyed. What is left is just self interest and power. Once the action of preemptive invasion were taken, there was no going back. You are in this grotesque folly till the death of your country, or till the Israel issues go nuclear in your faces with the death of most of the middle east. The rewards of such behavior to a few will be much less than the costs to everyone else. That is why the US of I is hated, and very well hated indeed. The only thing to clear it out would be peoples revolution in the US of I , and I don't see the majority of these misled, obese, stupid, ignorant and lazy bastards abandoning their fantasies of white racial supremacy, godliness, omnipotence and democracy. The victims of US of I interest have their own drawbacks, as we all do, but they are definitely not threats to world peace.
Not to worry. Our Democrats in Congress will hold he feet to the fire. Not.
Another day another outrage, I guess we should be used to it by now.
Be creative in your searching. :-)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22ting2+zhi3%22&btnG=Search
The "Line Item Veto Law of 1996" was declared unconstitutional Feb 12, 1998 and in a 6-3 decision that ruling was affirmed by the Supreme Court Jun 25, 1998.
The 6-3 ruling said that the Constitution gives a president only two choices: either sign legislation or send it back to Congress. The 1996 line-item veto law allowed the president to pencil out specific spending items approved by the Congress.
Bush is in contempt of Congress.
duh!
The Chinese thewondering you posted:
"You Stop-or Stop it"
second part Xinnian Kuai La or Happy New Year (Chinese New Year)
He does it 'cuz he's allowed to. Not much use in gnashing our teeth at this late stage of the game. Even though our elected voice of the people in Congress ain't listening to us, our voices are being heard at the polling places:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/06/democrats-shatter-turnout-primary-season-records/
and it sounds real good!
While we complain about the fascist control that has been exerted all over the planet, the majority think that their governments are doing the sensible conservative thing.
The media no longer report the truth - they dictate what the masses are to believe. Those in congress that have touched on impeachment failed to get public support because your media has the public in their pockets.
More of a mush head article and comments. The checks and balances of the Constitution are myths that keep getting in the way of real understanding of the U.S. political system. The Constitution is an 18th century document that was designed to check the population, not the government. Madison's very apt phrase, "who is to guard the guardians" was meant as a propaganda tool to establish the rule of minorities--white rich ones, that is, and there has never been a serious check on executive power or of private businesses that can stop any legislation that is beneficial to the population. Richard NIXON was not threatened with impeachmment because of the war he conducted in Southeast Asia, but because he got caught in a rather silly cover-up of his hench mens activaties. Bill Clinton should have been impeached for reasons that had nothing to do with the actual charges against him, and Reagan certainly should have been for Irangate. The Constitution is open to all types of abuses, ones we have seen in the Bush administration, but also in others, because it is a vague document that does allow for interpretation--indeed, requires interpretation. And when the population and the courts, which are nothing but symbols of intellectual corruption, allow interpretations to go unchallenged, as they do in 99.9999999 % of the cases, the result is what we normally find-- Presidents do what they want to do. The remedy is not to rail against such things as signings--that are only one of many ways for presidents to do what they want to do--but to begin agitating for a constitutional convention to change the damn thing into something useful as a real way to put an end to the intellectual corruption that leads to all types of consequences, none of them beneficial to the population. Mush headed liberalism has to go; a constitutional convention must be forth coming or we will be at war with the world if that war criminal and war monger McCain becomes president. If you think Bush is bad, McCain will make him look almost saintly.
TREASON...Arrest...indict......convict.....imprison.....HANG!!! Of what use Congress? He's crapped on the people, crapped on the Constitution, crapped on the Congress, crapped on the ME, crapped on New Orleans, crapped on the National Guard, crapped on the vets and will soon crap on himself when those handcuffs are put in place!
History is repeating itself. Just as with the Romans, there Senate became corrupt and now our Congress and Senate has become corrupt. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The only thing that we can do is sit back and watch as these bastards continue to rob us. If there were only more brave souls in congress as the ones in Brattleboro Vermont we might have a chance. We need the Green Mountain Boys once again
Greetings from The Nether Reaches. As you know, I died in 1994 but it's taken this long to get my internet connection. I believe this (expletive deleted) place is run by (expletive deleted) Hubert Humphrey and other damp, limp wristed jelly fish pinkos. This is what I want to say is this: I tried to win in Vietnam but the yellow-bellies, cowards and pussies, the beatniks and what one true red-blooded redneck American in "Easy Rider" called "refugees from a go-rilla love-in" forced me to snatch defeat from the jaws of Victory. And now a new generation of yellow-bellies, cowards and pussies, i.e., you (expletive deleted) (expletive deleted) are trying to pull the same (expletive deleted) thing in Iraq. The (expletive deleted) ragheads must be shown who's boss. Someone get this message to George W. Bush: Stand tall. Play hard and give 110% at all times. Quitters never win and winners never quit. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. And remember - others may hate you, so don't let yourself be fooled once, or even twice. Your enemies will be, as General Patton said, a portion for foxes. God Bless you and congratulations to the New York Giants. Way to go! I hate (expletive deleted) Massachusetts!
When are we going to indict, impeach and hang this treasonist SOB? Along with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid? All criminals. We are witnessing the decline if the USA by not getting rid of these traitors now. Forget the election, get with this now.
Very interesting post, josephmorton. Thanks for making it.
I've always thought that the biggest problem with the Constitution is that it is so darned ambiguous. What Bush is doing is making it very clear that this can no longer be denied. At least it seems that way to me.
"Bush's latest signing statement declares his right to ignore sections of the law establishing....."
In other words: F**k the idea of protecting taxpayers money from government and corporate fraud; f**k the whistleblowers who want to get us impeached for breaking the law; f**k Congress and their contstitutional obligation to provide checks & balances for "we the people"; f**k the constitutional and congressional "power of the purse"; and essentially, f**k anyone in this country who believes that "a goddamned piece of paper" is going to rule the self-appointed King George!
"But, as noted by the American Bar Association's bipartisan task force, while the current president is not the first to use signing statements, 'the frequency of signing statements that challenge laws has escalated substantially."
Who gives a shit if he is not the first to use these "singing statements"?
The question is: "Where" in the United States Constitution does it give permission to ANY president to issue signing statements? Are they legal or illegal? That's the question that needs to be answered!
Congress has let our usurper-in-chief get away with murder.
We have found the habeas' cadaver!
dixie February 6th, 2008 2:15 pm
wrote, "Maybe we should start by impeaching Pelosi and then move on to Cheney and Bush." Can we do this? If so, that is the place to put your money! Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid have abrogated their responsibility to the Constitution. An impeachable offense! If the rest of the Democrats saw these two on the gallows, something tells me they would either get off their geletinous backsides and get the impeachment ball rolling. Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps they would simply expedite the inevitable delivery of the rest of us into the hands of the tyrants. As for me, the time has come to shop for a new nation. To turtle20, hope you have some room for me on your tropical hacienda in Manitoba. And to Richard Nixon, you must come as the "jester" for our new paradise. Your post was a refreshing laugh after 24 hours of Super-Tuesday drivel. We're screwed! I'm packin'!
The Dems could stop this if they wanted. The Constitution gives them the power to do it, just like it does not give Bush the power to do this.
When someone could stop something and they don't, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that they support this.
The way to 'impeach' Pelosi is to support Cindy Sheehan. If you've actually read the Constitution (its online and easy to find), there's no such thing as 'impeaching' a Congressperson.
But if you put time and money and effort into Cindy Sheehan's campaign, you can kick Pelosi out of Congress.
http://www.cindyforcongress.org/
And otherwise, Vote Green!
COMarc,
That's a symbolic victory, but Cindy Sheehan is only a small part of the puzzle. She needs to work with a council of about 99+ other progressives and get elected at the same time as a bloc.
Keep in mind that Pelosi (her politics, not her as an individual) are the result of a vote in the House. She is the embodiment or aggregate of the House as a whole. Replace her with a single progressive and virtually nothing changes. But the House was fixed at size in 1911 to 435 members. I figure we need a progressive bloc of at least 25% to vote alongside the Dems (who are center-"right") in order to make any impact whatsoever, and get enablers out of there.
Sadly, the number of representatives was fixed in 1911 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Law_62-5). The US population then was about 92 million. So by today's ratio we have less than a third of the representation we enjoyed back then. The Senate is even worse -- not population proportionate at all.
Barn Burner February 6th, 2008 11:52 am
How does this brazen SOB get away with all this illegal manipulation of the Constitution? Why is he not challenged?
Please allow me to give it a shot:
He is not challenged because we do not have an opposition party in this country. The Bend-over_crats are actually in agreement with almost all of the bush agenda and that's why they vote in support of it. Notice how the O'Billarys both voted to support and fund the illegal invasion/war/occupation of Iraq for oil profits although they now pretend to be against it in order to win votes. Say anything, do anything to win.
If the Democrats were not in bed with the Republicans then why is their 2000 candidate for vice president, Joe Liberman on camera kissing, cozying and smooching with bush while they thought no one was watching. Why is the former Democratic Leadership Council Chairman, Joe Lieberman currently out on the campaign trail stumping for Republican John "Hundred Years War" McCain? That is what what a Bend-over_crat is. Enough said.
That is why bush can do whatever he pleases and if the Bend-over_crats can guarantee nothing else you can bet on Nancy Pelosi's promise that no matter what bush does and how many laws he breaks she will make sure as Speaker of the House that any attempt to impeach bush will NEVER see the light of day.
The party should be updated and renamed the Democratic-Republican Party. That's who they really are. We need to finally dump the worthless Dims and go Green or another 3rd party. If "Hundred Years War" McCain wins that may be just what we need. He will drive this country straight into the dirt and maybe then that will wake up unite all the people against the plutocracy/oligarchy and their fronting politicians like the two O'Billarys and "100 Years War" McCain that play us like puppets on a string.
The Bend-over_crats aren't worth a bucket of warm spit. Dump them!
The constitution is not ambiguous. Its only that no one has followed it for a long, long time now. But for the first 150 or so years of this country, they had no problem understanding what it meant.
What we've seen is a massive power grab by the Federal govt over the last 70 years or so. The Federal govt was much smaller and had much less power in say 1910 than it does today. Much of what the Federal govt now claims as their power used to belong to the states.
And we've seen the Executive branch grab power, and Congress willingly cede power in the last 50 years or so.
Congress's in the past could have easily stopped this. Impeachment would be one answer, and you can find scholars that will say that this is almost the poster child case for why impeachment is in the Constitution. Also, the Congress's willingness to rubber-stamp any judge the Republicans put forward weakens their power. Early Congress' would never have approved judges like Alito and Roberts who would probably side with Bush if this case ended up in the Surpreme Court.
In recent years, the blame for this falls on both the Republicans and the Democrats. The constant unwillingness of the Dems to ever challenge Bush is a big part of this.
So, go vote Dem and register your own support for this behaviour. Or vote Green and make your displeasure clear. Voting Green is how to fix this.
Ask both Obama and Clinton why they have been so willing to confirm both Surpreme Court judges and Attorney Generals who allow this. Ask both why they haven't already impeached this criminal President.
The President is free to break all laws until the Supreme Court calls him on it. THESE LUNATICS ARE JUDGES?
Maybe Dubya can read sign language too. I have my hand up, all fingers are bend down except for one which is between my index and ring fingers. that one sticks straight up. Nah I got to send a pic to Dubya he can't make it out.
Bush no longer deserves a comment.
To the big mouth who calls him self a viet nam vet, I say YOUR SPEEL IS full of shit like a lot of people who claim to be vetS but think a B A R is a place you order a beer.
Just another person trying to re-write history. If you knew anything about the The police action in Nam you would know that it was another [Dem in this case] cowboy from Texas who tryed to occupy another peoples land, and thought they wouldn't object.
The real truth is the only way that conflict could have been different is by attacking China.They were the real force supporting the north.
Before you get all indignant and start calling people names , at least know your facts.
No more revisionist history!
Respectfully submitted by a Viet Nam Vet., A active member of Vets against the war.
Are the Dems saying "George Bush has TOO MUCH POWER!" ?
No, they're saying "GEORGE BUSH has too much power!"
Here's a sad clip from the Boston Globe:
In 2006, the American Bar Association condemned signing statements as
"contrary to the rule of law and our constitutional separation of powers."
Among the presidential candidates, Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, and
Barack Obama have said they would issue signing statements if elected.
John McCain said he would not.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2008/01/30/bush_asserts_authority_to_bypass_defense_act/?page=full
Yea, John "One Hundred Years War" McCain. Great choice!
Sure, lets all vote for John "100 Yrs. War" McCain and squander all our nation's resources on an unnecessary and illegal war so Haliburton, Blackwater, KBR and all the oil companies can make record windfall profits and thousands of people can get killed. Awesome! Shit, what was I thinking? My bad. Silly me.