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Render to Caesar, Extraordinarily
Some of us pause on Good Friday to mark the torture and death of a high-value detainee rendered, extraordinarily, to Roman occupiers.
Although the charges against Jesus of Nazareth were trumped up, the Romans decided to err on the safe side by going to the “dark side.” They applied enhanced torture techniques with the ultimate hanging.
I try my best to follow the example set by that fellow from Nazareth. I do get beat up on occasion for “knowing where I stand and standing there,” as Dan Berrigan has told us. But I don’t expect to be tortured — much less hung up to die. Those things just happen to folks who don’t look like me.
In my worst nightmares I never dreamed that my country of birth, the country I love, would resort to torturing prisoners. Still less, did I expect my alma mater, Fordham University, to honor a person known to have championed kidnapping and torture (as well as illegal eavesdropping on Americans), by inviting him to give the commencement address.
What’s the big deal? I have been asked. Aren’t you proud to have a fellow Fordham alumnus at the right hand of the President as deputy national security adviser? When I answer, “Not proud, but shamed,” I am met with a quizzical look.
When the shock wears off, I realize this should come as no surprise. The findings of a Pew poll conducted three years ago should have accustomed me to the shame. Those polled were white non-Hispanic Catholics, white Evangelicals, and white mainline Protestants. A majority of those who attend church regularly (54 percent) said torture could be “justified,” while a majority of those not attending church regularly responded that torture was rarely or never justified.
I let myself wonder whether similar results might obtain, if a similar poll were conducted today at Fordham. And then I remembered that most of the college students at Fordham had not yet reached their teens, when President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney decided to resort to techniques developed for the Spanish Inquisition and honed by the Nazis — “enhanced” methods to use on suspected terrorists.
Here’s some background for those just coming of age — and a refresher for others — with particular attention to what you should know about John Brennan (College, 1977).
Brennan’s Role in Torture
John Brennan had been CIA Director George Tenet’s chief of staff for two years when Tenet promoted him to be CIA’s Deputy Executive Director in March 2001. In that post he continued to function as one of Tenet’s closest aides – after the 9/11 attacks – as President Bush and Vice President Cheney ordered the CIA onto what Cheney (and later Brennan himself) came to call the “dark side.”
A Bush Executive Order of Feb. 7, 2002, made the highly dubious claim that al-Qaeda and Taliban detainees were not covered by Geneva Convention protections. And the order had consequences.
On Dec. 11, 2008, Sen. John McCain and Sen. Carl Levin released the summary of a Senate Armed Services Committee report, issued without dissent, indicating that Bush’s Feb. 7, 2002, Memorandum, had “opened the way to considering aggressive techniques.” And a report of the International Committee of the Red Cross, published in the spring of 2009, recounted in gory detail the torture of so-called “high-value” detainees.
However, back in the early days of the “war on terror,” Bush had to choose between rivals for “jurisdiction” and interrogation of such detainees. Tenet was able to use his daily sessions with Bush to win the battle over whether the CIA or the FBI should control the “dark-side” handling of “high-value” detainees. (To be absolutely clear, Tenet wanted it; he got it.)
Recently released documents provide chapter and verse about White House meetings in spring 2002 on the “high-value” detainees, including discussion of a “Guidebook to False Confessions.” The main objective was to determine which harsh interrogation techniques would be approved.
Last week, Philip Zelikow openly branded much of what was approved “torture.” This was something of a surprise, since Zelikow had been a very close confidant of Bush’s national security adviser (and later Secretary of State) Condoleezza Rice and is very protective of her.
Chairing the White House meetings on torture techniques, Rice famously sent off the malleable, affable, can-do Tenet with: “This is your baby, go do it.” And so he did.
Zelikow later worked for Rice as Counselor of the State Department, where in early 2006 he wrote a memo, the text of which has just been released, which identified several of the CIA interrogation techniques as illegal. Not surprisingly, all copies of that memo were ordered destroyed. But, alas, one was squirreled away, reportedly at State’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research. It is now available.
Brennan’s very close working relationship with then-CIA Director George Tenet on torture issues landed him in the room as Tenet’s aide when the “Principals” met in the White House on torture techniques. (It was not until 2003 that Tenet appointed Brennan to head the Terrorist Threat Integration Center, a unit also very much involved with the issue of interrogation.)
The “Principals” included Rice, Cheney, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Attorney General John Ashcroft, and Tenet.
The evidence is overwhelming that Brennan was deeply involved not only in the discussion of various “enhanced interrogation techniques,” but also in the planning of the faux-legal memoranda from Ashcroft’s Justice Department.
Those “legal opinions” made it possible for George W. Bush to tell NBC’s Matt Lauer in November 2010 that waterboarding is legal “because the lawyer said it was legal. … I’m not a lawyer, but you gotta trust the judgment of people around you and I do.”
Reports this week that the Polish government is going after Polish officials who allowed the CIA to establish a black site in Poland for “high-value” detainees brings to mind what Jane Mayer wrote in the New Yorker in 2007 about black sites:
“Among the few C.I.A. officials who knew the details of the detention and interrogation program, there was a tense debate about where to draw the line in terms of treatment. John Brennan, Tenet’s former chief of staff, said, ‘It all comes down to individual moral barometers.’ …
“Setting aside the moral, ethical, and legal issues, even supporters, such as John Brennan, acknowledge that much of the information that coercion produces is unreliable. As he put it, ‘All these methods produced useful information, but there was also a lot that was bogus.’”
Brennan In His Own Words
Perhaps the most damning evidence on Brennan’s role in torture, rendition (aka kidnapping), black prisons and such comes from his own mouth. Here are excerpts from the PBS “NewsHour” with Margaret Warner on Dec. 5, 2005:
MARGARET WARNER: This issue [rendition of terrorist suspects to third countries] and the separate one of reported secret CIA prisons in Eastern Europe is expected to come up during her [Condoleezza Rice’s] five-day European tour. … So are renditions necessary and effective in fighting terrorism?
JOHN BRENNAN: I think it’s an absolutely vital tool. I have been intimately familiar now over the past decade with the cases of rendition that the U.S. Government has been involved in. And I can say without a doubt that it has been very successful as far as producing intelligence that has saved lives.
WARNER: So is it — are you saying both in two ways — both in getting terrorists off the streets and also in the interrogation?
BRENNAN: Yes. The rendition is the practice or the process of rendering somebody from one place to another place. It is moving them and the U.S. Government will frequently facilitate that movement from one country to another. …
Quite frankly I think it’s rather arrogant to think that we are the best in every case in terms of eliciting information from terror suspects. So other countries and other services have a long experience in dealing with this challenge because they are confronting terrorism on a day-to-day basis.
Oops!
Brennan later tried to square the circle in defending his role in this “dark side” business, in an interview with PBS’s Frontline in 2006 in which he spoke directly of CIA Director Tenet’s concern to have explicit legal approval for what Zelikow and many others now concede was torture. In fact, Brennan came close to making an “act of contrition,” saying:
“Hopefully, that ‘dark side’ is not going to be something that’s going to forever tarnish the image of the United States abroad, and that we’re going to look back on this time and regret some of the things that we did, because it is not in keeping with our values.”
After Obama assumed office, Brennan was one of those most fiercely opposed to Obama’s release of the “torture memos,” lest they expose his own guilty knowledge and activist role. The Senate Intelligence Committee started looking into all this several years ago and, reportedly, is still doing so.
All this may be a large part of the reason that President-Elect Barack Obama was told that the Committee already had enough on Brennan to make any confirmation process very painful, should Obama follow through with his original plan to nominate Brennan to be CIA Director.
Audacity of Hope
Some of you may recall that I was privileged to be a passenger on the Audacity of Hope, the U.S. Boat to Gaza, last June. It was a tense time. Stuffing my backpack before flying to Athens, I got a familiar call from a puzzled friend, who said as gently as the words allow, “You know you can get killed, don’t you?”
This was not the first such expression of concern. From some others — who have zero interest in the plight of Gazans, and/or did not wish us passengers well – similar words carried an edge: “Aren’t you just asking for it?”
Before I left the U.S., I was pointedly disabused of any notion that the U.S. government would do something to protect us American citizens sailing on an American-flagged boat from the kind of violence used by the Israelis against a similar flotilla led by a Turkish boat in May 2010. As reported to me, the warning came from a source with access to senior officials at the National Security Council.
I was told that the Obama administration planned to do absolutely nothing to protect our boat from Israeli attack or illegal boarding, and that White House officials “would be happy if something happened to us.” They were, I was told, “perfectly willing to have the cold corpses of activists shown on American TV.”
Can you guess who was the ultimate source? Last week, I went back to my original source and asked if the source could tell me who uttered those words. The answer: John Brennan,
I included mention of that warning in an article I wrote before boarding the boat. The warning stretched credulity to the breaking point for a good friend, former UK Ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, who blogged:
“While I know Ray to be an extremely honest man, I thought it was possible that his source was exaggerating. I therefore set my own diplomatic sources to work in Washington, without giving them any indication of Ray’s information.
“They came back with an independent report from a different source – close to Hillary Clinton rather than the White House – with exactly the same result of which Ray was warned. … Fatalities would be ‘not a problem’ for Obama.”
That the macho, Israeli-friendly Brennan, turns out to be the White House policy official behind the official bluster surprises me not in the least, though it is nice, I suppose, to have confirmation.
As things turned out, Obama had the presence of mind to seek out and heed some adult advice. After trying unsuccessfully to extract a promise from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu not to shoot us up, Obama decided to pressure the Greeks to deny us permission to sail for Gaza — which they did, holding their noses.
Blockade Legal or Illegal?
Were we within our rights? Was/is Israel’s sea blockade of Gaza legal under international law? No. And that’s why, to its credit, the legal section of our Department of State will not prostitute itself by calling it legal.
On June 24, while we were stranded, literally, in Athens, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland danced around the question at one of the most bizarre press conferences in memory.
AP reporter Matt Lee and some of his colleagues decided to be more matter-of-fact than diplomatic with Nuland, a former national security adviser to Vice President Cheney (from 2003 to 2005) and the wife of neoconservative writer Robert Kagan.
Asked directly, three times, whether the U.S. government considers the Israeli blockade of Gaza legal, Ms. Nuland would give no answer.
“I am not a Law of the Sea expert,” she insisted (four times). Her talking points were that the U.S. Boat to Gaza should not be a “repeat of what happened last year” (four times). It was as though last year’s flotilla was responsible for the attacks by Israeli naval commandos and this year’s flotilla would be considered responsible as well.
Audacity of Hope organizer/leader Ann Wright and I asked Craig Murray for a straightforward opinion on the legality issue, since he is an expert. We knew he had worked on preparing the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and — more to the point — that he had become an internationally recognized authority on maritime jurisdiction and naval boarding issues.
When he was Head of the Maritime Section of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, he was responsible for giving real-time political and legal clearance to Royal Navy boarding operations in the Persian Gulf following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, in enforcement of the UN-authorized blockade against Iraqi weapons shipments.
On June 20, 2011, he wrote the following one-paragraph comment and then gave his considered appreciation of the legal situation:
“The boarding of a U.S. flagged ship on the High Seas is something which, in any other circumstances, the U.S. would never tolerate, and I am hoping that it will give (Secretary) Clinton a headache now. … What is for certain, is that a U.S. court would have jurisdiction over any incidents that happen on board, and I cannot imagine any U.S. judge would renounce that jurisdiction.”
Murray then added: “The legal position is plain. A vessel outwith the territorial waters (12-mile limit) of a coastal state is on the high seas under the sole jurisdiction of the flag state of the vessel. The ship has a positive right of passage on the high seas. … The vessel is entitled to free passage. …
“This right of free passage is guaranteed by the UN Convention on the Law of the Seas, to which the United States is a full party. Any incident that takes place upon a U.S. flagged ship on the High Seas is subject to United States legal jurisdiction. A ship is entitled to look to its flag state for protection from attack on the High Seas.”
Law – Quaint; Humans – Real
I don’t think Brennan was in the White House bunker with top national security officials on the evening of 9/11, when President Bush set the tone by declaring, “I don’t care what the international lawyers say.” But, clearly, Brennan caught the drift. And, saddest of all, that tone persists today — with respect to rendition, as well as on legal niceties like the Law of the Sea.
Granted, now that drones have come into their own, it is much easier to kill folks rather than to capture and “render” them — like Jesus was rendered to the Romans by the corrupt religious authorities.
Good Friday is a day for pondering such things. While I believe what happened to Jesus gives those of us of Judeo-Christian heritage an additional, highly poignant reason to do so, my atheist friends have warned me against attitudes boarding on snobbery.
One said, “You don’t have to be a Christian, Ray, to know instinctively that human beings simply must not torture other human beings.” He is right, of course.
And my friend’s caution reminded me of one of my favorite quotes from Kurt Vonnegut who, at one point named himself Honorary President of the American Humanist Association:
“How do humanists feel about Jesus? I say of Jesus, as all humanists do, ‘If what he said is good, and so much of it is absolutely beautiful, what does it matter if he was God or not?’
“But if Christ hadn’t delivered the Sermon on the Mount, with its message of mercy and pity, I wouldn’t want to be a human being.
“I’d just as soon be a rattlesnake.”
This article first appeared on Consortiumnews.com
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Show All"The legal section of our Department of State will not prostitute itself by calling the blockade legal." And that's the good news! A paucity of hope.
Given the trail of blood left by the Catholic Church and other "christian" churches, it boggles the mind that anyone concerned with peace and justice would even associate with them. Back in the day, they were nothing more than religious armies fighting for land and control just like any king--so why the surprise that today they close their eyes to war and torture? Don't think you can "change them from within"--that myth has still not worked for disgruntled progressive Democrats, much less for an empire like the Church. If you're still getting some perverse pleasure from belonging to that corrupt, misogynist, racist and predatory organization--it's understandable why you'd be shocked that Fordham hosts murderers.
Let's not forget John Yoo, counsel to the crowd before Pontius Pilate, explaining why Christ should be flogged and crucified, and Barabbas should go free.
More than just Yoo and Brennan have escaped accountability for their role in creating the torture regime. The “Principals” who must be held accountable for the war crime of torture, include (Bush) Rice, Cheney, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Attorney General John Ashcroft, and Tenet. Addington should be thrown in too.
Meanwhile in another Dimension at the End of the World Bar & Grill Jesus was hoisting a few martini's. Chief Seattle asked Jesus, Do we have to render unto Caesar here? Jesus said, No, there aren't any Caesar's of Rome Ruling here. No Senate of Rome ruling here.
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Chief Seattle asked Jesus, what do you think is happening back upon the earth?
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Jesus said, You mean outside of complete and utter insanity?
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Everyone at the End of the Bar & Grill roared with laughter.
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Meanwhile Gov Pilate of the State of Texas was looking over the Execution schedule of those on Death Row in Gov Pilate's modern day Roman Babylon.
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Dancing at the Zombie Zoo. Dancing at the Zombie Zoo. Dancing down at the Zombie Zoo.
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Life is good. What an experience! It's always best to forgive.
thanks for all the fishes. . .
and the cheeses of nazareth!
Thanks Ray
Ok, i will no doubt be bashed here, however. The stats about the religious folk approving of torture doesn't surprise me and i remember when those numbers came out. So why is religion being trotted out all of the time?
In fact, the whole Good Friday message is that Jesus was state sponsored tortured and murdered to 'Save' humanity. Or am i wrong? So why should anyone, including Ray McGovern be surprised about church going people and their acceptance of torture, etc. I mean, regarding the 'Christian' nation that is the u.s., including his fellow graduate of a Jesuit university - why wouldn't they believe that by renditioning people the multitudes are saved?
I remember when the Passion of Mel Gibson came out and all those Christians were so distressed when they viewed it. But a couple months later, maybe less, the torture the u.s. was doing got out in the media. These same good folk didn't blink and eye........I remember because i was always talking about this.
O.K...I will stop here.
But, as expected, these faithful Christians won't follow their argument to its logical conclusion.
If it's OK to render and torture and kill SUSPECTED TERRORISTS in order to redeem and save humanity, because that was what God had ordained for his only begotten Son at Golgotha, then the only possible conclusion is that those SUSPECTED TERRORISTS - like that Jewish terrorist of Nazareth - are also SONS OF GOD and that we should fall on our knees and weep for them too this Easter.
Ready, as a devout, liberal, non-biblical literalist Roman Catholic peace and social justice activist physician working in a developing country, I understand what you are saying and share your dismay that people who profess to follow the Prince of Peace can be such gleeful, unrepentant warmongers and torturers.
My own understanding of the passion and crucifixion is that Jesus persisted in bringing his radical message of peace, social justice and reconciliation, which threatened the 1% of his day, and accepted the risk of execution as preferable to silence and life. His aim was to initiate a nonviolent revolution and usher in a better world, but unfortunately his persona was hijacked and used to promote the very things he condemned. This is a trend which persists to this day, as you point out.
It doesn't get many headlines, but there are millions of Christians working for peace and social justice worldwide, along with millions more people of other faiths and non-believers. Our world has many problems and all of us, regardless of religion or its absence, need to converge on the common ground and work for a better world.
Indeed, Cassandra, i have known many in the peace and justice movement who are Jesuits and actually, of all religious stripes. I even have a close Jesuit priest, actiivist friend who told me that the whole crucifixion/resurrection scenario seems to have trumped any message of the man himself. If he han't 'died for mans' sins' he would be a nobody now. And i believe this is crucial. People may say this isn't so, however, they grew up in a church which only exists because Jesus died for their sins. They wouldn't know of him otherwise, so that stand is a bit moot. However, i do appreciate your post here.
Peace
“You know you can get killed, don’t you?” McGovern's friends warned him.
Ray McGovern does not fear death, which has set him free. I took this one message from his article. Men like Brennan win because most people fear death and won't confront the evil. Most of us fear minor injury, much less death. The time has come for humans to become vertebrates. If every person who read McGovern's article would set aside their fear, we could make a change.
And does he not fear death because Jesus was crucified and then physically resurrected? I am being respectful here. I personally don't fear death. I've had too many experiences in many areas of life and i am very clear on some things - on several levels. However, as Ghandi said, about an eye for an eye. The same is true about martyrdom. It creates a world of dead people.
Thanks, Ray for something to gnaw on...on what used to be a day of fasting
Thanks Ray, you are credit to your tradition. It is often forgotten that Francisco Suárez (5 January 1548 – 25 September 1617), a Jesuit, is considered one of the chief theorists, if not the Godfather, of International Law and would be horrified by what the practitioners of Realpolitik have wrought, i.e. Metternich, Kissinger, et. al.
U.S. America has a long history of torture, murder, and genocide. The Catholic Church much longer, and much worse!
I stand with you Ray on the hypocrisy of Jesuit Fordham University, no different from my (BC'56) Jesuit Boston College who invited Condoleezza Rice to speak at the Boston College Graduation in 1006.
The Jesuit University road has been paved with good intentions. In their early pursuit for economic justice for struggling Catholic minorities, namely the Irish, Italians, and Polish, our Jesuit Universities educated "the Catholic flock" to get a piece of American financial success. The Jesuit Universities succeeded far beyond their wildest imagination.
But what happened? The Catholic graduates, like most Christians in America, never transcended the American capitalistic culture. The love of money and the human ego was still in charge. Western capitalism buried Godless Communism only to see rise a greater empire that is even more materialistic than Communism. The American materialistic consumer culture has robbed American Christians of their spirituality, of what it means to be fully human. This is why Christian fundamentalism is is such a powerful force these days.
We have never really worshiped God in America, we prefer to worship financial success and advances in technology. Technology, war, torture, and the American Empire will never solve the worlds problems, only the human spirit. I paraphrase Albert Einstein: We cannot solve problems with the same mind set that got us into the problem in the first place. Albert Einstein was also a mystic.
And what is the best example of the human spirit? The practice of true participatory democracy which is a higher synthesis for truth and the common good. Only the truth can set us free and that is what the Occupy Movement is all about. The porcelain vase is now cracked, and the light is getting in. It's all about more Democracy!
"The American materialistic consumer culture has robbed American Christians of their spirituality"
Except it was the American Puritan tradition that embraced materialism 400 years ago. One cannot be robbed of what one willingly relinquishes.
Robert: Oh I see, it was the Puritans that robbed America of
its spirituality, and the rest is history. God, your so smart.
Do you ignore the history of corporate consumer brainwashing , the witchcraft of Madison Avenue, and how consumer capitalism feeds on the dysfunction of the human ego and the love of money? That's a lot of water under the bridge to ignore.
This article underscores what Ralph Nader and others refer to as BushObama. An inconsequential thought struck me that I would like to share.
Many of my friends think of Obama as the lessor of two evils. So imagine one of these souls, having passed away- going before God, recounting their life and detailing all the good things they did. And suddenly they blurt out..."I voted for the lessor of two evils." And God- who I shouldn't speak for- but well...why not- says...You've got to be kidding- with a smile only God can have.
I really think this would fail the God test...Next question...
Well said. I agree - if God is indeed the God I believe Him to be, I seriously doubt that He differentiates between "types" or "levels" of evil. Good is good, and evil is EVIL. Period. End of story. So yes - I agree with you. There is no "lesser" evil.
Is there a difference between a Republican president approving the murder of a U.S. citizen, and a Democrat President approving the murder of a U.S. citizen? No.
Is there a difference between a Republican president launching an illegal war of choice which results in tens of thousands of dead innocents, and a Democrat president launching an illegal war of choice which results in tens of thousands of dead innocents? No.
Is there a difference between a Republican president ripping the Constitution to shreds and breaking U.S. and International Law, and a Democrat ripping the Constitution to shreds and breaking U.S. and International Law? No.
Evil is evil. Period. End of fucking story. Pay heed, lesser-evilists. There will be a reckoning for the evil you contribute to.
" There is no 'lesser' evil."
Then why did your God differentiate between "venial" and "mortal" sins?
Why differentiate between Purgatory and Hell?
I don't think god had anything to do with differentiating between venial and mortal sins or Purgatory and Hell. The elite in the Catholic church came up with that nonsense so that they could control the poor and uneducated.
You think that this:
"Many of my friends think of Obama as the lessor of two evils."
is bad? Most of my friends and neighbors think that Obama's absolutely wonderful; they love him to death and are supporting him all the way. I've just about given up trying to tell them what I know, because it's an exercise in futility to even attempt to do so.
as he was hangin' there, did JC think "TGIF"?
You mean TGIGF (Thank God its GOOD Friday. JC leaves all the heavy stuff to the Boss.He was on Easter vacation. Good guess though...
As long as we're being irreverent, vdb, I'd guess "No more Mister Nice Guy."
was I being irreverent?
I thought he was glad to die for the world's sins.
(or so the story goes - forget all that love your enemy crap - )
No, that came later. What he was thinking is "I hope the Eagle doesn't shit today".
In the Jefferson Memorial in D.C., Jefferson is quoted that times change and the Constitution allows for different weapons for different eras. So--perhaps--with our new 21st century technology, the all-encompassing surveillance state is necessary. However, like McGovern, I thought the days of torturing were over. When I was in high school (grad 72), I thought: How could anyone ever torture anyone? That our "city on a hill" now uses torture and kidnapping is very telling. It tells me that we now have a "failed state" as Chomsky would say. It really is a shame.
"That our 'city on a hill' now uses torture and kidnapping is very telling."
Now? It was we white settlers who invented scalping, and often kidnapped Indian girls to take as "wife".
It was we Americans who brought the lash, the pillory, the stocks, the hangman's scaffold, the lynching tree, and the burning pit to this Brave New World.
homansteve, When you graduated in 72 the US was just putting the finishing touches on over a decade of torture and kidnapping of thousands of people in Southeast Asia. As to your statement that the "all encompassing surveillance state is necessary". I don't think it's necessary, but it is inevitable. Humans seem to have a talent for developing technology that is dangerous and when used produces unintentional consequences.
Meanwhile in another Dimension Jesus was sitting at the End of the World Bar & Grill. He asked George Washington's former Slaves if they wanted to go back to Murika?
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They looked at each other, shuttered and said, What for?
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Jesus asked Chief Seattle if he'd like go back to Murika?
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Chief Seattle rolled his eyes and said, What for?
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Jesus said, Why Olbermann or Al Gore might say something spiffy.
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Chief Seattle replied, Like I said, What for?
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Jesus did the Twist over to the Jukebox that was playing a Chubby Checker song. He brought up "World Party's, Ship of Fools. Complete with video. He then left and walked through the lush gardens that led to the beach where the ocean waves came into shore.
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Meanwhile in another Dimension upon the Earth the Europeans and Others modern day Roman Babylon continued to expand as Jesus lay in sand, and dozed off to sleep.
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The Song of Life sang through the Kingdom while the Song of Death sang through Earth.
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Life is good. What an experience! It's always best to forgive.
I believe it was Dorothy Day, the founder of the Catholic Worker movement, who said, "If we rendered unto God what is God's, there'd be precious little left for Caesar".
It should not be the least surprising that the majority of practicing Christians would support something as morally regressive as torture. Identification with a group based on blind faith and obedience to authority is a decidedly conservative inclination.
A 2010 study at University College London in the UK has found that conservatives’ brains have larger amygdalas than the brains of liberals. Amygdalas are responsible for fear and other “primitive” emotions. At the same time, conservatives’ brains were also found to have a smaller anterior cingulate – the part of the brain responsible for courage and optimism.
I've long remembered a study performed at Stanford University in the early 70s to measure the subjective fear of dying among four groups of graduate students: divinity students, psychology students, regular meditators, and regular drug-users. The first group was most fearful of death, and each other was respectively less so. Adherence or resort to religious faith or scientific rationality is an anodyne to existential fear. Meditation and drug use is a release or transcendence of fear.
As a former instructor of prisoner of war interrogation techniques in US Army Intelligence, I can readily and honestly confirm that the use of force or torture was never taught and was not condoned by the US Army. Experienced interrogators will also confirm that prisoners will eventually willingly talk and reveal true information if treated with sympathy and a degree of friendliness. More flies are caught with honey than with vinegar. We tarnished our own armor and it will take ages to live it down. No wonder some others characterize us as "Bullies." Yes, we are fighting vicious enemies, but that does not justify us stooping down to their level. It is not about them as the enemy, but about us, as a people and a Nation.
tell it to the Redman, the Fillipino, the blacks...
the gooks
the chinks
the wops
the wetbacks
the ragheads
tell them it's about you as a notion.
It was the British Empire which brought slavery, land grabbing from the indigenous people to this hemisphere-- "Franch and Indian War," and lynching to this country. The word lynch comes from the British colonial judge by the same name who handed out death sentences without due process. The British Empire had and still has a lot of blood on its hands-- think Ireland and all the rest of the colonies. The US empire was and is also a swine. Empires are always about dominating others who don't want to be dominated.
a sign hangs on the door of the KKK head office.
it reads: Out to Lynch.
Posted by Bonatti
Apr 7 2012 - 12:38am.
About all I can do in response to that is to roll my eyes...
Mucha Gracias, Ray.
The banality of evil continues with Browns, Reds, Blacks, Jews and people of the 'Way' on the lynching tree, by the present and passed empires...And we provide the masses with Viagra and Circuses. Yes, definitely "forgive them for they not know, what they do." Since, John Yoo said, it's illegal! But stand up for justice when the time comes..The time is now.
and what if "rendering unto Caesar" was a call to eradicate money altogether?
To respond to the idea that Jesus wanted to die for our sins - No. Think of his excruciatingly hard time praying the night before his crucifiction (sp), basically "I REALLY don't want to do this, God, but if it's Your will..."
The crucifiction for our sins shouldn't make his teachings moot, though many churches don't ever talk about (or do) what Jesus taught about how to live. Which I think would bug the crap out of Him.