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Pvt. Manning and Imperative of Truth
When I was asked to speak at Saturday’s rally at Fort Meade in support of Pvt. Bradley Manning, I wondered how I might provide some context around what Manning is alleged to have done.
(In my talk, so as not to think I had to insert the word “alleged” into every sentence, I asked for unanimous consent to using the indicative rather than the subjunctive mood.)
What jumped into my mind was the letter Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. wrote from the Birmingham City jail in April 1963, from which I remembered this:
“Like a boil that can never be cured as long as it is covered up, but must be opened with all its pus-flowing ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must likewise be exposed, with all of the tension its exposing creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.”
I suggested that this is precisely what Bradley Manning did when he saw the need to uncover war crimes like the indiscriminate murder of civilians and torture he witnessed in Baghdad and read about in cables.
What he had become witness to was the inevitable result of aggressive war, which the post-World War II Nuremberg Tribunal called the “supreme international crime,” differing from other war crimes only inasmuch as it contains within itself the “accumulated evil of the whole.” Was he to obey orders to keep his mouth shut? Or was he to follow his conscience and lance this ugly boil of accumulated evil?
What I especially admire in Bradley Manning is this: his ability, at the age of 22, to discern that there can be a hierarchy of — sometimes conflicting — values, and that from a moral standpoint some values dwarf others in importance.
Apparently, Manning saw in ending the mindless slaughter of aggressive war, with its accumulated evil — its torture and other pus-flowing ugliness — what ethicists define as a “supervening value,” one that outweighs lesser values like keeping a secrecy promise required as a condition of employment.
Manning chose to break that promise. And Dr. King, in his Letter from the Birmingham Jail, addressed something analogous. King insisted “an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust,” and risks jail in order “to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the very highest respect for law.”
When Generals Lie
Bradley Manning’s courage hits a personal nerve in me. At age 28, I had an opportunity to blow the whistle on the lies of the senior U.S. military in Saigon. The evidence was documentary (a SECRET/EYES ONLY cable from Saigon); indeed, it was hard for me to believe the generals would put their deceit so explicitly in writing, but they did.
Younger readers need to be reminded that, at the time (August 1967) there was no WikiLeaks, but The New York Times was an independent newspaper prone to publishing documentary evidence critical of the government. The Times had not yet gotten into the habit of seeking prior approval from the White House.
Six years older than Bradley Manning was when he summoned the courage to do the right thing — and with college courses in ethics in my moral quiver — I nonetheless, well, quivered.
I blew a unique opportunity to let Americans know that — duty, honor, country be damned — unconscionable corruption at senior levels in Saigon and in Washington had badly misled us on the war and that our GIs and the Vietnamese were being chewed up in a March of Folly.
And that opportunity came months before so many got chewed up in the January-February 1968 Communist countrywide offensive, ushering in the second half of the bloody war in Vietnam. I discussed this last year, in connection with the WikiLeaks disclosures. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “How the Truth Can Save Lives.”]
As for Bradley Manning, he would not sequester himself in a moral vacuum. He had the insight and summoned the moral courage to follow his conscience and act with integrity.
Manning’s Motive
In his correspondence with Adrian Lamo, the man who betrayed him, Manning said he wanted people “to see the truth, because without information you cannot make informed decisions as a public.” He wrote that he hoped his disclosures would lead to “world-wide discussion, debate, and reform.”
Manning’s first disclosure that came to light was the Apache helicopter gun-barrel video, with sound, showing the indiscriminate murder of a dozen Iraqi civilians, including two Reuters journalists and the wounding of two little children. The incident was duly “investigated” by the Army, and the shooting was deemed to be consistent with what is permitted by the Army’s Rules of Engagement.
Whoa! Official Washington cannot tolerate such disclosures if it remains intent on waging aggressive war, with its accumulated evil, in secret. So the Obama administration set out to make Bradley Manning an object lesson about what will happen to anyone tempted to divulge these sorts of secrets.
For such truth-telling, this is what you can expect: solitary confinement, cruel, inhuman, and degrading punishment; and a very long wait before being brought to the military pre-trial charade that I watched with others at Fort Meade, Maryland, last weekend.
President Barack Obama, commander-in-chief of Bradley Manning, and those trying him have already said Manning “broke the law” – and be damned with the countervailing moral imperative of truth-telling when faced with clear evidence of unpunished war crimes.
Command influence, anyone? What’s wrong with this picture? Quick. Someone explain to me how those subordinate to the commander-in-chief can be expected to hold an impartial inquiry, since they already know Manning “broke the law.” The top boss said so.
What About the Damage?
Still, whatever the measure of Manning’s technical “guilt,” the government’s hand-wringing over the alleged damage from the disclosures of diplomatic cables has been “significantly overwrought.” How do we know? Defense Secretary Robert Gates said so, in those words. And this time he was telling the truth.
Gates mocked the professional alarums sounded by officialdom and dismissed the negative impact of the disclosed cables as “fairly modest.” He had learned a lesson from the earlier WikiLeaks disclosures of documents about Afghanistan and Iraq, when normally sober folks like Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mike Mullen were accusing Manning of having “blood on his hands.”
When Sen. Carl Levin, Chair of the Armed Services Committee, asked Gates to provide proof in writing of such claims, Gates could adduce no evidence that actual people — as opposed to reputations — had been harmed.
It’s also instructive to see how selective prosecutions work in Official Washington. Manning may face life imprisonment for exposing the slaughter of civilians and other serious crimes (as well as revealing the absurd over-classification of U.S. government documents).
However, when President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney confess that they ordered waterboarding and other acts that have long been regarded as illegal torture, they and their subordinates are spared prosecution, presumably because to do otherwise would stir up a political mess.
Suddenly, clear violations of the law must be set aside as being outweighed by larger national considerations, i.e. political comity in Washington. But no such balancing act is available to spare Pvt. Manning possible life imprisonment for truth-telling, even when many experts believe much good has come from the disclosures, including inspiration for the Arab Spring’s ouster of dictators whose brutality and corruption were frankly described in the WikiLeaks cables.
Daniel Ellsberg has called Bradley Manning a hero, and that’s what he is. We need to find ways to tell the American people the full story. These days, they are not going to get the whole truth (or anything close to it) from The New York Times.
This article first appeared on ConsortiumNews.com


38 Comments so far
Show AllThank you, Ray McGovern. The planet needs the testimony of enlightened former warriors to break through the culture of militarism that anesthetizes itself to its own raw acts of barbarism.
Here's the most ironic line in Mr. McGovern's piece:
"when normally sober folks like Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mike Mullen were accusing Manning of having “blood on his hands.”
For a Joint Chief, i.e. an architect of Wars of Aggression (The Supreme Crime against humanity, as per The Geneva Conventions) to accuse Manning of having
blood on his hands is rich.
It's also about as logical as having bankers, the ones who broke the U.S. economy (along with the economies of Europe) positioned to determine the credit-worthiness of honest, hard-working citizens.
Who Guards The Guards... or more to the point, in what sectors does a society locate its authority figures?
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Yeah, it brings to mind the banksters lecturing us about the "moral hazard" of helping underwater mortgage holders to stay afloat.
Great piece Ray!
Compair this piece to M. Moore's latest propoganda by ignoring Obama's culpability in the entire Manning affair.
The Bush-Obama War on Iraq, based on lies and "fixed" intelligence, funded continually by BOTH Corporatist-Militarist Parties in Congress, and hardly ever questioned by what Ray McGovern aptly calls "the Fawning Corporate Media", is one of the first massive war crimes of this new century (the War on Afghanistan is another). As McGovern reminds us, it is the “supreme international crime,” differing from other war crimes only inasmuch as it contains within itself the “accumulated evil of the whole.”
Accordingly, Bradley Manning was doing his duty as well as obeying his conscience by exposing some of the crimes within this "supreme international crime." Also accordingly, all those who continued to support, fund, propagandize for (the media), and prosecute this war after the lies which duped them into it were exposed, are also guilty of war crimes and complicit in these crimes to varying degrees. No wonder they, starting with Obama and the military, want to shut up Bradley Manning for life. And I have no doubt they will succeed, with the Fawning Corporate Media parroting the official lies and cover-ups.
If there were true justice here, ALL of Congress, the White House, ALL the members of the Bush administration, and most of the corporate media hacks would be in prison for life for complicity in these war crimes, and we would be honoring Bradley Manning and war critics for doing their duty to uphold the law.
Wikipedia has a good quality article about Lester B. Pearson, also called Mike. He is one of few Nobel Peace Prize winners who really deserved the award. At Camp David, President Lyndon Johnson grabbed the smaller Mike by coat lapels, lifted him upon toes, and shouted directly into his astonished face. A Canadian cameraman immediately dropped his camera and ran to the defense of his national leader. Agents of the Secret Service tackled him to the ground before he could reach LBJ.
Toronto's international airport is named for Mike. I made some effort in Canada to have a specific quotation of Lester Pearson's emblazoned in bronze at this airport, for persons from all over the world to read.
Pearson had retired from the United Nations, but he was asked to come back for some celebratory event, during which he addressed a crowd of young people. Among his short speech were these words: "Loyalty to humankind supersedes loyalty to country". When he spoke these words I was a draft dodger living in Ontario.
These words affect my take upon Bradley Manning. I think the service he has rendered is not just to America. Like Wikileaks itself, the service is to our species.
Sadly, I feel Pearson's quote will end up as an epitaph carved upon the grave marker for the Homo sapien species.
Trylon
Trylon,
I have quoted Prime Minister Pearson many times on this site in the past. He liked to quote one of his favorite university professor's definition of politics: "Politics is the skillful use of blunt tools."
Leave it to Mike to hold on to a definition anyone could understand. I got a lot of mileage out of that one
Thomas Gilbert-
"When you're special to a cat, you're special indeed, she brings to you the gift of her preference of you, the sight of you, the sound of your voice, the touch of your hand."
Lester B. Pearson - - - winner, Nobel Peace Prize
Trylon,
Another classical quote from Mike. Love it...
Thomas Gilbert-
Was it not Tiberius, who after defending Rome for 20 years with his Roman troops in Cispaline Gaul, came back to Rome, left the troops out side the gates, and came before the Senate to ask a very good and noble thought. A Humanistic question.
He came before the Senate and said : "The birds have their nests and foxes have their dens but the Roman soldier has not a place to rest his weary head". He asked the Senate to give each of the soldiers just 5 acres of land to help them in their age so they could at least have a home to live and die in. After all, many had died to protect the homeland and gave their lives accordingly so that all Romans and the senators families could live in peace.
The Senate convened and then came upon him with knives and clubs and killed him and hundreds of his followers. They didn't want to loose any of their land. They used the excuse that he was "trying to be King". And today?
I'm shocked. That has to be one of the wisest, most perceptive statements by a politician in modern times. Maybe in all history.
Proud that PM Pearson was a Canuckian.
I was in Nova Scotia then, same reason.
What follows is a thread from another post . I am posting it here because I am hoping for a reasonable resolution to a disagreement with Siouxrose and downtownwalker
It starts with this, my response to a post by durrutrix
Well written and well argued on all points, though I hope you are wrong about 9/11. I am more hopeful that we can avoid the political scenario you outline than you are. But it is an all too real possibility, perhaps even a probability. Fortunately there are many factors that can prevent such developments. Too many sentient beings, as you say.
Posted by downtownwalker
Dec 16 2011 - 2:50am
"I hope you are wrong about 9/11" ??? I'm sorry, but it sounds like a child hoping Santa is real. 9/11 was a CIA/Mossad operation, brilliantly executed. Please, hope is for dopes--you voted for Obama didn't you? Set aside, just for a moment, what you WANT to be true, and look at the facts.
Posted by jonabark
Dec 16 2011 - 10:36am
Well I have done some homework on this and I'm not a child or a dupe. Insulting people is not exactly a reasoned argument or friendly adult behavior.On the facts of the 9-11 incident. I understand the engineering arguments, but am not an engineer, I have heard most of the disturbing accounts of the sounds of explosives, the story of the Israelis celebrating, people with troubling eyewitness accounts dying under odd circumstances etc. I completely agree that there is plenty of evidence to demand of a free people a far more thorough investigation with absolute subpoena powers to follow all leads, in-depth debate on the engineering issues etc. We should know the truth, and I want to know the truth no matter what that is.
But I can't say that the theories of CIA/Mossad operation are proven truth either. This would have been a big and very risky operation involving suicide and fakery on an amazing scale. Finding enough people who could commit such a crime against civilians without a single leak or whistleblower seems like a reason to be very skeptical of a conspiracy. Getting caught would lead to massive uprising.
Sadly it looks like we will never know the truth, short of the ultimate leak.
When I look at most CIA and military operations in history there is nothing of this scale and there are usually a lot of messy loose ends and outright mistakes. So my hope that you(actually durrutrix, my mistake) are wrong is not delusional hope but more a hope that this level of betrayal and operational sophistication is beyond the scope of even CIA and Mossad. I simply don't know, and don't believe that you truly know for certain either. Insults do not strengthen your arguments.
Posted by Siouxrose
Dec 16 2011 - 1:34pm
Jona: You come off here as the mild mannered amateur that you are. This is just the lukewarm version of casting aspersions at those willing to look deeper into the abyss than you care to do. I have a feeling your paycheck demands the more modest, conservative approach.
Posted by jonabark
Dec 20 2011 - 1:30pm
Well you come off as someone who thinks they are an important and" professional" commenter guarding the gates of truth. But you aren't being payed for your writing now are you? You are in fact making comments on a political blog like thousands of others.You don't know how deeply I have looked into our political realities; that is pure presumption. It is true that I think decent manners are helpful rather than a problem in clear communication. I never cast aspersions on anyone. I was insulted based on presumptions that were simply wrong and unjustified. I said the insults were unnecessary and explained that I understand the questions raised by truthers, that I want those questions answered and that I want the truth, but cannot agree to any account of events without a thorough investigation. I would like a trial/investigation about 9/11, but don't agree with declaring guilt before due process. That is what Ralph's article (NDAA) and this bill is all about isn't it. I certainly wouldn't want to be put on trial by someone like yourself who does not read carefully, who labels people instead of presenting an argument, and who has a weirdly inflated sense of their own importance in what is essentially an open forum for the exchange of views. You also know nothing about how I make a living or how that affects my political ideas other than your "feelings". The feelings you have are not an accurate guide to others motives or actions and anyone who knows me would laugh at what you suggest. You simply could not be more wrong.
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Maybe one of the forum's ubiquitous I.T specialists can educate you in the ways and means to pull up the CD archives. This topic has been battered around so much that I tire of repeating myself, nor do I have the patience to repost what others have taken the time to lay out in DETAIL. Time is precious, and I post on those topics that interest me. Fighting old battles, or defending Truth against those who prefer its obfuscation, is not my idea of using my valuable time wisely.
Happy holidays. Enjoy your archaeological challenge... the truth is out there. Just dig!
Siouxrose is by her own admission not Sioux. She is, however, self-proclaimed as having extraordinary intuition. Most everyone who disagrees with her is on the dole of some government agency. Don't fight it: it's way fun. I'm still waiting for my check.
Right, Elizabeth, do what you can to discredit me. That's sisterhood, and a real tribute to Progressive values. You mention that you're working on a Ph.D. Fine. That's an effort that deserves commendation. Why would I take that away from you? In my own case, I've delved into the Esoteric, been widely published, and maintain a loyal clientele, I think that speaks for the development of my intuition. My bonafides have been EARNED. I have no interest or need to compete with you. On the contrary, you seek to take me down a peg every chance you get. I suppose if you could, you'd opt to mud wrestle. Perhaps I should post some letters of recommendation; but then it's not truth that you're interested in.
A person who is healthy, which is to say owns basic self-esteem, has no problem acknowledging someone else's strengths or gifts. I make it a habit to compliment those I believe contribute to the forum. On the other hand, I have evidence that there are impostors who regularly post here. And since they've ganged up on me repeatedly, and posted quite offensive lies, I watch for those who work in cahoots with these known offenders. It happens to BE a lie (and one that you have repeated quite often in these threads) to suggest that I feel everyone who disagrees with me is on the dole. I have honest debates with honest posters. I will oppose the arguments I take to be dishonest, along with those who take aim at important voices on the Left. Such a posture is suspect in a forum that leans Left. Anyone who's been reading this forum for the past 2 years on a regular basis, would have to notice that there is a PATTERN to these attacks. And it's interesting that once Jill and Katrine disappeared, it was YOU who picked up the mantle... in continuing these attacks. Maybe your meanspirited attacks on another woman, the opposite expression of sisterhood, explain why you need anti-depresants. If you think that's below the belt, then stop attacking me. When I think you're right about something, I state as much. When you align with those who have orchestrated attacks (spanning 3 years now), naturally I will question your motives. As I will when you toss in an aside meant to damage feminists, or decimate public education.
Where was the apology, incidentally, for the lie that I was responsible for several people getting banned? It probably made you need an extra dose of meds when the Site Moderator showed up to explain WHY those people were banned. Interesting, too, how that Moderator mentioned something I've often stated... that one reason people get banned is their liberal use of multiple screen names. It's a great way to beef up the numbers and make ridiculous claims appear substantiated by "others." That's a whole new take on manufacturing consent. And so easy to those privy to I. T. technology.
How low will you go? Just love your Christmas spirit. But don't worry, I don't need anti-depressants; although it looks like you're haunted by your own demons, if that admission is even true. The Watchers enjoy breaking minds, after all; and some might want to know in advance if others in this forum suffer from Depression. That's the type of thing dossiers like to include. Here's the part where your tag team pals show up to suggest paranoia, as if I invented ALL THE EVIDENCE from the book, "Dangerous Dossiers," about the way artists, poets, and playwrights were watched for decades. Their 100 plus page files classified under "National Security." And that was way before 911, Homeland security getting the keys to the castle, FISA, Cass Sunstein, and the new powers the authoritarians arrogate to themselves by the day. But it's much more important that you keep driving nails into my credibility.
I've never heard you mention having a child. Thank Goddess. With your dearth of empathy, you did at least one soul a favor.
Even with the Christmas spirit you can't cease and desist from the attacks, and will now reinvent yourself, not as the provocateur, but as the victim. And since you use the name Elizabeth, your family line must descend from the Elizabethan age, or was it theater?
I liked the article. Why though are progressives fighting this way in this forum. As the great Mick Jagger would say "What are we fighting about?" We dont' need to do the neo cons' work for them. They do it mighty fine all by themselves. If we form a circular firing squad, how much does that do for our cause?
Now this question comes to the fore as the article referred to the Nuremberg trials in post Second World War period. But wasn't it the book about the last Nazis and their Werewolf movement which an article in a local library's advanced academic search data base showing that the fighting ended at the earliest only just before 1947 enough to show that the Second World War actually ended in Europe way after the official Nazi surrrender of May 1945? With such not be so surprising as the Nazi's word was never worth the toilet paper it should have been written on.
I liked the article. Why though are progressives fighting this way in this forum. As the great Mick Jagger would say "What are we fighting about?" We dont' need to do the neo cons' work for them. They do it mighty fine all by themselves. If we form a circular firing squad, how much does that do for our cause?
Now this question comes to the fore as the article referred to the Nuremberg trials in post Second World War period. But wasn't it the book about the last Nazis and their Werewolf movement which an article in a local library's advanced academic search data base showing that the fighting ended at the earliest only just before 1947 enough to show that the Second World War actually ended in Europe way after the official Nazi surrrender of May 1945? With such not be so surprising as the Nazi's word was never worth the toilet paper it should have been written on.
Some people just like to fight for the heck of it. Never trust a phony who says "peace" one minute but is a warmonger the next.
For the record, in case anyone but you cares, I do not take psychotropics—in fact, all my posts regarding psych meds have been aimed at warning people against them and trying to educate people as to what they actually do to people. It’s a very ugly situation that few want to bother looking into. If anyone’s interested, there are a few people writing about this in the margins today. Most prominent would be Robert Whitaker and Bruce E. Levine. Posts such as the one I’m responding to, where you suggest I take meds and my need to “up” them, are entirely uncalled for and shamefully nasty. In other words, Siouxrose, you're an (explitive deleted). Sorry, but it's just the most efficient way to say it (hey, but I didn't say it).
When it was announced that the military was giving Bradley Manning antidepressants, I was quite concerned because many of the new antidepressants contain antipsychotics (neuroleptics), which were, for example, used by the Soviets to torture dissidents. When Jared Lee Loughner was identified as a “lone gunman” in Arizona, many posted about how we need to pump more money into mental health, and I felt it necessary to educate people to the reality that psychotropics cause people to commit violence at least as often as they prevent violence, and that despite this reality most mental health professionals think that the answer to every mental ill patient is a psychotropic or two or five, despite the “black box” warnings that were so hardly fought for. I do realize that trying to talk to people about psychotropics, let alone my experience as a bipolar patient, is a chancy business, opening me up to the sort of cheap shots you’ve used against me. So forgive me if I don’t jump at the chance of joining your “sisterhood.”
When I look at the photos of Bradley Manning, I see a young man who has been destroyed. There he is in his army fatigues—which I assume he assumes as a hairsuit—looking skinny and undernourished, and my heart stops beating until I look away. I mean that literally—my response is truly mortal.
Thanks Elizabeth. Very good post. I wanted to add some of my own painfully won knowledge about these drugs.
Antipsychotics are bad bad news, in my experience. Perhaps they do benefit some people, but they are not medicine, nor do they cure anything, but are poisons, and like many poisons, may have and often do have a salutary effect- think of alcohol, or the narcotics, which give pleasure but ultimately can ruin lives or cause death, and do so by the millions every year.
Antipsychotics were suggested to me by a medical professional a year or so ago. This isn't because I am psychotic. Anyone, no matter how sane and well, is at risk of being prescribed antipsychotics these days. I am not joking, although that sounds like a joke.
No, the drug was suggested mostly because the "atypical antipsychotic" so-called medicines are a fad; they are all the rage these days, like Valium was in the 1970's, Prozac in the early 80's, like Xanax in the 90's, like Klonopin ten years or five years ago ago. Another reason for the widespread push to get people on this class of drugs is that they are very profitable, since theyare patented and extremely expensvie.
The whole setup of the pharma+ psychiatrist industry is so riddled with what amounts to criminality, in my opinion. Psychiatrists are not therapists but primarily gatekeepers to the drugs, authorized by the government as dealers, in cooperation with pharmacies. Sure, it's all well-meaning, but so are many bad ideas.
Legal prescription drugs do far more damage to individuals, and therfore to society, than all the illegal drugs combined.
I have read various antipsychotics- Seroquel and others- are now being prescribed to children and even toddlers. This is a particularly monstrous form of child abuse, sanctioned by the establishment. I am not claiming that the intention is child abuse, but that it's a case of the road of good intentions leading to hell, not a malicious plot to poison children.
However, that makes little practical difference. The result of taking a drug is not dependent upon the attitude of the person who provides it.
So I tried them- for two days only and the reaction was so severe I immediately stopped, and immediately got better again. The effect of the antipsychotic on me was to basically cause me to become psychotic while under its effects. The drug caused a devastating depression, I mean a bad one, physical and mental, total, within an hour or two. It was horrible.
I could see very clearly that this type of drug is very risky in terms of the potential for creating suicidal ideation or even the act itself. But if someone taking an antipsychotic, or for that matter an antidepressant, gets severely troubled, depressed, suicidal, or commits suicide, I have no doubt whatsoever that people would say "it was because he went off his medication" or "his disease got worse, and even the drugs couldn't help him"- the blame put on the person, not the chemical poison masquerading as medicine.
So if Bradley Manning has been given either type of drug, or benzodiazepines, or even Ambien, the effect could be to make him either very depressed or suicidal, and in the case of the benzodiazepines, make him feel totally crazy and afraid, if the dosages were managed to create that result. These "psychiatric medicines" are poor medicines but would be very useful in situation of torture or detention, or when police or the government want to break someone's mind and spirit.
Your experience is all too common. These neuroleptic drugs cause permanent brain damage, and yes, they are being fed to toddlers to prevent tantrums (sorry, children’s tantrums are now considered psychotic episodes). It used to be understood that anti-psychotics are hugely damaging poisons, and thus were only used on people considered hopeless—schizophrenics.
(This is not my thinking, but I will expand upon my thoughts regarding this another time.)
You got out early and fast. Good—God bless you. The atypical antipsychotics/neuroleptics are the most dangerous drugs out there, and they’re being passed out like candy. Are these people truly out of their minds (I mean those prescribing)?
Shout out to Sue,
I'm glad my dad didn't name me Sue at my first breath. I would have grown up hating Jonny Cash. \ Everyone has a contribution. We need everyone's experience. Do what you can do. That is all.
Is Siouxrose acerbic? Yes.
Does she have reason to? Yes
Does she use ad hominim from the hip, kinda like Anny Oakly? Yes.
Can She shoot? Bet your bottom dollar.
Does it hurt?
Does she know what she shouts? Yes?
I'm a fan...
f..n get over your sh't.; & listen to what she says. \ Think!
As a rhetorician once said, "Do not agree or disagree, distinguish, distinguish, distinguish.
If you are not up for that, don't mess with Siouxrose.
Happy Holidays at the OK Corral.
s
You watch. Next, Algonquinpansy is going to come out of the hogan and disappoint us.
Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan are larger CIA/Military operations based on fraud.
The Iraq operation has been thoroughly exposed to all the world, where is the rebellion? For me just the fact that there were simultaneous USA air exercises mimicking 9/11 is enough circumstancial evidence to convict the Bush administration. Has anyone else had trouble re accessing Amy Irving's Manning article in which I note the photojournalist was most likely a targeted execution because his mission in general and specifically was on this location meeting with civilians to document a USA atrocity that had previously occurred on that site.
jonabark,
Thank you for the post, and being the mediator. Don't know how you got there, but the trip was worth from this end.
cheers,
s
If a novelist wrote a story about a nation whose nefarious leaders used a so-called terrorist attack on one of its major sky-scrapers as a pretext to start endless wars for profit around the globe, escalate a major looting of the nation's treasury and to extinguish human and civil liberties in the most Orwellian fashion, a publisher surely would send the author a bland rejection slip noting the implausibility of such a tale.
It is frightening and breathtaking that the horrors of the past ten years are all non-fiction and are continuously unfolding at nightmarish speed.
Good post, and all too true.
OT: Elizabeth, before you're glitched to extinction, please consider my 12:36pm comment @ http://tinyurl.com/7qq642y.
I tried your url and got nada. Whatwhatwhatwhatwhat?
Huh-- the URL works for me. So much for being too coy by half...
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/12/13-6
Got that one. Twice.
"...what ethicists define as a “supervening value,” one that outweighs lesser values like keeping a secrecy promise required as a condition of employment.
Manning chose to break that promise."
Seems to me Obama and all politicians do it on a regular basis... break promises, that is. But Manning's values are good values, good for the US, good for the world. Only the elite trash hate him.
If Pope Benedict were not such a bigot about homosexuality, he would propose to beatify Mr. Manning upon his death. I prophesy that, in ages to come, Mr. Manning like Franz Jägerstätter, will be declared a saint for his moral heroism.
With the bought news reporters, the military censorship of every war story, the embedding of journalists, the cautious protection of Americans' tender ears from hearing too much truth, what Mr. Manning and Julian Assange have done is appeal to the brassed-over hearts of the multitude to exchange theirs for hearts of flesh.
Those small-minded Cheney-like people with ice in their veins and "vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues" are the ones who "tell with such high zest" the old lie: Dulce et decorum set Pro patria mori. And it is they who will pour coals upon their heads for bringing ordinary citizens to attempt to bear the guilt of murder, torture, and the other horrors they commit in obedience to the Masters of Deceit. Every suicide by a returning soldier adds to their guilt.
Bradley Manmning did what the Nuremburg War Crimes trials hanged Germans for not doing.The sentencing judge was, I believe, an American.
(shared this elsewhere and would like to share it here too)...
according to david coombs... bradley manning’s defense attorney...
the defense witness list had originally included 48 people...
but the government objected to all but 10 of them...
and those 10 are the 10 that the government wanted testimony from also...
the government’s claim that it’s too costly and troublesome to bring in 38 of the witnesses defies common sense and logic...
the defense has filed a memorandum with the military on ‘witness justification’...
(the government granted the defense those 10 and 2 of the remaining 38 witnesses... the government had 20 witnesses testify)...
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according to chat logs...
bradley manning was told to help in the arrest of people who had written about the corruption in government in middle east and iraq...
previous similar scenarios had led to war crimes of torture after those arrested were turned over to their country’s military...
bradley manning voiced his concern to his superiors and was told to be quiet and do his job...
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according to the collateral damage video allegedly released by bradley manning...
it shows war crimes of innocent civilians massacred...
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(bradley manning was not complicit towards the instigation or coverup of war crimes)... the truth was exposed...
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from the Army Field Manual THE LAW OF LAND WARFARE (INCL C-1):
Section I. REMEDIES AND REPRISALS
495. Remedies of Injured Belligerent
In the event of violation of the law of war, the injured party may legally resort to remedial action of the following types:
a. Publication of the facts, with a view to influencing public opinion against the offending belligerent.
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Section II. CRIMES UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW
499. War Crimes
The term "war crime" is the technical expression for a violation of the law of war by any person or persons, military or civilian. Every violation of the law of war is a war crime.
500. Conspiracy, Incitement, Attempts, and Complicity
Conspiracy, direct incitement, and attempts to commit, as well as complicity in the commission of, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and war crimes are punishable.
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http://bradleymanning.org
Manning's intentions were not to "Remedy Violations of International Law & War Crimes". Of the 700,000 pieces of information he released he had little knowledge of the extent of the contents. If he actions had any merit, he might have followed the guidance of part B, below. Also, he didn't even bother to look into the legality or illegality of what he was doing. An intelligent person with genuine knowledge of crimes and a will to expose them would have educated himself on the subject.
CHAPTER 8 REMEDIES FOR VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW;
WAR CRIMES
Section I. REMEDIES AND REPRISALS
b. Protest and demand for compensation and/or punishment of the individual offenders. Such communications may be sent through the protecting power, a humanitarian organization performing the duties of a protecting power, or a
neutral state, or by parlementaire direct to the commander of the offending forces.
You're joking, right?
Fifty years ago, when I worked in Germany, I suggested (naïvely!) to a German acquaintance who'd been an adult during the war that the people should have complained about the Nazi atrocities. He smiled a small smile and said "to whom?".
hiya mars...
nowhere does my original comment state that manning’s intentions were or were not to “remedy violations of international law and war crimes’...
(his intentions aren't even mentioned in my comment)...
and other than what the chat logs and his own statements mention... (which contradicts your comment)... you can't truthfully state what his intentions are or aren't...
and when some officials from a country that abides by international law... commit war crimes... not only is it injurious to the other party... it also hurts the overall well-being part of their own country which abides by those laws...
and yes... am aware of part b... as am aware of chapter 8... (27-10)...
did not post the entire chapter... and the following still stands regardless...
from the Army Field Manual THE LAW OF LAND WARFARE (INCL C-1):
Section I. REMEDIES AND REPRISALS
495. Remedies of Injured Belligerent
In the event of violation of the law of war, the injured party may legally resort to remedial action of the following types:
a. Publication of the facts, with a view to influencing public opinion against the offending belligerent.
and further in the army field manual... chapter 8... (27-10)... one cannot use the following defenses to excuse their own participation in war crimes...
Section IV. DEFENSES NOT AVAILABLE
509. Defense of Superior Orders
a. The fact that the law of war has been violated pursuant to an order of a superior authority, whether military or civil, does not deprive the act in question of its character of a war crime, nor does it constitute a defense in the trial of an accused individual, unless he did not know and could not reasonably have been expected to know that the act ordered was unlawful. In all cases where the order is held not to constitute a defense to an allegation of war crime, the fact that the individual was acting pursuant to orders may be considered in mitigation of punishment.
b. In considering the question whether a superior order constitutes a valid defense, the court shall take into consideration the fact that obedience to lawful military orders is the duty of every member of the armed forces; that the latter cannot be expected, in conditions of war discipline, to weigh scrupulously the legal merits of the orders received; that certain rules of warfare may be controversial; or that an act otherwise amounting to a war crime may be done in obedience to orders conceived as a measure of reprisal. At the same time it must be borne in mind that members of the armed forces are bound to obey only lawful orders (e. g., UCMJ, Art. 92).
(note the word “lawful”... as violations of international law are not lawful)...
and back to earlier comment and... Section II. CRIMES UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW
499. War Crimes ... (and conspiracy and incitement and attempts and complicity etc)...