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Published on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 by CommonDreams.org
Obama’s Bad Case Against Single Payer
Solidarity vs Individualism
The
Obama administration has broadened the scope of what it wants to
dismiss as unrealistic, utopian and unpragmatic, i.e. as for all
practical purposes impossible. These claims have typically been
accompanied by the assurance that “This is not something that Americans
would go for – it’s not the American way.” Obama’s case against a
single payer health care system is a conspicuous case in point. His
position on this issue features weak arguments and serious factual
errors.
The Alleged Impossibility of Universal Health Care
In May and August, 2007 Obama stated his position on single payer:
"If you're starting from scratch, then a single-payer system'-a government-managed system like Canada's, which disconnects health insurance from employment-'would probably make sense. But we've got all these legacy systems in place, and managing the transition, as well as adjusting the culture to a different system, would be difficult to pull off. So we may need a system that's not so disruptive that people feel like suddenly what they've known for most of their lives is thrown by the wayside." (May, 2007)
" [W]hen we had a healthcare forum before I set up my healthcare plan here in Iowa there was a lot of resistance to a single-payer system. So what I believe is we should set up a series of choices....Over time it may be that we end up transitioning to such a system. For now, I just want to make sure every American is covered...I don't want to wait for that perfect system...” (August, 2007, at an Iowa roundtable)
Obama offers 5 reasons for not supporting single payer.
First: “..we’ve got all these legacy systems in place” simply means that our system is not single payer, and we’ve had it for a long time. Obama has turned himself into a bent sort of Burkean conservative: we have been marinating in a tradition which so permeates our way of being in the world that to do away with it would upset social life as we know it. This tradition includes…. insurance-industry-based health care! More mundanely: we haven’t got it, so we can’t have it.
Second: it would be hard to “manage the transition” from a deeply flawed system to a much better one. Harder than it was to effect the transition to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, desegregation, etc.? In each of these cases, what many people had “known for most of their lives” [was] “thrown by the wayside”. It belongs to the nature of any move from one way of doing things to a very different one that the transition will take some doing. That fact alone proves nothing. What matters is how urgent is the need for change. The US’s irrationally costly system which leaves millions uninsured, a fate suffered by the citizens of no other developed capitalist country, is surely intolerable. We have been given no reason to think that the cost of a transition to universal coverage is so great as to outweigh the massive benefits of this tried and tested arrangement. Obama’s excuses amount to a cleverly disguised a-priori argument against any consequential transformation of the status quo.
Third: the “difficulty” [i.e. costs] of “adjusting the culture to a different system”, given that there is “a lot of resistance to a single-payer system” , outweigh the benefits of single-payer. But what matters is not what a few selected Iowans are alleged to have felt about universal coverage. The demonstrated preferences of the democratic majority can’t be irrelevant.
On this issue Obama clearly means to imply that Americans don’t support single-payer. This is factually false. It’s improbable that Obama is unaware of the results of many surveys on this issue, the most recent of which was conducted between December 14-20, 2007. The results of this Associated Press-Yahoo poll are worth reproducing as they were reported:
Subjects were asked which of the following 2 views comes closest to their own view:
1. The United States should continue the current health insurance system in which most people get their health insurance from private insurers, but some people have no insurance.
2. The United States should adopt a universal health insurance program in which everyone is covered under a program like Medicare that is run by the government and financed by taxpayers.
A majority of 65% supported 2, 34% supported 1 and 2% did not respond.
Those polled were also asked “Do you consider yourself a supporter of a single-payer health care system, that is a national health plan financed by taxpayers in which all Americans would get their insurance from a single government plan, or not?”
55% answered Yes, 44% No and 2% did not respond. Single-payer still has a majority here, but a smaller one, probably due to the pollsters’ use of (what is to some) the red-flag term ‘single payer’. [View the full poll results at http://news.yahoo.com/page/ election-2008-political-pulse- voter-worries]
Taxpayer funded, government-run health care insurance for all is a public, not a private, good, and it is the only political project that most Americans are on record as willing to pay higher taxes to achieve. There is in fact not “a lot of resistance” to a rational health care system. Obama knows this. But the interests of those who have heavily invested (literally) in him seem to carry more weight than do the most pressing interests of the rest.
The Ideology of Individual Choice and the Logic of Solidarity
Fourth: Obama claims that a health care plan based on “a series of choices” is superior to one that leaves no choice but instead saddles everyone with the burden of full and affordable coverage. Pity those poor Europeans, deprived of their right to liberty by forced access to first-rate health care. In US culture few things are more important than the right to choose: which health care system gives us the most choice? This way of thinking is saturated with the ideology of individualism and its private goods, and distracts us from solidarity, as opposed to self-interest, as a political and moral value. This is especially pernicious since, as we shall see, it is only concerted action motivated by solidarity that can bring about a health care system from which no one is excluded because they can’t afford it.
When Obama contradistinguishes choice from universal coverage he unwittingly underscores the irrelevance of individual, self-interested choice to political goals motivated by a commitment to solidarity. Preoccupation with the choice between one doctor and another, one plan or another, conceals a crucial assumption, namely that the fundamental issue underlying the health care debate is one about choice and liberty. An individualist way of looking at things implies that our collective fate is a function of whether or not each individual member of society is savvy enough to make the free choices most likely to promote his or her self-interest. But are people who worry about access to health care really concerned with choice? What weighs upon them is that they can’t afford health care. No individual can make on her own the choice to turn the US into a country that makes health care affordable, available to all. That choice is not a choice by an individual about her own well being. It is not even a choice about the sum total of each and every individual’s well being. It is a choice we make together about the kind of society we want to live in. To worry about health care because one cannot afford it is, on reflection, to lament the non-existence of a public good, universally accessible health care, one that can’t be reduced to the sum of all individual goods. The survey discussed above indicates that most Americans implicitly know this. The majority endorse a universally applicable measure, taxation, as a means to institute a universally available, i.e. public, good, access to health care. A universal tax, as for education, roadways, health care, is not an individual cost; it is a social cost. Correspondingly, universally accessible health care is not an individual good, it is a public good. The majority would prefer to live in the kind of society that features that public good. It’s a different kind of society from the one we’re currently stuck with.
That kind of society, and the public goods it prioritizes, can be achieved only if it is pursued as a goal by people acting in concert. That’s where solidarity is on display: in collective action motivated by the desire to achieve a public good.
The kinds of goals/goods in question typically involve bringing about a certain kind of society. For example: the kind of society that provides all with affordable health care, the kind of society that makes access to the means of life -e.g. a living wage- available to all, the kind of society that makes the meeting of human needs the principal motivator of economic production, the kind of society that assigns sufficient resources to the reduction of pollution and the preservation of nature,… Prattling on about individual choice creates a conceptual space within which considerations of solidarity and public goods cannot arise. Talking about solidarity in the language of individualism is like trying to score a field goal in baseball.
Obama references affordability in spite of himself when he claims (falsely) that he wants to “make sure that every American is covered”. The fundamental virtue of single payer is that it detaches insurance from employment and thereby from one’s level of income, so that everyone can afford health care. The question of choice doesn’t even arise if you can’t afford to keep yourself healthy. And come to think of it, were health care universally available, the question of affordability would not arise. Talk of being able to “afford” access to health care would be as misplaced as talk of being able to afford access to elementary education.
Solidarity As a Familiar Phenomenon
The issue is worth dwelling on. In everyday life we are all familiar with the pursuit of irreducibly social goods. Think of a family with kids. A rare and highly desirable work opportunity, but far from home, arises for spouse #1. Spouse #2 has come upon a comparable golden opportunity, also far from home. The family wants to stay together. A decision based on the good of either individual spouse would break up the family. What to do? It’s not uncommon in such a situation for the adults to look to determine what would be good for the family. And what’s good for the family is not the sum of spouse #1’s good plus spouse #2’s good, plus the goods of each individual child. We cannot commensurate and then sum up these different and sometimes incompatible goods. The good of the family is irreducibly social, just like universally accessible health care. Families and households act in solidarity all the time.
Obama’s repeated insistence on the market as the primary agent in distributing resources precludes consideration of questions of solidarity from the outset. He is the instrument of domestic advisors benighted by now-discredited economic theories hailing the efficiency and liberty-promoting virtues of the market. For these economists the pursuit of individual self-interest, plus competition, makes the world go round and secures for us all the freedom we (are allowed to) want. As we have seen above, the restriction of human-welfare-enhancing political choices to the realm of competition and self-interest deprives us of the freedom collectively to choose to live in the kind of society that provides copious public goods. That’s a big freedom lost.
The Political Psychology of Solidarity
A sense of solidarity is far more prevalent in much of Europe than it is in the US. In a New York Times article titled “For the French, Solidarity Still Counts” (by Youseff M. Ibrahim, Dec. 20, 1995), the author describes public reaction in France to a three-week strike by public workers supported by “hundreds of thousands of demonstrators who filled the streets of every major city in France.” Workers were protesting then Prime Minister Juppe’s proposal to slash medical, social welfare and benefit payments. According to the Times:
“Polls showed an astonishing amount of sympathy on the part of those who did not participate in the strike and who suffered the paralysis of mass transit and essential services. Many people explained that they supported the strike because the Government’s austerity programs are stripping layer after layer of subsidies that permitted French families of even the most modest means to sample the cultural and culinary treasures that only the rich can afford.”
One recipient of the social wage was a woman receiving the standard subsidy extended to pregnant women. The stipend will continue, for each child, until the child reaches 18. Said the woman: “This is the foundation of our Republican system… Equality and fraternity are not mere slogans here. For me the engagement by the state is an expression of solidarity that gives us values… I think most French people want France’s values to be decided by this spirit, not by cold, remote, economic summits that speak of deficits and competition. That was the message of the strikes.”
This past March one million demonstrated across France in protest of proposed cutbacks in the wake of the financial crisis. I am currently living in France for a stretch of time and have witnessed frequent strikes and other expressions of resistance to neoliberal austerity measures. A sad and stark contrast to the sitting-duck posture of so many US workers.
The Times article provides an implicit explanation of why it is that in France and other European countries there is no general resentment of social benefits available, for example, to single mothers, while in the US more than a few working people oppose this kind of support. The Times reports that the subsidy offered to the woman quoted above “is extended to every mother in France regardless of economic or marital status.” In France benefits to single mothers are not regarded as “special treatment” denied to the responsible and hard-working. There is neither social nor psychological soil in which to plant the seeds of resentment, since the single mother is the recipient of a public good available to all mothers.
Fifth and finally: “I just want to make sure every American is covered...I don't want to wait for that perfect system...” If the president truly wanted to guarantee universal coverage he would not have taken single-payer off the table before discussions began. Whatever is finally settled upon, government will neither negotiate drug prices nor regulate premiums, so we know now that millions will remain uninsured. Obama has known that all along.
Obama rigs the game by characterizing single-payer as “that perfect system”. One of the major weapons in the party-liners’ arsenal is to portray those who believe in greater possibilities as naïve utopians blind to the truism that a “perfect world” is impossible in what William F. Buckley liked to call “this veil of tears”. The logic is fine: since there are no finite limits to the greater possibilities of goodness, and perfection is conceived as the greatest possible, it follows that perfection is impossile down here. But whoever introduced talk of perfection in the first place? Isn’t the elimination of a great deal of unnecessary suffering enough? Last I recall, single-payer advocates claim merely (sic) that it is way better than what we are offered. That’s pretty good.
Obama’s case against single-payer frames health-care priorities in the language of atomic individualism. Hence, the range of possible outcomes is determined for the worse before discussion begins. I am suggesting that a good part of our resistance and organizing should consist in reminders that an alternative way of thinking and acting is already on display in some of our common practices, and in already existing benefits won for other populations by aiming at public goods to be achieved by concerted action in solidarity.
Hope that helps.
The Alleged Impossibility of Universal Health Care
In May and August, 2007 Obama stated his position on single payer:
"If you're starting from scratch, then a single-payer system'-a government-managed system like Canada's, which disconnects health insurance from employment-'would probably make sense. But we've got all these legacy systems in place, and managing the transition, as well as adjusting the culture to a different system, would be difficult to pull off. So we may need a system that's not so disruptive that people feel like suddenly what they've known for most of their lives is thrown by the wayside." (May, 2007)
" [W]hen we had a healthcare forum before I set up my healthcare plan here in Iowa there was a lot of resistance to a single-payer system. So what I believe is we should set up a series of choices....Over time it may be that we end up transitioning to such a system. For now, I just want to make sure every American is covered...I don't want to wait for that perfect system...” (August, 2007, at an Iowa roundtable)
Obama offers 5 reasons for not supporting single payer.
First: “..we’ve got all these legacy systems in place” simply means that our system is not single payer, and we’ve had it for a long time. Obama has turned himself into a bent sort of Burkean conservative: we have been marinating in a tradition which so permeates our way of being in the world that to do away with it would upset social life as we know it. This tradition includes…. insurance-industry-based health care! More mundanely: we haven’t got it, so we can’t have it.
Second: it would be hard to “manage the transition” from a deeply flawed system to a much better one. Harder than it was to effect the transition to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, desegregation, etc.? In each of these cases, what many people had “known for most of their lives” [was] “thrown by the wayside”. It belongs to the nature of any move from one way of doing things to a very different one that the transition will take some doing. That fact alone proves nothing. What matters is how urgent is the need for change. The US’s irrationally costly system which leaves millions uninsured, a fate suffered by the citizens of no other developed capitalist country, is surely intolerable. We have been given no reason to think that the cost of a transition to universal coverage is so great as to outweigh the massive benefits of this tried and tested arrangement. Obama’s excuses amount to a cleverly disguised a-priori argument against any consequential transformation of the status quo.
Third: the “difficulty” [i.e. costs] of “adjusting the culture to a different system”, given that there is “a lot of resistance to a single-payer system” , outweigh the benefits of single-payer. But what matters is not what a few selected Iowans are alleged to have felt about universal coverage. The demonstrated preferences of the democratic majority can’t be irrelevant.
On this issue Obama clearly means to imply that Americans don’t support single-payer. This is factually false. It’s improbable that Obama is unaware of the results of many surveys on this issue, the most recent of which was conducted between December 14-20, 2007. The results of this Associated Press-Yahoo poll are worth reproducing as they were reported:
Subjects were asked which of the following 2 views comes closest to their own view:
1. The United States should continue the current health insurance system in which most people get their health insurance from private insurers, but some people have no insurance.
2. The United States should adopt a universal health insurance program in which everyone is covered under a program like Medicare that is run by the government and financed by taxpayers.
A majority of 65% supported 2, 34% supported 1 and 2% did not respond.
Those polled were also asked “Do you consider yourself a supporter of a single-payer health care system, that is a national health plan financed by taxpayers in which all Americans would get their insurance from a single government plan, or not?”
55% answered Yes, 44% No and 2% did not respond. Single-payer still has a majority here, but a smaller one, probably due to the pollsters’ use of (what is to some) the red-flag term ‘single payer’. [View the full poll results at http://news.yahoo.com/page/
Taxpayer funded, government-run health care insurance for all is a public, not a private, good, and it is the only political project that most Americans are on record as willing to pay higher taxes to achieve. There is in fact not “a lot of resistance” to a rational health care system. Obama knows this. But the interests of those who have heavily invested (literally) in him seem to carry more weight than do the most pressing interests of the rest.
The Ideology of Individual Choice and the Logic of Solidarity
Fourth: Obama claims that a health care plan based on “a series of choices” is superior to one that leaves no choice but instead saddles everyone with the burden of full and affordable coverage. Pity those poor Europeans, deprived of their right to liberty by forced access to first-rate health care. In US culture few things are more important than the right to choose: which health care system gives us the most choice? This way of thinking is saturated with the ideology of individualism and its private goods, and distracts us from solidarity, as opposed to self-interest, as a political and moral value. This is especially pernicious since, as we shall see, it is only concerted action motivated by solidarity that can bring about a health care system from which no one is excluded because they can’t afford it.
When Obama contradistinguishes choice from universal coverage he unwittingly underscores the irrelevance of individual, self-interested choice to political goals motivated by a commitment to solidarity. Preoccupation with the choice between one doctor and another, one plan or another, conceals a crucial assumption, namely that the fundamental issue underlying the health care debate is one about choice and liberty. An individualist way of looking at things implies that our collective fate is a function of whether or not each individual member of society is savvy enough to make the free choices most likely to promote his or her self-interest. But are people who worry about access to health care really concerned with choice? What weighs upon them is that they can’t afford health care. No individual can make on her own the choice to turn the US into a country that makes health care affordable, available to all. That choice is not a choice by an individual about her own well being. It is not even a choice about the sum total of each and every individual’s well being. It is a choice we make together about the kind of society we want to live in. To worry about health care because one cannot afford it is, on reflection, to lament the non-existence of a public good, universally accessible health care, one that can’t be reduced to the sum of all individual goods. The survey discussed above indicates that most Americans implicitly know this. The majority endorse a universally applicable measure, taxation, as a means to institute a universally available, i.e. public, good, access to health care. A universal tax, as for education, roadways, health care, is not an individual cost; it is a social cost. Correspondingly, universally accessible health care is not an individual good, it is a public good. The majority would prefer to live in the kind of society that features that public good. It’s a different kind of society from the one we’re currently stuck with.
That kind of society, and the public goods it prioritizes, can be achieved only if it is pursued as a goal by people acting in concert. That’s where solidarity is on display: in collective action motivated by the desire to achieve a public good.
The kinds of goals/goods in question typically involve bringing about a certain kind of society. For example: the kind of society that provides all with affordable health care, the kind of society that makes access to the means of life -e.g. a living wage- available to all, the kind of society that makes the meeting of human needs the principal motivator of economic production, the kind of society that assigns sufficient resources to the reduction of pollution and the preservation of nature,… Prattling on about individual choice creates a conceptual space within which considerations of solidarity and public goods cannot arise. Talking about solidarity in the language of individualism is like trying to score a field goal in baseball.
Obama references affordability in spite of himself when he claims (falsely) that he wants to “make sure that every American is covered”. The fundamental virtue of single payer is that it detaches insurance from employment and thereby from one’s level of income, so that everyone can afford health care. The question of choice doesn’t even arise if you can’t afford to keep yourself healthy. And come to think of it, were health care universally available, the question of affordability would not arise. Talk of being able to “afford” access to health care would be as misplaced as talk of being able to afford access to elementary education.
Solidarity As a Familiar Phenomenon
The issue is worth dwelling on. In everyday life we are all familiar with the pursuit of irreducibly social goods. Think of a family with kids. A rare and highly desirable work opportunity, but far from home, arises for spouse #1. Spouse #2 has come upon a comparable golden opportunity, also far from home. The family wants to stay together. A decision based on the good of either individual spouse would break up the family. What to do? It’s not uncommon in such a situation for the adults to look to determine what would be good for the family. And what’s good for the family is not the sum of spouse #1’s good plus spouse #2’s good, plus the goods of each individual child. We cannot commensurate and then sum up these different and sometimes incompatible goods. The good of the family is irreducibly social, just like universally accessible health care. Families and households act in solidarity all the time.
Obama’s repeated insistence on the market as the primary agent in distributing resources precludes consideration of questions of solidarity from the outset. He is the instrument of domestic advisors benighted by now-discredited economic theories hailing the efficiency and liberty-promoting virtues of the market. For these economists the pursuit of individual self-interest, plus competition, makes the world go round and secures for us all the freedom we (are allowed to) want. As we have seen above, the restriction of human-welfare-enhancing political choices to the realm of competition and self-interest deprives us of the freedom collectively to choose to live in the kind of society that provides copious public goods. That’s a big freedom lost.
The Political Psychology of Solidarity
A sense of solidarity is far more prevalent in much of Europe than it is in the US. In a New York Times article titled “For the French, Solidarity Still Counts” (by Youseff M. Ibrahim, Dec. 20, 1995), the author describes public reaction in France to a three-week strike by public workers supported by “hundreds of thousands of demonstrators who filled the streets of every major city in France.” Workers were protesting then Prime Minister Juppe’s proposal to slash medical, social welfare and benefit payments. According to the Times:
“Polls showed an astonishing amount of sympathy on the part of those who did not participate in the strike and who suffered the paralysis of mass transit and essential services. Many people explained that they supported the strike because the Government’s austerity programs are stripping layer after layer of subsidies that permitted French families of even the most modest means to sample the cultural and culinary treasures that only the rich can afford.”
One recipient of the social wage was a woman receiving the standard subsidy extended to pregnant women. The stipend will continue, for each child, until the child reaches 18. Said the woman: “This is the foundation of our Republican system… Equality and fraternity are not mere slogans here. For me the engagement by the state is an expression of solidarity that gives us values… I think most French people want France’s values to be decided by this spirit, not by cold, remote, economic summits that speak of deficits and competition. That was the message of the strikes.”
This past March one million demonstrated across France in protest of proposed cutbacks in the wake of the financial crisis. I am currently living in France for a stretch of time and have witnessed frequent strikes and other expressions of resistance to neoliberal austerity measures. A sad and stark contrast to the sitting-duck posture of so many US workers.
The Times article provides an implicit explanation of why it is that in France and other European countries there is no general resentment of social benefits available, for example, to single mothers, while in the US more than a few working people oppose this kind of support. The Times reports that the subsidy offered to the woman quoted above “is extended to every mother in France regardless of economic or marital status.” In France benefits to single mothers are not regarded as “special treatment” denied to the responsible and hard-working. There is neither social nor psychological soil in which to plant the seeds of resentment, since the single mother is the recipient of a public good available to all mothers.
Fifth and finally: “I just want to make sure every American is covered...I don't want to wait for that perfect system...” If the president truly wanted to guarantee universal coverage he would not have taken single-payer off the table before discussions began. Whatever is finally settled upon, government will neither negotiate drug prices nor regulate premiums, so we know now that millions will remain uninsured. Obama has known that all along.
Obama rigs the game by characterizing single-payer as “that perfect system”. One of the major weapons in the party-liners’ arsenal is to portray those who believe in greater possibilities as naïve utopians blind to the truism that a “perfect world” is impossible in what William F. Buckley liked to call “this veil of tears”. The logic is fine: since there are no finite limits to the greater possibilities of goodness, and perfection is conceived as the greatest possible, it follows that perfection is impossile down here. But whoever introduced talk of perfection in the first place? Isn’t the elimination of a great deal of unnecessary suffering enough? Last I recall, single-payer advocates claim merely (sic) that it is way better than what we are offered. That’s pretty good.
Obama’s case against single-payer frames health-care priorities in the language of atomic individualism. Hence, the range of possible outcomes is determined for the worse before discussion begins. I am suggesting that a good part of our resistance and organizing should consist in reminders that an alternative way of thinking and acting is already on display in some of our common practices, and in already existing benefits won for other populations by aiming at public goods to be achieved by concerted action in solidarity.
Hope that helps.
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Show AllThis is an extremely coherent and cohesive presentation of the REAL REASONS we are not going to get Universal Healthcare here in the U.S., despite the face that it would be the very best possible system for our country!
Mr. Obama - you have completely left our country down and revealed yourself for what you are - a shill for the Corporatocracy!!!!
You'll get no further vote or co-operation from me in your plan to placate and enrich the insurance and healthcare industries!
By the time the 2008 election rolled around Obama was looking more like LBJ than FDR, JFK or MLK. Obama is now looking more like Calvin Coolidge ("the business of America is business") and Herbert Hoover.
The only way most Americans will be able to benefit from Obamacare will be to buy stock in insurance and drug companies.
And figure out how to time the market so they can get their money out before the whole system collapses, which it mostly certainly will.
Please drop JFK or else tell me what wonders this mediocre to poor President did for the common man/woman? And why did you compare Obama to LBJ who rammed the Civil Rights Law through Congress? And Herbert Hoover has a monumental dam in the Colorado River named after him for good reasons. He also went to the Soviet Union to alleviate the hunger in that country. Perhaps the best comparison is with President Polk who continued Jackson's conflict with Mexico and lied our country into a war with Mexico. Your evaluation of history is desperately flawed.
Good choice. I've got another ... Dick "Tater" Cheney.
Change you can deceive in.
We need to give "no further vote or co-operation from me in your plan to placate and enrich the insurance and healthcare industries" to our Congressional Representatives. How did your Rep vote on health care reform? on the surge in Afghanistan? on the bankster bailout?
If your rep voted against your position, it is time to give "no further vote or co-operation" to that elected official.
The problem in our country is our over emphasis on the individual -- to the detriment of the community. Take care of number one and the hell with everyone else is an attitude that is leading us to the collapse of our democracy. We must value the reality of need for community to survive. We must learn to care and share for the benefit of us all.
We'll see whether or not Obama has the guts to use his veto power.
To all democrats:
Please explain "bait and switch."
Oh, I forgot, he needs more time.
In 1860 slavery was a "legacy system" that had been around for more years than the US medical industrial complex has been around. Obama would have never become president if Lincoln had used the legacy excuse for slavery that Obama has used to keep single-payer out of the debate.
Best and most stark commentary on what the American people really want versus was Obama wants. Obama is a liar, pure and simple. Wilson, of course, was correct for the wrong reasons. It is people like Wilson that make it possible for Obama to get away with what he does. It's no wonder Obama bends towards Republicans. Their hateful rhetoric does him a lot of good.
The "choices" Obama tells us we want are simply a shell game that assures we lose every time.
Nice article. Any society is a cooperative venture and individuals who participate in the society are interconnected and interdependent in more ways than they can imagine. Everyone contributes in a myriad of ways to the wealth created in the society and accurately determining the exact contribution of each member is impossible. The more sophisticated oligarchs and corporatist predators understand this, but also recognize that determining the actual contribution is not important for their purposes, but that determining the general perception and understanding in the society of how much each individual contributes is.
The goal of predators is to establish a belief system that includes the beliefs that individual contributions can and should be accurately determined, that quality of life should be based on such determinations (i.e., they do what they can to prevent solidarity and the recognition of the value of common purposes), and that in the present system the contributions are accurately determined and the proper individuals are appropriately rewarded.
The US predatory capitalists have succeeded well in establishing the belief system described. And that provides a political environment that allows Obama and other corporatist politicians to bamboozle the common people and prevent them from recognizing the extent to which they share in creating the wealth and to which they should share in benefitting from same.
Sioux Rose
Ah, KIVALS, master of logic, I think there is a factor that you have not taken into account. Many people are all too aware that the ones granting themselves unearned obscenely inflated bonuses are those same bankers and hustlers that broke the economy, while helping to orchestrate a net loss of trillions in terms of homeowner values and personal savings accounts. I think this bursts through any illusion that each gets what they deserve or a reward commensurate with their place in the hierarchical status quo. The perfect storm created by war sucking the resources out of our economy, while the banksters engineered the means for the fiscal bottom to drop out, added to a president elected on hope who's managed to deliver lots of pain... taken in composite represent real eye-openers, the proverbial alarm clock going off. So the belief system that the elites may have worked to establish has lost credibility. The problem is what to do about what's now obvious (in terms of its lies and conceits) given the prodigious numbers of armed guards answerable to the same authorities that have brought these crises about. Would the French revolution have happened if the palace guards had tasers and surveillance equipment as sophisticated as that now in common use?
I agree with you that the masters of the universe have lost much of their credibility, but they have cleverly developed a scheme over the decades to keep the little people divided over the social/cultural issues. If the angry little people of the left and the right could join together, something monumental could occur. I am open to suggestions to how to get to there from here.
Also, I agree that the power and technology of the oppressors grows by the year, and I worry that in the not-too-distant future it will reach a point of no return, where the few will have complete, and justifiable, confidence in their ability to crush any resistance from the many.
It is possible to get agreement on single payer. I am quasi-libertarian, pro-green, pro-constitution but I support single payer but for different reasons. To join the right and the left, one could take the different reasons for supporting the same good cause. Conservatives and liberals have different reasons for wanting to repeal the Patriot Act. Regardless of the reason, getting the broad support for that just action is necessary. Similarly, one person could support single payer for controlling spending for the insurance giants while another supports it for the purpose of giving everyone coverage. Before you reach out, know the person you are talking to. Engage in a friendly conversation and get to know there ideological stand so that you can figure out which reasons to give them for supporting a cause. Back to single payer. You don't want to give a conservative mind liberal reasons for supporting single payer and same thing on giving a liberal mind conservative reasons. Conservative reasons for conservative minds, liberal reasons for liberal minds, and similar for other ideologies.
What's the conservative case for single payer?
Some social conservatives actually support single payer.
Single payer reduces government spending, saves businesses money by eliminating the middleman that is insurance companies, and gives them no authority to meddle for insurance giants. Single payer is a slingshot against corporate welfare for the insurance giants.
Lex, not all conservatives who support single payer support it for conservative reasons. Some of those conservatives are liberal at heart. There are conservatives who support SP for saving the taxpayers money but it's hard to say if it is liberal or conservative.
Sioux Rose
KIVALS: I think the common denominator is the realization on all sides of the political spectrum that we are being robbed, a/k/a ripped off royally. From the bank bailout to the naked choice to support war over health care, to the rising living costs I delineated in my tiny neck of the woods as one example. Less jobs to go around, lousy health care, too many made homeless by reckless bank/real estate (and/or hustler) policies, food that's making many sick, water not fit to be drunk, schools that babysit and force conformity instead of inspiring learning (with exceptions, to this "rule" of course), a media awash in stupidity, filth, and the cultural equivalent of raw sewage... even HOPE itself now turned into a "4 letter word." There is no savior on the horizon; and even if a political hero was out there prepared to emerge, the media would drown him or her out.
Just as terrorism largely emerges in populations where hopelessness, poverty, and despair thrive... as our nation approaches these states, it's hard to predict what will happen. Another analogy is one can wear a pair of jeans that's fraying in obvious places until one day, the pants just utterly come apart. Our nation is a lot like those jeans.
The banker fiasco and bailout, the endless war and the bamboozlement are indeed "real eye-openers, the proverbial alarm clock going off." What to do? Staying the course is killing us. A revolution of the French variety is not going to happen. The course I see for us is to demand restoration of what was good about our system of government. (And yes, I am aware that many here think I am misguided, at best.)
We now have a wealth distribution more lopsided than the era of the Robber Barons. We need to cut taxes on the working poor and increase taxes on the ultra-wealthy one percent, i.e., engage in the same recycling of wealth we used to.
The national defense was suppose to be just that - a national undertaking that would defend us. Now it is a privatized profit industry that wants to serially attack the whole world and can get the votes in Congress to do it.
We used to license the airwaves as a public trust, the public square. We let it be taken over by those who use it to further their own economic gain at the expense of the general welfare.
And so on... We should demand that our government admit that it is off course and take steps--starting with taking the money and bribery out of elections and legislation--to make this nation work for its citizens again. (Yes, I know, it was never prefect, but infinitely better than what we have now.)
Sioux Rose
PITCH FORK: I can't say I excel when it comes to strategy, but one can recognize the approach of an all-consuming critical mass. One thing I do notice as I rent several properties and come into contact with a variety of handymen and contractors, is that EVERYONE realizes the unjust aspect of the financial squeeze.
Lately the following have been compressing incomes at the same time:
1. All Florida vehicle registrations just doubled
2. Our insurance company of last resort sent out letters stating they will no longer cover the FULL price of rebuilding after a storm, but rather the depreciated value (based on the year of the dwelling).
3. The gas company gas tank rental went from $40 to $100
4. The electric company is charging an extra sur-tax based on raising money to build a nuclear power plant that I, and others surely do not want
5. Both of my credit card companies just sent letters increasing the interest rate to 22.9% which is BEYOND usury given the fact that (A) we just bailed out these bastard banks and (B) if their own interest paid on savings is 2% how DARE they mark their rate up to the tenth power when it comes to what "we" owe them?
6. Likely mandatory health insurance will be implemented which is a complete scam and would be seen as illegal extortion if laws meant ANYTHING in this nation.
Although gas prices are rather low right now, food prices are rising, especially on dairy items.
It amazes me that the middle class is being squeezed from every angle, and this with the huge reduction in the values of our homes, and for many of us, an equal loss in stocks or savings (based on the paltry interest being paid), added to our hypothetical share of a national debt leveraged in pursuit of wars of conquest that benefit an amoral few and/or welfare to banks and big pharma!
Americans are a very materialistic people for all the noted religiosity and when their basic needs don't get met, some kind of mass swelling like that of the ground rolling as an earthquake forms WILL sooner or later reverberate through Washington, D.C.
I am amazed that the Democratic Party never made friends with the middle class on economics. They remain the party of tax and spend with no recognition that the ability of people to continue to pay an ever-increasing burden is at its end. The middle class responded to the R's call for less taxation because they were being squeezed. If the D's only solution is more taxation to increase subsidies to the poorest, it's a non-started for anyone who has anything they'd like to keep instead of surrendering ti to the government. And we're getting squeezed at every level of government and on many other unavoidable expenses like utilities.
Congress could help us. Take credit cards, for example. You make a contract with the credit card company. They agree to loan you money at x percent. How can it be legal for them to come along and say now the want x + another 10 percent? Congress could make that illegal again if they represented us instead of the financial corps.
More than anything, I think the unfairness of the bailout compared with the terms the American people are getting is what is really starting to shake the ground. First party in Washington that figures it out wins. As far as I'm concerned, neither one has indicated they understand the problem or have solutions. It's not tax cuts for the international corporations (R's) or new taxes to help the poorest (D's). That whole paradigm belongs in the last century.
Sioux Rose
PITCH FORK: The thinking (on the part of 95% of politicians) is so short-sighted, and as Nader made painfully clear, both "teams" are on the side of their corporate benefactors first and foremost. Secondly, if the elites have any doubt that their agenda will not be retained by the front-most candidate, there are always those electronic election machines to tweak.
For a while KIVALS has pointed out the need for "left" and "right" to find common ground, to place aside their cultural/social differences. The point of my (above) elaboration was that I notice where I live (very conservative & Bible belt) that many people are quite upset with the way they are getting financially screwed EVERY which way at once. I have less than $4000 in credit card debt and plan to pay off one card soon, and presuming no more teeth break, or properties require costly repairs, I hope to get that sum cut in half within a few months. The idea of paying 23% interest when I have good credit and pay on time, etc. is so punitive, and that these bastard bankers can get away with this... I mean it's just another cherry on top of a toxic "let them eat" cake! The ground is beginning to reverberate, alright... and when the energy finally cuts loose it may resemble a storm of locusts! DARPA may not be ready for that!
Polls are meaningless as long as the public doesn't really know what universal health care is all about. The questions that are asked in the polling are not the same questions or close that politicians will answer. But what about people who are not polled?
Obama by himself was both a community organizer and one who got his elitist education. Like Bush, pretend you're one of the poor and then silently help those rich drug and insurance companies. They are united while the single payer and natural cure advocates aren't when they should be. There has to be some way to bring the natural cure specialists and the single payer advocates together. Maybe they could get more people to change public perception of health care?
AND an utter betrayal of HIMSELF AND his fellow Americans in his promise to provide single-payer, "when DEM control of Congress and (HIS) presidency" was produced by We, the People of US. Wellllll ... We're Waiiiiiting (at least to the end of his otherwise SINGLE TERM)!
If Obama were president in 1860 instead of Lincoln....
"If you're starting from scratch, then a non-slavery based system would probably make sense. But we've got all these legacy slaves in place, and managing the transition, as well as adjusting the culture to a different system, would be difficult to pull off. So we may need a system that's not so disruptive that the white masters feel like suddenly what they've known for most of their lives is thrown by the wayside."
Excellent post! Thank you!!!!!
A little too late but thanks for finally letting it out. We could have had Nader or Mckinney in the White House punching hard for single payer instead of Mccain or Obama maintaining the status quo for Big Insurance/Pharma had this been exposed last year before the election.
Let's put this article up again in 2012 so that the public will have the hearts and minds to vote for Nader or whoever takes his place for progressive independent such as Matt Gonzolas or the Green Party nominee.
"We could have had Nader or Mckinney in the White House punching hard for single payer instead of Mccain or Obama maintaining the status quo for Big Insurance/Pharma had this been exposed last year before the election."
As if elections had anything to do with issues and weren't just big p.r. campaigns. I voted for Mckinney and tried to get as many Obama voters as possible to join me. However, I knew the effect would be negligible at best.
"Let's put this article up again in 2012 so that the public will have the hearts and minds to vote for Nader or whoever takes his place for progressive independent such as Matt Gonzolas or the Green Party nominee."
This article is read by an extremely small slice of the electorate as compared to the giant megaphone of the MSM (or FCM as Ray Mcgovern termed them). Again I will give my time, my money, and my vote to progressive 3rd party candidates and hope that somewhere down the line these efforts will bear fruit. But I seriously doubt it will be in 2010 or 2012.
I had the same trouble last year trying to beg the Obama and Mccain voters to consider Nader as the real deal. Mckinney wasn't on the ballot but I loved her candidacy and was prepared to do a write-in if I had to go for her. 2008 was totally depressing. I don't allow the "winnability" factor to affect my voting. The losers are not Nader or Mckinney but the voters who chose Mccain or Obama out of haste and lack of taking to heart what they really want from a leader. I hope 2012 sees improvements in progressive third party turnout.
Like food, like news. Fast food and sound bites are so seductive by nature. That is why I thought of taking the article point by point and finding ways to infuse each point in regular conversations and try to keep the politics out.
An excellent article detailing the illogical thinking of Obama (maybe even his hypocrisy) for his arguments against single payer).
I would have liked to have seen an argument by Nasser showing the American solidarity in war as a virtue juxtaposed with solidarity in health care. After all, all Americans are expected to support the war, at least, they do so through their taxes.
And no, it's not too late for single payer. Keep advocating.
YES!!!
Nassar said: He (Obama) is the instrument of domestic advisors benighted by now-discredited economic theories hailing the efficiency and liberty-promoting virtues of the market. For these economists the pursuit of individual self-interest, plus competition, makes the world go round and secures for us all the freedom we (are allowed to) want.
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The FAILURE of Reaganomics has been totally sidestepped in the corporate-controlled national dialogue. The media stokes and grooms an anti-Socialism movement to oppose a corporate president, and the real public interest has no more hope of being heard than making a "field goal in baseball."
This propaganda effort has redefined "socialism" from meaning the State owns the means of production to meaning the State does anything. By that yardstick, any act of government is socialist (which would include its various corporate collusions, aka fascism). This despite the Constitutional charge for government to provide for the general welfare, not to contract it out.
There was a public good inherent in government. People used to go into the civil service to make an honest living in the business of the public good. The Reagan revolution was a revolt against taxation, but also destroyed any sense of a public sphere, replacing it with privatized government, which was supposed to be more efficient. For example, look at the problems of defense--the two spheres of a public military and a private for-profit military. Making this public function private in no way solved any problems including cost. It made them worse.
Or one can look at the deregulation of Wall Street and again see that no matter how burdensome regulation may have been, the consequences of doing without it were much worse. Again, a public good--regulated banks--versus the repurposing of government to serve private profit at the expense of the public.
...I'm sorry. I do go on. You got me all excited. Great place to take the discussion. I've always seen it as a question of balance: The Democrats (when they existed) could never compete against Reagan's charges of tax and spend. (Funny how the taxation issue was applied to welfare but never warfare.) But no one has ever complained in the mainstream about Reagan's privatized tax and spend, which seems to me to be the only refinement, one that no one in Washington can afford to mention.
"But we've got all these legacy systems in place, and managing the transition, as well as adjusting the culture to a different system, would be difficult to pull off"
Send those monstrous legacy theft rackets of the healthscam deep into the ground along with the bankster mega failures and let the people build the rock solid alternative on the grave of laissez-faire capitalism NOW. Bury that rotten culture of corruption along side uncle Milton Friedman and let the different become the familiar, NOW. Put the audacious boot of hope to the neck of the replacement chimp, NOW. Get off your asses, people, and build the system that WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE!
House Democrats killed two provisions that could have given us the best health care in the world: single-payer. But we've still got a chance in the U.S. Senate.
Tell your senators to support single-payer health care by co-sponsoring S. 703, the American Health Security Act:
http://bit.ly/truereformnow
I'll try my best to get my two senators Bunning and Mcconnell to listen. I apologize for my state KY voting two Hitlerites to the US Senate.
"If you're starting from scratch..."
If we were starting from scratch, it might be nice to have some private companies start up a health care program for us. After all, private ownership seems to do a nice job of running a shoe store or a taco stand. I'm not against a little capitalism in its proper place. But given what we know of our rapacious parasitic monopoly corporations, why would we want to entrust health care to them? Given the government's recent history of transferring trillions of dollars to financial institutions, who would want to continue in that direction?
The problem is, we're not "starting from scratch."