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Tel Aviv Murder Reflects Israeli Fears
Why is the murder of gays in Israel different from all other anti-gay violence? That's the question I asked myself after a gunman killed two and injured fifteen at a gay youth center in Tel Aviv. As the father of a young gay man, I was horrified. As a Jew, I was appalled.
But as an activist for Jewish-Palestinian peace, I was perplexed. I wondered whether homophobia in Israel might somehow be connected to Israel's many years of conflict with its Arab neighbors, its 42 years as an occupying power, and all the violence that Israel has perpetrated as well as endured over those years.
Israel is not an especially virulent hotbed of anti-gay prejudice. Israeli police don't attack gay pride marchers on orders of the government, as police in some other countries do. The orthodox Judaism that is the source of most Israeli homophobia is no more reactionary than the conservative brands of religion that feed homophobia in other nations.
In fact, religious reactionaries in Israel probably get less public respect than they do in the United States. And in Israel it's just one religious faction stirring up prejudice against gays, while in the U.S. we have a whole interfaith coalition doing that odious job.
Nevertheless Israel is a unique case, because its political culture has revolved for so long around fear of, and enmity toward, Arabs, especially Palestinians. In the past, out-of-the-blue shootings like the one last week in Tel Aviv have always been motivated by the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Israeli peace activists have long warned that the moral callousness bred by the occupation and its violence would come home to roost in Jewish Israeli life. Might this attack be evidence that they were right? We can't know for sure until the murderer is identified. Even then, it will hardly be plausible to claim that Israel's policies of domination and violence caused the Tel Aviv murderer to act. Nor do those policies in any way directly cause homophobia in Israel.
The connection is more subtle. It's about what happens when fear becomes the foundation of public life. Israeli political culture is pervaded by insecurity about the nation's very existence. That insecurity is hardly realistic. Israel has by far the strongest military in its region and still enjoys strong backing from the world's only superpower. The fear that an independent Palestine could destroy Israel is about as realistic as the fear that equal rights for gays would destroy the Israeli -- or American -- family as we know it.
But when insecurity takes hold of a society, reality checks have little effect. That's why many Israelis can make the most absurd claims about Palestinians, just as many homophobes make absurd claims about gays and lesbians, or anyone who doesn't fit their rigid gender stereotypes.
Stereotyping is a huge part of the problem in both cases. Israelis too often make sweeping claims about "the Palestinians," as if the millions of Palestinians were all part of a Borg-like monolith (and, unfortunately, too many Palestinians are equally prone to stereotype "the Israeli"). Similarly, anti-gay forces around the world promote sweeping, often ludicrous, generalizations about homosexuals.
There's a close link between the stereotyping and the fear. Why do insecure people resort to stereotypes? And why are those people often so conservative, even reactionary, in their politics? Lots of studies have been devoted to those questions.
A few years ago, a team of psychologists looked at all the studies done over a half-century and found that they generally point to the same conclusions.
Virtually all of the motives that lead people to be conservative "originate in psychological attempts to manage uncertainty and fear. These, in turn, are inherently related to the two core aspects of conservative thought-resistance to change and the endorsement of inequality. The management of uncertainty is served by resistance to change insofar as change (by its very nature) upsets existing realities and is fraught with insecurity. Fear may be both a cause and a consequence of endorsing inequality; it breeds and justifies competition, dominance struggles, and sometimes, violent strife."
In other words, conservatives want to live in a world where the differences between people are fixed, clear-cut, and organized into simplistic hierarchies of better and worse, because they think that will keep them safe. So they want their world organized by the most basic hierarchy of all: "We are better than them."
Who the "we" and "them" are is a secondary matter. It could be straights versus gays, or Israelis versus Palestinians, or Jews versus Arabs, or any other convenient pair of opposites. Any dichotomy will do, as long as it can make life seem simple, unchangeable, and therefore secure.
Stereotyping is a key to this psychological strategy. It turns complicated three-dimensional people into simplistic two-dimensional images, and that makes the world seem more manageable. When the stereotypes of "them" are negative (as they almost always are) they justify the belief in inequality and the superiority of "our kind of people," which is essential to conservatism.
As the psychologists noted, this claim of superiority breeds and justifies competition, domination, and sometimes violence. It's easy to imagine that the Tel Aviv killer felt fully justified. There's plenty of evidence that Israeli Jews dominating and doing violence against Palestinians -- most of it, though not all, on the orders of the state -- often feel fully justified. After all, "the Palestinians want to destroy Israel"; that's the stereotype on which most Israeli policy is based.
Beneath that stereotype lies an irrational fear so deep that columnist Doron Rosenblum in Israel's leading newspaper, Ha'aretz, calls it paranoia. In fact Rosenblum writes of "at least two outstanding traits of Israeliness: aggressiveness and paranoia," and adds what all the psychological studies confirm: Those two traits "reflect two sides of the same coin."
To repeat, none of this suggests that Israel's policies of domination and violence caused the Tel Aviv murder or Israeli homophobia. But the murder can serve as a mirror, in which Israelis, American Jews, and all of us can see what happens when irrational fears of change and difference take over, whether in an individual mind or a whole society.
We here in the U.S. have plenty of irrational fears of our own to deal with. And we have plenty of groups actively preying on those fears to advance their agendas, including anti-gay-rights groups and Jewish groups supporting right-wing Israeli policies.
On the Jewish side, the latest case in point is a letter circulating in the U.S. Senate, calling on President Obama to "press Arab leaders to consider dramatic gestures toward Israel" to advance the peace process.
The letter, initiated by Senators Evan Bayh and James Risch and signed so far by five others, is the top item on the "Take Action" page of the website of AIPAC (the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee). It has all the hallmarks of previous Congressional letters that have been written in AIPAC's office. It's no stretch of the imagination that this letter, too, was written by the premier American-Jewish fear-mongering lobby.
As the Jewish peace group Brit Tzedek v'Shalom tells its members: "There is nothing wrong with calling on all parties in the Middle East to step up to the plate. This is, in fact, President Obama's approach. ... The problem with the Bayh-Risch letter is what is intentionally left out: the need for a complete Israeli settlement freeze to help move the peace process forward."
In fact, the letter makes it sound like Israel has already taken major steps in the service of peace while Arabs have done nothing. Read the Arab League's peace plan, now waiting seven years for a response from Israel, alongside reports of Israeli plans to expand settlements and block peace initiatives, to see how misleading this view is. Once again, fear and the conservatism it breeds can crowd out reality, even at the highest levels of government.
The ultimate tragedy of every right-wing strategy, whether anti-gay, anti-Palestinian, or anti-whatever, is that it's doomed to fail. Trying to prevent change, conservatives only engender conflict that is bound to lead to more change. Trying to control others, conservatives only insure that the world will grow even further out of their control. The idea of staying safe by preventing change and complexity is always an illusion.
But it's an illusion that dies hard. And while it is slowly dying, its victims -- in Tel Aviv, the Occupied Territories, and all over the globe -- are dying too.
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Show AllI know, here's a great way to impose simplicity and divide any society into warring polarities: (White) Male Supremacy; Gender Slavery; Human Slavery; Constant War & the Rights of Conquest; & of course, never to be forgotten, feral blood drinking Oligarchy...how do you spell - Authoritarian Patriarchy?
Question of the Day: Could Xrstianity/Islam/Judaism exist for a week without Male Supremacy; Gender Slavery; & Authoritarian Patriarchy?
Computer says: ...............
Sioux Rose
Lucky: computer says... NO!
How about the astro-logos, that there are TWELVE CHOSEN paths, each designed to develop a specific spiritual aptitude, from courage to patience, love to compassion. Then it could be said, "Each is THE chosen to fulfill his/her anointed purpose." The circle has no sides! It reflects a celestial model that is innately egalitarian, not to mention powerful in the didactic lessons it catalyzes.
Hey, when you are "Gods chosen" you can pretty much do whatever you damn well please...........for awhile anyway.
I believe that Israeli conservatism is based in a deeply seated, and ingrained 'collective insecurity' that the 'Jewish State' is required to adhere to in order to stake a claim to existence in its present form.
The insecurity of course is rooted in the 'remote possibility that they 'could' be wrong, well maybe, kinda, sorta--------
If any other "ethnic minority" claimed superiority over others due to being the 'chosen ones', the world would stand in united efforts to discredit the claim, and disallow any criminal activity in support of it.
Instead, another group of 'believers' who cannot claim 'ethnic authority', but require the Jewish State's existence in order to validate their own faulty and illegal claim to superiority; the Christians participate and support the illegal state of Israel. They will go to insane lengths to protect the criminal occupation of Palestine by the 'Jewish State of Israel' who have the only authority for their claim to possession; a 'text', of dubious origins, authorship and validity. The Christians suffering from the same 'collective insecurity' commit these many crimes and use the 'fantasy existence of a Messiah' and his 'eminate return' to justify actions that they would not allow any others to commit.
Until Humanity can take these tendencies out of its system for good, much like a 'bacterial or viral infection', they will suffer the repetition of the same mistakes, almost with each new generation for thousands of more years; or simply obliterate themselves and most of the other life forms on the planet.
Either way, there is no true proof that a God exists and the only thing that Humanity has left to it is to put that need for a 'God' aside, much like they did with eating 'carrion', and rise to the level that they have the ability to.
As for the 'carrion' remark. I am a survivor and if survival depended upon eating 'carrion'---I would.
I would die of starvation if I had to 'pray' just before I ate the 'carrion', or anything else for that matter.
Very well said NativeSon. You have a clear vision of America.
Hoa binh
Native Son -- 10:50 --- As much as I revere and emulate the Native Peoples stewardship, community and spirituality, I am compelled to note the log in your eye.
We all have a log somewhere in our eyes and while your analysis is accurrate and valid, I would like you to consider how it also pertains to many other societies and nations.
Many nations and peoples believe themselves superior and justified in aggressions, though I do agree that Christians and Jews seem to shout it more than most.
As you know a large number of Native American tribes named themselves " The People" in their language. I assume some pride was involved in this to what level I am unsure but assuredly that level did vary.
Also the creation myths as beautiful, allegorical and mystical as they may be I do not know to what extent they were considered reality. I do admitt in the very deepest parts of life people may come from ravens, ants or rainbow people.
This article was vauable in stating the pyschological mechanism of Conservativism.
We should all memorize its dynamics and develope strategies that will promote its transformation into correct action.
Well said, Glenn Ford. I agree with you that "We should all memorize its dynamics and develope strategies that will promote its transformation into correct action."
Thank you.
rosie2731
Sioux Rose
NATIVE: While I agree with your historical assessments, the idea that proof of God is required to fit some laboratory test I find problematic. "GOD" is everywhere and in every thing. The problem is the patriarchal description of God which is in actuality a reversal of the premise, "And God made MAN in HIS image." So empowered white guys figured, "Gee, that makes GOD one of us," and made God in THEIR image, and therein lies the rub; and it's led to inordinate fictions that have been forced through church-state hierarchies onto populations for so long that these misconceptions are taken for true by the vast majority.
In other words, too many confuse the false constructs taken from their religions of family origin for what Creator/the Infinite/Divine Intelligence/The Source IS... it amazes me that anyone could hear an elaborate cardinal's mating song, or stand spellbound before a dazzling waterfall and not find "God" there.
What man does to man, is an altogether different matter. And while debated by philosophers and theologians of all religious sects, the astute spiritual individual recognizes that this earth was created as something akin to a school house. Persons are here to learn free will. If GOD acted on behalf of persons, say to save Native Americans from ghastly executions, the Jews from the gas chambers, or today's Iraqi family from the latest U.S. "tools of liberation," the basis for what's taught on this blue-green sphere would be lost.
Too many attempt to fit the nature of God into what their logical minds can summon. It is humbling instead to recognize that we see a limited part of the spectrum, hear a limited decibel range of sounds, use less than 10% of our brains, and most struggle with egocentric emotions and bad habits. In our imperfection we are incapable of perceiving that which exists beyond the cognitive grasp of our small sentience. To be agnostic is logical, but to see with a poet's eyes and feel with a lover's heart provides quite enough PROOF for the existence of that Allness which embraces creation. We are tiny facets of the infinite stream, and in my view (a view shared with probably a billion living on this earth) no singular lifetime provides enough perspective to begin to take in the marvels of aliveness, of being PRIVILEGED to live in a miracle of flesh, regardless of the unspeakable pain of any era. It is out of love that so many of us do what we can to try to broaden understanding that this planet of so much beauty be returned to the Garden that some of us have known, and many of us still envision. And like that billion mentioned, I hope to one day return to this earth and see the dream I helped plant grow into a magnificent harvest for ALL. Life doesn't stop at the body, nor is there one and only one time 'round the wheel of time.
I share these words in peace.
Thank you for sharing your wise, peaceful and hopeful words, Siouxrose.
I, too, hope to return to this earth and see the "magnificent harvest for ALL."
I also thank Ira Chernus for his perceptive psychological insights. I will try to think of them in working with people and groups who do seem to operate out of "fear": - of change and of anyone different from themselves. It is a useful lesson.
rosie2731
Sioux Rose
ROSIE: Thank you for the acknowledgement. Peace.
Beautiful post Sioux...
Hitler sent homosexuals, along with Jews. Gypsies and Communists to the gas chambers. Beware of our identification with our oppressors! Signed: a worried Jew.
Fear is often used by governments to mobilize the populace behind the leadership. It is a universal human trait and is usually a strong enough emotion to block out all other considerations. Governing through fear, however, can precipitate unexpected consequences - including irrational and/or aggressive behavior, insane beliefs, and mindless obedience - which can also work for the benefit of a truly insidious and totalitarian government.
The preponderance of so-called "Israeli fears" today, like most and certainly including many current "U.S. fears", are a manufactured product in the service of its rulers. The notable blind spot in the thinking of most conservatives is its failure to recognise its own contribution to the most powerful weapons used by the "big governments" they claim to abhor.
The success of all power structures always depends on their skills in creating and maintaining divisive conflicts amongst the populace over whom they rule. That fact can readily be observed in hierarchies at every level, from the workplace to the governance of nations. It even has an important role to play in the manufacturing of consent where the process of "compromise" is under the careful control of the same powerful interests. (There's really nothing unique about Israel in that respect. Witness any of the ongoing political "debates" in the U.S.)
The finding of common ground amongst the subjects themselves, on the other hand, whether through labor unions or more broadly-based citizen groups, is the major threat to power that must be subverted at all costs. Stereotyping, irrational fears and insecurities are merely useful tools for that purpose -- and almost always highly succesful ones.
More specific to Israel's suppression of dissenting voices, Johnathan Cook has written a good article published today at
http://www.counterpunch.org/cook08042009.html
Sioux Rose
RV: Apt & excellent analysis.
I agree - this is a good analysis of the situation. Once again Chernus attempts to use a psychological rationale as an excuse for theft, murder, and ethnic cleansing. The plain and simple fact is that the Zionist goal is and always has been to steal the land of the Palestinians. They have made this very clear. If Palestinians put up some kind of resistance to this, then they are labelled as terrorists and summarily slaughtered by one of the most powerful military machines in the world while the Zionist propaganda machine persuades the US that their existence is continually under threat.
Ray Berthiaume
I very much appreciate the reasonableness of the professor's essay. Very carefully written but clear.
Good article but there is one thing I see differently. I think the ultra-orthodox have a huge hold on the Israeli government. This article makes it seem as though the religious extremists in Israel are not taken seriously, but to the contrary, they seem to rule when it comes to policies about settlements. They have perpetrated violence before at gay pride events. They seem to exist with a degree of impunity. In this way the article is way off base.
I wrote more about this on my blog a couple of days ago. http://baruchzedblog.blogspot.com/
well this is quite interesting, and of course all bigotry is related in some sense and usually has the same source in any given group. Let's look at some facts though. Before the "one God", homophobia didn't exist as a cultural element. Homosexuality was tolerated, and condoned in most cultures and even hallowed in some. When the one god appeared, demanding that all infant males be subjected to the crime of having their genitals mutilated at birth, male homosexuality had to be vilified and deemed a sin. The admonitions against homosexuality in the old testament are specifically male. Nothing is said about women. If one applies a little reason to the situation it all makes sense. When one is circumcised at birth one doesn't grasp what has been done. Once one has relations with another male, especially one that hasn't been circumcised, the gravity of what has happened slowly sinks in. Infant circumcision is a crime, and should be obvious to any rational thinking person. It is a violation of ones basic human right to bodily integrity. The ancients realized this. Ancient Greece and Rome outlawed this practice because the Hebrews were in the habit of not only doing this to themselves but their slaves as well, who often were not Hebrew. Christ claimed to be the Jewish messiah, he also claimed to be the new covenant with God, eradicating the old one (circumcision), read Galatians, chapter 5. Christ realized that the Jews would never be accepted by other cultures as long as they continued to do this thing to their children, so he tried to stop it and replace it with ritual of baptism at birth instead of genital mutilation. The ritual had to be replaced with something to gain converts. So in summation, male homosexuality strikes at the very core belief in Jewish exceptionalism through their covenant with "God". The homosexuals will always eventually call into question the right to subject boys to this practice against their will without consent. As a homosexual, I can attest to the fact that most men I know regret that this was done to them. Most learn to accept that there is nothing that can be done after the fact. Some of us, who have had very bad outcomes from the practice are forced to live with the knowledge that for the inadvertent slip of a scalpel we would have had normal lives. Of course some will accuse me of being biased, and I say naturally I am. And that is my point, the homosexuals who know the difference are a threat to the practice of circumcision at birth, which is a crime no matter how you rationalize it. "It is what it is"
If the Israelis want peace rather than brutal domination
then all they need do is to comply with UNSC Resolution 242.
The persecuted have become the persecutors.
This article shifts the focus from anti-gay Israeli terrorists to fear of Palestinian Arabs. I do not buy your unproven hypothesis Mr. Chernov.
You don't have to buy every particular of this connective argument to appreciate that there are linkages amongst a very wide range of irrational fears and the manipulation thereof leading to hatreds and violence of all kinds. In fact, I would suggest that the primary weakness of this particular analysis is the narrowness of its specifics.
How many Orthodox Jews who hate gays feel the same about Arabs?
Hatreds against one group of people can easily be transferred to any other considered a threat (or simply different) if one's mind is habituated to intolerance, fear, and hatred.
Call them Reactionaries, Fascists, Commissars, Zionists, Taliban, Theocrats, Fundamentalists, Militarists, Corporatists, Stalinists, authoritarians, liars, thieves, rapists, torturers, dictators or just simply conservatives. Thanks Ira for calling a spade a spade.
Israel is like the picture of Dorian Gray, with every murder, with every lie, with every abuse of power, with every violation, with every act of self-righteouness, it gets a little uglier. Israel is rotting from the inside out and, hopefully, it won't be long before it finally self-destructs giving the rest of the world renewed hope for peace.
Jerusalem – It was 13-year-old Diala who was awoken first, just after 5 a.m. on Sunday morning, by the commotion outside. She rushed to the window, saw special riot police in black uniforms, and ran to wake her parents.
By the time she did, the Israeli police were already breaking in through doors and windows, forcing the 17-member Hanoun family – three brothers, their wives, and children – to leave the home their relatives acquired a half-century ago. In all, 58 Palestinians were evicted in this predominantly Arab neighborhood of East Jerusalem, Sheikh Jarrah.
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Tel Aviv's Continuous Ethnic Cleansing and Genocidal Murder Reflects on all Jews.
Ethnic cleansing and genocidal murder are okay if the "chosen people" do it. Their god told them so at about the same time as he handed them the deed to all that Middle East real estate. And I know it's all true 'cuz the book that the same "chosen people" wrote about it says so -- along with a few other gory details about previous slaughters sanctioned by their god.
No wonder the "Christian" imperialists were so anxious to latch on to their "Old Testament" guidance.
RV, adjunct to yesterday I concurr a greater conicident interest factor between the US & Israel than I posited. You were right I've reflected.
With Russia north, China east, Africa south-west, India east....and the ME oil, the US power structure will die b4 withdrawing from IrAfPak et all. And Greater Israel looms, as does Armageddon Iran, Apocalypse Natanz.
Hi Azjoe....It's been a while!
I am responding to you,to say hope you are well.
Also. It occurs to me, in this article, that homosexuals would be seen as a threat to increasing the population. But i guess that could be said about any society. I think, though, in israel it may be even more so.
Perhaps it will come to be seen as treason, in that sense. Of subverting the state.
That is just a very basic, pragmatic take on things. And i may be way off base here.
peace and more........
One more 'reflection'.
I often challenge those who espouse the belief in 'God' to "prove" their 'God' ---actually exists.
Many people here in these posts try very hard to "define" or often "refine" their own concept, or variance of their belief in "God", and many use well chosen and articulate wording and phrases.
None of them succeed.
The 'belief' in "God" if it exists in anyone should be a 'personal matter', left to the person, and not 'shared' or 'forced' upon anyone else. It would be very 'refreshing' if this were the case. But it is not.
Belief in a "God" in ALL of recorded history has never been a 'personal matter'---it invariably 'devolves' into a 'personnel matter'---and when you have enough 'personnel' believing the same 'propaganda' i.e. WE are GOD's Chosen--('kids/children', servants, prophets, guardians, slaves, soldiers, and 'executioners' )-----and then the blood starts to flow ----all for the glory of "GOD" of course.
The tragic story of Moctezuma and the Aztecs is just one example. The Aztec recognized a deity called Quetzalcoatl, who had 'after serving human beings (the Aztec) with many great 'things', he departed on a 'journey with a promise to return someday'. Sound familiar?.
When Cortes arrived off the coast of Mexico in 1519 the Aztec welcomed him, thinking at first that he 'might be' Quetzalcoatl, and if he were not he could be defeated since he had a relatively small force. *
After awhile, Cortex later wrote that the 'lord laid it upon his heart' and the Aztec leader was taken prisoner for ransom of Gold (God needed the money). When this was met the Spanish with a priest in charge decided to kill Moctezuma instead of releasing him---so they tortured him for several days until he converted to Christianity, after which they promptly tossed him off the roof of his own palace.
The belief was that 'at least he went to heaven and did not die an 'infidel'-----typical 'religious logic'.
This is exactly the kind of behavior that believing in a "God" leads to whether it is Jehovah, 'his son jr.' or Allah, or Zeus, or Shiva or ---Zoroaster---if you wish to read the history of "God"----it is 'written in blood', no matter what the 'Gods' name. And the Aztec are just one of thousands of stories, some even worse.
* The Aztec had no knowledge of the many diseases that the Spanish carried with them, but then neither did the Spanish, but "God" 'should have' but still "God" did not spare the Aztec from those diseases; even though Cortes stated many times that he was 'there for the Spanish Crown and "GOD"...........that would make "God:" either 'really stupid, really mean, really inconsiderate---or in modern terms ---really 'fucked up' man----or----
God does not exist except in the 'minds' of those who are strong enough to force "God" on others. It has laways been that way---no matter what the "God's" name.
The sooner humanity is able to leave the need for a 'God' behind it humanity will have fewer limitations---for a belief in "God" always leads to limitations--after all, "why not let God handle it" has been the mantra for the infliction of untold human as well as animal suffering?
This would in my opinon make it almost a 'duty' for those who do not believe in "God" to do whatever they are required to do by circumstances to 'call out' those who DO believe in "God" to either "prove that God exists"--- or-----
shut up about it, and leave the rest of us ALONE about it.
Thanks for your time.
NativeSon,
Firstly, to the defense of Judaism is particular.
Although I understand your frustration with atrocities carried out in the name of religion, it would be fallacious to fault religions for the atrocities. I am Muslim, but I have NO issues with Judaism: not even their claim to be the chosen people. If the premise is that God exists, and if He (She/It) has chosen the Jews, and if one of the attributes of God is to be just, then must have given them both His favors and some responsibilities. That, I think, is what escapes the most. The book of Isaiah states (Jewish book, only fair that we refer to that when examining this claim) that they should be a "...nation of priest and a light unto this world...". Therein, for me, is a rationale for the 'preferred nation status' from God. However, the State of Israel never lived up to that expectation, and, as such, for me, they have to abdicate their claim to be "the chosen people".
If the premise doesn't hold and God doesn't exist, then there is no logical reason to champion the idea of that ethnocentric hybris.In conclusion, (again, if the premises hold) please fault that State but not their religion.
Further, this time in the defense of theism as a whole.
Faith is not bottled up in any test tube that you take to the laboratory for examining its existence or nature. It is neither science nor measurable (much like emotions) and, hence the name 'faith'. Therefore your theory of ME (I don't want to make bold to speak for any one else, nor do I believe in the plurality of my being to insert "we" in the place of "I") having to "prove" God's existence is just as futile and counterproductive as you having to disprove the same. However, it should manifest itself in its personal and individual fashion so that NO ONE ever has to be silenced for articulating their ideas (not even Liebermann:).
Had religion not existed (and in some cases they the subjects were naked of it), people would have yielded to some other 'higher cause', be it patriotism, nationalism, or "counter-terrorism", etc. to justify their actions. Alone the history of the 20th century suffices as a witness of my implication.
I hope I haven't offended you by formulating my concerns to you.
Thank you for reading.
I am not jewish... But I have studied a little Torah and Kaballah, and I can tell you this...
The whole "Chosen ones" thing has been taken out of contrxt by the zionist zealots to justify Israeli occupation in Palestine...
Or it is used by their detractors to blame Judaism for the sins of secular zionists like The Rothschilds who created Israel...
The hassidic idea of "chosen ones" has to do with the individual covenant with YHWH, not the babylonian war god Jehovah...
They would "choose" to honor and work to be an upright member of the tribe, and strive to improve themselves with that promise...
It was the misinterpretation of racist and secular Jews that later claimed it justified their atrocities against the Arabs...
Hey NativeSon...
God doesn't exist... But universal spirit does...
My counter arguement... Prove love exists...
"please fault that State but not their religion."
I don't entirely agree. Any religion that has lasted through the ages had to have appealed, either in text or interpretation, to all kinds of people, authoritarian and tolerant. (In contrast, a cult does not attract an eclectic audience. Wahabism or modern Christian evangelists, thus, are cults.) Thus, if leaders use religion to justify male dominance, genocide, torture, war, etcetera, they are more at fault than such pieces of religious doctrine (which should have been renounced by modernity).
I'm an atheist by belief (meaning no proof is possible of non-deities) because every known set of religious doctrine indicating "God" or gods exist in the form prescribed by religious text/tradition has been proven false. HOwever, that doesn't mean every single thing written in "holy texts" are meaningless lies or support false moralities.
Tailfeather. Thank you for being charitable in your last lines. I happen to agree with you on most things as well, with two exceptions.
1)You seem to view doctrines as computer programs: if it doesn't work, fix it (modernity will or should). The problem is the human interpretation does not necessarily understand the programming in a uni-dimensional fashion. Therefore, even within the adherents of a certain scripture, you will find fringe elements. Which elements are to be removed and who decides that? Therefore, to establish a quasi sense of justice, why not throw out all religions? In that case, may I ask what my deficiency is that I might be deprived of, what I believe to be, my raison d'etre?
Your faith in the inherent goodness of modernity is stronger than a lot of peoples' faith in their religion. Which could offer the illusion of making you appear to be a believer:).
2) No, jokes aside, where is the "proof" of the falsehood of all religious doctrines that you mentioned? I would like to examine that first before responding, out of respect for you.
This is childish. Israel has one the few militaries in the world that allows openly-gay service members. That makes them more tolerant of homosexuals than most countries on the planet. Israel also has gay pride parades and gay districts. We don't know the motive of this killing, so quit speculating.
As for Palestinians...why not give the land back to the Ancient Romans, after all, they were the ones who invented 'Palestine' anyway.