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Everyone Should See 'Torturing Democracy'
In all the recent debate over torture, many of our Beltway pundits and politicians have twisted themselves into verbal contortions to avoid using the word at all.
During his speech to the conservative American Enterprise Institute last week -- immediately on the heels of President Obama's address at the National Archives -- former Vice President Dick Cheney used the euphemism "enhanced interrogation" a full dozen times.
Smothering the reality of torture in euphemism of course has a political value, enabling its defenders to diminish the horror and possible illegality. It also gives partisans the opening they need to divert our attention by turning the future of the prison at Guantanamo Bay into a "wedge issue," as noted on the front page of Sunday's New York Times.
According to the Times, "Armed with polling data that show a narrow majority of support for keeping the prison open and deep fear about the detainees, Republicans in Congress started laying plans even before the inauguration to make the debate over Guantanamo Bay a question of local community safety instead of one about national character and principles."
No political party would dare make torture a cornerstone of its rejuvenation if people really understood what it is. And lest we
forget, we're not just talking about waterboarding, itself a trivializing euphemism for drowning.
If we want to know what torture is, and what it does to human beings, we have to look at it squarely, without flinching. That's just what a powerful and important film, seen by far too few Americans, does. Torturing Democracy was written and produced by one of America's outstanding documentary reporters, Sherry Jones. (Excerpts from the film are being shown on the current edition of "Bill Moyers Journal" on PBS -- check local listings, or go to the program's website at PBS.org/Moyers, where you can be linked to the entire, 90-minute documentary.)
A longtime colleague, Sherry Jones and the film were honored this week with the prestigious RFK Journalism Award from the Robert F. Kennedy Center for Justice and Human Rights. Torturing Democracy was cited for its "meticulous reporting," and described as "the definitive broadcast account of a deeply troubling chapter in recent American history."
Unfortunately, as events demonstrate, the story is not yet history; the early chapters aren't even closed. Torture still is being defended as a matter of national security, although by law it is a war crime, with those who authorized and executed it liable for prosecution as war criminals. The war on terror sparked impatience with the rule of law -- and fostered the belief within our government that the commander-in-chief had the right to ignore it.
Torturing Democracy begins at 9/11 and recounts how the Bush White House and the Pentagon decided to make coercive detention and abusive interrogation the official U.S. policy on the war on terror. In sometimes graphic detail, the documentary describes the experiences of several of the men held in custody, including Shafiq Rasul, Moazzam Begg and Bisher al-Rawi, all of whom eventually were released. Charges never were filed against them and no reason was ever given for their
years in custody.
The documentary traces how tactics meant to train American troops to survive enemy interrogations -- the famous SERE program ("Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape") -- became the basis for many of the methods employed by the CIA and by interrogators at Guantanamo and in Iraq, including waterboarding (which inflicts on its victims the terror of imminent death), sleep and sensory deprivation, shackling, caging, painful stress positions and sexual humiliation.
"We have re-created our enemy's methodologies in Guantanamo," Malcolm Nance, former head of the Navy's SERE training program, says in Torturing Democracy. "It will hurt us for decades to come. Decades. Our people will all be subjected to these tactics, because we have authorized them for the world now. How it got to Guantanamo is a crime and somebody needs to figure out who did it, how they did it, who authorized them to do it... Because our servicemen will suffer for years."
In addition to its depiction of brutality, Torturing Democracy also credits the brave few who stood up to those in power and said, "No." In Washington, there were officials of conviction horrified by unfolding events, including Alberto Mora, the Navy's top civilian lawyer, Major General Thomas Romig, who served as Judge Advocate General of the US Army from 2001 to 2005 and Lieutenant Colonel Stuart Couch, a former senior prosecutor with the Office of Military Commissions.
Much has happened since the film's initial telecast on some public television stations last fall. Once classified memos from the Bush administration have been released that reveal more details of the harsh techniques used against detainees whose guilt or innocence is still to be decided.
President Obama has announced he will close Guantanamo by next January, with the specifics to come later in the summer. That was enough to set off hysteria among Democrats and Republicans alike who don't want the remaining 240 detainees on American soil -- even in a super maximum security prison, the kind already holding hundreds of terrorist suspects. The president also triggered criticism from constitutional and civil liberties lawyers when he suggested that some detainees may be held indefinitely, without due process.
But in an interview with Radio Free Europe this week, General David Petraeus, the man in charge of the military's Central Command, praised the Guantanamo closing, saying it "sends an important message to the world" and will help advance America's strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan.
In another revealing and disturbing development, the former chief of staff to former Secretary of State Colin Powell, Lawrence Wilkerson, has suggested what is possibly as scandalous a deception as the false case Bush and Cheney made for invading Iraq. Colonel Wilkerson writes that in their zeal to prove a link between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein during the months leading up to the Iraq war, one suspect held in Egypt, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, was water tortured until he falsely told the interrogators what they wanted to hear.
That phony confession that Wilkerson says was wrung from a broken man who simply wanted the torture to stop was then used as evidence in Colin Powell's infamous address to the United Nations shortly before the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Colin Powell says the CIA vetted everything in his speech and that Wilkerson's allegation is only speculation. We'll never know the full story -- al-Libi died three weeks ago in a Libyan prison. A suicide.
Or so they say.
No wonder so many Americans clamor for a truth commission that will get the facts and put them on the record, just as Torturing Democracy has done. Then we can judge for ourselves.
As the editors of the magazine The Christian Century wrote this week, "Convening a truth commission on torture would be embarrassing to the U.S. in the short term, but in the long run it would demonstrate the strength of American democracy and confirm the nation's adherence to the rule of law... Understandably, [the President] wants to turn the page on torture. But Americans should not turn the page until they know what is written on it."





74 Comments so far
Show AllIt is good to see Bill Moyers involved in this controversy.
THE LAW IS THE LAW!
and no one is above the law.
Shhhhh! Don't tell that to Cheney!
Unless your victim is Muslim. Americans feel safer each time they hear that we are killing Muslims, as dictated by their education through media control.
NEVER going to happen...sorry...ethics at the periphery never touch the rotten soul...never. America LIKES torture...it's a perfect match for their core values...and THAT is the real argument here. Pictures and the sounds of screams from the Torture and the Rape of men, women, and children grows White America a chubby...welcome to the 12th century, Xrstian...
And so .... how is it that we are different from the Nazis?
We speak English, you idiot!
That is ironically funny -- and I needed the laugh as I just watched the documentary at http://www.torturingdemocracy.org
Peace hugs,
Kate Anne
We have been doing it alot longer.
George Markley: That is some funny stuff.
Also, the nazis pparently did not alleviate their victims' suffering by making sweet love to them and capturing the happy orgies on camera.
The American twist. I'm waiting for the reality show on TV.
Bring America Back !!!!..........once again the Bill Moyers Journal straddles up with Mainstream Media, and distracts us with yet another 'Torture' venture==and a paid column too ?
**One sentence in the article does say beginning with 9/11,
then fades away into the party line fog of Neocon heaven.
**Bush Neocon World knew their fabricated boogieman, bin Laden, would not hold the 9/11 blame forever (FBI states no connection or evidence whatsoever of bin Laden to 9/11).
They therefore needed more Patsies to cover the real Truth of that day of infamy.
**The very obvious answer in the intelligence companies was Torture.....the proven method of having fall guys take the blame of almost anything, coverups for the real Terrorists, the Homegrown Variety==who were the occupants of Building Number 7, NYC World Trade Center up until that Day ! They needed Patsies.
**As Jack Nicholson said so well in his Role, 'THE TRUTH, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH." Moyers, Winship and Staff keep doing us the dis-service of verbosely touting the illegality, albeit sexiness, of Torture.
**Enough already, we know you are passing off the King Bush fantasy that a cave-dwelling dragonman and 19 airline pilot flunkouts pulled off the technical genius of 9/11. We know that ! We know you do not wish to face the real Truth of 9/11, any more than the current Saviour in Office.
**Obama's current Crusades into Tora Bora are also being justified by the same 'ol Spectres of Fear, that never were.
Patsies: the Anthrax Patsies; the abu Gharib Patsies; the Gitmo Patsies; and torture is the means, not the End!
Maybe bin laden did not mastermind the 9/11 attack.
Maybe the government does not know or does not want to investigate because it involves lots of Intel agencies who had knowledge and a couple of them where paying Atta.
The truth may never be known just like who all shot JFK.
Ben laden is like Oswald now... dead, and the best patsy the USA can find.
But the Demolition Theory is phony and a distraction from all the real Intrigue of the masters of war.
If Bush planned it (He is way too stupid anyway) why would he order the White House to be hit when all that would have been needed was one building to be hit?
But two towers and the Pentagon, if planned, would have to be known by thousands of insiders and the government can't keep something that big a secret with not one whistle blower with inside knowledge of all the work and money spent on a operation that would never work because of the endless complexity and loose lips are a very human trait.
I want a real investigation also, but when you claim you know the truth already, without proof, who is going to give you one?
'DEMOLITION THEORY' debunking has long ago been debunked. There's scads of evidence, eyewitness, circumstantial and actual evidence of a controlled demolition. Go to 9-11 blogger, Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, as well as other related sites for more info. Be sure to look up the studies for chemical signatures indicating the use of nano-thermite in the demolitions (investigative group of Dr. Steven Jones, Neils Harrit (?) and others). Why do you insist that the operation would have to be known by "thousands of insiders". As far as keeping secrets, one large project, the Manhattan Project, was kept secret for many years.
That was a "Good WAR" too with not much opposition. Russia knew more about it than you think and were working on their own bomb like Germany was but that was just one open secret.
Most secrets are known but the government just acts like if they keep it officially as a secret nobody can do anything.
I don't think many would think it patriotic to do 9/11 for the Bush Gang without getting the real big story out.
It has been 8 years now.
Real demolition experts tell of how involved a demolition of just one building is ... the Truthers think it is a piece of cake but no proof.
So now the debunkers will debunk the debunkers who debunked and so on and on.
I read that Jones' peer review was paid for.
More on thermite here:
http://www.debunking
911.com/jones.htm#
Iron%20Spheres
Jim,
If you do have a genuine interest ...
Research the litany of ongoing investigations by the office of naval intelligence into various military intelligence scandals and corporate fraud... They were the only military organization to move back into the recently remodelled wing of the pentagon... 39 of the 40 ONI officers and lawyers were killed that day on 9-11, and destroyed the evidence, Thus ending their cases...
All of the ten year certificates of securities taken out to bankroll the destabilization of the ruble and buy up privatized soviet industries for pennies in 1991 were to come due on sept 12th 2001... And the banksters who used the Japanese WWII gold to bankrupt Russia had no intention of returning the fort Knox collateral that was used to bring down the "evil empire"... They needed it to leverage and hedge their bets for all the dirivatives scams & hedge fund schemes to set up the sub-crime loan shark feeding frenzy... All of the evidence of the thousands of ongoing investigations into corporate fraud, insurance fraud, and the banksters that run them were in the basement and In the FBI offices of the WTC...
9-11 was not just about creating a false flag attack to justify resource wars in eurasia, but also a convenient way to destroy incriminating evidence that was going to come to light... Showing the network between blueblood banksters, old world mobsters, and post war intelligence apparati..
GM, I've heard the theory but I've never heard it put quite so succinctly as you have just done. I think I'm gonna hurl.
on sept 10 '01 donald rumsfeld announces the pentagon is missing trillions of bucks.
guess where the bookkeepping offices were.
rumsfield the whistle blower. What would we know without him?
GoldenMean,
Yes, I have read about those investigations from writers who support the pre-wired Demolition Theory.
But You said "was going to come to light". Sounds like you are saying that Bush who controlled all these intel agencies was about to release all this secret info.
Not on this planet.
I am sure that the CIA, FBI, Navy, Coast Guard, and the others have lots secret evidence about lots of things but the Prez controls what is released. It is called Cherry Picking and it is the way it always works.
And I don't think that any major evidence about anything is not duplicated on other government systems and Intel networks. This is a security method called redundancy and is routinely done in case of documents being destroyed. But this does not mean anyone will ever see the secret stuff. The people never do.
They don't have to blow-up their own buildings, workers, officers and officials to prevent the release of secret documents.
It is my observation that every claim made by the 9/11 Truth Movement has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. The Truthers respond to this phenomenon by ignoring it.
Here are my three favorite 9/11 debunking sites. They will cure a normal person in just a few minutes:
http://www.911myths.com/
http://www.debunking911.com/
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home
Sioux Rose
TRUTH: You definitely take accurate aim at a number of bona fide targets. So scary, but too true.
I'm not watching "Torturing Democracy"!
Instead, I'm watching the new hit teevee sitcom, "Moving Forward".
It's exactly like "The Cosby Show", except that the Dad isn't a successful doctor, he's the President of the United States!
Watch and delight each week, while "Prez"-- as he's hilariously referred to by his family-- uses his double-jointed, multi-forked tongue to talk his way past knee-slapping laughs and predicaments.
(Actually, whether "Knee-slapping" constitutes torture is one of the plot devices!)
It's WAY more infotaining than some downer about torture. Remember: in Amerika what matters is the RATINGS-- that's what brings in the dollars, dontcha know.
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Sioux Rose
O.S: You could write the promo for just about anything. You're quite the juggler with words, nice satire.
Very little discussion concerning the mission and behavior of the CIA and its and how it effects the world's view of America and the reactions to it. The CIA was created to circumvent our laws and international law. It was built and has been justified by the premise that we must act extralegally to protect America. That premise is phony. We should abolish the CIA operations and use it for intelligence. Take away the toy that Presidents have played with for six decades. It corrupts them. Just take a look at the fiascos the CIA has perpetrated and reject the claims, offered without proof, that the CIA somehow make us more secure.
Herman Schmidt
The CIA is above the law, and the last person who attempted to remove them was conveniently assassinated in broad daylight driving through Dealey Plaza.
I just watched 'Torturing Democracy'. I am ashamed to be American.
Shame is an appropriate response in this case.
My wife and I watched Moyers last night and just stared at each other when it was done. What can be said? We could only feel the depth of our despair and no words were necessary.
Those who defend torture just don't get it. They just don't get it. Sad to be them, really. They are such sad and amoral creatures.
I used to work as a police officer and later a mercenary and I know that all this torture bs is being exagerrated. We don't like to do it but we got to cut down on terrorists and other trouble makers so that's our job. Being nice to criminals only makes more of them.
Here's the core issue. How do you determine who deserves to be tortured? You are short circuiting the entire legal process of a fair trail, based on evidence legally collected, for the accused. Thats the problem. In addition, the US is engaged in at least three overt wars, all illegal by US law (all violate the UN charter). That's also the problem. The US feels that it has the right to rule the world, that's also the problem.
Sioux Rose
PREZNIT: Nice case. It presumes you can break through the armor that makes for an authoritarian mindset in one whose reflex is a distorted kind of patriotism. One in which America and its leader(s), whatever smoke and mirrors surround their elections, are to be obeyed, regardless of the indications of established law, or basic decency and morality. There are too many true believers with minds too-long calcified around false contentions of right and wrong, good guys and bad guys based on an oversimplified (hello movie plots!) version of winners and losers; and it's unlikely that the Light of Truth will pierce through their walled-off mental facades. If you have the time, you can keep trying.
It's not a matter of determining who "deserves" to be tortured. As we've seen so far, any victim will do. Just knowing that the next torture victim could be you, serves the purpose as a terror tactic. I think the extra efforts of the Bush regime to make it "legal" was to establish a precedent for public conditioning and to widen it's use not only overseas, but in the "Homeland" as well.
I don't believe anybody 'deserves' to be tortured. The idea that there are good people and evil people is as republican/conservative an idea as any I have ever heard. People aren't divided that way. And we certainly don't have the right to judge whom is whom.
Sioux Rose
MISTER CHIPS: I totally agree with you, and I'd take it a step further, that all the new military movies and the TV series "24" also condition the public to accept greater and greater levels of violence. It's all beyond sickening to me. It's astounding what's underway and the vast majority see it all as "just" someone else's problem, probably someone who deserves "it." Trust in authorities NOW given the evidence of malfeasance in the form of a case FIXED on false pretenses FOR war, is beyond the pale. I wonder sometimes if the massive doses of anti-depressants being passed out, the soporific drug of TV and the Roman arena of sports taken together (with ample doses of beer) are what's ultimately keeping the citizeny quiet and manageable.
Sometimes, not always, but sometimes, what goes around comes around. If you have participated in torture as your post implies, you shouldn't sleep easily at night.
Is that why the jails in the USA are full of criminals? You have the highest rate of incarceration in the world yet have a higher crime rate then most of what is called the "First World nations".
Your tough on criminals does not seem to be working very well does it?
Or is it that this torture and tough on crimnals approach is just targeting the innoccent?
you are an unashamed apologist for murder.
WOW!! are you SPIDERMAN?
It is hard to believe that NO ONE seems to consider the REASON WHY Rumsfeld and Bush kept insisting that the "detainees" were NOT POWs... and not protected under the rules of the Geneva Conventions.
They KNEW that this sort of treatment would get out eventually, and they wanted PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY.
From the very beginning, they wanted to use unconventional means to get at whatever information the "detainees" had.
By playing with labels, they thought they could get away with that.
The reality is, THEY CAN'T.
Anyone who has ever gone through officer training school is extensively drilled in the law:
"Joint Forces Regulation for the Treatment of Enemy Prisoners of War, Retained Personnel, Civilian Internees and Other Detainees".
This document is an official Department of Defense regulatory guideline, which has the force of law in all services of the U.S. Military. It is also based on the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, (commonly known as the GPW), which, because the U.S. Congress ratified it, has the force of law.
Anyone can read the law and it's very clear guidelines and see that it applies to ANYONE IN CUSTODY of our military... and it also applies to all civilians involved in their incarceration.
The ONLY WAY the military would let these guidelines be broken is by orders from the TOP... as it was, even the JAG lawyers were alarmed by the abuse of the law!
At the moment, at least one low-level ex-soldier is doing time, yet the law clearly says the people at the TOP are the ones responsible to keep torture from happening.
"It is hard to believe that NO ONE seems to consider the REASON WHY Rumsfeld and Bush kept insisting that the 'detainees' were NOT POWs"
there was no reason to wonder - it was bloody obvious.
as soon as bush pulled out of the ICC and started wangling war-crime immunity treaties with other nations it became clear that some nasty shit was about to occur.
Speaking of lame comedies, it's a thrill to have "Encino Man" commenting here.
But he seemed so much SMARTER in the movie!
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No doubt.
i'm guessing that the only thing he is going to accomplish is getting the progressives on this site all riled up... and THAT is probably his only point in posting here.
I've never gotten caught up in the perennial blog comments accusations and counter-accusations of whether certain commenters are paid trolls or merely gifted amateur trolls who are exactly as stupid and mean-spirited as they seem.
But Encino Man is not the first writer to crawl through the CD threads this week like a rabid ape beating its chest and snarling guttural troofs presenting life as a Darwinian behavioral sink in which the ends justify the means, and the "end" is Taking Care of Number One.
Which, despite its emphatic self-righteousness, amounts to hurling Number Two, as rabid apes will.
(My scrolling finger is the only part of me that's BUFF!)
· Yr Obd't Servant
LOL... awesome... I don't think his type could be explained any better than how you just put it!
Encino Man visually reminds me of what a Troll looks like in the movie...
EncinoM:
"We don't like to do it but we got to cut down on terrorists and other trouble makers so that's our job. Being nice to criminals only makes more of them."
Heinrich Himmler would stand by your words. It would be pointless to argue against such authoritarian drivel. And there are plenty of your fellow Reich Wingers who would certainly "like to do it".
You must be a very happy Amerikaner. Democracy is dead in this country. Obama is a good company man. The US government continues to be primarily an engine of empire and tool of Big Money.
Peace.
I see Obama as an Accessory after the Fact
http://www.gpln.com/accessory.htm
The problem of aiding, abetting, or merely tolerating torture is not something that we simply can lay on the hands of Bush, Cheney, the CIA, etc. There has been a struggle in the professional field of psychology, with many psychologists struggling to get the American Psychological Association to take a clear stand that its members should not participate in torture. It took a major uprising and an Association-wide referendum to pass such a statement (and the APA holds itself publicly as the font of professional ethics for psychologists). In one psychology department in a major university of which I am aware, when a motion for the department to make an official statement against psychologists participating in torture was made, a majority of department members would vote for such a motion only when it was stripped of all reference to the real practice of torture. "we must separate our teaching of ethical practices from politics" said some members. These people, self avowed liberals, were afraid that there could be a cost to be paid when department members sought government research grants, or when a conservative politician might demand that state funds be withheld from the department. NIMBY: we are against torture except when our opposition might have a cost for us. Like good liberals, we are against evil things so long as others pay the cost for our opposition. If our ethics might cost us something, bury the ethics. Good ends when good men fear to do good. Evil commences when good men fear to do good.
Sioux Rose
LOOPLESS: Well-said. The profound irony is that as Gracie Slick once sang, as per our money and wages (thanks to the new infusion of a trillion fresh greenbacks direct into the existing supply) they "don't mean shit to a tree."
All my life I've been ahead of trends, the curve, as they say. I decided to get all the things I might need for the next few years (apart from food, although I am working on growing some) now while the dollar still means something. I don't have too much faith in our currency given the decisions made to bailout banks that have so over-inflated their assets, thanks to the casino instrument known as "derivatives," as to have poured good money after bad right into a virtual black hole... so far the con is still holding everything together, but as astute persons in this forum have pointed out, America has forfeited a huge part of its manufacturing base, and giant firms manage too much of our agriculture along with those horrific "industrial" farms. Investments in infrastructure, education, health care--the items that build up a nation from its key resource, its people, have been willfully neglected to instead feed the beasts of Mammon (the banking caste) and Mars (the MIC and its Hydra-headed tentacles). So the shrinks selling out on decency are being delivered a profoundly defrauded piece of change as trade for their moral pains, or lack of same.
From the article; "No wonder so many Americans clamor for a truth commission that will get the facts and put them on the record, just as Torturing Democracy has done. Then we can judge for ourselves."
Using the word “truth” when trying to uncover the doings of the Bush administration assumes that the truth can be discovered, something in which I have grave doubts can be achieved. Remember that the Bushies have done everything possible to conceal the truth, millions of e-mails have been disappeared, the hard drives of their computers have been ground up into dust, millions more documents have been improperly classified top secret, and the paper shredders in the executive branch worked 24/7/365 during the Bush administration.
Beyond that, the loyal Bushies that were improperly appointed to positions that should have been staffed on merit instead of political affiliation are in place to subvert investigations into the wrong-doings of the Bush administration.
Those in the chain of command that relayed illegal orders have a self interest that the truth does not come out. Those who have knowledge of illegal offenses but are not guilty of offenses will also be reluctant to speak out because it’s highly doubtful that all of the many, many in the chain of command who gave illegal orders will be purged from power so it’s highly likely that those who do speak out will face retribution. (A policy that was practiced with vengeance during the Bush administration, Valerie Plame, Bunny Greenhouse and Paul O’Neil headline a much longer list of lesser known whistleblowers to feel the wrath of BushCo.)
Finally if there is one thing that liars are good at it’s calling those who would disclose their lies liars. With little or no hard evidence (because it has been destroyed) the Bushies will simply call those who testify against them liars and the MSM media will give the voice of the Bushies equal or more time than those making the case against them. As to the political outcome of a Truth Commission, a draw is the best the left can expect.