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America the Tarnished
Ten years ago the cover of Time magazine featured Robert Rubin, then Treasury secretary, Alan Greenspan, then chairman of the Federal Reserve, and Lawrence Summers, then deputy Treasury secretary. Time dubbed the three "the committee to save the world," crediting them with leading the global financial system through a crisis that seemed terrifying at the time, although it was a small blip compared with what we're going through now.
All the men on that cover were Americans, but nobody considered that odd. After all, in 1999 the United States was the unquestioned leader of the global crisis response. That leadership role was only partly based on American wealth; it also, to an important degree, reflected America's stature as a role model. The United States, everyone thought, was the country that knew how to do finance right.
How times have changed.
Never mind the fact that two members of the committee have since succumbed to the magazine cover curse, the plunge in reputation that so often follows lionization in the media. (Mr. Summers, now the head of the National Economic Council, is still going strong.) Far more important is the extent to which our claims of financial soundness - claims often invoked as we lectured other countries on the need to change their ways - have proved hollow.
Indeed, these days America is looking like the Bernie Madoff of economies: for many years it was held in respect, even awe, but it turns out to have been a fraud all along.
It's painful now to read a lecture that Mr. Summers gave in early 2000, as the economic crisis of the 1990s was winding down. Discussing the causes of that crisis, Mr. Summers pointed to things that the crisis countries lacked - and that, by implication, the United States had. These things included "well-capitalized and supervised banks" and reliable, transparent corporate accounting. Oh well.
One of the analysts Mr. Summers cited in that lecture, by the way, was the economist Simon Johnson. In an article in the current issue of The Atlantic, Mr. Johnson, who served as the chief economist at the I.M.F. and is now a professor at M.I.T., declares that America's current difficulties are "shockingly reminiscent" of crises in places like Russia and Argentina - including the key role played by crony capitalists.
In America as in the third world, he writes, "elite business interests - financiers, in the case of the U.S. - played a central role in creating the crisis, making ever-larger gambles, with the implicit backing of the government, until the inevitable collapse. More alarming, they are now using their influence to prevent precisely the sorts of reforms that are needed, and fast, to pull the economy out of its nosedive."
It's no wonder, then, that an article in yesterday's Times about the response President Obama will receive in Europe was titled "English-Speaking Capitalism on Trial."
Now, in fairness we have to say that the United States was far from being the only nation in which banks ran wild. Many European leaders are still in denial about the continent's economic and financial troubles, which arguably run as deep as our own - although their nations' much stronger social safety nets mean that we're likely to experience far more human suffering. Still, it's a fact that the crisis has cost America much of its credibility, and with it much of its ability to lead.
And that's a very bad thing.
Like many other economists, I've been revisiting the Great Depression, looking for lessons that might help us avoid a repeat performance. And one thing that stands out from the history of the early 1930s is the extent to which the world's response to crisis was crippled by the inability of the world's major economies to cooperate.
The details of our current crisis are very different, but the need for cooperation is no less. President Obama got it exactly right last week when he declared: "All of us are going to have to take steps in order to lift the economy. We don't want a situation in which some countries are making extraordinary efforts and other countries aren't."
Yet that is exactly the situation we're in. I don't believe that even America's economic efforts are adequate, but they're far more than most other wealthy countries have been willing to undertake. And by rights this week's G-20 summit ought to be an occasion for Mr. Obama to chide and chivy European leaders, in particular, into pulling their weight.
But these days foreign leaders are in no mood to be lectured by American officials, even when - as in this case - the Americans are right.
The financial crisis has had many costs. And one of those costs is the damage to America's reputation, an asset we've lost just when we, and the world, need it most.- Posted in




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Show AllIt is understandable America wants the other industrialised nations to "pull their weight" regarding stimulus packages however Obama has to understand the social safety nets of these countries are far stronger than that of the U.S., and always have been. Because of this fact, the need for stimulus funding is less than what the U.S. requires. This does not mean these other nations shouldn't increase their spending - most are, it just means they are already ahead of the curve.
Also, consider that the US has historically been able to borrow boatloads of low interest money to finance wars, corporate welfare, stimulus packages, etc. Other nations do not have that luxury.
Also, due to its prioritization of military and corporate welfare spending, the US also has a larger backlog of deferred infrastructure construction and maintenance projects than the rest of the industrialized world.
I don't give a damn about our reputation. I want justice done. I am so glad for what Spain did (announcing the '6'), let's see that list lengthen considerably and let's see them hang.
Right on, Nedlud. The best thing America could do to at least partially restore its credibility would be to prosecute the stinking Bush and his lousy neocon conies. This would send a message to the world that hey, we're going to restore the rule of law in BOTH the political and economic arenas. Let's clean up the mess and move forward.
Right on, Markymark! It is ESSENTIAL that this happen.
Lawrence Summers attended a meeting of the Bilderberg Club along with Timothy Geithner, Ben Bernanke, and Henry Paulson as the economic crisis was unraveling.
No Mainstream Media person has ever questioned what this Bilderberg Club is...Bill Clinton admitted that he had attended "It was just a bunch of European businessmen." Yet, he was chosen to be nominated and then elected President of the United States after that meeting. Tony Blair attended before he was chosen to be Prime Minister.....Listen to Alex Jones talk about them.
No, Obama has chosen Wall Street to cure and watch after Wall Street.....You don't see a: Krugman, Stiglitz, or a Williamson ......You only see Wall Streeters protecting Wall Street...
Remember, when you are "Evil", human life has no meaning.
During the Democratic primary I voted for Obama to keep Wall Street's Den Mother (Hillary)from being nominated. Obama turned out to be Wall Street's Scoutmaster...sad.
You are not fit to lick Hillary Clinton's boots. Nor Obama's, for that matter.
And it would take a boot licker to know this wouldn't it?
Do you find that your constant and unrestrained anger wins you many converts? Or do you note that, upon entering a room, conversations tend to stop...?
Yes, but Alex Jones isn't held to much of a standard of journalistic integrity. I listened to a discussion between him and Noam Chomsky and Jones stated that there were more gun deaths in the UK than in the US in recent years (maybe per capita, but I don't recall). He was trying to assert that banning guns makes it so only criminals have guns and thus you get more murders since no one has a gun to protect themselves. All Chomsky could say was that he didn't believe the statistic.
Anyway, just the fact that Alex Jones talks about Bilderberg meetings makes me want to believe it is all bullshit.
Obama recites rhetoric--but it is what he does or doesn't do that matters.
He cozies up to and defends Wall Street, puts on mock outrage over their excesses and then claims his hands are tied. Then he announces it must be a shared suffering and demands Union concessions, breaking legal contracts as if they were nothing. For appearances he puts up an act rejecting the auto industry bailouts while our money that could be used for the common good go rushing into his favored financial coffers. Who does he think he is kidding?
He makes me sick because he offered himself up an the agent of change in contrast to Bush, when ultimately he just continues pandering to Bush's base. With Bush it was anticipated at least, Obama squanders and disappoints.
The thing with financial recession/depressions, like the rise of fascism, is it is never the same, it is never identical--each one must be dealt with individually. Fighting the Depression of the thirties, while not ignoring the similarities, must recognize different factors-offshoring, global financing--not just saving the banks. That's all Obama seems overly concerned with--the rest is window dressing.
Sioux Rose
VERN: Have you read "The Shock Doctrine?" Obama's role reminds me of that of Nelson Mandella or Lech Walesa, or the leader of any nation seeking to create policies of benefit to its citizenry when such efforts are completely hijacked by the devotees of the Chicago School of Economics. Likely reincarnated from past ages of nobels and serfs or slaves and pharaohs, these types still think wealth belongs at the top of the pyramid with all humanity groveling for crumbs for its daily bread. A disgusting sort of sick individual, today's economic climate is like rotting yeast upon which all these moral bacteria get to richly feed. Still, when "bacteria" take over, woe to the host!
Very good, Sioux Rose. Mandela and Walesa were very good leaders, but they wound up handing their people over to the neo-liberals. Obama appears to be the same way, in spades.
Sioux Rose
GREEN DRAGON: I have to say I never read the background information that forced the hand of these well-intentioned leaders until Naomi Klein exposed it all. They played the same game on Gorbachev. Powerful "free world" leaders who seem to support the democratic developments in other nations step in to force all these "liberalization" programs that enslave workers and allow fortunes to amass to a few. The quality of life is reduced for the many to enrich the "small circle of friends" to the Chicago Business School and its advocates. This economic model is to the health of nations what cancer is to the health of the human body. It is absolutely diabolical, and that it's been invited into high places to corrupt so many regions and thus far not been called to task probably explains why the chickens have come home to roost and now OUR (U.S.) money won't mean shit to a tree. (Thank you Gracie Slick, for that metaphor.) Social programs will be cut because the population has tolerated its treasure wasted on war and is so used to this "operational procedure" that it may believe the liars-in-chief when told there is simply NO money for the things government has been tasked to do, having as it does, access to our taxes.
With the growth of material wealth the class of money-capitalists grows; on the one hand, the number and the wealth of retiring capitalists, rentiers, increases; and on the other hand, the development of the credit system is promoted, thereby increasing the number of bankers, money-lenders, financiers, etc. With the development of the available money-capital, the quantity of interest-bearing paper, government securities, stocks, etc., also grows. . . . However, at the same time the demand for available money-capital also grows, the jobbers, who speculate with this paper, playing a prominent role on the money-market . . . . With the development of the credit system; great concentrated money markets are created, such as London, which are at the same time the main seats of trade in this paper. The bankers place huge quantities of the public’s money-capital at the disposal of this unsavoury crowd of dealers, and thus this brood of gamblers multiplies.
Karl Marx, Capital Vol. III, Part V, Chapter 32, Money-Capital and Real Capital. III.
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What Is Marxism? - a short primer on a subject the working class needs to know.
http://www.marxist.com/Theory/what_is_marxism.html
Reading this it appears that the dominant capitalists have forgotten the objections of a competing economic theory and have committed the same follies.
Regardless, both corporate capitalism and communism ultimately suffer from the same problem - they both lead to plutocracies or oligarchies.
It is time to look at hybrid systems, where multiple models can co-exist.
It's time to look at participatory economics.
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Eric Patton
Cincinnati, OH
ebpatton@yahoo.com
It was unfortunate for the human race that the US ever was put in a position of international leadership. The US, at best, was a country of con artists and salespersons trying to make a buck by fooling the gullible sheep, the last immigrants off the boat or the rubes who came in on the turnip truck, and of ruthless, reckless cost-externalizing exploiters of the natural environment. Personally, I have never found much use for the American "freedom" jargon that was meant to explain uniquely American perspectives and policies, as I believe it to be mostly the product of an underdeveloped and crude social philosophy that best-suited pioneers and others in a resource rich land with low population. It is a poor fit for a developed economy or a social environment with high density population and a highly interactive economy. So when the US government began to use that primitive and completely inadequate philosophy and rhetoric as a basis for governing the world, the only possible result was the creation of a cynical and ruthless corporate class that would ignore all risks in an attempt to exploit the world without limit. And the entire world is now experiencing the natural fruits of those efforts.
Leadership is a vaccuum - it fills itself. The human civilization ought to get away from models that require "leadership" and instead focus on achievable transformative values.
I like the nice contrast supplied by American...best-suited pioneers and others in a resource rich land with low population. vs. It is a poor fit for a developed economy or a social environment with high density population and a highly interactive economy.
Sioux Rose
KIVALS: One of your best postings/assessments yet. The only thing I'd like to add is that America, as an entity, is not yet a concluded statement. In an essay published July 4 a few years ago written by James Carroll of the Boston Globe, he eloquently related the difference between America's ideals, those positive attributes the nation strives for, against the grain/heritage of its actual record. What he didn't realize was the degree to which his analysis fit the astrological blueprint of America as a Cancer sun sign/July 4 nation (power built upon family traditions, and families possessed of generations of passed down wealth and power) with its moon in humanitarian, visionary, inventive Aquarius. There is enormous tension between these signs and the principles they animate. America is still an experiment in progress, with the word progress temporarily inverted mirroring the manner by which ocean waves roll backwards under themselves in order to acquire new forward momentum. (Of course this experiment could have an expiration date if America insists on using its overwheming military to stir up nuclear responses in highly unstable nations like Pakistan.)
A gem, this post! Totally on the money!
Totally agree!
Agreed.
Man, talk about getting to the meat in so few words. Excellent.
Good One!
I believe it was WW2 that caused this. US suffered tremendous losses of course, and US soldiers DO deserve our praise. But compared to other countries, the US got off easy, and basically remained in tact while the other European countries were literally decimated. It's like all the good players on the team got the flu, so the bench warmer finally got a chance to play and be the hero.
Of the WWII Allied and Axis Powers, the US and Canada were the only members left standing in 1945, primarily due to their geographic expanse and isolation from the other powers. The US obtained global supremecy by default and, the combined vast untapped natural resources of the US and Canada gave it a great advantage in holding on to that supremecy for a half century.
So very true!
It's high time Amerikkka no longer leads.
"America the Tarnished"-----Mr. Krugman must be visiting from another planet, America began with "tarnish"----has never even considered the need to "polish", and now the "tarnish" has become "RUST"----and the world knows it.
America, you may have time to make some very serious changes. Always remember that human kind loves a "reformed offender" more than anything else, because the "reformed offender" is a living example of "change and improvement"---and hope for the future.
But you are most likely to arrogant to consider "reforming"----
and the clock ticks --------- and the world cannot possibly tolerate you much longer; a dangerous rogue nation, untrustworthy, you lie cheat and never keep your promises---then go to extremes of "galactic proportions" to justify your behavior, and now-----"you've become to expensive"---------------
Tick tock, tick tock.
I would wish you "good luck", but you most likley have run out of even that.
"But these days foreign leaders are in no mood to be lectured by American officials, even when - as in this case - the Americans are right."
Giving all our tax money to the crooks who caused the problem is "right"? Keep dreaming, Mr. Krugman.
The United States today, nearly all of it, certainly both so-called political parties, are like the character Alec Baldwin played in the film version of "Glen Garry Glen Ross" who asks the assembled, underperforming and frightened salesmen before him, "You know what it takes to sell real estate?" He then pulls a pair of brass balls out of his attache case. He shows them his Rolex watch. "This costs more than any of you assholes made all last year." Baldwin represents the Republican party and today's finance industry pirates and the cowed and frightened salesmen are the Democrats. Barack Obama is Alan Arkin and thinks he's Al Pacino. Timothy Geithner is Ed Harris plotting to steal the Glen Garry leads and solve all his problems. And we expect this motley crew of cowards and corrupt assholes to save us from financial extinction? We don't even win the steak knives. We get fired.
One should note, however, no doubt in keeping with his illustrious status as a economic columnist for the nation's "paper of record" ( "if its not in the Times its not news'!), Paul makes no specific mention of the reforms he envisions. Transaction fees? Income-like capital gains taxes? Controls on "bundled" derivatives and default swaps? How about recounting recent remarks by the head of the Central Bank of Europe and the Finance Minister of the Republic of China regarding the future liquidity of U.S. Treasury bonds in the absence of transparency and regulation of "shadow banks". How about huge and perfectly legal deposits of black-market revenues in Citcorp , Bank-of-America and all the rest? How about the myriad of tax dodges and shelters which have sustained our "treasured" financial institutions for the last twenty years?
How about suggesting that if a so-called assset has absolutely zero value on the market without massive tax-payer funded underwriting, its a sham and a lie to even call it "toxic". Putting the adjectival modifier "toxic" in front of the term "asset" does not, in and of itself, actually breath any real-time, real-economy life into it.
Paul, your excursions into LA-La land are becoming exceedingly tiresome.
Sioux Rose
JOHN: Thank you for your incisive honesty. The real alchemy is the language that masks the toxicity of these "products."
The parallels with the same game plan Naomi Klein exposes in "The Shock Doctrine" create motive and opportunity sufficient for skilled prosecutors to use if there was any genuine interest in holding those guilty to standards of culpability. Unfortunately the opposite lesson is being learned and applied adroitly: that not only does crime pay, when crime is done on an order of this magnitude it pays substantially!
Sioux, such people do not think they are criminals. Rather, they believe they are the entitled masters, and a master is never wrong. "Economic cycles happen" cries grandmaster Greenspan and the others nod their heads in polite agreement and continue the process of exploiting people.
Sioux Rose
TS: Their egos might fall to the mantra of "no wrong doing" when they look in the mirror, but their souls are fully aware of the carnage they wreak upon others' lives. There is no karmic free pass. They will pay for the usurpation of the public's trust and purse.
I want them to pay NOW! :)
Sioux Rose
SLIM: Patience is a virtue better cultivated in the East than in the "instant gratification" cultures of the West, led by the US of "I want it now!" A. Life doesn't always deliver on our preferred time lines.
Paul has spoken out against many of the issues you raise. "Bundled" as you describe it, is the basis for securitization, and he posted an article calling the model a failure just last week.
Although Krugman will never read this, the current economic crisis and the Geithner "solution" are endemic. Adam Smith is at "fault," but unitentionally. Smith defined value as exchange, without constraint on what is exchanged. Abstractions engendering fewer "external costs" than tangibles, value increases faster exchanging abstractions than tangibles. Investment houses dealing in abstractions, and manufacturers dealing in tangibles, investment houses generate value far more rapidly than manufacturers. Additionally, entropy limiting tangibles, and not limiting abstractions, abstraction exchange value grows at an increasing rate while, as environmental economists argue, tangible exchange value grows at a decreasing rate. Economists attempt to escape this latter with the "substitution effect," assuming an equally satisfying substitute exists for any exhausted resource. However, resolving this assumption, undeniably abstractions do not suffer entropy. As a result, they most make possible economic "growth." All but psychologically useless, however, they reveal the emptiness of the very concept of economic "growth."
If THINK what you are trying to say is that in the classic economic model the resources upon which production depends are not infinite. For example, the slag from a coal mine does not simply disappear into thin air. It falls off the miountain, piles up and creates a toxic mess the clean-up of which is not accounted for in the marketing of the coke. Thus, it's not simply that under Capitalism (so-called "free" markets) Bubbles ocasionally arise and then fall back into place in some sort of painful yet ultimately tolerable cycle- as long as certain necessarily limited "regulations' are held in place naturally-but that Capitalism itself- the model of cconstant expansion of the GDP- is itself a bubble, though something that might be tolerated in certain limited sectors of a well-managed, socially-responsible and modestly sustainable national or perhaps even global economy (who knows?)
I mean this is what it has come to; instead of frankly stating the facts, we dodge and weave and entangle ourselves in impossibly absurd obscurities. Why? Afraid Fox News might get wind of your real sympathies?
We should all be getting a pretty good idea of what Wall Street, Congress, the Secretary of the Treasury, The Fed and jerks like Krugman mean by recovery... and it ain't regular employment at a living wage freed from the anxieties of old age and disease or the overwhelming inadequacy and expense of educating our children or not having to send them more than half-way around the world in cruel games of political unreason or usurpation of another's sovereignty. NO sir. What they mean is the return of another bubble economy where a bunch of fat-ass harvard MBA's pile up massive fortunes buying and selling empty securities using leveraged debt ratio's of 400 to 1 and depositing their profits in tax-sheltered off-shore, Swiss and London bank accounts. Yea, get the credit flowing again!
No, really, our situation today isn't at all like a movie.
Do you think the President's staff read any of this stuff? If they do, will it do any good?
It's G-20 time and I'm afraid we're in for a long night. Krugman says the world needs to work together on the economic meltdown even though the US still believes it's the only country that exists. Good luck, US! And now comes the news that capitalism is the latest God that failed. Once the economy gets on a even keel (if it ever does), the malefactors of great wealth will deregulate whatever Obama's /Geithner's regulations achieve. (never trust Geithner, he lies like a rug on things like past taxes and bonuses!)
How easy is it for the big timers on Wall Street to take your hard earned money? Let us count the ways. The biggest scam ever was the subprime mortgage business (1). Credit was so easy (2) that anyone with a pulse (3) was given a junk mortgage, these, in turn, were shoveled through the doors of the banks and insurers like AIG (4). Next, our best and brightest bankers prevailed (5) upon the rating agencies to label the junk as AAA securities. These “troubled assets” were then sliced and diced, securitized , leveraged 30x and sold around the world as if they were gold (6). The business was such a money machine that it was impossible to say no to it. When the housing bubble burst, people lost their life savings, and countries went down. (Take particular notice of the "securitization" part. This is the way they turn junk into gold. They can do this any day of the week, including Sundays: beware when Madoff or Summers knocks on your door!)
Capitalism has finally developed its own economic weapons of mass destruction: cdo's, quants, credit default swaps, securitization, mega-million dollar salaries. Combine this with the usual greed, fraud and avarice and you have a killer system. Except it will kill itself.
Sioux Rose
DR WU: Exactly! And well-said!
All empires die! And it's our bad luck and an accident of history that we are all here to watch it start to go. Good riddance to the empire but will most future Americans be able to adjust to being a second world nation? Probably not. So they'll sit and grumble and chew their livers out, just like us, but won't have as many toys to amuse their boredom and keep the demons away.
Your only reasonable points are plagiarized, the rest is simply confused.
What a bad article, replete with bad assumptions.
Shame on you Prof. Krugman for still singing the hackneyed song of the United States as leader, and as correct in matters of economic policy!
And you are doing that, Prof. Krugman, while standing on the deck of the sinking Titanic.
You get the gold medal for willful, "proactive" (don'tcha love that stupid word?), actionable self-deception.
You don't get it. Krugman has correctly analysed and predicted what's happening for years. Go back to reading your comic books. (Find somewhere else to practise your 'vocabulary' words like: replete, hackneyed, proactive...)
'Actionable'....LOL. What a pretentious dweeb you are.
"Your honor, the people of the State of West Whatamoron charge the defendant..."
Well, GetReal, I'll have to forgive your sarcasm b/c you do make me LOL. And today I really needed that, so thanks.