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The Death and Life of Great American Newspapers
Communities across America are suffering through a crisis that could leave a dramatically diminished version of democracy in its wake. It is not the economic meltdown, although the crisis is related to the broader day of reckoning that appears to have arrived. The crisis of which we speak involves more than mere economics. Journalism is collapsing, and with it comes the most serious threat in our lifetimes to self-government and the rule of law as it has been understood here in the United States.
After years of neglecting signs of trouble, elite opinion-makers have begun in recent months to recognize that things have gone horribly awry. Journals ranging from Time, The New Yorker, The Atlantic and The New Republic to the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times concur on the diagnosis: newspapers, as we have known them, are disintegrating and are possibly on the verge of extinction. Time's Walter Isaacson describes the situation as having "reached meltdown proportions" and concludes, "It is now possible to contemplate a time in the near future when major towns will no longer have a newspaper and when magazines and network news operations will employ no more than a handful of reporters." A newspaper industry that still employs roughly 50,000 journalists--the vast majority of the remaining practitioners of the craft--is teetering on the brink.Blame has been laid first and foremost on the Internet, for luring away advertisers and readers, and on the economic meltdown, which has demolished revenues and hammered debt-laden media firms. But for all the ink spilled addressing the dire circumstance of the ink-stained wretch, the understanding of what we can do about the crisis has been woefully inadequate. Unless we rethink alternatives and reforms, the media will continue to flail until journalism is all but extinguished.
Let's begin with the crisis. In a nutshell, media corporations, after running journalism into the ground, have determined that news gathering and reporting are not profit-making propositions. So they're jumping ship. The country's great regional dailies--the Chicago Tribune, the Los Angeles Times, the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Philadelphia Inquirer--are in bankruptcy. Denver's Rocky Mountain News recently closed down, ending daily newspaper competition in that city. The owners of the San Francisco Chronicle, reportedly losing $1 million a week, are threatening to shutter the paper, leaving a major city without a major daily newspaper. Big dailies in Seattle (the Times), Chicago (the Sun-Times) and Newark (the Star-Ledger) are reportedly near the point of folding, and smaller dailies like the Baltimore Examiner have already closed. The 101-year-old Christian Science Monitor, in recent years an essential source of international news and analysis, is folding its daily print edition. The Seattle Post-Intelligencer is scuttling its print edition and downsizing from a news staff of 165 to about twenty for its online-only incarnation. Whole newspaper chains--such as Lee Enterprises, the owner of large and medium-size publications that for decades have defined debates in Montana, Iowa and Wisconsin--are struggling as the value of stock shares falls below the price of a single daily paper. And the New York Times needed an emergency injection of hundreds of millions of dollars by Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim in order to stay afloat.
Those are the headlines. Arguably uglier is the death-by-small-cuts of newspapers that are still functioning. Layoffs of reporters and closings of bureaus mean that even if newspapers survive, they have precious few resources for actually doing journalism. Job cuts during the first months of this year--300 at the Los Angeles Times, 205 at the Miami Herald, 156 at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 150 at the Kansas City Star, 128 at the Sacramento Bee, 100 at the Providence Journal, 100 at the Hartford Courant, ninety at the San Diego Union-Tribune, thirty at the Wall Street Journal and on and on--suggest that this year will see far more positions eliminated than in 2008, when almost 16,000 were lost. Even Doonesbury's Rick Redfern has been laid off from his job at the Washington Post.
The toll is daunting. As former Washington Post executive editor Leonard Downie Jr. and Post associate editor Robert Kaiser have observed, "A great news organization is difficult to build and tragically easy to disassemble." That disassembling is now in full swing. As journalists are laid off and newspapers cut back or shut down, whole sectors of our civic life go dark. Newspapers that long ago closed their foreign bureaus and eliminated their crack investigative operations are shuttering at warp speed what remains of city hall, statehouse and Washington bureaus. The Cox chain, publisher of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the Austin American-Statesman and fifteen other papers, will padlock its DC bureau on April 1--a move that follows the closures of the respected Washington bureaus of Advance Publications (the Newark Star-Ledger, the Cleveland Plain Dealer and others); Copley Newspapers and its flagship San Diego Union-Tribune; as well as those of the once great regional dailies of Des Moines, Hartford, Houston, Pittsburgh, Salt Lake City, San Francisco and Toledo.
Mired in debt and facing massive losses, the managers of corporate newspaper firms seek to right the sinking ship by cutting costs, leading remaining newspaper readers to ask why they are bothering to pay for publications that are pale shadows of themselves. It is the daily newspaper death dance-cum- funeral march.
But it is not just newspapers that are in crisis; it is the institution of journalism itself. By any measure, journalism is missing from most commercial radio. TV news operations have become celebrity- and weather-obsessed "profit centers" rather than the journalistic icons of the Murrow and Cronkite eras. Cable channels "fill the gap" with numberless pundits and "business reporters," who got everything about the last decade wrong but now complain that the government doesn't know how to set things right. Cable news is defensible only because of the occasional newspaper reporter moonlighting as a talking head. But what happens when the last reporter stops collecting a newspaper paycheck and goes into PR or lobbying? She'll leave cable an empty vessel and take the public's right to know anything more than a rhetorical flourish with her.
The Internet and blogosphere, too, depend in large part on "old media" to do original journalism. Web links still refer readers mostly to stories that first appeared in print. Even in more optimistic scenarios, no one has a business model to sustain digital journalism beyond a small number of self-supporting services. The attempts of newspapers to shift their operations online have been commercial failures, as they trade old media dollars for new media pennies. We are enthusiastic about Wikipedia and the potential for collaborative efforts on the web; they can help democratize our media and politics. But they do not replace skilled journalists on the ground covering the events of the day and doing investigative reporting. Indeed, the Internet cannot achieve its revolutionary potential as a citizens' forum without such journalism.
So this is where we stand: much of local and state government, whole federal departments and agencies, American activities around the world, the world itself--vast areas of great public concern--are either neglected or on the verge of neglect. Politicians and administrators will work increasingly without independent scrutiny and without public accountability. We are entering historically uncharted territory in America, a country that from its founding has valued the press not merely as a watchdog but as the essential nurturer of an informed citizenry. The collapse of journalism and the democratic infrastructure it sustains is not a development that anyone, except perhaps corrupt politicians and the interests they serve, looks forward to. Such a crisis demands solutions equal to the task. So what are they?
Regrettably the loud discussion of the collapse of journalism has been far stronger in describing the symptoms than in providing remedies. With the frank acknowledgment that the old commercial system has failed and will not return, there has been a flurry of modest proposals to address the immodest crisis. These range from schemes to further consolidate news gathering at the local level to pleas for donations from news consumers and hopes that hard-pressed philanthropists and foundations will decide to go into the news business. And they range from ineffectual to improbable to undesirable. Walter Isaacson has proposed that newspapers come up with a plan to charge readers "micropayments" for online content. Even if such a system were practically possible, the last thing we should do is erect electronic walls that block the openness and democratic genius of the Internet.
Don't get us wrong. We are enthusiastic about many of the efforts to promote original journalism online, such as ProPublica, Talking Points Memo and the Huffington Post. We cheer on exciting local endeavors, such as MinnPost in the Twin Cities--a nonprofit, five-day-a-week online journal that covers Minnesota politics with support from major foundations, wealthy families and roughly 900 member-donors contributing $10 to $10,000. But even our friends at MinnPost acknowledge that their project is not filling the void in a metro area that still has two large, if struggling, daily newspapers. Just about every serious journalist involved in an online project will readily concede that even if these ventures pan out, we will still have a dreadfully undernourished journalism system with considerably less news gathering and reporting, especially at the local level.
For all their merits and flaws, these fixes are mere triage strategies. They are not cures; in fact, if there is a risk in them, it is that they might briefly discourage the needed reshaping of ownership models that are destined to fail.
The place to begin crafting solutions is with the understanding that the economic downturn did not cause the crisis in journalism; nor did the Internet. The economic collapse and Internet have greatly accentuated and accelerated a process that can be traced back to the 1970s, when corporate ownership and consolidation of newspapers took off. It was then that managers began to balance their books and to satisfy the demand from investors for ever-increasing returns by cutting journalists and shutting news bureaus. Go back and read a daily newspaper published in a medium-size American city in the 1960s, and you will be awed by the rich mix of international, national and local news coverage and by the frequency with which "outsiders"--civil rights campaigners, antiwar activists and consumer advocates like Ralph Nader--ended up on the front page.
As long ago as the late 1980s and early 1990s, prominent journalists and editors like Jim Squires were quitting the field in disgust at the contempt corporate management displayed toward journalism. Print advertising, which still accounts for the lion's share of newspaper revenue, declined gently as a percentage of all ad spending from 1950 to '90, as television grew in importance. Starting in 1990, well before the rise of the web as a competitor for ad dollars, newspaper ad revenues went into a sharp decline, from 26 percent of all media advertising that year to what will likely be around 10 percent this year.
Even before that decline, newspaper owners were choosing short-term profits over long-term viability. As far back as 1983, legendary reporter Ben Bagdikian warned publishers that if they continued to water down their journalism and replace it with (less expensive) fluff, they would undermine their raison d'être and fail to cultivate younger readers. But corporate newspaper owners abandoned any responsibility to maintain the franchise. When the Internet came along, newspapers were already heading due south.
We do not mean to suggest that '60s journalism was perfect or that we should aim to return there. Even then journalism suffered from a generally agreed-upon professional code that relied far too heavily on official sources to set the news agenda and decide the range of debate in our political culture. That weakness of journalism has been magnified in the era of corporate control, leaving us with a situation most commentators are loath to acknowledge: the quality of journalism in the United States today is dreadful.
Of course, there are still tremendous journalists doing outstanding work, but they battle a system increasingly pushing in the opposite direction. (That is why some of the most powerful statements about our current circumstances come in the form of books, like Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine; or documentaries, like Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine; or beat reporting in magazines, like that of Jane Mayer and Seymour Hersh at The New Yorker.) The news media blew the coverage of the Iraq invasion, spoon-feeding us lies masquerading as fact-checked verities. They missed the past decade of corporate scandals. They cheered on the housing bubble and genuflected before the financial sector (and Gilded Age levels of wealth and inequality) as it blasted debt and speculation far beyond what the real economy could sustain. Today they do almost no investigation into where the trillions of public dollars being spent by the Federal Reserve and Treasury are going but spare not a moment to update us on the "Octomom." They trade in trivia and reduce everything to spin, even matters of life and death.
No wonder young people find mainstream journalism uninviting; it would almost be more frightening if they embraced what passes for news today. Older Americans have been giving up on old media too, if not as rapidly and thoroughly as the young. If we are going to address the crisis in journalism, we have to come up with solutions that provide us with hard-hitting reporting that monitors people in power, that engages all our people, not just the classes attractive to advertisers, and that seeks to draw all Americans into public life. Going backward is not an option; nor is it desirable. The old corporate media system choked on its own excess. We should not seek to restore or re-create it. We have to move forward to a system that creates a journalism far superior to that of the recent past.
We can do exactly that--but only if we recognize and embrace the necessity of government intervention. Only government can implement policies and subsidies to provide an institutional framework for quality journalism. We understand that this is a controversial position. When French President Nicolas Sarkozy recently engineered a $765 million bailout of French newspapers, free marketeers rushed to the barricades to declare, "No, no, not in the land of the free press." Conventional wisdom says that the founders intended the press to be entirely independent of the state, to preserve the integrity of the press. Bree Nordenson notes that when she informed famed journalist Tom Rosenstiel that her visionary 2007 Columbia Journalism Review article concerned the ways government could support the press, Rosenstiel "responded brusquely, 'Well, I'm not a big fan of government support.' I explained that I just wanted to put the possibility on the table. 'Well, I'd take it off the table,' he said."
We are sympathetic to that position. As writers, we have been routinely critical of government--Democratic and Republican--over the past three decades and antagonistic to those in power. Policies that would allow politicians to exercise even the slightest control over the news are, in our view, not only frightening but unacceptable. Fortunately, the rude calculus that says government intervention equals government control is inaccurate and does not reflect our past or present, or what enlightened policies and subsidies could entail.
Our founders never thought that freedom of the press would belong only to those who could afford a press. They would have been horrified at the notion that journalism should be regarded as the private preserve of the Rupert Murdochs and John Malones. The founders would not have entertained, let alone accepted, the current equation that seems to say that if rich people determine there is no good money to be made in the news, then society cannot have news. Let's find a king and call it a day.
The founders regarded the establishment of a press system, the Fourth Estate, as the first duty of the state. Jefferson and Madison devoted considerable energy to explaining the necessity of the press to a vibrant democracy. The government implemented extraordinary postal subsidies for the distribution of newspapers. It also instituted massive newspaper subsidies through printing contracts and the paid publication of government notices, all with the intent of expanding the number and variety of newspapers. When Tocqueville visited the United States in the 1830s he was struck by the quantity and quality of newspapers and periodicals compared with France, Canada and Britain. It was not an accident. It had little to do with "free markets." It was the result of public policy.
Moreover, when the Supreme Court has taken up matters of freedom of the press, its majority opinions have argued strongly for the necessity of the press as the essential underpinning of our constitutional republic. First Amendment absolutist Hugo Black wrote that the "Amendment rests on the assumption that the widest possible dissemination of information from diverse and antagonistic sources is essential to the welfare of the public, that a free press is a condition of a free society." Black argued for the right and necessity of the government to counteract private monopolistic control over the media. More recently Justice Anthony Kennedy, a Reagan appointee, argued that "assuring the public has access to a multiplicity of information sources is a governmental purpose of the highest order."
But government support for the press is not merely a matter of history or legal interpretation. Complaints about a government role in fostering journalism invariably overlook the fact that our contemporary media system is anything but an independent "free market" institution. The government subsidies established by the founders did not end in the eighteenth--or even the nineteenth--century. Today the government doles out tens of billions of dollars in direct and indirect subsidies, including free and essentially permanent monopoly broadcast licenses, monopoly cable and satellite privileges, copyright protection and postal subsidies. (Indeed, this magazine has been working for the past few years with journals of the left and right to assure that those subsidies are available to all publications.) Because the subsidies mostly benefit the wealthy and powerful, they are rarely mentioned in the fictional account of an independent and feisty Fourth Estate. Both the rise and decline of commercial journalism can be attributed in part to government policies, which scrapped the regulations and ownership rules that had encouraged local broadcast journalism and allowed for lax regulation as well as tax deductions for advertising--policies that greatly increased news media revenues.
The truth is that government policies and subsidies already define our press system. The only question is whether they will be enlightened and democratic, as in the early Republic, or corrupt and corrosive to democracy, as has been the case in recent decades. The answer will be determined in coming years as part of what is certain to be a bruising battle: media companies and their lobbying groups will argue against the "heavy hand of government" while defending existing subsidies. They will propose more deregulation, hoping to capitalize on the crisis to remove the last barriers to print, broadcast and digital consolidation in local markets--creating media "company towns," where competition is eliminated, along with journalism jobs, in pursuit of better returns for investors. Enlightened elected officials, media unions and public interest and community groups that recognize the role of robust journalism are going to have to step up to argue for a real fix.
Fortunately, an increasing number of veteran journalists, scholars and activists are beginning to grasp the historical significance of the present moment and the central role of public policy. It was the late James Carey, decorated University of Illinois and Columbia journalism professor and no fan of government power, who saw this before almost anyone else, writing in 2002: "Alas, the press may have to rely upon a democratic state to create the conditions necessary for a democratic press to flourish and for journalists to be restored to their proper role as orchestrators of the conversation of a democratic culture."
We have to ask where we want to end up, after the reforms have been implemented. In our view we need to have competing independent newsrooms of well-paid journalists in every state and in every major community. This is not about newspapers or even broadcast media; it entails all media and accepts that we may be headed into an era when nearly all of our communication will be digital. Ideally this will be a pluralistic system, where there will be different institutional structures. Varieties of nonprofit media will have to play a much larger role, though not a monopolistic one.
We recognize and embrace the need for a system in which there will be a range of perspectives from left to right, alongside some media more intent on maintaining a less explicitly ideological stance. We must have a system that prohibits state censorship and that minimizes commercial control over journalistic values and pursuits. The right of any person to start his or her own medium, commercial or nonprofit, at any time is inviolable. From this foundation we can envision a thriving, digital citizen's journalism complementing and probably merging with professional journalism. What will the mix be? It would vary, with more not-for-profit and subsidized media in rural and low-income areas, more for-profit media in wealthier ones. The first order of any government intervention would be to assure that no state or region would be without quality local, state, national or international journalism.
We begin with the notion that journalism is a public good, that it has broad social benefits far beyond that between buyer and seller. Like all public goods, we need the resources to get it produced. This is the role of the state and public policy. It will require a subsidy and should be regarded as similar to the education system or the military in that regard. Only a nihilist would consider it sufficient to rely on profit-seeking commercial interests or philanthropy to educate our youth or defend the nation from attack. With the collapse of the commercial news system, the same logic applies. Just as there came a moment when policy-makers recognized the necessity of investing tax dollars to create a public education system to teach our children, so a moment has arrived at which we must recognize the need to invest tax dollars to create and maintain news gathering, reporting and writing with the purpose of informing all our citizens.
So, if we can accept the need for government intervention to save American journalism, what form should it take? In the near term, we need to think about an immediate journalism economic stimulus, to be revisited after three years, and we need to think big. Let's eliminate postal rates for periodicals that garner less than 20 percent of their revenues from advertising. This keeps alive all sorts of magazines and journals of opinion that are being devastated by distribution costs. It is these publications that often do investigative, cutting-edge, politically provocative journalism.
What to do about newspapers? Let's give all Americans an annual tax credit for the first $200 they spend on daily newspapers. The newspapers would have to publish at least five times per week and maintain a substantial "news hole," say at least twenty-four broad pages each day, with less than 50 percent advertising. In effect, this means the government will pay for every citizen who so desires to get a free daily newspaper subscription, but the taxpayer gets to pick the newspaper--this is an indirect subsidy, because the government does not control who gets the money. This will buy time for our old media newsrooms--and for us citizens--to develop a plan to establish journalism in the digital era. We could see this evolving into a system to provide tax credits for online subscriptions as well.
None of these proposed subsidies favor or censor any particular viewpoint. The primary condition on media recipients of this stimulus subsidy would be a mild one: that they make at least 90 percent of their content immediately available free online. In this way, the subsidies would benefit citizens and taxpayers, expanding the public domain and providing the Internet with a rich vein of material available to all.
What should be done about the disconnect between young people and journalism? Have the government allocate funds so every middle school, high school and college has a well-funded student newspaper and a low-power FM radio station, all of them with substantial websites. We need to get young people accustomed to producing journalism and to appreciating what differentiates good journalism from the other stuff.
The essential component for the immediate stimulus should be an exponential expansion of funding for public and community broadcasting, with the requirement that most of the funds be used for journalism, especially at the local level, and that all programming be available for free online. Other democracies outspend the United States by whopping margins per capita on public media: Canada sixteen times more; Germany twenty times more; Japan forty-three times more; Britain sixty times more; Finland and Denmark seventy-five times more. These investments have produced dramatically more detailed and incisive international reporting, as well as programming to serve young people, women, linguistic and ethnic minorities and regions that might otherwise be neglected by for-profit media.
Perhaps in the past the paucity of public media in the United States could be justified by the enormous corporate media presence. But as the corporate sector shrivels we need something to replace it, and fast. Public and community broadcasters are in a position to be just that, and to keep alive the practice of news gathering in countless communities across the nation. Indeed, if a regional daily like the San Francisco Chronicle fails this year, why not try a federally funded experiment: maintain the newsroom as a digital extension of the local public broadcasting system?
Currently the government spends less than $450 million annually on public media. (To put matters in perspective, it spends several times that much on Pentagon public relations designed, among other things, to encourage favorable press coverage of the wars that the vast majority of Americans oppose.) Based on what other highly democratic and free countries do, the allocation from the government should be closer to $10 billion. All totaled, the suggestions we make here for subscription subsidies, postal reforms, youth media and investment in public broadcasting have a price tag in the range of $60 billion over the next three years.
This is a substantial amount of money. In normal times it might be too much to ask. But in a time of national crisis, when an informed and engaged citizenry is America's best hope, $20 billion a year is chicken feed for building what would essentially be a bridge across which journalism might pass from dying old media to the promise of something new. Think of it as a free press "infrastructure project" that is necessary to maintain an informed citizenry, and democracy itself. It would keep the press system alive. And it has the added benefit of providing an economic stimulus. If these journalists (and the tens of thousands of production and distribution workers associated with newspapers) are not put to work through the programs we propose, their knowledge and expertise will be lost. They will be unemployed, and their unemployment will contribute to further stagnation and economic decline--especially in big cities where newspapers are major employers.
These proposals are a good start, but then the really hard work begins. We have to come up with a plan to convert failing newspapers into journalistic entities with the express purpose of assuring that fully staffed, functioning and, ideally, competing newsrooms continue to operate in communities across the country. The only way to do this is by using tax policies, credit policies and explicit subsidies to convert the remains of old media into independent, stable institutions that are ready to compete and communicate in the decades to come. To get from here to there, and especially to make possible multiple competing newsrooms in larger communities, policy-makers should be open to commercial ownership, municipal ownership, staff ownership or independent nonprofit ownership. Ideally the next media system will have a combination of the above; and the government should be prepared to rewrite rules and regulations and to use its largesse to aid a variety of sound initiatives.
We confess that we do not have all the answers. Neither, we have discovered, does anyone else. The fatal flaw in so many sincere but doomed responses to the current crisis is that they try to do the impossible, to create a system using varying doses of foundation grants, do-gooder capitalism, citizen donations, volunteer labor, the anticipation of a miraculous increase in advertising manna and/or a sudden--and in our view unimaginable--reversal on the part of Americans who have thus far shown no inclination to pay for online content. At best, these are piecemeal proposals when we are in dire need of building an entire edifice. The money from these sources is insufficient to address the crisis in journalism.
We have to open the door to enlightened public policies and subsidies. We need our members of Congress and our leading scholars to approach this matter with the same urgency with which they would approach the threat of terrorism, pandemic, financial collapse or climate change. We need an organized citizenry demanding the institutions that make self-government possible. Only then can we, like our founders, build a free press. The technologies and the economic challenges are, of course, more complex than in the 1790s, but the answer is the same: the democratic state, the government, must create the conditions for sustaining the journalism that can provide the people with the information they need to be their own governors.
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Show AllBerlusconi basically gutted Italian television. Since then hundreds of small local area tv stations have sprung up.
Maybe the age of small independent newspapers and pamphleteers has come back.
And then maybe we can have some investigative reporting again.
I am completely opposed to government funding of newspapers. Look what happened to poor Bill Moyers at PBS when pro-Bush Republican hacks took over the government board which oversaw PBS and effectively closed down his show. I am glad he has since returned with a new show on PBS. News media should never be vulnerable to or dependent on politicians.
I am not worried about the death of todays big newspapers. Almost all deserve to die, and this is coming from a 60-year-old man and an avid newspaper reader. They have now for too long failed to serve the public and even actively mislead the public in important matters.
As long as there are human beings, there will always be a hunger for news. Resultantly, small entrepreneurs will crop up to fill that need. They will be creative in finding funding, maybe from a group of independent foundations for example. Moreover, people will pay for news if it is genuine and reliable. So let the propaganga-and-lies corporate press die, and let a new facts-based grassroots journalism begin.
Try reporting the truth.
Good riddance. Go online.
At least with online versions of my local newspapers, people in the state can respond and boy do the rightwing kooks out here in Tulsa show and they're nasty nasty nasty !!
I frankly don't care what happens to the New York Times, the Warshington Post, Time magazine, Newsweak, U.S. News and World Report or any other Bush/Murdoch/Clinton house organ of the Reagan Revolution. They can always find capitalization to spread their lies and useless calories in whatever media eventually predominate. For the near term, and probably longer, sites like CD will be practically the only places where some semblance of the truth can be found.
all those publications wanted Obama elected from day one. That is what Bush and Cheney wanted? Murdoch first supported Hillary and thenn Obama. Wow man what a right wing press we have!
You better hope that the 'printed' word doesn't go the way of the dodo. Books will be next and those are the most important source of real investigative journalism. They may be a year or 2 or 3 late but the usually cover subjects much more thoroughly than the other msm venues.
Maybe if one would look at it this way, if the electricity goes off, you can't hear you favorite electric guitar player until the juice comes back on and electricity will eventually become a 'rationed' thing, a point of control, dished out when those 'best and brightest' begin doling it out at their disgression.
Sorry. It isn't the printed word that is going the way of the dodo.
It is the newspapers, who need to look in the mirror, and stop pointing fingers.
I was skeptical until I read that television and radio station owners receive tens of billions of dollars in direct and indirect subsidies, including free and essentially permanent monopoly broadcast licenses and monopoly cable and satellite privileges.
No wonder print can't compete.
I do not see among the authors' proposals a user fee for the currently free monopoly licenses, which are a natural resource, like minerals or clean air, owned by the people of the nation. The monopoly user of these resources should be paying most of their true value back to the people, and it's an outrage that they are not. The funds raised could and should be used to pay for the reforms suggested.
At this rate there will be nothing for Johnny to read - so why teach him to read. Worked for George W.
Books? The internet?
The written word != newspapers.
I believe that there are two major reasons for the demise of newspapers:
1. For the last 20 years, newspaper ownership has become dominated by right wing ideologues like William Dean Singleton's Media News Group.
2. The UP is owned by "the Reverend" Sun Moon. William Dean Singleton is the Chairman of the Board of the AP.
To tnmoderate, Mordechai and ezeflyer:
Did any of you actually bother to read this article? One of the key points is that nobody has come up with a digital media business model that can actually replace newspapers. Most of the sites you guys probably look at, like CommonDreams, Huffington Post and so forth, either syndicate content from print news organizations or post opinion articles based on hard news that originates in print sources. Most magazine features -- including those in The Nation and Mother Jones -- and TV news stories are also based on or inspired by news stories that originally appeared in newspapers.
The collapse of a newspaper, in that sense, is like what has happened in a lot of small and medium-sized Midwestern cities: Once the main employer moves out, the businesses that depend on it (like parts suppliers) go out of business, then all the small businesses do as well.
As a journalist, I'm really fed up with this utter scorn for the profession that I see coming from both the left and the right. There's plenty to criticize in journalism, and the authors of this article sum it up nicely (e.g. all the fluff reporting in newspapers, and don't even get me started on TV news), but a lot of people's complaints, especially those that seem to herald the death of the "MSM," are based on pure ignorance and cynicism.
People seem to think that an opinionated blog maintained by a 20-something guy wearing jeans and polar fleece will replace the traditional media. Trust me, it won't.
Journalism is a lot more than just tapping out a few paragraphs. Any story, whether it's a news brief or a 5,000-word feature, is the result of about 80% reporting and 20% writing. Reporting involves everything from using press releases to looking through government documents and company reports to interviews, sometimes with people who are difficult to get hold of or reluctant to talk; interviews often require reporters and editors to cultivate relationships with sources, which can take a long time. And all of this is done on deadlines that range from months to days to minutes, and with full observance of ethical standards and style rules.
As you might have guessed, this is a full-time job for which people generally get college degrees or go through years of professional reporting experience and want a comfortable salary. This isn't volunteer work, like cleaning cat boxes at the animal shelter, unless you're independently wealthy or willing to live in poverty.
If someone can find a way to do all of this online and replace a recently folded newspaper, then all power to him or her, but until that happens, this is not a trend that anyone who cares about our democracy should welcome.
To larde,
I respect you and all journalists. You work very hard to develop the contacts and background research to produce a good story. Too many of today's journalists, in my opinion, identify too much with members of our national elites and are overly eager to develop relations with them. Stories that produce nothing better than government or business propaganda inevitably result. Today's reporters are more interested in developing a relationship with, say, Rahm Emmanuel, than the local chapter head of ACORN.
Back some eighty years ago, back in the "The Front Page" days, reporters came from the working classes and had a hearty distrust of authority. They often ferretted out the corrupt practices of members of government and big business alike. Today's well-educated, middle-class status reporters seem uninterested in getting non-elite points of view. It is hard today to find our own Lincoln Steffens or Ida Tarbell. The closest we have is Naomi Klein.
I think reporters need to get back that old "overturn the rocks" spirit, telling us what is underneath. Reporting that is telling us exactly where all the bank bailout money is going, for example, would be a good start.
"One of the key points is that nobody has come up with a digital media business model that can actually replace newspapers. Most of the sites you guys probably look at, like CommonDreams, Huffington Post and so forth, either syndicate content from print news organizations or post opinion articles based on hard news that originates in print sources. Most magazine features -- including those in The Nation and Mother Jones -- and TV news stories are also based on or inspired by news stories that originally appeared in newspapers."
Reuters, AP, AFP, Al Jazeera, the BBC, are none of them newspapers.
Furthermore, if you hang around CD often, you will notice that many of the linked articles are from British newspapers, such as the Guardian, who's owners appear to be doing pretty well.
"especially those that seem to herald the death of the "MSM," are based on pure ignorance and cynicism."
Have you wondered why people are so cynical about journalists? Have you tried looking in the mirror, instead of blaming readers for being cynical?
"Journalism is a lot more than just tapping out a few paragraphs. Any story, whether it's a news brief or a 5,000-word feature, is the result of about 80% reporting and 20% writing. Reporting involves everything from using press releases to looking through government documents and company reports to interviews, sometimes with people who are difficult to get hold of or reluctant to talk; interviews often require reporters and editors to cultivate relationships with sources, which can take a long time."
As someone said so pithily downthread, report the truth. Or find a new job.
"As you might have guessed, this is a full-time job for which people generally get college degrees or go through years of professional reporting experience and want a comfortable salary. This isn't volunteer work, like cleaning cat boxes at the animal shelter, unless you're independently wealthy or willing to live in poverty."
I'm sure the bankers who ran the banks down the crapper all say the same things too.
"If someone can find a way to do all of this online and replace a recently folded newspaper, then all power to him or her, but until that happens, this is not a trend that anyone who cares about our democracy should welcome."
Well, here is the thing; people here are saying that you journalists have not helped democracy; people here are saying that with the obsession of journalists about "access", about "embedded journalism", about "cultivating relationships" you journalists are really nothing better than mediocre propagandists. Shills.
Flash to Nichols and McChesney--These dying newspapers don't deserve mourning anymore than dinosaurs, blacksmiths, or harness and bridle makers. The answer is right before us and it's called the Internet. It has more immediate deadlines, greater flexibility (try embedding video in a newspaper), and has far less investment in physical plant and staff to operate.
What it does require however has yet to coalesce in this contry: A public willing to pay for the privilige of an uncontrolled press and staff willing to work for less money than they might otherwise make at print publications.
Corporate America values a controlled press enough to pay big money through advertising (which is actually them conning us into financing the death of our own independent press) and the funding of endowed chairs and think tank fellowships (which is them conning us into funding the reeducation of writers and editors and their transformation into corporate lapdogs and glorified stenographers).
It's not too late to turn things around--there are hundreds of millions more of us than there are of them so we don't have to spend as much as they do but we have to spend something if we want reporting that is free from elitist bias.
Similarly the journalists of the web should not be condemned to a vow of poverty, but neither should they expect to be paid like the courtesans of some Middle-Eastern Sultan and still be taken seriously as those who are capable of speaking truth to and about power on our behalf.
I got a reminder from Craig Brown today about the needs of Common Dreams--I'll bet you did too--if you value this site $upport it.
Poet
++++++What it does require however has yet to coalesce in this contry: A public willing to pay for the privilige of an uncontrolled press and staff willing to work for less money than they might otherwise make at print publications.+++++
No....what it requires is a massive technological infrastructure as well as personal computer technologies that are all owned by giant multinational corporations. They own the coaxial cable, they own the satellites, they own the phone lines and, in a nutshell, they are the exact entities allow you to have access to any information online, including this blog. How, exactly, is that a model for 'progress'?
I agree that journalists who work online should be paid well, but online journalism is an entirely different business model than print journalism. For example, it doesn't employ nearly as many people. But like print news, it is largely designed to 1) harness bytes of information produced by Reuters and AP and then 2) spread them around so that people can comment and bitch endlessly about the same news stories. Do people produce fine investigative journalism online? Of course they do. Is the diversity and quality of online journalism not superior to print journalism? Damn straight. But can most of these people do their jobs without relying on the reports, stories and photographs produced by journalists hired by newspapers? Probably not.
One last thing: dinosaurs did not die off from some Darwinian natural force as if there was a new species of animal--i.e. the carbon-based version of the almighty Internet--that came along and swept them away. Similarly, you can't just apply the Darwinian narrative to technologies with any better success. That is to say, technologies don't simply 'evolve': they exist in a broader economic and political context that doesn't abide by the rules of natural selection. Technological 'development' only looks like an upward arrow when we systematically ignore the living, working and environmental conditions facing most of the world's people who make our 'modern' crap, whether the clothes on our bodies, the shoes on our feet, or the devices that allow us to access the Internet or make phone calls. The only reason our yuppie asses can use cellphones and computers is because modern day slaves mine for Columbite-tantalite (or coltan) in the Congo each day. If you'd prefer to ignore the fact that this process is directly responsible for the production of microchips and cellphone parts, you are welcome to do so, but it doesn't change the facts. Because like the slaves in Brazil who forge the 'pig iron' used in the car engines or the slaves in Florida who pick tomatoes, the folks in the Congo are the people who are unwittingly behind the scenes, allowing you to wax poetic about meeting 'deadlines' and having 'greater flexibility' brought about by smaller investments in an ostensibly streamlined 'physical plant and staff'.
The Internet is pretty bad ass, but it's not gonna set you, me or anybody else free.
Hello to Speckdog--
You write:
"No....what it requires is a massive technological infrastructure as well as personal computer technologies that are all owned by giant multinational corporations. They own the coaxial cable, they own the satellites, they own the phone lines and, in a nutshell, they are the exact entities allow you to have access to any information online, including this blog. How, exactly, is that a model for 'progress'?"
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What you say above is true but irrelevent as far as I am concerned. My electrical power and phone service are similarly supplied by monopoly utilities and I am free to use both my electrical power and phone connectivity as I please. Further these mnonopolies are restrained from making it otherwise or price gouging me for the privilige of using their services by responsible regulation by state utility commissions.
In terms of the Internet, this is known as net neutrality (allowing all signals over the net the same speed and bandwidth access as all others) and fee regulation (treating the Internet as a common carrier or utility like phone, electrical, water, and sewer service) through responsible regulatory commission oversight. I am not talking about the "patty-cake" gentlemen's agreements and revolving door regulatory oversight typified by both political parties in the past 30+ years as they appointed industry insiders to oversee such regulation.
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You next state:
"I agree that journalists who work online should be paid well, but online journalism is an entirely different business model than print journalism. For example, it doesn't employ nearly as many people. But like print news, it is largely designed to 1) harness bytes of information produced by Reuters and AP and then 2) spread them around so that people can comment and bitch endlessly about the same news stories. Do people produce fine investigative journalism online? Of course they do. Is the diversity and quality of online journalism not superior to print journalism? Damn straight. But can most of these people do their jobs without relying on the reports, stories and photographs produced by journalists hired by newspapers? Probably not."
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Going back to the horse to auto analogy, when cars first came into being they were forced to drive over everything from rutted horse paths to old trails first blazed by Native American tribes. It was brutal and difficult, but gadually a consensus formed about how the future could be different from the present.
The people taxed themselves to build paved roads. Laws and customs were established to responsibly regulate traffic flow. An entire regulatory enforcement infrastructure was established to maintain the order (highway patrols and traffic courts for instance) and gradually over time a much improved transportation system enabled this country to be settled and traveled in with greater ease.
The death of the old journalism infrastructure model is as tragic as it is inevitable. Lots of finely trained craftsmen and women find their particular skills and disciplines no longer as economically viable or needed as they once were. Even though it is possible to teach old dogs new tricks, the learning curve is tougher than it is for puppies.
Digital video and sound recording and processing have renderd transcription, tape, film and video tape obsolete. The ubiquitousness of cell phone cameras and recording have made everyone a potential reporter and turned services like You Tube into an ad-hoc on-line journal in constant publication and editing simultaneously.
That there will come eventual stasis and order from this present chaos is obvious, but exactly what form and how long it will take is less obvious. As Betty Davis famously remarked in one of her more memorable roles "fasten you seat-belts, it's gonna be a bumpy ride"
You conclude:
. Technological 'development' only looks like an upward arrow when we systematically ignore the living, working and environmental conditions facing most of the world's people who make our 'modern' crap, whether the clothes on our bodies, the shoes on our feet, or the devices that allow us to access the Internet or make phone calls. The only reason our yuppie asses can use cellphones and computers is because modern day slaves mine for Columbite-tantalite (or coltan) in the Congo each day. If you'd prefer to ignore the fact that this process is directly responsible for the production of microchips and cellphone parts, you are welcome to do so, but it doesn't change the facts."
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Again I have no dispute with the truth of your statements above, but believe that they are irrelevent to my point which was what could possibly replece the print journalism infrastructure as we now know it (or once in the not too dim past remember it).
As far as technological violence in service of technology, let us not forget that print publications helped contribute to the denuding of vast tracts of forest for the paper needed for their production. Similarly many people along with the earth and streams were poisoned to mine the silver needed for photo processing and many other industrial processes. During the 19th and early 20th centruies when print journalism came of age, 12 hour work days at pauper wages and in very dangerouas working conditions for men, women, and minor children were the rule rather than the exception.
My point was not to compare the rise of the Internet to some inevitable evolutionary leap necessitated by some process of natural technological selection. Rather, it was to point out that a doable replacement for traditional print journalism along with its byzantine infrastructure exists that can and should be taken advantage of for that reason. The transition won't be some clean break with the past in which the new technology automatically eclipses the old technology and improves on what it replaces, but such will happen eventually.
Poet
The mainstream media simply fails to tell us the truth and many of the journalists know that if they tell what really happened in Gaza etc. they will be looking for another job.
Go to,
http://www.medialens.org/index_home.php
for a good look at how biased the media is.
Instead of more government intervention how about less. For instance, eliminate government press releases. Then journalists will have to actually do their jobs instead of just rewriting government propaganda.
Or how about we let every American know that 30-40% of the price of most mass marketed goods pays for the advertising campaign. Then maybe they'll pay extra for quality journalism instead of buying "cheaper" papers or watching "free" news broadcasts.
Instead of more government intervention how about less. For instance, eliminate government press releases. Then journalists will have to actually do their jobs instead of just rewriting government propaganda.
Or how about we let every American know that 30-40% of the price of most mass marketed goods pays for the advertising campaign. Then maybe they'll pay extra for quality journalism instead of buying "cheaper" papers or watching "free" news broadcasts.
"What to do about newspapers? Let's give all Americans an annual tax credit for the first $200 they spend on daily newspapers."
Whoa. Waitaminit! You just lost me, guys. (After all that reading to get there, too!)
First, give us real local owners.
Next, get out of bed with our one party system. (Remember the phrases all of you repeated when some third party got the voters attention: " The two-party system is what's best for America") Oh, that was a good one! Or-or, howzabout: "We live in the freest and most open society in the world". Oh!The good old days! Now, say hi to your friendly eavesdropping police state. (Really, a big THANK YOU for THAT little turd you helped lay.
See how badly you've sucked over the past 20 or so years? And by reading this article, you STILL don't get it. Pay you? Now? After the failures you've presided over?
Start with rebuilding your creditability. Otherwise, figure out your own business model, with your own money.
Actually, a tax credit for newspapers isn't a half bad idea, but I don't think 200$ is enough. If the credit was large enough, more people would buy papers that lacked ads which are one of the major sources of bias. Plus, I never object to paying fewer taxes to the government.
While I'm not a fan of the corporate press, journalists serve an important role in this or any other country. Consequently, there are a few things I don't understand from the comments on this board, and in other online venues.
For example, people don't seem to like newspapers, and see them failing, because they are too riddled with corporate PR and too cozy with the political and economic elite in this country (defensible claims), but who do you think gives you access to the Internet? Because from the sound of it, one would think that the Internet doesn't operate via a material infrastructure that is predominantly owned by an even smaller number of corporations than those who own all the major newspapers in this country. Are people really arguing that newspaper companies are corporate, hence bad, but Internet service providers, phone companies, cable companies, and computer manufacturers are somehow better??
Do people understand the gravity of allowing a handful of corporations--who, mind you, already assisted in the most broad-based violations of American privacy in the history of the country (by sheer numbers alone)--to hold most of the keys to the news....assuming that print newspapers 'die'? This is akin to waiting for a technological savior, or at best, putting faith in the idea that entrepreneurial capitalism will somehow guarantee the same access to the Internet that people now enjoy. Because while the companies who own the access points (between YOUR computer and the ephemeral web) don't own the content, it doesn't mean that the Internet is this free space where anything goes. Are you going to launch your own satellite if you don't like the options? Lay your own coaxial cable? Install your own phone lines? For example, I'll be thrilled when the main newspaper in my town folds (Chicago Tribune) because I hate the company and I get my news from Al Jazeera. But who connects my computer to Al Jazeera? And what if they decide they don't want to carry it anymore (much like their cable TV brethren)? Hint: I'm f*cked.
Another question nobody seems to answer in any substantive way, is how are journalists supposed to get paid to do their job in the post-newspaper era we're all cheering for? How many journalists, for example, do you think Talking Points Memo can employ? Or the Huffington Post? Do you really think that these and other progressive news websites are going to realistically compete with the volume of right wing websites that will emerge once Libertarian think tanks (and their oil, petrochemical and munitions money) start to throw their weight behind the Corporate Web 3.0? Hint: The right wing in the US has more money in their collective couch cushions than all the progressives and lefties on the entire continent.
Another point: assuming that everyone can just 'go online' to get their news all but ensures that the poorest people in the country can't have cheap and/or easy access to quality news on a regular basis (TV broadcast news is certifiable garbage and that goes without saying). This is the ultimate in yuppie ideology. Indeed, what about the huge numbers of senior citizens who don't use the Internet to get their news? What about the homeless and poor in this country? Do people even give a sh*t about hundreds of thousands of people who can easily pay for a newspaper but can't afford to spend money at an Internet cafe? Public libraries are one place (depending on the city) where people can use the Internet, but they are the LAST institutions in this country who will receive more funding, hence more computers, anytime soon.
Last, but not least, when newspapers start to disappear, so will the printing technologies used to manufacture newspapers....as well as our tangible, material archives. This will correspond with the massive collapse we've seen in independent print magazines in recent years, as well as the disintegration of hundreds of small presses and thousands of independent book stores nationwide.
Are we just going to digitize everything an hope for the best? Put all the eggs in one giant basket whose edges are blurred by naive faith in an ideology of the online 'global village'? And then we do what, exactly? Hope that a virus doesn't wipe out the Internet? Hope that people like Karl Rove and Dick Cheney don't disappear random information like so many White House emails? Hope that people continually develop new ways to transfer digital content between software platforms and hardware innovations? Or should we just hope that Comcast and Verizon get a heart like the tin man?
I wouldn't hold my breath.
I turned my back on the corporate media in the 90s, when the cruelest f*cking lie you could make up about the President, his wife, or his daughter, would be headline news the next day.
Now that the right wing freaks are as broke as the rest of us, their propaganda machines wont survive. Because sooner or later their minions of robotic slaves will realize they are being used to drive a broken vehicle of failed economic right wing policy's.
In their greedy frenzy to deregulate Wall Street and the Banks, feed the military industrial complex with 750 billion a year, allow the Federal reserve to control our money, expand the empire using wars, they forgot who pays the bills.
No jobs, stagnant wages, low wages, high costs for medical insurance and care, have put most Americans in financial decline since the genius of Reagan's trickle down economics was born.
Give the devil his due, using the religious right wing votes , propaganda to get the independents and vote rigging ,the nasty right wing has controlled Washington for 32 of the last 44 years , which has strangled the money out of 90 percent of Americans pockets into the top 10 percent.
So really, if all the right wing news papers fail, its just a sign that Americans in the middle and far right cant afford to buy or believe the poor reporting on the state of the Union.
IN OTHER WORDS , THE TRUTH OF THE FAILED ECONOMIC GREEDY POLICY'S OF THE LAST 40 YEARS AND FAILURE TO REPORT THE TRUTH BY THE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS HAS COME BACK TO BITE US ALL ON OUR ASS'S.
WAR, WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR??? HALIBURTON,KBR, LOCKHEED MARTIN, L3 COMMUNICATIONS,BOOZ ALLEN, ETC.ETC.ETC. A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE POPULATION.
The rest of us cant afford this kind of leadership anymore.
BornFreeMen
"Newspapers are unable, seemingly, to discriminate between a bicycle accident and the collapse of civilization”
George Bernard Shaw
“I am unable to understand how a man of honor could take a newspaper in his hands without a shudder of disgust.”
Charles Baudelaire
While it is truly, truly sad that the Bushites were able to exercise too much power over public broadcasting (the commercials from the oil companies are particularly annoying), I hope to see improvement now. And if we have to pay higher taxes to get it and/or to save good newspapers, it will be worth it.
The BBC is tax-supported and is, as far as I can tell, free from governmental influence and massive time-wasting on non-news celebrity doings. Their reporters never shy from pointing out evidence of such interference in our own media (after Georgia invaded South Ossetia, for instance, and Russia came to its rescue, the BBC noted the U.S. seemed to be "rewriting history" by claiming that it was Russia who carried out the invasion). The Guardian and Observer are similarly aware, as are The Daily Star (Beirut) and Al-Jazeera.
If we are so unfortunate as to lose daily newspapers and the in-depth analysis and reporting they sometimes provide, there is such original reporting at internet sources like ipsnews.net, cepr.net, fpif.org and on radio,TV, and internet by folks like Amy Goodman. The U.N. site, globalpolicy.org, gleans informative articles from the world press for reprinting.
The blissful ignorance some posters have shown is truly astounding. Larde said the truest thing on this board.
I've been working for a daily newspaper for 13 years. First, there a gross lack of distinction even within the valid criticism leveled against the MSM etc. Far too many people are conflating TV news with with cable punditry with print journalism, which is where almost all original reporting work is done. Also, and this is key, there's a huge difference between the big national papers (NYT, WaPo etc.) and the 1,500 or so local dailies.
Second, blogs and the internet will not replace ORIGINAL REPORTING, which is hugely labor-intensive and cost money. Bloggers et al don't have the time or resources to do the kind of reporting that a healthy democracy needs. And I'm not just talking about covering things like Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm talking about covering town hall/city hall meetings. I'm talking about investigative reporting on the local and state level.
Third, some have said, I am not worried about the death of "big" newspapers. But the same people who own the "big" papers own most of the small ones too.
Rflo the glib remarks you make scare me, actually.
"Well, here is the thing; people here are saying that you journalists have not helped democracy; people here are saying that with the obsession of journalists about "access", about "embedded journalism", about "cultivating relationships" you journalists are really nothing better than mediocre propagandists. Shills.
Your distortions are ridiculous, especially what you say about access and cultivating relationships. The poster you are responding to is talking about the NECESSITY of building relationships with sources. It's necessary b/c strangers don't tell you "secret" things without feeling like they can trust you on some level. How do you think things are leaked? A reporter who has established a relationship with someone on the "inside" is given vital information. That exchange wouldn't/couldn't happen between strangers simply working in an official capacity.
How many folks here have submitted a FOIA request? How many even know how to? How many can afford to pay for the government documents produced by FOIA requests? How many have the time the hound FOIA officers and find obscure documents buried in the halls of government? What percentage of official government documents have been released at the request of bloggers or pundits or TV news anchors or talk radio hosts, compared to boots-on-the-ground print reporters? How many can afford the legal bills when the government refuses to release certain information and you have to go to court to make a judge order the government to release information?
My grandmother used to say, be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. Before people start cheering the death of print journalism, you ought to take stock of how much you (perhaps unwittingly) rely on newspapers for vital information.
Saywhat?
It's not like posters who complain and criticize are some new phenomenon, simply modern day malcontents.
No less than notables such as Thoreau, Shaw, Mencken, Twain, Voltaire, Baudelaire, etc., have complained and worse from practically day one.
Are we all blissfully ignorant?
Some of us have concerns, and suspicions..
Kalidas,
Point taken, except that there isn't a poster here or any message board who are in the same category as the folks you mentioned. Not even close, which is why they are posting comments and not writing themselves. Blissfully ignorant all? No, not all. That's why I said some. But if the shoe fits...
More importantly, I understand when right-wingers deride the media with intellectually dishonest arguments but I don't understand why progressives make the same kind of broad-brush ignorant remarks. It's one thing to criticize the news industry for, say Iraq War coverage, even though there were several notable examples - including at the big newspapers - who were writing about the lack of WMD in Iraq years before the invasion. (And I defy anyone here to find a better Iraq war reporter than Patrick Cockburn - A PRINT JOURNALIST).
Secondly, the overwhelming majority of reporters are NOT high paid "shills." I'm talking beginning teacher salaries, 30 to 40K a year. Why progressives beat up on fellow working-class people like this is beyond me and completely counter-productive. But that's what progressives are good at. Yelling and screaming and condemning, in the name of principle, large numbers of the very people progressives need in order to successfully organize a large movement. You see it on this board all the time. You know, the progressive purist intellectual masturbation stuff that goes on here