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The Politics of Bank Nationalization
As a response to the financial crisis, the Bush Administration's Troubled Asset Recovery Program (TARP) was woefully inadequate. But its implementation brought to a close a nearly thirty year period during which market deregulation was the touchstone of economic policy. Now, market fundamentalism is dead. As a result of the economic free-fall we are experiencing, the question being asked is whether the government's involvement in the economy is adequately focused or large enough, not whether it should be undertaken at all. Governmental intervention is the new flavor of the month.
But as important as this shift is, it masks an even more important continuity. To obtain office, elected officials still require the financial support of the country's economic elite. In the past, these contributors had the goal of ensuring that their businesses were left alone to pursue their private interests. Now the tide has turned and their viability requires government assistance.
The central actor in this flip-flop has been Wall Street. The financial sector used its campaign contributions to advance economic deregulation. Today, Wall Street continues to be the single most important source of political donations and therefore influence. But now it lobbies for bail-outs, not self-reliance.
Despite the bailouts however, the economic crisis has continued to intensify. This is largely because the financial sector remains dysfunctional. This problem must be solved so that credit can start to flow again. The most straight-forward way to accomplish this objective - an approach the Obama Administration resists - is to nationalize insolvent banks, reorganize them, and then sell them to new owners. Doing so would create a fresh start. And while such an approach obviously would be costly to the government, it would create banks with sound balance sheets and also avoid rewarding those responsible for the present fiasco.
The financial sector vehemently opposes nationalization. To date it has gotten its way. Instead of taking over giant but weak banks, the Obama Administration has chosen instead to provide them with funds in the hope that massive injections of money will rejuvenate them. It is unclear whether this approach - unsuccessful at the moment - will ever work. But what is not in doubt is that the political system still is providing the big campaign funders with their policy preferences.
In this context, the need to reduce the political clout of the financial sector and democratize the political funding system takes on an urgency that can hardly be exaggerated. Clean elections - the public funding of electoral campaigns - have long been thought of as a "good government" process issue. The tendency has been to relegate to it to the political back-burner, especially in a time of crisis. No longer. It now has to be thought of as our best available means to work our way out of the economic debacle.
What is clear is that we need to engage in a wide-ranging and difficult political debate concerning our economic future. The market failures that confront us are the worst that we have seen since the Great Depression. If nationalizing banks or its functional equivalent is to occur, the terms of our political discussions must not be biased by any individual sector, and particularly not by a self-interested financial community.
Nationalizing failed banks will not be an easy sell. The country has had a long romance with markets and the residue of that infatuation persists among significant segments of the population. Such a scheme will evoke a conditioned response of hostility. But dire economic circumstances may well erode that opposition. No one knew before the 1930s that a New Deal would be acceptable to - even desired by - the American people. The 1920s after all, like our current period, was a period of retreat from the progressive reforms of the early decades of the century. It is very likely that today's conventional wisdom too concerning the limits of policy initiatives will be radically altered as the economy continues to fail.
The danger here is that a failure to accept nationalization, joined with a protracted continuation of the current bail-out strategy, risks producing a counter-productive populism. The threat is that taxpayers will rebel against seeing their money thrown into a financial black-hole that produces little or no positive economic response. If such a rebellion occurred, it is at least possible that an atavistic anger could impede the search for financial viability and might even end up with a return to some form of market fundamentalism. After all, if the government botches the job, what choice is there?
As presently structured, our political system is ill-equipped to deal effectively with the economic crisis. To date, the Obama Administration's response to it all too clearly reflects the limited range of options that political funders will tolerate. Widening the policy alternatives requires that wealth no longer dictate the political agenda. Public funding of electoral campaigns - especially at the Congressional level - is critical in order to allow us to grapple effectively with the economic crisis.

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Show AllDo not nationalize the banks. Allow them to fail and pay off the depositors accounts up to $250K. That would cost the taxpayers a lot less than "bailing them out" or nationalizing them.
"To date it has gotten its way. Instead of taking over giant but weak banks, the Obama Administration has chosen instead to provide them with funds in the hope that massive injections of money will rejuvenate them."
Bullshit. Bush gave them $350 billion, not Obama, although undoubtedly Obama will give them the next $350B. It took Bush eight years to destroy the country and the pundits will blame Obama. Typical.
"What is clear is that we need to engage in a wide-ranging and difficult political debate concerning our economic future."
"If such a rebellion occurred, it is at least possible that an atavistic anger could impede the search for financial viability ... "
Financial viability, of course, meaning preserving the wealth of the elites.
"No one knew before the 1930s that a New Deal would be acceptable to - even desired by - the American people."
Right. Except for the 90% of the people not among the financial and industrial elite.
And we could start by demanding legislators actually read the bills they vote on.
"Widening the policy alternatives requires that wealth no longer dictate the political agenda."
That in a nutshell is the argument to eliminate the Federal Reserve, abolish corporate personhood as well as establish publicly funded political campaigns. But to make elections transparent will require the prohibition of all software driven devices (DRE's, central tabulators, optical scanners) from our voting system. Otherwise the tentacles of corporate influence will still be upon our ballots.
The Glue That Holds Chaos Together
Clearly, the neo-con agenda has always been to take away our civil rights, lower our pay, and bring us down to the level of communist China.
Should we not draw a connection between communist China and the Republican Party?
Nationalism is not even the correct term to use. We paid to bail out the banks, therefore we (the tax-paying citizens) own the banks. This is called capitalism. The tax-payers have bought the banks. Having bought the banks, I would like to fire a few people at the top, and reallocate existing funds to best benefit my interests. I would also like to place stringent regulations on the people who owe me money, and I want full disclosure on how these dead-beats are going to pay me back.
The government does not own the banks, the tax-payers do, therefore they can not be nationalized or socialized...their asses were bought and paid for.
THE BIRTH OF THE NEW ERA
This year of 2008 marks the turning point in Terra’s ascension. Today we stand in the hope and understanding that a new era is about to unfold. The birth of this era was marked by the election of a very different type of human to the US presidency. This human is grand master archetype and holds greater ancient wisdom in his genealogy. The ancestors of all time periods are working through and behind this human to help give birth to another way of living together; and he will help anchor a dream for peace upon earth in his time in this position. This is no small task for this human either; and so we must bless and love him in his role; however we see a dream for a great success that will call another way to thinking into all regions of domain in relation to human civilization.
The new way of thinking has to do with the recycling paradigm. In the greed paradigm, everything is about profit and loss. If there is a profit it is perceived as good and if there is a loss it is perceived as bad. If the profit is great then it is perceived as the best. Profit is great regardless of how everything or everyone else loses. If more and more of Terra is destroyed then there is no concern in the paradigm of greed. If more and more humans are enslaved to long working hours or becoming ill due to the toxins in the work or living environment, there is no concern in the paradigm of greed; as the only thing that matters is the profit.
The pure paradigm of greed or waste mentality is not the thought-form of all humans, only a few that generally ends up in dominion in certain cycles within the human dream. The past 500 years has been again another cycle in which this type of human that is waste based has risen into power. Now this cycle of waste shall subside and the cycle of recycling shall be born. Within the human dream is the paradigm of recycling already; and you can see recycling expressed not only in recycling centers wherever they may be in each country, but also amongst humans of a more sharing nature.
Therefore ascension shall cause those operating in greed to evolve into recycling mentality; and because these are the humans most in control over the law, governments and structure of human society, the shift will cause greater sharing and balanced giving and receiving than the greed paradigm currently in power at this time. Recycling thought-form is red nation thought-form, and this is the thought-form that shall dominate the coming times ahead.
What is red nation thought-form? Red nation thought-form strives to exist in balance with one another and in balance with the natural world. Red nation thought-form does not believe in ownership. Nothing is owned, not land or belongings, as they all belong unto Terra or the earth mother. Therefore everything that sustains life is a gift and a gift of earth; everything is freely shared by earth and therefore can be freely shared amongst one another; as there is always abundance that the Earth Mother provides for all creatures upon her, including the human kingdom.
You will see in time and as more and more humans ascend into recycling thought-form that the era of great extremes of poverty and greed shall fade; and a new era of greater sharing and caring shall emerge. However this is only the beginning of the movement of ascension; and there is much more to come. However let us suffice to say that the new era is about to emerge, and that everything shall change in the coming cycles ahead towards the recycling paradigm in human thought-form. As this occurs, resources shall cease to be harvested so greatly of the earth, and she shall regenerate enough to carry on in her ascension; and that humans will learn to experience abundance or a state of just enough to subsist and enjoy the dance of life.
From: The Heart of the Tao through Karen Danrich "Mila"
I am extremely unimpressed with bank and corporate executives. Many are one and the same people that created this cr#p pile of toxic loans due to their loan sharking and greed. As we have seen with the first $350 billion, we are catching the one and the same people using bail out money for bonuses, for buying spas, for conventions in plush Las Vegas hotels, and buying $50 million private jets with penthouse accommodations.
Nationalization would get these guys away from the money so they have no opportunity to abuse the bail out.
I would go further than just getting these guys away from the money, I want to see criminal investigations. For starters, every executive team that manipulated financial information to hide how bad the toxic loan situation need to get prison time.
"I am extremely unimpressed with bank and corporate executives."
Mike:
LOL That would be an understatement. Most people now view them in the same light (or darkness) as we do murderers,crack dealers, rapists, and child molesters.
As long as we allow crooks to remain in charge we will have crooks in charge. This goes both for the public sector and the private sector. I know this is a bit tautological. How do we root them out? Voting won't do it. Making demands won't do it. How? I do have some ideas, but they are probably better left unsaid and unwritten for the nonce.
With the massive deregulation of the financial sector I suspect that putting these crooks behind bars is going to be quite the legal challenge. Like John Yoo’s torture memos that make prosecuting the Bush administration under the statutes prohibiting torture very problematic lenders that wrote the “toxic loans” are going to be hard to prosecute because they did not break any banking regulations. Same with the huge derivatives market, even though some of these derivatives were leveraged at a ratio of 30 parts of liabilities to one part of assets, since there were NO REGULATIONS WHATSOEVER on the derivatives market no laws were broken. The rating agencies that gave the mortgage backed securities far higher ratings than they deserved in retrospect have as a defense that at the time they rated the MBS’s their ratings reflected the commonly held opinions of the marketplace.
As good as it would be to put the crooks that crashed the world economy in the Graybar hotel I think a better path is to utterly destroy the conservative political ideology that lead to our current economic crisis. Greed is not good; it’s greed that led to the banksters ripping off their stock holders, their depositors, and their lending clients. Deregulation is not good, deregulation is what allowed the unchecked greed of the banksters to destroy the financial system. The free market system has no invisible hand that will automatically bring about a perfect economy, if a society chooses to have a market economy the markets must be regulated so resources are allocated in an efficient and equitable manner.
Finally when the financial sector is rebuilt no financial institution can be allowed to be so large that it can not be allowed to fail. For that matter when the economy is rebuilt no business should be so large that it cannot be allowed to fail.
"Nationalizing failed banks will not be an easy sell. The country has had a long romance with markets and the residue of that infatuation persists among significant segments of the population."
Nationalization puts control in the hands of politicians whose major source of campaign funds are banks and corporations. In view of this, we can safely guess who will ultimately benefit and who will lose from nationalization.
As a recent NYTimes article suggested, the best idea is to buy their stock at actual value and distribute equal, non-transferable shares to each American adult. (Giving it to children could stimulate counterproductive population growth as people would have more children to receive more stock). Giving the public equal shares of stock would make the large majority happy and would give each citizen a seat at the table. That "long romance with markets" would be something we can take to the bank.
The ability of the stockholding public to influence bank and corporate decisions would ensure consideration of the public's interest.
"To obtain office, elected officials still require the financial support of the country's economic elite...what is not in doubt is that the political system still is providing the big campaign funders with their policy preferences."
This explains politician's push for bailouts.
That really is a good idea - it would make them more like the credit unions, but public. Can you provide a link to that article, or at least the title?
Oregoncharles
It's a great idea, but for some mysterious reason, the MSM won't run with it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/opinion/12kristof.html?_r=1
rockefeller said [competition in banking is a sin].
"What is clear is that we need to engage in a wide-ranging and difficult political debate concerning our economic future. The market failures that confront us are the worst that we have seen since the Great Depression."
Jay Mandle is absolutely right. Our failures do need to be addressed and corrected, regardless of the losses that will be incured.
Here is an excerpt from one of the most brilliant articles I have ever read on this issue:
“The market is not the economy. It is only one aspect of the economy. A market economy can be viewed as an aberration of human civilization. People trade to compensate for deficiencies in their current state of development. Exploitation is slavery, not trade. Imperialism is exploitation on an international level. Neo-imperialism after the end of the Cold War takes the form of neo-liberal international trade. Free trade cannot exist without protection from systemic coercion." - Economist, Henry CK Liu
Please, take the time to read the entire article: http://henryckliu.com/page181.html
"the economic crisis has continued to intensify. This is largely because the financial sector remains dysfunctional."
False. We have an economic crisis because of a gross excess of capacity combined with an equally gross excess of debt: mountains of goods no one can buy.
The FINANCIAL crisis was a triggering event, the final straw. The last thing we need is more credit, aka debt. In any case, the smaller banks and credit unions are still lending when they have credit-worthy applicants - Nader wrote a glowing piece on the credit unions yesterday(?), right here on CD. They are the real financial system: the giant banks that are now insolvent because they were criminal enterprises are superfluous, vampires out for one last suck.
They should be dissolved by the FDIC, as the law requires. That may exhaust the FDIC's resources, since they are required to pay off the depositors (not shareholders or bondholders who own the banks). Bailing out the FDIC would be a justified action, since stiffing the depositors is both immoral and economically catastrophic - it would make for a truly gigantic run on the banks which really would destroy the financial system.
Oregoncharles
"That may exhaust the FDIC's resources ... "
The FDIC has no resources. It has tax money and borrowed money but it has no resources of its own. Nor does the government. Whenever the government spends money for any reason it is not government money, it is OUR money.
But, yes, it would be much less expensive to just allow the banks to fail and pay off the depositors. The laws were written to handle these situations but the politically connected wealthy bankers are able to subvert that legal system by calling in favors to those they paid to elect. It is ALL fraudulent. And you and I are going to pay and pay and pay. Pony up suckas!
d.k.shaw
DB; problem-- our financial system is based on debt, not wealth. that is the under lying problem.
DB, the monetary system is indeed debt based. Without debt there is no money.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
Watch the movie, it's suitable for grade 8. It's not oversimplified and it's true.
Dave. EVERY dollar in circulation was created by issuance of debt. Every one. And every one has to be repaid with interest. And where does that interest come from? It can only come from the issuance of more debt. People need to remember this. Every single dollar in circulation is ultimately OWED to a bank or to the Federal Reserve. That is why our system IS debt-dependent. At first I didn't believe it either. Dig deeper, man.
d.k.shaw
EKATON; you are correct, every single dollar in circulation is based on debt. that debt is then backed by the promise that it will be paid back including interest. once this does not happen the ponzi scheme falls apart.
DB; NO OFFENSE, but it think you are looking at a snapshot of debt and wealth. it is the system that i am talking about. the leverage system of 10 to 1 to 40 to 1. the issuance of our currency is based on nothing more than the promise that it will be paid back. the illegal federaql reserve is a cartel of banks. then they answer to the [BIS]. BANK OF INTERNATIONAL SETTLEMENTS.
Just let them the companies die if they are insolvent. Although we won't even know if they are for a while now, and it looks like there are not insolvent at this point. The bailouts were a mistake but why make it worse with nationalization. The thing that's suspicious about these Keynesian economists who suggest nationalization is they are the cause of the current crisis. Their solution is always more spending, more debt. And of course as powerful a federal government as needed, and as this article shows they will always be finding a new reason for more power to be needed. Intervention builds on itself creating need for more intervention. And power corrupts...
As wrong-headed as the past intervention was best to stop it now. If you are really concerned about taking power away from Wall Street and corporate banks, read Nader's great article about credit unions published here yesterday. Nationalizing banks will hardly be a shift in power from Wall Street elite nor would it be a fresh start as long as there is still opportunity for shady accounting practices like mark-to-market and reporting operating earnings that exclude write-offs. Also there shouldn't be such insanely loose monetary policy that would lead to demented bubbles that would encourage a frenzy of people trying to make quick money from structured asset-backed securities. We need more sensible and honest financial practices both on a national and personal level. Economists and the federal government have been discouraging this by discouraging savings. And now their answer is more spending, more debt, more intervention, more federal power.
Just as Greenspan, and Keynesian economists like Krugman and this guy probably, have been pushing us to use cheap fixes with moral hazards that only dug us in deeper in the past couple decades so were the bailouts a cheap fix and so will nationalization of banks be. And we will be in just as bad shape as ever. Just let it end at this point! It might be tough briefly but just let it end and let's move on after it. Stop the fed from managing the economy with every cheap sleazy trick in the book (or off the books I should say since the fed themselves are now suspiciously changing their accouting practices with the discontinuation of M3 reporting).
Nationalizing the banks without addressing all of these other issues is a mistake. Actually nationalizing the banks even with addressing them is a mistake, since it is one of the issues. And it is a continuation of the same Keynesian politics that got us in this mess. Economists like Paul Krugman, a one-time advisor for Enron, always push for more liquidity, more spending, more debt. But there has been too much liquidity, too much borrowing. That is the problem not the solution. As a matter of fact they wanted and argued for the bailouts last year and now that they have proven to be a mistake they want to argue for even more federal power. Another thing that bothers me is this political talk that seems to say Keynesian economics and a powerful federal government that merges corporate and government interests are the good side of a class war. Reaganomics was also Keynesian in many respects. And not to be too dramatic but these same arguments were used in Nazi Germany. If there are similarities between the passing of the Patriot Act to fascism (which there are) as I have so often read in the past decade, there are certainly similarities in the extreme Keynesian economic policies, nationalization possiblities and increased military action that seems to be the path the country is on today.
" ... a powerful federal government that merges corporate and government interests ... " is the very definition of fascism.
d.k.shaw
The threat of nationalization could also be used as a lever to ram through various reforms instead. Pass these or nationalize! Nationalization is a big gun. Why pull the trigger with haste?
What kind of reforms? How about mandatory renegotiation of various classes of ripoff loans instead of an expensive government financed bailout?
It needs to be made illegal for any organization receiving massive bailout money to lobby politicians or finance their campaigns. Violators need to be fined and face jail time.
This financial crisis has been organized by the international banksters for the purpose of establishing a New World Bank (global central bank) which will give them total control over each nation by becoming the lender of last resort (carbon credits anyone?, but first drop your social welfare spending and live within your means). Kissinger has linked the crisis with the need for Global Governance, and others have called for an end of the dollar as the worlds reserve currency.
They want us to nationalize them, and them are the major shareholders of the Fed. Greenspan, Sir Bubbles himself, is on record as recommending this, proving it is what they want. The reason is so they have enough money to buy shares in the new World Bank which will be a privately owned bank, since right now they are technically bankrupt. This support for a New World Bank will increase once hyperinflation as a result of the stimulation and bailouts leads to a complete dollar collapse (don't be fooled by the dollars recent strength).
The Fed right now is monetizing toxic waste, creating money out of thin air backed by the toxic waste which they receive from the banks in exchange for dollars they create, or government securities held by the Fed. Once we nationalize the banks who are the biggest shareholders of the Fed, the ownership of this toxic waste reverts to we the people, and are no longer a liability to the banks that we have bought out.
As for nationalization, we should not do it, this means buying out the shareholders. If a bank is insolvent, the government simply needs to take it over, the shareholders lose all, they are bankrupt. Once the bank is protected from it's creditors via bankruptcy, it remains in operation while being reorganized and restored to health, and it can then be sold at a profit. But nobody is pushing that, since the banksters won't profit from this, and the creditors who are large international banksters on the winning side of bets called derivatives won't be happy, since their winnings won't be paid off, they will be written off.
However, if we were to nationalize the large commercial banks, god forbid, the funding should come from the Federal Reserve through the direct purchase of government securities with money they create out of thin air, and where they are obliged to refund over 85% of the interest. These securities should not be transferrable (eg exchanging them for toxic waste and requiring us to pay interest to entities who do not need to refund the interest). Not quite the same as issuing greenbacks but close enough, and certainly much better than monetizing toxic waste.
However, since the government forced the Fed to refund the interest since the 70's, they have been a reluctant direct buyer of government securities and have forced the government to find buyers of these securities, like the Chinese, which requires that full interest to be paid. Patriotism and banking don't get along, since banksters are the leading Globalists (when I refer to banksters I am not referring to those in local banks but those executives of large US banks with international operations).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12394
MI MI; EXCELLENT. now where does the [BIS] come in to play?
BIS is the worlds defacto head of the national central banks, but has no money creation authority. It was created in 1930 and is owned by some of the same large banks that own the Fed today. They precipitated the whole crisis with Basel I accord (1988, same year Sir Bubbles took over the Fed, which encouraged banks to move securities off their balance sheets) and Basel II accords (effective in 2008 in Europe which forced the toxic waste back onto the balance sheets and raised the banks capital requirements). Some might call it an accident (grin). The international banksters want global control of credit, no longer content to work under national restrictions. Globalization is their religion.
MIMI; have you seen this. could this be the beginning of the completion of the tripod?http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a.JcokL8WGfM&refer=home
Yes, almost. The trilateralization of the global economy began in 1973 with the founding of the Trilateral Commission by Rockefeller and Brzezinski. The last 35 years has been about transferring wealth from Europe and North America to Asia, first to Japan, then the 4 Asian Tigers, and now China and India, a process WTO and Globalization has accelerated, in order to to equalize the global wealth between the regions so as to provide a stable foundation for what is to come.
In any Global order, there will be a breakdown into multiple regions for local control. Anglo-North America, Europe, Asia are the Big 3, but in the end there will be anywhere between 10-12 regions in the Global Republic, each region playing a specific primary role (eg agriculture, finance, manufacturing, natural resources, etc). A number of Asian countries have already begun the move to a carbon trading scheme which is already underway in Europe and being sold in North America using Global warming as the pretext. The new global currency run by a New World Central Bank is likely to be based on carbon credits, the black gold standard if you will.
Since 1973 there have been a series of shocks all manufactured to get us to where we are, and more to come in order for us to reach the final destination. The tripod is almost ready to be mounted, assuming China is onboard, if not, well....
After the last Great Depression, which really took off in 1930 at the time the BIS was established, coincidentally or not, we needed WW II to establish the foundations of the international system via the UN, get us out of the depression, end the British Empire and colonialism, and install a pro-western state in the Middle East (Israel) to destabilize it and prevent Arab nationalism from taking roots. We also need a Cold War to maintain the Military Industrial Complex, and an excuse to run huge budget deficits to profit the banksters, and maintain a perpetual state of terror and national emergency to reduce freedoms, so allowing the Communists to take over 1/2 the world was huge to reaching the current state.
The British Empire was replaced by the Anglo-American Empire which used debt to control smaller nations economies, as opposed to the occupation of colonialism, and the resulting occupation of Japan and Germany gave us a global military presence without the colonialism.
I believe it's possible China is onboard with the NWO, not so sure about Russia, so it's likely the next war, if needed, will center on finishing the Great Game as well. This was always one of Brzezinskis pet projects, he is a war hawk with his eyes focused on Russia. Of course, Democracy is not part of the future, most of the Globalists are Marxists.
MIMI; i used the same analogy of the tripod on a different site. we are 100% on the same page. the major question is china, and russia. i am not very settled on this yet. perhaps they will be a region together. or part of a region. all out war i do not see. just more energy proxy wars. i think russia can go with the west or the east. they can not stay on the fence much longer. china and russia just made a huge oil for capital guarantee deal. we are becoming a HAMBURGER HELPER REPUBLIC, they might just pass the nau all together. and go straight to an internal external dollar. china will dictate this. after china makes a few financial moves, then we will know about their agenda with the nwo.
Alan MacDonald
Professor Mandle accurately states, "the need to reduce the political clout of the financial sector and democratize the political funding system takes on an urgency that can hardly be exaggerated."
But, Professor, not only is there a compelling need to "democratize the political funding system" --- there's a compelling need to 'democratize the banking system'.
"Democratization of the banks" is the term that should be used --- not 'nationalization'.
My strong advice to Obama would be call it the "democratization of banks" and Wall Street.
The radical right lying PR noise-machine is going to continue to tar Obama as another Chavez or Castro if they can set the terms of this debate with the loaded term 'nationalization'.
Using the evasive, guileful, and even propagandistic term, "nationalization" of the banks (or financial sector) is an extreme media disservice, distortion, and even deceit to the American people.
Instead of this fear/scare term 'nationalization' of banks, a truthful and truly democratic media would use the honest term, "democratization of the banking system".
The bottom line is that the banking system is now one of unchallenged, unelected, and ruthless EMPIRE, and it must be brought into the service of 'the people' under the control of our indivisible democracy --- just as every aspect of our political, social and economic lives, as free and voluntary members of a self-governing democracy entails of all spheres of our shared lives --- except for the separate and non-interfering sphere of religion, as defined in our Constitution.
A free and democratically representative Republic of self-governing people can not allow an uncontrolled Empire to exist within the economic heart of its Republic --- else Franklin's greatest concern will come true, "We have our Republic now, if we can keep it (from economic Empire)"
FDR knew that the “economic royalists” must be confronted by democracy ---- although he should have gone one step further and defined the “economic royalists” for what they truly are: a ruling-elite ‘corporate financial Empire’ hiding within the heart of our democratic commonwealth.
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It is my opinion that we are seeing the beginning of the end of this republic. The mask has dropped from the face of the ruling elite, and we can see clearly who runs the program and for whom.
Noam Chompsky told about who runs the game and how decades ago.
At least, we won't have to waste our time and energy pretending to vote for change we can believe in.
HT; they select so we may elect. either way they win. their paymaster is the same and the agenda is the same. the clock is ticking. tick-tock-tick-tock.
If the banks are nationalized, the government will become the owner of the banks’ good and bad assets and it will have to assume the banks’ contractual obligations towards their creditors, investors, and account holders. In particular, any contractual guarantees given by the banks to the owners of now-worthless risky “innovative” financial vaporware will become de facto contractual obligations of the government towards these owners.
If we ignore small-fry investors, pension funds etc., these owners are greedy domestic and foreign trillionaires who bought the financial vapor ware with full knowledge of its risks. These trillionaires will lose humongous amounts of money and hence will lose much, if not most, of their economic and political power, if the “financial system” is not saved by the taxpayers.
That’s why the trillionaires have mobilized bribed economists, journalists, and politicians and ordered them to call wolf about the cataclysms that will ensue if the “financial system” fails. “Saving the financial system” is indeed the obfuscating phrase invented by these bribed economists, journalists, and politicians to try saving this neo-feudal class of trillionaires that is “essential“ to what “America stands for” and to “how things should be after we help them out”, as the “radical” Paul Krugman has put it in print repeatedly.
As you may remember, in the middle ages whenever the feudal class created a mess they “rescued themselves” for the “sake of the country” by taxing the hell out of the serfs and the bourgeois, but now with “the triumph of liberty” all of that has changed… yeah right!
Nationalizing the banks will open the gates to all kinds of pompous declarations by congress demoblicans about the government’s solemn duty to honor the contractual commitments that came with the “act of nationalization” bla bla bla, so they can save their trillionaire friends amidst an apotheosis of self-righteous complacency and flag waving.
Let’s not give them that chance to demonstrate so much loyal friendship. There is no need to save the trillionaires, regardless of how much money they have given to economists, journalists, and politicians and of whether the flow of bribes may stop if the trillionaires fail for good. The banks should be allowed to go through an orderly bankruptcy that preserve their real-economy presence and protect the savings of their non-reckless customers up to say 200k per account and up to say 1 million total net worth per person (IRS-declared), where a sliding scale could be used that reflect how "aggressive" the interest-gathering strategy chosen by each account holder was and the extent to which the account holder chose risky “lucrative’ financial-speculation products over investments in actual production. The necessary paper trail is available…
One should fire everybody in the *failed* banks' upper management (because they failed, duh!) except for whistle blowers and those essential to day-to-day operations, for those managing customer accounts, and for those having expertise in evaluating loans applications by companies that produce actual goods, be they trinkets, essential insurance products, etc.
Social criteria like protecting pensions could also be used by simply dividing the amount invested by each pension by the number of people the pension represents in order to determine what the pension can get in terms of protection and for which individual accounts (since pension-holders who chose especially reckless financial-speculation products should be protected less).
So it’s not time to nationalize the losses of this self-anointed neo-feudal class of trillionaires masters of the universe. Rather, it’s time to shut down their failed banks, to let the greediest investors bite the dust, to claw back any bailout money given so far to them and the banks, and to use this money to jump start the flow of credit into the economy after “nationalizing” (hiring back!) the banks’ existing experts in locating, evaluating, financing, and following-through worthy entrepreneurial ventures in real production and giving them a new institutional backing and responsibilities.
This crisis must teach harsh lessons to the most reckless of investors and bankers, and spare those investors and bankers who tried the hardest to stay away from the greedy madness of the last 30 years, even if only for moral reasons.
Would anyone on the internet with solutions to the current economic mess please preface their remarks by stating qualifications: advanced degreee(s) held; university affiliation (tenure); list of publications; awards received, etc.?
This would be to separate the wheat from the chaff, you understand. I love you all, but some of your ideas seem a bit wild and woolly--especially the conspiracy theories wherein the evil bankers have engineered their own collapse...and fooled everyone in the world except the conspiracy theorist. A resume might save time.
PS: The Federal Reserve is not privately owned, no matter how many times they say it is.
Myst
"Would anyone on the internet with solutions to the current economic mess please preface their remarks by stating qualifications: advanced degreee(s) held; university affiliation (tenure); list of publications; awards received, etc.?"
What you are asking for is the typical human mindset, one formed by a combination of bad social programming, mass indoctrination and faulty education. This is the same mindset that have taken us down this road. It is time for people with other practical life experiences to step up and be heard. Some times "wild and woolly" and messy vitality is called for. Like now.
I like the remark that the political system is structurally unable to deal with the financial mess. Indeed, indeed.
But an understatement, isn't it? The present system is unable to deal with pretty much everything it faces. We are still valiantly struggling to manage affairs of the 21st Century with a political tool designed in the 18th.
The only thing that has not changed is the political system, still representative, still corruptible, still slow and uncertain, and still here.
If the current mess doesn't demonstrate its inadequacy, what on earth will?
The supreme court is not in the habit of allowing campaign finance reform to stand. They struck down most of McCain Feingold, and that was before Roberts and Alito were appointed.
Therefore, it would take a constitutional ammendment to get any type of reform. Let's see, the last ammendment was, I believe, to increase congress' pay. Do you really think anybody would push through an ammendment, or even try, that would decrease the money lining their pockets?
Oh, I have no advanced degrees. Therefore I can't be blamed for this current crises. But I sure saw it coming. That's a pretty dumb suggestion Perry Logan, that only people with advanced degrees could possibly have anything smart to say. It sounds conservative-elitist to me.
I hope you people know that you can always join a credit union and ditch the banks. The more people opt out of banks and switch to credit unions, the more banks will be forced to either come clean or collapse. How hard is that?
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
ANYONE can join a credit union????
"According to all myth, the female - not the male -- gives life"
this piece is more of the same blather we find in the petition attached to 'President Obama: It's Time to Nationalize Insolvent Banks,' so i'll just repeat my comments on it here. excerpts from the petition are marked with '>'.
> We, therefore, call on you to stand up for the change the
> American people voted for by nationalizing the insolvent banks.
> It's time to wipe out the bank investors,
what about people who put their retirement money into banking stocks, etc?? we need to put the banking system under bankruptcy protection in which (a) it's useful functions (the generation of credit to support a real economy) are preserved and (b) only the legitimate claims against the banks are honored to the degree compatible with (a). OTHER CLAIMS AND WORTHLESS 'ASSETS' NEED TO BE WRITTEN OFF.
> fire the management,
for sure, fire the 'big' players. but what about officers at the regional and local levels? a lot of these people are productive contributors and are even more aghast than you and I at what's been happening for the last ten years.
> clean the banks up by selling the toxic assets,
sell them to whom? you can't be serious. the worthless paper needs to be written off in bankruptcy proceeding.
> and then sell
> the banks back to the private sector.
right. so they can f*** up again. at the level of high finance, we need to go back to a national bank controlled by the electorate. for sure, this arrangement will have its problems, but they will be nothing compared to putting the big bank in private hands. at the local level we need to leave the decisions to bank managers committed to a renewal of our productive economy.
if the article had appeared in the mainstream media it would not alarm me anymore than their usual drivel, but appearing on CD it is absolutely dangerous. the ideas are exactly the kind of propaganda the useless eaters want to hear from the left.
WOW!!! This has been great reading, including the diversion to one of my favorites, Henry CK Liu. (Although he could use a really good editor, although probably very hard to find...)
I think I've finally come to a solution. Do NOT nationalize the filed banks, and stop putting any more public money into them and try to get back what Paulson and Bernanke have put into them through the Treasury and the Fdddd because that has all been fraudulent and they knew it from Day One and the evidence here is Paulson's three-page threatening note to the Congress last FALL.
What is needed and was needed is natural bankruptcy, as with any other monetarized entity including you and me---except first we need to restore the bankruptcy and foreclosure laws to pre-Biden, Dodd, Clinton, Bush, and Gramm, and then put bankruptcy of the banks and everyone else into relevant COURTS OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION. There is a process in place for this, as the actions of the FDIC have shown for many months. Sometimes it is good to have competent bureaucrats.
The U.S. government is trying to "bail out" bankrupt banks at a time when nobody can afford credit. The government is trying to bankrupt the public through future taxation by "injecting liquidity" into a system in which nobody can afford liquidity. Notice that yesterday, as the the stock market went red, the commodities market went green, again, because those who still have assets are seeking stable investments, which $5 shares (and well below) in big banks aren't. (Probably the worst case scenario right now is GE, the Banking arm of which may be bringing down a huge industrial machine, a huge mistake Mr Welch.)
Every home foreclosure in America has far more a local impact than a global impact. Thus the local courts in such cases should be declared of COMPETENT JURISDICTION. If county sheriffs in some jurisdictions as at least one in the upper Midwest has, refuse to serve foreclosure papers, and if the locals like that, so be it. In these times of "creative destruction" and Naomi Klein's definition of Disaster Capitalism, it is time to get the federal government and the big boys on Wall Street off our backs, and squat in the territory we have spent years and decades trying to declare our own.
Thus a simple question arises. Does the Obama stimulus package include funding of local COURTS OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION TO HIRE more accountants, or actuaries, to put LOCAL value to the homes being foreclosed, or the small businesses filing for bankruptcy, etc. Actually, personal foreclosure pretty much equals bankruptcy and ought to be re-treated as such and treated to a little more DIGNITY.
Actually, if you think about it, what would be wrong with all of us declaring ourselves non-profit 501(c)(3) corporations, with serious intent, including every Indian Reservation from Florida to Alaska?
The huge issue that the current thrashing in Washington is having trouble addressing is How to Value Toxic Assets. They cannot because the situation is too fluid (liquid without liquidity...). Thus one big obstacle to it is the issue of "mark to market." What MARKET. There is no market. Asl 20 economists and you will get 30 opinions, except now for perhaps the first time in three decades the Keynesians are in the ascendancy a la FDR, except this time things are VASTLY different.
Going into this disaster I tended Keynesian but then I realized that in his math model he was starting from a point where the government(s) had very little debt while today the opposite is true. At this most basic level, his model cannot now work.
George W. Bush intentionally bankrupted the United States. I welcome being sent to Guantanamo for asserting this claim because I believe it can be proven, as Time is proving.
The big banks have gone for "globalization" on the neoliberal model. They were very wrong. I knew that a long time ago. I predicted their failure. I should not have to pay for their failure and neither should you on Main Street. They practiced this economis on so-caled "third-world" economies like Viet Nam and Chile and Argentina and Haiti and now they intend to practice it on us.
Grow gardens and get active in your local governance. And don't waste your time writing to your Congressperson unless we plan it as a plague of locusts. They aren't listening.
"Nationalization" of the big banks cannot save us.
As the classical economist Michael Hudson has been observing for many months at counterpunch.org and no doubt other sites, what is sought by the central government is "reinflation" of the debt market. It is no longer possible. For starters, we have an excess in the housing supply because people cannot afford to buy the excess supply. It was a Ponszi scheme that deflated REAL (Main Street) assets by ripping interest off the top. This ripping is global. It is parasites killing the host. It has been since Reagan. At least. If not Nixon "decoupling" the Dollar from Gold and Bretton Woods in 1971.
If CD readers and writers will give me opportunity to cut to the chase here as it has been a long day and we are not yet up to publishing like the Council on Foreign Relations, we need to eliminate the dichotomy imposed in the past, "act globally, think locally,"and vice aversa, an utterly false dichotomy.
We are in a Depression. Nothing like this one has ever occurred before. We must call upon ourselves to do the best we can and to work with those around us to call upon our best angles/angels and take back our government. I'm sending you a stimulus check worth around $13 a week? Are you kidding me? I am dying here. Another few months and I won't be able to afford aspirin to kill a heart attack---and by the way, how many people actually manufacture, versus MARKET,
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