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Feinstein: Bad Choice for Intelligence
Ignoring the pleas of those calling for a more credible figure, Senate Democrats have instead chosen Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) to lead the Senate Committee on Intelligence. Feinstein was among those who falsely claimed in 2002 despite the lack of any apparent credible evidence that Saddam Hussein had somehow reconstituted Iraq's arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, as well as its nuclear weapons program.
She used this supposed threat to justify her vote in October 2002 to grant President George W. Bush the unprecedented authority to invade Iraq. Most congressional Democrats voted against the resolution. So it is particularly disturbing that Democrats would award the coveted Intelligence Committee chair to someone from the party's right-wing minority.
She took this extreme hawkish position out of her own predilection, not because of political pressure. Indeed, Senator Feinstein acknowledged at the time of her vote that calls and emails to her office were overwhelmingly opposed to her supporting Bush's war plans. She decided to ignore her constituents and vote in favor of the resolution anyway.
Background to the Vote
Public opinion polls in the fall of 2002 showed a majority of Americans would support a U.S. invasion of Iraq only if it posed a serious threat to the national security of the United States. Unfortunately for Senator Feinstein and others eager for the United States to conquer that oil-rich country, Iraq wasn't a threat to the United States. Though Iraq once had an arsenal of chemical weapons as well as an active chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons development program, these were all destroyed or otherwise eliminated by the mid-1990s, as were their missiles and other delivery systems. With strict sanctions prohibiting imports of requisite technologies and raw materials, and a lack of adequate internal capacity to produce them in Iraq, it was physically impossible for the Iraqis to have reconstituted its "weapons of mass destruction" (WMDs).Former chief UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter had briefed Senator Feinstein before the 2002 vote, and presented evidence that Iraq had achieved at least qualitative disarmament and could in no way be a threat to U.S. national security. According to Ritter, "I had her look me in the eye and I asked her if she had seen any credible evidence contradicting my conclusions. She said she had not."
Similarly, I was among a number of scholars, arms control analysts, and other constituents who briefed her staff on how given the ongoing strict international sanctions imposed on that country and rigorous UN inspections through the end of 1998 there was no way for Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to have reconstituted his biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons programs. Citing reports from the UN, reputable think tanks, and recognized arms control experts as well as articles from respected peer-reviewed academic journals we thought we had made a convincing case that Iraq was no longer a threat to the United States or its neighbors.
Despite all this, Senator Feinstein insisted that Iraq somehow remained a "consequential threat" to the national security of the United States and claimed that Iraq still possessed biological and chemical weapons. And, in an effort to defend Bush's call for a U.S. invasion, she tried to discredit the UN inspections regime that had successfully disarmed Iraq by falsely claiming that "arms inspections, alone, will not force disarmament."
Similarly, even though the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency had correctly noted in 1998 that Iraq's nuclear program had been completely eliminated, Feinstein also falsely claimed that Saddam Hussein "is engaged in developing nuclear weapons."
When asked about such exaggerated claims regarding Iraq's military prowess, she insisted that she was somehow "privy to information that those in California are not." However, despite repeated requests to her office to make public what she was supposedly privy to, the only information her office provided has been the White House's summary of a 2003 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE). Based on the testimony of a handful of disreputable Iraqi exiles, this NIE met with widespread derision at the time of its release for its clearly inaccurate and politicized content.
Feinstein's supporters insist that her false claims about Iraqi WMDs were an honest mistake. But Ritter and other critics argue that it wasn't just ignorance and stupidity that led Feinstein to make these false statements about Iraq's military capabilities. She may very well have lied about the WMDs in order to frighten the public into supporting a U.S. takeover of that oil-rich country. Whether out of deceit or unawareness, however, Feinstein is clearly not suited to chair the committee.
Consequences of the Vote
I was also among a number of scholars specializing in the Middle East who warned Senator Feinstein that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would likely spark a disastrous armed insurgency, sectarian violence, and an increase in anti-American extremism in the Middle East and beyond. Despite this awareness of the likely consequences, however, she insisted that the United States should invade Iraq anyway. Such a decision raises serious questions as to whether she has the ability to rationally assess the costs and benefits of national security policies, which someone chairing the Intelligence Committee presumably should possess.If her real goal was to protect our country from Iraq's alleged "weapons of mass destruction," however, she would have presumably called for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops once they invaded and occupied Iraq and discovered that there really weren't such weapons after all. It should have also been obvious that the longer U.S. troops stayed in that country, with its long tradition of resistance to foreign invaders, the more likely it would provoke a major armed insurgency and the rise of extremists groups. Despite this, Feinstein called on American troops to remain in Iraq for more than four years after the invasion. She voted to send hundreds of billions of dollars worth of taxpayers' money to support Bush's war effort even as California sank deeper and deeper into fiscal crisis.
During this occupation, U.S. authorities helped to rewrite the country's economic laws to allow American corporations to take over Iraqi industries and repatriate 100% of profits. Under U.S. tutelage, the new Iraqi government slashed corporate taxes and provided generous oil concessions to American conglomerates. In this way, the war has been extremely profitable for some giant corporations. Among these were the firms URS and Perini, both of which Feinstein's husband served as the majority owner. The Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee, under her leadership, steered government contracts to these very companies.
The Democratic Party's decision to appoint as head of the Senate Intelligence Committee someone with such a history of dubious judgment on intelligence matters is hardly new. The party chose Jay Rockefeller (WV) who is leaving his post to chair the Commerce Committee to chair the Intelligence Committee in January 2007, although he also made false claims about Iraq's WMD programs similar to those of Feinstein in order to justify his vote in favor of the invasion.
In the world of Senate Democrats, therefore, it appears that the quickest path to leadership in Intelligence comes from getting things wrong.
Stephen Zunes is a Foreign Policy In Focus senior analyst and a professor of politics at the University of San Francisco.



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The only way to improve this headline is by adding a semicolon and "Worse Choice for Integrity".
· Yr Obd't Servant
This Fine Stone looks to me more like a Flintstone from the time of the dinosaurs.
I believe there were only 22 Democratic Senators and 1 Republican (Lincoln Chaffey) who voted against the Iraq invasion. Any one of them who are still in the Senate should lead the intelligence committee. Russ Feingold would be my choice. I wonder if we'll ever truly know why that vote was overwhelmingly approved when the intelligence was all wrong and now everyone admits it. That is the precise reason I would not vote for Hillary Clinton - because she voted with Bush.
Sioux Rose
JUDITH: I think the obvious answer to your question is found in the sinister relationship between the gigantic military industrial complex and the over-all state of the U.S. economy. I wonder if Diane Feinstein also has major military contractors in her district? Her glaring repudiation of her own constituents desires (she's supposed to be THEIR representative), along with her choosing a policy of destruction (of Iraq) when ample evidence to the contrary was placed before her, shows that she, like far too many, is a whore to power. The thing most figures that have seen advancement in their political careers hold in common is a willingness to show loyalty to the manufacturers of war. Maybe beyond a test of fealty to the American Constitution (which is of late routinely maligned in terms of the usurpation of a number of guarantees of the Bill of Rights) would-be leaders must define an oath of allegiance to peace and the rights of all human beings to live in their respective nations without threat of unwarranted attack.
By fomenting terrorism, now it could be argued a military is necessary in America? How many of us believe that the war of aggression PURPOSELY undertaken by Bush and his supporters on both sides of the aisle is NOT going to lead to some form of blowback IN our homeland? The adversary Bush rushed after like a blind Don Quixote, now in fact exists. Heck of a job, style.
Rockefeller, Pelosi, Feinstein, and so many others show they will tow the party line, regardless of facts, any faint humanitarian notion, or the slightest belief in Universal Law... which means that acting in a manner that harms, will necessarily create a metaphysical cause and effect relationship that might as well read "return to sender." Cosmic postage, not included.
.False flag alert:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/04/22/MN310531.DTL
Army contract for Feinstein's husband
Blum is a director of firm that will get up to $600 million
David R. Baker, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 22, 2003
URS Corp., a San Francisco planning and engineering firm partially owned by California Sen. Dianne Feinstein's husband, landed an Army contract Monday worth up to $600 million.
The award to help with troop mobilization, weapons systems training and anti-terrorism efforts is the latest in a string of plum defense jobs snared by URS. In February, the firm won an army engineering and logistics contract that could bring in $3.1 billion during the next eight years.
Government contracting has come under increasing scrutiny by Congress and citizen groups, with critics decrying the political connections of firms winning lucrative jobs. Richard Blum, Feinstein's husband, serves on the company's board of directors and controls about 24 percent of the firm's stock,
according to Hoover's Inc. research firm.
A Feinstein spokesman Monday declined to comment on the contract.
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I say false flag because, even though hubby is a defense contractor ( partially anyway) I think her vote for that awful war was based, not upon her family self interest, but on the interests of a party ( her own) bound and determined to ignore the best interests of this nation in favor of the self interest of the Democrats.
While the author wrote that Feinstein is in the minority of her party I think him wrong indeed! The Democrats were every bit as hawkish as the GOP, pretty close any way......
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Feinstein is an opportunist who ended up where she is because of the assassination of Harvey Milk. Her district is replete with military contractors. Feinstein has shown a craven callousness throughout her career. It is a huge mistake to put Dianee Feinstein in charge of anything, let alone the Intelligence Committee where she will continue to betray the people she represents.
.Falling off the deep end.......can you still hear me down there?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianne_Feinstein
Mayor of San Francisco
As mayor of San Francisco, 1978-1988
On November 27, 1978, San Francisco mayor George Moscone and supervisor Harvey Milk were assassinated by a rival politician, Dan White, who had resigned from the Board of Supervisors only two weeks prior. Later that day at a press conference originally organized by Moscone to announce White's successor, Feinstein announced the assassinations to the stunned public, stating: "As president of the board of supervisors, it's my duty to make this announcement. Both Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk have been shot and killed."[11] As president of the Board of Supervisors, Feinstein automatically ascended to the mayoral position on December 4. She served out the remainder of the term and was elected in her own right in 1979 and re-elected in 1983.
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While one is free to charge that Feinstein ascended to the office of the Mayor because the previous mayor was killed along with Harvey Milk it must be noted that, as she was already President of the board of Supervisors here, her career was already in ascension prior to those ill fated events.
To note that her district is replete with defense contractors seems to forget that, as a Senator, her district is California, replete with actors, authors, plumbers and firemen too....I would have to say, judging by your hyperbolic nonsense that you know little to nothing about the subject in question. Most of her career is typified by a progressive stance on many, many issues, and some pretty wrongheaded stuff too.....typical democrat, typical politician.
If it seems I am picking on you personally I apologize, I am simply fed up with sound and fury signifying nothing.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
In searching for an explanation to Feinstein's support for the US invasion of, and persistence in, Iraq, one could consider the degree of her allegiance to her religious heritage and to her husband's business interests in the Middle East. I don't know why one must look elsewhere to explain the behavior.
."I don't know why one must look elsewhere to explain the behavior."
Well, one reason might be so you are not thought an idiot....
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
camus13
Her husband is Richard Bloom has had contacts from the defense department.
But she as you would expect did not vote on these money makers.
This is the biggest joke in the world to put her anywhere near the military.
As the days pass I see less and less hope for this country. The Inside the
Beltway crowd (including Obama) has shown that it's so easy to screw the people that voted for him and why. As for congress it is line my pocket or else.
And as for criminal charges against Bush and crowd is not good for the country ect ect ect. But you or I damn well better not break the law.
Is this country worth living in anymore........I think not.
.Christ on a crutch, Her husbands name is Richard Blum, you and that jerk below cant even get the name right how can you get the facts either?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Hold on here! You have to know who her husband is, David C Blum.
Blum had two contracts with the Department of Defense: one for over 750 million dollars and another for over 790 million dollars...But wait, he formed an air cargoe company with Feinstein's legal advisor, Mr. Klein, and they got another contract for shipping goods to the Middle East with a ????????value...Blum Capital Investment seems to have close working relationship with Carlyle Group.
Dianne Feinstein's interests are her own economic gains. The term "Conflict of Interest" has no meaning any more....As many Conservative Blue Dog Democrats voted to invade Iraq for personal gain.....Feinstein was no different.
Too bad over 1.2 million Iraqis are dead and nobody cares, least of all Senator Feinstein. Those, over, 4,000 dead Americans earned her and her husband well over a billion dollars.
Sioux Rose
HERBERT: Thank you for mentioning conflict of interest. Cheney and Halliburton, Ms. Rice and Exxon (was that the oil company that named the tanker after her?), and all those defense department X-generals who end up with expense accounts at weapons' production companies. Seems that with the total loss of integrity, conflict of interest ceased to matter to too many; and then with the way the news frames issues, few realize the degree to which this financial incest is underway.
Condi Rice was a Chevron Director from 1991 until January 15, 2001. Check your facts or it just makes comments not seem credible. The facts are incredible enough.
.Ms. Rose
She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula . In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.
(from her White House bio)
Shortly after her entry into the Bush 43 White House I noticed, while driving near Martinez, Ca., a tanker docked and pumping, it was called the "Condoleeza Rice".....
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
I imagine Dickie Bloom, Feinstein's enormously wealthy hubby, has made a killing from the invasion and occupation of Iraq. He's the type. She wouldn't have married anyone else.
Credible evidence VS Incredible greed: that's a no-brainer.
As a longtime San Franciscan I can say that Dianne "just loves her a man in uniform."
She may be relied upon to make any decision along that line.
And, before making the inevitable wrong decision, she will take the issue "under careful consideration" before releasing it to the public on Friday afternoon.
You can put money on it.
I can't believe you San Franciscans voted Peelowsick over Sheehan. What's the matter with San Francisco ?
Pelosi's position as Spiker of the Horse brings a lot of money into the City. That's why she won.
.Does the horse object to such ill treatment?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
.As a long time San Franciscan you are certainly aware of the myriad of progressive decisions and leanings she has held throughout her long career. Your assertion that "she loves her a man in uniform" is cryptic at best and unattributed at worst.
Her movement to the right simply is a product of the boat she sails upon, the Democratic Party's own rightward course. I sometimes despair the way political dialogue has become so unproductive, so personalized and so anti intellectual.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Feinstein has always had the desires of her class foremost in her portfolio. Anything "progressive" she's done has been sheer politics.
She's supposed to be a leader, so don't give her a pass on being "carried away" by her party.
.You speak from a lack of knowledge, insight or political acumen. Sad , very, very sad that you would think such nonsense welcome here or contributory to intelligent debate. If you had a modicum of intellectual curiosity you could actually search for and find her voting record , a lengthy one considering her long service in politics. You might be rather surprised to find her a rather liberal on the record.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Well, now you cannot blame GOP senators in our states alone. I'm no fan of the GOP but when the Democrats do the same, I get mad and feel like shooting them in the face for TARGET PRACTICE !
.Errr, please try to stifle such leanings.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Yes we can, change, hope, etc. Right.
"The core values of our open society, the ability to think for oneself, to draw independent conclusions, to express dissent when judgment and common sense indicate something is wrong, to be self-critical, to challenge authority, to understand historical facts, to separate truth from lies, to advocate for change and to acknowledge that there are other views, different ways of being, that are morally and socially acceptable, are dying.
Obama used hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign funds to appeal to and manipulate... illiteracy and irrationalism to his advantage.... "
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21239.htm
Lets face it, when the majority of people are what they are, and will never be anything different since they are a product of the system and laws of nature, we will continue to elect the same sorts that give us same same and call it change change. Thats why our Founding Fathers gave us a Republic and not a Democracy.
The people should never have been be allowed to directly vote for the Senate and President, but today the Federal Government owns the states since the states are so reliant on Federal Funds, so there is no hope even going back to a Republic.
We have become Jeffersons worst nightmare come true, and Hamilton and Marx must be smiling.
Thank you Mr. Zunes, for all the information.
I've never been a fan of Feinstein's, and now I know why.
One must also consider the wishes of AIPAC and Israel and the willingness of the Democrats to follow suit. It is one of the leading lobbyists, one of the largest campaign contributors to Democrats, and the group before whom all Democratic leaders genuflect as they pledge eternal support for Israel and follow it up with billions of dollars in foreign aid each year.
They and the war industry corporations mentioned in the comments above must be quite thrilled with Sen Feinstein's Chairmanship of the Senate Committee on Intelligence. She will play ball, even if her constituents disagree.
Feinstein needs to wake up. Over the objections of the citizens she represents, she has voted to continue the occupation of Iraq. She is as guilty of war crimes as Bush is! I'm sending a shoe.
Yes... one may dream of surrounding the likes of Feinstein and Pelosi and Hoyer and Reid with an angry mob armed with Imelda Marcos' shoe collection and a taste for blood.
But before reducing them to heel-pocked hamburger, we must consider the ancient and wise adjuration: Let he who is without sin cast the first shoe!
Apart from casting, though, I think that the shoe is an inspired metaphor for an end to tolerance of a freebooting political and financial elite that collusively plunders the nation's treasury and the meager wealth of ordinary citizens to secure its own wealth and continued prosperity.
So if keeping shoes in politicians' faces catches on, it could gain clout as a symbol that We the People are a-comin', and the dogs among you are getting their Farewell Kiss!
It's not as dramatic as a freshly-severed horse head in one's bed, but I'm sure there are a few gnarly, rancid items of footwear out there that come pretty close.
· Yr Obd't Servant
I sent a pair of shoes to the White House several days before XMas.
Feinstein and many others are INDEED guilty of war crimes and treason.
Feinstein does represent what the democratic party represents, what Obama represents.
Continue to support the democratic party at your own folly. Don't say you weren't warned.
Fear based politics, whether practiced by the republicans or democrats, takes us backwards.
The status quo is what is unacceptable, and we now see another status quo government under Obama step in.
Very few people can be as wrong as Bush. Whether he is truly stupid because of his positions that he publicly exhibits can be debated. But it is clear that his actions are counter to peace and justice principles, the first being that lying is not acceptable, even if you justify by saying it gets you closer to your goals. Continued lying is continued deceit.
And it is found acceptable my the majority of the other 'elected' officials. We live in a bizarre time. I guess this is as good a note to go out on as any.
Feinstein explained her vote - which illegally gave Bush war powers, including a bogus rationale to attack Iraq - by saying she had seen some secret evidence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction that persuaded her. We all know that the Iraq WMD thing was just the cover story for carrying out a war crime.
So first we have the lying. Next, she voted against her constituency. Last, but not least, there's her husband, making millions from his defense stock holdings as Diane hands out the military contracts.
Why aren't these people in jail?
Unfortunately, this sort of corruption explains why Obama will not prosecute members of the Bush junta. Many elected Democratic representatives supported the wars, torture and other crimes initiated by the Bush administration. It would be only fair to prosecute Congressional Democrats too. Obama supports the wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq. He has Bush-like foreign policies.
Progressives have known of this skullduggery for some time. Feinstein is often touted as a "liberal" Democrat, but she's really just a Republican in sheep's clothing. Her criminality illuminates the why the Democratic Party cannot be reformed.
A second revolution is needed. We fought the British crown - now it's corporate control that must be smashed. Unfortunately, the last electoral vote suggests that the American people are still in the dark about what must be done.
Reflexively voting for the Democratic Party candidate doesn't help because Republicans and Democrat elites agree on supporting corporate and military industrial complex interests over the interests of the people. They also want to keep a lid on democratic impulses at home, and a few hopeful campaign slogans seem to have done the trick thus far.
It's going to take a lot of education before taking back the country. The country has to be taken back by mass resistance, but people are just too ignorant for that to happen anytime soon. The coming poverty will also serve as a means of social control. People will be too busy trying to survive to rebel. Still, spontaneous rebellions have been known to happen. Be ready when the time comes, and be unforgiving.
-TIA
.That intel was coerced, politicized and falsified to get us into Iraq is widely known.In fact, a chief architect of politicizing CIA intel was none other than our current Secretary of Defense, Mr. Gates. That Senators have stated repeatedly that they believed that intel is also widely known. But, I guess it just doesn't deter one from the thrill of piling on, does it?
So Diane personally hands out the defense contracts, huh? You should take this immediately to the press , you have a scoop.
You suggested, after all, that we be unforgiving, so I am choosing to be such towards your shallow and pointless rant. No progress will ever be made until folks like you stop thinking with your balls and start thinking with your brain.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Sorry, ardee. It's true. Feinstein is on the the defense appropriations subcommittee. See for yourself here. So, no scoop - it's just the facts.
Most people would see her husband's military stock holdings as a conflict of interest. I'm not sure why you can't, although you weren't familiar with Feinstein's background, it seems.
Piling on? What do you think your role as a citizen is? Watch from the sidelines and cheer the home team? What I'm trying to say is that you aren't represented. It's worse than that - we've got oligarchy and plutocracy. The home team is one team and it's saddling this and future generations with death and poverty while the few profit obscenely.
Time to waken from your slumber. I'd review that Anais Nin quote too. It's rather vague, but it could apply to loyal Dems that gloss over the details.
-TIA
.I am at least as aware as are you of which committees Ms. Feinstein serves on. I do understand that committees make recommendations that are then voted upon by the entire Senate. Thus your original rant is exactly that.
I have sat on meetings with Feinstein when she was President of the B.O.S. in SF, and briefly when she served as mayor also, thus I am more familiar than are you with her background and her commitments.
As to ones role as citizen, you believe it entails spouting questionable conclusions wrapped in an attractive package, I do not. You know nothing, you think you know everything, that obviates a career in politics...with respect to H.L. Mencken for stealing and paraphrasing. I am not, and have not been for a decade, a democrat. Not that you appear to care much for accuracy or truth. Nothing can be accomplished until we understand what it is we fight and what are the facts of the matter under consideration . You , despite a rather pompous insistence of knowledge, possess not any discernible portion thereof, at least in reference to this subject.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
I can't stand Diane Feinstein. She has been a sleazy politician ever since the days she took over as mayor of San Francisco after the assasinations of Harvey Milk and Mayor Moscone. I wish Californians would organize to get someone else elected to her seat. She is a typical right-wing Democrat who votes in favor of the prison-military-industrial arms complex and against the people of her state. She needs to go.
feinstein is, of course, lying about 'secret intelligence.' sen. dick durbin had a rare moment of honesty when he slipped & said everybody on the senate "intelligence" committee knew the iraq wmd info was bogus (his excuse? they were all sworn to secrecy, so they couldn't make that double top secret info public before the invasion. that's some nice morality for you).
every member of the senate intelligence committee knew the bushies were lying (which means that probably most/all of the senate knew that the bushies were lying.)
and, despite the 22 who voted against the iraq war, which senator came out publicly and charged the admin w/deceiving the public? before the war?
.You are aptly named....Care to link any of that wildly assertive stuff?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Does that include you or just the people you disagree with?
.Get back to me when you can make an intelligent and understandable response...
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
wildly assertive? oh right, feinstein does have double super secret intelligence about iraqi wmd's. it's in her footlocker.
oh, my bad. when the senate, house, the prez, everyone in the military, 99.99% of the msm said iraq has wmd's, they were telling the truth. there were no inspectors on the ground, no scott ritter, no downing street memo, no colin powell w/his vial of sugar lying to the u.n. when rumsfeld says, 'we know where they are...in tikrit, in ramallah..' etc., that wasn't a total crock. no millions of people worldwide w/a better b.s. detector than almost every single "establishment authority".
or do you mean the specific assertion that dick durbin admitted that the senate intelligence committee knew the wmd story was a fraud? it's transparent to the planet that the u.s. gov't & media lied us into iraq, w/plenty of malice aforethought (or would you question that 'wild assertion'?)
i might be wrong that it was dick durbin.....
....but (lord satan be praised!) here's senator bob graham, of the same reputable senate intelligence committee.
i hope it doesn't offend your delicate sensibilities, ardee, that this comes from a commie website. don't worry: it's a transcription of an interview on fox, a station i'm sure you are well acquainted with.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/aug2003/imp-a06.shtml
now stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
.Firstly, I apologize for my short tempered posts of late. They stem from the ravings of imbeciles like you who come here and get firmly in the way of intelligent debate,sorry.
Secondly, you sad and silly fellow, the link is to a SOCIALIST, not Communist web site, one I use as reference on any number of occasions..Reference means to corroborate facts, you should understand but apparently do not.
Third, there is not one reference to Senator Feinstein in that article and here is a quote from it :
“There is absolutely no evidence that the president knowingly misled the American people,” Durbin said. “I’ve never made that charge, nor have I heard it from any credible source.” The most that could be said about the war in Iraq is that those around Bush “misled him and misled the American people indirectly.” I certainly do not ascribe to Durbin's beliefs but they do rather hugely contradict your remarks to the contrary.
The remarks you attribute to Graham, by the by, were made while he was a candidate for the Presidency, and contributed to his failure to attain that nomination.
Lastly, I AM a socialist you freaking childish moron, and just because I favor intelligent debate and reasonable assertions of facts, something you seem incapable of achieving, does not measure up to my being a fan of Fox News. Of course, being unable to find or retain facts, what else but hyperbole and insult have you got left?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
that's sweet, ardee. thanks. i'm sure the socialists, not the communists, not the trotskyites (e.g., the wsws) are happy you are on their team.
ravings of imbeciles? freaking childish moron? indeed, such terms are the sine qua non of intelligent debate and reasonable assertions of facts.
ardee, i'll promise to be less imbecilic and childishly moronic in the future. wouldn't want that short temper of yours to cause you to blow a head gasket or anything.
peace
.All I would ask is that you do your due diligence instead of coming in here with no facts, no clue and no useful input. Your post was a distortion filled pack of nonsense from beginning to end and I told you so. If Ive lost patience with stupidity it is only because there is far, far too much of it around here of late.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Feinstein's husband is a lobbyist for the Military Industrial establishment. Just another example of change we can believe in.
.Once more into the breach. I sometimes feel like Don Quixote, tilting at the windmills of stupidity cropping up here of late in profusion.
Dick Blum, Dianne's hubby, is not now or ever has been a lobbyist.
http://www.brookings.edu/media/NewsReleases/2003/20031231blum.aspx
Chris, seriously, in the interest of honest debate and for the good of yourself and your community, if you wish to engage in political debate, please try first to understand your subject and the related facts in the matter at hand. You see, there are folks who see that real change is imperative to the course of this nation. Those who see this are trying very hard to derive courses of action and common grounds on which to proceed to make those changes. You cannot be a part of real change unless you make the effort to first educate yourself. I urge you strongly to do so, your nation needs committed folks, but it needs educated folks who become committed.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
21 Democrats, 1 Independent, and 1 Republican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution) voted against the Iraq War Resolution in the Senate, 29 Democrats for. So I don't understand this statement at all:
"Most congressional Democrats voted against the resolution. So it is particularly disturbing that Democrats would award the coveted Intelligence Committee chair to someone from the party's right-wing minority."
True, the majority of Democrats in the House voted against the resolution. But does the house have anything to do with choosing heads of Senate committees? If so, I'm really ignorant of my government, if not, this is a very bad argument from someone I usually enjoy reading very much.
Dara Parsavand
.OMG, a person with facts, what on earth are you doing in what has lately become a hotbed of hyperbole and ravings?
Please stay,please continue to contribute, you and your knowledge and intellect are sorely needed here.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin