Obama's Missed Opportunity
Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama missed a number of key opportunities during the presidential foreign policy debate on September 26 to challenge the dangerous and reckless foreign policies of Republican nominee John McCain.
Obama did remind viewers that he strongly opposed the invasion of Iraq. He pointed out that the invasion created a tragic situation in that country that McCain - who vociferously supported the invasion and defends his decision to this day - now claims he's better qualified to redress. Yet, in what was perhaps his most stunning failure of the evening, the Democratic nominee effectively conceded McCain's claim that President George W. Bush's "troop surge" in Iraq - long advocated by the Republican nominee and opposed by Obama - brought about the dramatic reduction of violence in that country in recent months.
In reality, a shift in the alignment of internal Iraqi forces and the tragic de facto partitioning of Baghdad into sectarian enclaves contributed more to lowering the death toll, and the current relative equilibrium is probably temporary. The decision by certain Sunni tribal militias that had battled U.S. forces to turn their weapons against al-Qaeda-related extremists took place before the announcement of the surge, and militant opposition leader Muqtada al-Sadr's unilateral ceasefire resulted from internal Shia politics rather than any U.S. actions.
Nor did Obama raise questions over McCain's assertion that Iraq, as a result of the U.S. invasion and occupation, was well on its way to becoming a "stable ally." McCain's claims of stability are questionable. There's an ongoing conflict between the two groups that the United States depends on to maintain stability - the Shia-led government and the Sunni militias of the Awakening Council. In addition, there are ongoing attacks by Sunni extremists and a continuing risk that the radical Shia Mahdi Army will once again end its ceasefire.
Nor should the United States consider the Iraqi government an "ally," given that the two largest parties in the ruling coalition have historically allied themselves with Iran. During Saddam's rule, Iran recognized the largest party now in government, the Supreme Iraqi Islamic Council (then known as the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq), as Iraq's government-in-exile, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard organized and trained the Council's militia - known as the Badr Corps - which fought on Iran's side during the Iran-Iraq War. The Iraqi government identifies far more with the ruling Iranian clerics and other Shia movements than with the United States or with America's traditional Middle Eastern allies. For example, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki strongly sided with Hezbollah in the 2006 conflict with Israel.
Falsehoods Unchallenged
A glaring failure of Obama's during the debate was his unwillingness to counter some of McCain's demonstrably false statements. On no less than three occasions during the debate, for instance, the Republican nominee claimed that Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." In reality, Ahmadinejad never said that. That idiom does not even exist in the Persian language. The Iranian president was quoting the late Ayatollah Khomeini from more than 20 years earlier when, in a statement largely ignored at the time, he said that "the regime occupying Jerusalem should vanish from the pages of time." While certainly an extreme and deplorable statement, the actual quote's emphasis on the Israeli "regime" rather than the country itself and its use of an intransitive makes the statement far less threatening than McCain made it sound.
McCain even claimed that Ahmadinejad "is now in New York, talking about the extermination of the state of Israel, of wiping Israel off the map." In reality, in response to a reporter's question while in New York to attend the opening of this year's UN General Assembly session, Ahmadinejad used the analogy of the Soviet Union disappearing from the map. In other words, as with his previous clarifications that McCain deliberately ignored, the Iranian president was calling for Israel's dissolution as a state, not the country's physical destruction. McCain, however, unchallenged by Obama, was trying to make Iran appear to be a greater and more imminent threat than it actually is.
When McCain criticized Obama for his refusal to support the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which urged the Bush administration to designate Iran's Revolutionary Guards as a "terrorist organization," Obama conceded that he indeed believed they were "a terrorist organization. I've consistently said so." Ironically, even the Bush administration has been unwilling to designate the entire Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist group, which they correctly recognized as an irresponsibly sweeping characterization of the largest branch of Iran's armed forces. Despite congressional pressure, the Bush administration only designated the al-Quds Force - a sub-unit of the Revolutionary Guards that has indeed engaged in terrorist operations, but doesn't always operate with the full knowledge and consent of the leadership of the Revolutionary Guards or even Iran's central government - as a terrorist group.
In another falsehood during the debate, McCain defended his support for Pervez Musharraf's dictatorship in Pakistan by insisting that "there was a failed state in Pakistan when Musharraf came to power. Everybody who was around then, and had been there and knew about it, knew that it was a failed state." While the democratically elected civilian government of Nawaz Sharif was certainly corrupt and inept in many respects at the time Musharraf staged his 1999 coup, Pakistan didn't fit the usual definition of a "failed state." This term is generally reserved for countries experiencing a near-total collapse of order and central authority, such as Somalia, Afghanistan, and such West African countries as Liberia and Sierra Leone during the 1990s. Again, Obama failed to call McCain on this rewriting of history.
Other Misleading Statements Unchallenged
Obama even failed to challenge McCain's statement that "the Russians are preventing significant action in the United Nations Security Council" against Iran's ongoing refusal to abide my edicts of the International Atomic Energy Agency. In fact, the Russian government agreed to support a U.S.-sponsored resolution that very day, which included the toughest language to date, to force Iran to abide by legally binding Security Council edicts.
McCain then launched into his proposal for the formation of what he referred to as a "league of democracies" to bypass the UN system due to the alleged failure of the Security Council to enforce its resolutions, such as those targeting Iran's nuclear program. In response, Obama could have pointed out that the United States has blocked enforcement of UN Security Council Resolution 1172, which calls on India and Pakistan to eliminate their nuclear arsenals and their long-range missiles. Or that the United States has blocked enforcement of UN Security Council Resolution 487, which calls on Israel to place its nuclear facilities under the trusteeship of the International Atomic Energy Agency. Or that the United States has blocked the Security Council from adopting a resolution calling for a nuclear weapons-free zone for the entire Middle East. Or that, over the past 40 years, the United States has vetoed more Security Council resolutions than Russia and all other members of the UN Security Council combined. But Obama failed to do so.
Obama also failed to challenge McCain's dubious statement that "Iranians are putting the most lethal IEDs into Iraq which are killing young Americans" and that "there are special groups in Iran coming into Iraq and are being trained in Iran." Despite repeated claims to this effect by both McCain and the Bush administration, they haven't put forward any credible evidence to support them. Obama also failed to point out that the vast majority of U.S. casualties in Iraq have come from attacks by anti-Iranian Sunni groups, and that the political movements in Iran most closely allied with Iraq are part of the U.S.-backed government. Nor did he remind listeners that McCain had earlier made the ludicrous claim that the Iranians were bringing al-Qaeda forces into Iran for training and sending them back into Iraq to kill Americans, something that McCain himself eventually acknowledged was false.
When the Republican nominee characterized Georgian leader Mikheil Saakashvili as a "great young president," Obama could have pointed out that Saakashvili's disastrous decision to launch a massive assault against South Ossetia prompted the devastating Russian attacks on his country. Doing so would have enabled Obama to defend himself from McCain's criticism during the debate that Obama was wrong to have initially appealed to both sides "to show restraint" and that he should have instead placed all the blame on the Russian side for their illegitimate and disproportionate counter-attack. Obama could also have noted that Saakashvili responded to antigovernment protests within the Georgian capital of Tbilisi late last year with severe repression, shutting down independent media and detaining opposition leaders. Human Rights Watch criticized Saakashvili's government for using "excessive" force against protesters and the International Crisis Group warned of growing authoritarianism in the country. Obama might have then been able to ask McCain what makes Saakashvili so "great" in his eyes and why McCain retains as his chief foreign policy advisor someone who served as the leading paid lobbyist for Saakashvili's government.
Hawkishness Unchallenged
The hawkish approach of both Obama in particular and the Democratic party overall hampered his ability to more effectively challenge McCain during the debate on several key issues. For example, Obama couldn't challenge McCain's calls for increasing Bush's already bloated military budget since Obama and the Democratic platform also calls for increasing the military budget. Most Americans are unaware that the United States, at less than 4% of the world's population, accounts for approximately half of the world's military spending. Military-related spending already accounts for a full 54% of the discretionary U.S. federal budget. Indeed, the only criticism during the debate regarding excessive Pentagon spending came from McCain, who challenged the waste caused by the cost-plus formula regularly awarded to military contractors.
When McCain insisted that the United States pursue a highly provocative policy of bringing Georgia into NATO, thereby risking embroiling the United States in the complex armed ethnic conflicts of the volatile Caucasus region, Obama largely agreed with the Republican nominee. He said that the United States should insist that Georgia be able to join NATO and that NATO "should have a membership action plan immediately to start bringing them in."
Obama couldn't challenge McCain's call to send more troops to Afghanistan because Obama himself has called for increasing U.S. troop strength in that country. To his credit, Obama has called for holding the Afghan government to greater accountability, curbing the poppy trade, and dealing more forcefully with Pakistan, which has provided support and sanctuary for Taliban fighters. Yet the reality on the ground in Afghanistan contradicts the shared assumption of the two candidates that additional forces would stabilize that country. The U.S.-led war has worsened the security situation and the American bombing of civilian areas has led to a popular backlash that has strengthened the Taliban.
Flawed Logic Unchallenged
Obama also failed to fully challenge McCain's flawed logic on several points, such as his claim that Iran's possession of nuclear weapons would pose an "existential threat" to Israel. While nuclear weapons controlled by any state can theoretically be an existential threat to anybody, the Iranians surely recognize that, given Israel's massive nuclear deterrent capability, any such attack would be suicidal. If Iran indeed does have ambitions to acquire nuclear weapons, they would most likely be designed to deter threatened Israeli and American attacks. It's also noteworthy that, while both expressed alarm at a hypothetical Iranian attack on Israel, neither expressed any concern about a far more plausible Israeli attack on Iran.
Similarly, Obama didn't challenge McCain's claim that Iranian possession of nuclear weapons would lead other countries in the region to "feel [a] compelling requirement to acquire nuclear weapons as well." Obama could have pointed out that Israel's procurement of nuclear weapons nearly 40 years ago had not led to any other Middle Eastern countries acquiring nuclear weapons, nor had Pakistan's procurement of nuclear weapons in the 1990s - after India already joined the nuclear club - led additional countries in the region to develop nuclear weapons either. Instead, Obama conceded the point, claiming that a nuclear Iran would indeed "create an environment in which you could set off an arms race in this Middle East."
Obama also gave a surprisingly weak retort to McCain's preposterous claims that meeting with a foreign leader would be "saying they've probably been doing the right thing" and it would "legitimize their illegal behavior." Obama could have pointed out that Bush and other U.S. presidents - as well as McCain himself - have met with foreign leaders who have also engaged in severe repression against their citizens and engaged in illegal behavior.
If Obama expects to defeat John McCain, who indeed has more foreign policy experience, he must be more willing to challenge his opponent's record. McCain is in fact extremely vulnerable in the foreign policy realm. Obama, however, must be more rigorous in pointing out their differences and more effective in challenging McCain's weaknesses.
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"Obama did remind viewers that he strongly opposed the invasion of Iraq."
If he were truly opposed he'd of refused to fund the occupation. Yet he has given his vote to spend hundreds of trillions of your tax dollars to keep it going.
If I ever, in a state of delirium, consider funding a war/occupation as a sign of OPPOSITION to said war/occupation, please promise never to read any of my posts again...and certainly don't vote for me for President.
His current stance on war is enough to know that he is pro-war. Voting for funding is completely different, in the fact that it is supporting the troops already there. We should and must support our troops, but also must condemn the war itself. Most of our troops are heroes, not because they fight in an immoral war, but because they fight for America.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts."
-- John Keats
Republican Troll states that "Voting for funding is completely different, in the fact that it is supporting the troops already there." That belief is completely false as Congressman Kucinich has pointed out numerous times in the past, apparently to no avail, that there is already enough money in the pipeline to provide for the welfare of the troops. There should be little doubt that Obama is aware of this. The best way to support the troops and to make sure that no more innocent Afghans and Iraqis are killed at the hands of the Americans is to get those soldiers out of harm's way as quickly and as rapidly as possible instead of the lengthy 16 month withdrawal plan advocated by the [alleged] antiwar candidate Barack Obama.
Furthermore, how much significance can one attach to Obama opposing a "war", i.e. an illegal war of aggression and illicit occupation, that anyone who isn't a die-hard jingoistic cretin understands was one huge atrocity in the first place?
Considering, that is, that Obama is otherwise stridently militaristic: he supports increasing the military budget, escalating a "good/smart" war in Afghanistan, warmly lauds ambitious, opportunistic yes-men like Petraeus (he's doing a heckuva job!), and buys into the entire specious and spurious exceptionalism of a "Global War on Terror", adopting the PNAC/Unitard lexicon in toto.
Oh, right-- this is all to lure the Silent Majority into his camp; as one supporter explained recently by way of explaining his limp performance in the so-called "debate", he's like Jackie Robinson! He can't give his legions of detractors ammunition to use against him. I keep forgetting that.
Little Brother
Excellent job in pointing out Obama's militant and aggressive positions.
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President Nader is not going to happen.
It will be either President Obama or President McCain.
Guess what? You can help select which one it will be.
Or you can vote for Nader.
That is correct, we can most certainly vote for Nader and by doing so rest easy in the fact that we will not have voted for a war monger like McCain who is willing to escalate the occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan while condoning sending U.S. troops into a sovereign country like Pakistan or have voted for a war monger like Obama who is merely content to escalate the war in Afghanistan [where, it should be reminded, that in August 90 innocent Afghans were slaughtered by American bombs, 60 of those victims in that unnecessary carnage being children] while, like Bush and McCain, also willing to send U.S. troops into Pakistan, where already 6 Pakistanis have died at the hands of American missiles, 2 of those victims being children.
To quote the [alleged] antiwar candidate from Friday's debate:
"So I think the lesson to be drawn is that we should never hesitate to use military force, and I will not, as president, in order to keep the American people safe."
Unfortunately, Nader was not there on that stage that night to point out to Obama that Afghans and Pakistanis [and Iranians also] will never feel safe as they will be in constant fear that a President Obama will give the orders for more 500 lb. and 2000 lb. American bombs to be dropped on their fellow citizens and children.
The clips showing Obama constantly saying "Senator McCain is absolutely right" are hilarious. And McCain saying "Senator Obama just doesn't understand" over and over again... good grief!!
Obama didn't even correct McCain when he stated that Russia attacked Georgia.
This is a HUGE issue.
Everyone on CD knows that Russia RESPONDED to an attack on South Ossetia by Georgia.
The difference is enormous.
And Obama knows this.
Why is Obama willing to go along with this lie?
How is it any better than Bush when he insists that Iraq had WMD?
Why do Obama supporters condone this rewrite of history from their candidate?
I find it FRIGHTENING.
Progressives are supposed to live in the FACT based community.
By not challening their candidate Obama suppporters are showing themsevles to be no better than Bush ideologues.
Biden met with Georgia's President the day of the debate. Obama is Neo-Con Lite, or Neo-liberal, if you prefer. Just another wolf in progressive clothing.
I don't know whether it's true or not, but the following and very short video has Hillary Clinton (I believe during her campaign to try to be nominated for running for the president spot) saying that Obama personally told her that he no longer held that he publicly presented in 2002 on the Iraq War or threat thereof; that after he became senator, he was no longer sure that he'd take the same position again. Iow, he was telling her that he was retracting his 2002 anti-war position, which I've previously said may have only been about politics, political "games", to begin with; and we don't really have proof that he was sincere in 2002, given that he was in no position to be able to place any govt votes whatsoever anyway. She says that he also told her that he might have gone along with authorizing recourse to this war that even then was obviously unjustifiable.
I don't know that the video actually has her saying what the title for the piece is though; I'll have to replay and listen to it again and very carefully, before being able to agree with the title associated with the video at YT. However, one thing shedid stated with respect to Bush is that Pres. GHW Bush had "graciously" (whatever term she precisely employed) sent her to the Balkans; while saying that after having begun as if she meant Pres. GW Bush.
Maybe she's grateful to both of them and for things the public is kept in the dark about, for plenty of people have written that the Clintons and Bushes are quite close.
"Hillary slips and admits she works for Bush regime", (00:56), Mar 9 2008 (and yes, less than 1 minute long)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=6xYV683E1Vc
My post for the Michael Moore article of also Sept. 29th, as well as his article (based on the title anyway), are about ruling "elites" and their front-stage actors or instruments, figureheads, etc.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/29-6#comment-1043540
Obama could also have contradicted McCain when he claimed that Kissinger had visited China many times before Nixon's trip. (Admittedly, McCain used in making this statement the kind of weird syntax that one would expect from Palin.) Kissinger visited China just once before Nixon, and that without demanding that Mao stopped saying that America was a 'paper tiger'. And yet McCain said twice that he and Kissinger had been friends for 35 years, that is,newly released from Vietnam in 1973, McCain somehow became a friend of the Secretary of State. Ken Ward
Bill Maher's response to Nader is nonsense. If Obama adopts Nader's positions his poll ratings would sky rocket because he would be fighting McCain on principle with the big advantage that he has FULL access to the major media(unlike Nader who is, for the most part, blacked out by this media even though he is campaigning every day-the real reason for Nader's low poll ratings). Bill Maher has it wrong. As anyone who has seen him on TV, this is certainly not the first time.
Maybe so. But his costly experts who study all scenarios don't seem to think so. I don't presume to be one and I can't fault him for not taking the risk of going against their advice. Otherwise, why spend money on experts in the first place?
Even if it's just a half step, Obama's at least that away from the fascist strain running amok in the Republican party. On his departure Olmert made comments about the same ultra-extremist pathology infecting the Israeli government and population.
It seemed to me Obama's main intent for the debate was to hammer away at linking McCain and Bush as opposed to trying to detail a complex argument so as to make it able to pass the thick skulls and into the puny brains of the general electorate. Even arguing the lie about an al Qeada and Saddam link seems too delicate when facing the infantile mass consciousness of America - he had to disavow a 20 year relationship with his spiritual mentor because our mass consciousness can't handle the truth of "chickens coming home to roost", or the one about our lie on WMD while we collectively dumped 250,000 lbs of oxidized uranium into the environment...
To me it's obvious Obama's lost a lot of his genuineness since the Rev. Wright catastrophe, but as cold as it may be, there's still a human pulse left to Obama's flesh as opposed to Mr. Looney Tune singing bomb, bomb, bomb...bomb, bomb Iran.
Those that do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
Like Bill Maher said in response to Nader's criticism of Obama, Obama is trying to win an election (in a country full of idiots). If he outwardly adopted Nader's (correct) positions, his standing in the polls would be equal to Nader's.
You assume that Obama was not aware of an alternative to the political philosophy to which he adheres and espouses.
He is that corrupt.
He is bought and sold.
He is "The Party".
He is more of the same.
He is not what America needs.
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I’ll say it again…
We needed Ralph Nader as President in 2000.
We needed Ralph Nader as President in 2004.
We NEED Ralph Nader as President in 2008.
Never before as we do now
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Obama did remind viewers that he strongly opposed the invasion of Iraq.
-it is truly amazing people still talk about the ancient speech as if he had remained committed to being antiwar instead of morphing into a warmonger.
A glaring failure of Obama's during the debate was his unwillingness to counter some of McCain's demonstrably false statements.
-why would you counter someone you agree with?
The hawkish approach of both Obama in particular and the Democratic party overall hampered his ability to more effectively challenge McCain during the debate on several key issues.
-ding!
When McCain insisted that the United States pursue a highly provocative policy of bringing Georgia into NATO, thereby risking embroiling the United States in the complex armed ethnic conflicts of the volatile Caucasus region, Obama largely agreed with the Republican nominee.
-debate or love fest?
Obama on McCain:
On the financial crisis: “I think Senator McCain’s absolutely right that we need more responsibility.”
On spending: “Senator McCain is absolutely right that the earmarks process has been abused.”
On taxation: “John mentioned the fact that business taxes on paper are high in this country, and he’s absolutely right.”
On the federal budget: “John is right, we have to make cuts.”
On Iraq: “Senator McCain is absolutely right that the violence has been reduced as a consequence of the extraordinary sacrifice of our troops and our military families.”
On threatening military action in Pakistan: “John ... you’re absolutely right that presidents have to be prudent in what they say.”
On Iran: “Senator McCain is absolutely right, we cannot tolerate a nuclear Iran.”
Obama, however, must be more rigorous in pointing out their differences
-wrong! Obama must be more rigorous in FINDING DIFFERENCES!
read more: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/deba-s29.shtml
Do vote for either of the main party candidates.
If you want change, vote for Mr. Nader. He has proven his competency.
BOTH McCain and Obama have dangerous foreign policy positions; neither candidate has earned nor deserves our votes.
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The candidates from the looters parties are both the same.
Both try to represent themselves as change in name.
Only their backers are the same people that prey in wall street.
Who have turned currency and fortune into tatters at your feet.
So neither can steer the nation from the ruts of conquest and Empire
Their policy is that all blood and energy should feed the dying Vampire.
To feed the bloated leeches that sucked on collapsing veins.
Now filled with anemic emptiness,on their dying much importance feigns.
Not one dollar less shall be given for the Vampire forces
The battalions, ships and planes cannot take any more losses.
Their ballooning budgets shall be inflated so much more.
Till blown away by winds of change,a dollar is shit on the floor.
This article is riddled with the flawed assumption that Obama stands for something he doesn't. There is no more "missed opportunity" for Obama than for McCain. They stand for the same policies (and have for quite some time now). It's bizarre that a professor of politics and international studies would allow himself to be so blinded by what he HOPES Obama's position are, that he would ignore the reality of what they actually are.
"To his credit" Obama will deal (bomb) "more forcefully with Pakistan".
Then again, maybe it's just that Zunes is also a hawk.
"Obama, however, must be more rigorous in pointing out their differences"
Which are...? Obama want to openly bomb Pakistan, McCain says "no" but "maybe" in secret. Obama would talk to our fake "enemies", McCain would have diplomats talk to our fake "enemies". Any other differences that aren't just rhetoric?
Excellent article. Prof. Zunes should have debated Sen. McCain. Then the American viewing public might have learned something.
What opportunity? Obama just wants to play with the big boys. He is an empty suit. And McCain looks like Mike Meyers's "Goldmember" character, rictus grin and all. Hmmm...who best for 'Murka?
I’m not surprised. It’s either one of the two things:
1) Obama did not know the facts as outlined in the article by Mr Zune, which is highly improbable because Obama cannot be that ignorant, which brings us to the second one.
2) The debate was a show, some type of infotainment. The candidates were given
a pre-arranged script by the party bosses (one party two right wings), and they were acting out accordingly.
Mr Zune’s article clearly shows, beyond a shadow of doubt, that we do not have a real opposition party. It is so pathetic that the regime thinks we are all fools.
Believe it or not, it really doesn't matter much who wins--not to us, not to the regime.
Saila
Well said. As Gore Vidal and others have observed, there is a one party system in this country with the Democrats and the Republicans being two sides of the same coin. Barack Obama, however, seems to be doing his best in attempting to move even more to the right of John McCain, if that is possible.
This article is correct in that Obama did not challenge McCain throughout the entire debate. I stopped watching after about 70 min. It seemed like Obama's tires were grossly underinflated while McSurge was blasting away like a true Repug. I am so scared of what's going to happen this Nov.
McCain supporters please line up above.
progressiveparty, No cutting in line.
.Typically stupid statement from the usual source, off topic and Rovian to the max. Just who supports the GOP here (out of) ctrl z? You and your hubby seem unable to read and think about anything critical of your candidate, a flaw fatal to making intelligent decisions.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
I don't know if you don't understand the quote by Nin or if you just don't read what you write.
I simply remain astonished that Obama supporters can't wake up to the fact that this IS the REAL Barack Obama! Pro-war hawk, pro-Wall Street, anti-progressive candidate who has not earned and does not deserve our votes. The Nation has had several negative pieces about Obama lately where they express "disappointment" but not outrage. What more will it take? And don't get me started on the idiotic replies by DPA's!
Progressiveparty
Pay no heed to the fans of Obama as they will brook no criticism of their pro-militant champion. They cannot refute what Stephen Zunes has cogently put forth in his essay because they in all likelihood understand, at least in a visceral way, that what Prof. Zunes has stated is accurate and true.
Err-oll & Regressive
Did you happen to read any of the McCain quotes in the article?
Out of control-z
Of course I did as well as reading the entirety of Professor Zunes' essay which, of course, dealt with how Obama failed to counter what McCain was saying principally because it would have revealed how Obama is just as militant and just as bellicose as the more overt war hawk John McCain. If you try and read the essay very slowly and very carefully, then you also can comprehend what Prof. Zunes was trying to get across.
Err-oll
What part of "If Obama expects to defeat John McCain, who has indeed had more foreign policy experience, he must be more willing to challenge his opponent's record. McCain is in fact extremely vulnerable in the foreign policy realm. Obama, however, must be more rigorous in pointing out their differences and more effective in challenging McCain's weaknesses." don't you understand?
How do you get "it would have revealed how Obama is just as militant and just as bellicose as the more overt war hawk John McCain" from "must be more rigorous in pointing out their differences and more effective in challenging McCain's weaknesses"?
As usual, you're pounding the square block into the round hole.
Speaking slowly and clearly so that you can understand (the way they explain things to Bush)
Obama cannot challenge McCain's ignorant war-mongering because he agrees with it.
When you are thinking slowly and clearly re-read the article. The author is chiding Obama for not doing a better job of calling McCain on his lies and misleading statements. He finds some points of agreement between Obama and McCain but clearly sees McCain as the one with "dangerous and reckless foreign policies.."
I would like to know your views on the following:
The Bailout
Escalation of "War on Terror" into Pakistan
Increase in Sactions/Military action on Iran
The Patriot Act
FISA
Do those views agree with Obama's views?
Now, do they agree with Nader/McKinney/Paul?
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts."
-- John Keats
Republican Troll
I had a huge thing written on this and then accidently did a search and lost it all.
So I'll give you the summary:
Bailout - I'm of two minds. Not sure if this is just a scam or if the domino effect will lead us into a depression/recession. I do think the administration is manufacturing a false sense of urgency to get a $700 billion check with PAY TO blank. So I guess I'm against it in its first incarnation. Obama - For bailout
Escalation of "War on Terror" into Pakistan - false meme - Obama favors focused, limited actions against high value al Qaeda operatives in the uncontrolled border area in Pakistan when we have actionable intelligence. He also opposes allowing militants to use Pakistan as a staging area for attacks into Afghanistan. I agree.
Increase in Sanctions - It's a tool along with diplomacy. Obama favors. I agree.
Military action on Iran - Obama opposes, says we should talk to Iran. I agree.
"Opposed Bush-Cheney Saber Rattling: Obama and Biden opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which says we should use our military presence in Iraq to counter the threat from Iran. Obama and Biden believe that it was reckless for Congress to give George Bush any justification to extend the Iraq War or to attack Iran. Obama also introduced a resolution in the Senate declaring that no act of Congress – including Kyl-Lieberman – gives the Bush administration authorization to attack Iran."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/#iran
The Patriot Act/FISA I agree with his speeches and disagree with his votes.
For an extensive view of Obama's statements and votes on these and related issues see:
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Homeland_Security.htm
RT wrote: "Now, do they agree with Nader/McKinney/Paul?"
What about the Socialist Candidate? And surely the communists must be fielding a candidate. What about their views? Is there a nudist candidate? A quality beer candidate? If your argument is to consider the views of people running without regard for the chance they have of winning, why not just consider everyone?
I am far more concerned with the views of the only other candidate running for President who has a chance to win: 'Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran' McCain.
I agree with Obama far more often than I agree with McCain.
So I'm voting for Obama.
Double post due to site going down.
MESSAGE (NO. 2) TO OBAMA: Stop acting like a pussy, like Kerry. McCain, like George Wanker Bush, is a pathological liar who will pull any crap out of his backside and just keep repeating it in the face of all refutation. Do what Bill Maher said: Go Medieval! You're going to lose anyway but at least make it interesting and stand up to these bastards. No, I'm sorry, I can't vote for you; you're a post-Bill Clinton Democrat and no matter what you or Nancy Pelosi say, there is no such thing as "Republicanism With A Human Face" which is what you are peddling. There is only Republicanism, a la Nixon, Reagan, Bush. A future of death, pain and financial criminality on an unprecedented scale. No thanks. If you have the winning lotto numbers, please let me have them so I can get out of here.