What Illegal 'Things' Was the Government Doing in 2001-2004?
For the second consecutive day, The Washington Post has published an excerpt from reporter Barton Gellman's new book on the Cheney Vice Presidency, and it provides still more details on the intense confrontation in March, 2004 between the Bush Justice Department and the Cheney-led White House over the DOJ's refusal to certify the legality of the NSA's domestic spying activities. As has been known ever since Deputy Attorney General James Comey testified before the Senate in May, 2007, all of the top-level DOJ officials -- including Attorney General John Ashcroft, Comey and FBI Director Robert Mueller -- told President Bush they would resign immediately because Bush ordered the NSA surveillance program to continue even after his own Justice Department told him it was patently illegal. Comey drafted his resignation letter, calling Bush's spying activities "an apocalyptic situation" because he had "been asked to be a part of something that is fundamentally wrong."
Such an en masse resignation in the middle of an election year was averted only when Bush finally agreed to change certain aspects of the surveillance program in order to persuade these DOJ officials to endorse its legality. The illegal NSA spying program revealed by The New York Times in December, 2005 that created so much political controversy -- whereby the Bush administration was spying on Americans without the warrants required by law -- was a program that was actually endorsed and authorized by these same DOJ officials. The program we learned about was the "compromise" program that Bush implemented in 2004 in order to avoid their resignation. That's how extreme -- what right-wing, executive-power-loving ideologues -- these DOJ officials are: they are the ones who authorized and endorsed the illegal NSA program that we came to learn about.
But whatever it was that the Bush administration was doing in spying on Americans for years prior to March, 2004 was so extreme, so patently illegal, so unconscionable that even these right-wing DOJ Bush appointees, who approved of the ultimate warrantless eavesdropping program, were ready to resign en masse if those spying activities continued. Here is how Gellman, in his book, describes the March, 2004 "compromise" that resulted in the "less illegal" and less extreme NSA spying program that the DOJ officials approved:
The FBI director was no more tractable than Comey. This was a rule-of-law question, he told the president, and the answer was in the Justice Department. The FBI could not participate in operations that Justice held to be in breach of criminal law. If those were [the President's] orders, he would respectfully take his leave. . . .Think about that: in order to persuade the DOJ officials not to resign, "the surveillance program stopped doing some things, and it did other things differently." What "things" did the NSA stop doing in March, 2004 -- and what "things" did it start doing differently -- in order to convince Ashcroft, Mueller and Comey to remain in their jobs? This is one of the greatest political scandals of the Bush era -- not merely the commission of these illegal acts but the fact that they remain concealed from the public-- and it's also one of the most illustrative episodes of how our Government now works, of the extreme secrecy and illegality that characterizes it at its core, and of the complicity of both parties in all of this.Seven days later, Bush amended his March 11 directive. The legal certification belonged again to the attorney general. The surveillance program stopped doing some things, and it did other things differently. Much of the operation remained in place. Not all of it.
We know (even according to Bush's own right-wing, highest-level DOJ officials) that, for years, the Government was violating the criminal law (i.e., committing felonies) in how it spied on us, and did so in ways that were so severe that even the President's own appointees -- who proved they were willing to endorse plainly illegal spying programs -- were nonetheless ready to destroy the President's 2004 re-election bid by resigning if those activities continued. At least according to what the Government claims, these illegal activities -- what Gellman cryptically calls "these things" -- stopped in March, 2004, when Bush ordered the program changed in order to satisfy the DOJ. Thus, what possible rationale exists for continuing to conceal from the country the extreme lawbreaking in which our Government was engaged during this time -- more than four years ago?
Of course, we almost certainly would have learned the answers to these questions -- or, at the very least, obtained a judicial ruling that the Government broke the law -- had the telecom lawsuits been allowed to proceed. But thanks to the Congressional leadership of both parties, with the support of both major presidential candidates (though over the opposition of the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee), those lawsuits were killed, stopped in their tracks, when the telecom industry was retroactively immunized for their lawbreaking.
At this point, it is extremely easy to understand why not only the White House and Congressional Republicans, but also the Democratic leadership, was so eager to ensure that this law-breaking remain concealed from the public and that there are never any consequences for it. It's because, as is true for so much of the Bush radicalism and lawbreaking over the years, top Democrats were fully aware of what was taking place and either explicitly endorsed the lawbreaking or, with full complicity, allowed it to continue. In his book, Gellman details a March 10, 2004 meeting convened by Dick Cheney regarding the DOJ's objections to the NSA surveillance programs -- in which various Bush national security officials were present along with "the four ranking members of the House and the Senate, and the chairmen and vice chairmen of the intelligence committees" -- and this is what Gellman writes:
With a nod from Cheney, [then-NSA Director Gen. Michael Hayden] walked through the program's vital mission. Gonzales said top lawyers at the NSA and Justice had green-lighted the program from the beginning. Now Attorney General John D. Ashcroft was in the hospital, and James B. Comey, Ashcroft's deputy, refused to certify that the surveillance was legal.Though there is dispute about whether these members of Congress expressly endorsed the continuation of the illegal program, there is no dispute that the meeting took place and that these members were repeatedly briefed on the spying program -- not only after 2004, but before 2004. This specific meeting described by Gellman, and the briefings generally, included Nancy Pelosi, Jane Harman, Steney Hoyer, and Jay Rockefeller -- all of whom voted to put an end to the telecom lawsuits (and thereby ensure that these crimes remain concealed), and the latter two of whom were, far and away, the key forces behind the new law that killed the lawsuits looking into these spying activities (and then joined Bush and Cheney at a festive, bipartisan White House signing ceremony to celebrate their joint victory).That was misleading at best. Cheney and Gonzales knew that Comey spoke for Ashcroft as well. They also knew, but chose not to mention, that Jack L. Goldsmith, chief of the Office of Legal Counsel at Justice, had been warning of major legal problems for months.
More than three years later, Gonzales would testify that there was "consensus in the room" from the lawmakers, "who said, 'Despite the recommendation of the deputy attorney general, go forward with these very important intelligence activities.'" By this account -- disputed by participants from both parties -- four Democrats and four Republicans counseled Cheney to press on with a program that Justice called illegal.
In fact, Cheney asked the lawmakers a question that came close to answering itself. Could the House and Senate amend surveillance laws without raising suspicions that a new program had been launched? The obvious reply became a new rationale for keeping Congress out.
If we had an even minimally transparent and open government, or an even theoretically extant opposition party, it would be unthinkable that these crimes would remain concealed, uninvestigated and unpunished. Instead, we have deeply corrupt and complicit leadership in both parties that act in unison to protect the culpable actors (i.e., themselves), while neither reporters nor citizens seem particularly interested in learning about the illegal "things" our Government did for years in spying on us and our communications. Did they listen in on our exclusively domestic calls, read our emails, do physical searches by breaking into our homes all without warrants, engage in other types of equally intrusive and illegal surveillance?
As former DOJ official Marty Lederman wrote last year in the wake of the Comey revelations -- after detailing how extraordinary were these threats to resign from these right-wing DOJ officials -- in a post entitled: "Can You Even Imagine How Bad it Must Have Been?":
If that's the narrow version of the NSA program, just how broad and indiscriminate was the surveillance under the program that Ashcroft, et al. would not approve? . . . This is the real heart of the Comey story -- What happened between September 2001 and October 2003, before Comey and Goldmsith came aboard? Just how radical were the Administration's legal judgments? How extreme were the programs they implemented? How egregious was the lawbreaking?We still have no idea, and we (meaning our political and media class) don't seem to care all that much. We know the President committed felonies by engaging in activities which his own ideologically-sympathetic DOJ officials declared were violative of the criminal law. We know this went on for years, and that he stopped only when it became clear that his political career would be destroyed by massive DOJ resignations if he continued. But we are content not to know what he did, what the extent of the lawbreaking was, and what was done with the criminally-obtained information about U.S. citizens.
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Hey Pablodius...your comment is definitely odious! Vajradhara is among the brave and courageous DOER'S, something that many in this country are sadly lacking, as I suspect you are, and I am inspired by those who face the challenge with real actions and perseverence and offer a way to get us out of this incredible debacle.Way to go Vajradhara and Cindy and all others engaged in pro-action.
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The Feingold hearings on the rule of law (civil liberties, Patriot Act, FEMA< etc.) was supposed to be on C-SPAN at 10:15. It is not. Its n C-SPAN.org (SH-216_ if anyone is interested.)Gee, I wonder why hearing the GOP scream, "Drill here dril now!" is more impt. than hearing Feingold's Senate committee Hearing.
NEW--In case anyone is interest4ed (I hope so) Feingold is going to presetn the findings to the next president and ask him to restore the rule of law on 'day one" (as everyone keeps saying).
Bring America Back !!!! Glen Greenwald continues to hit the Main Nerves
on what is Really Wrong Inside the Beltway of DC !!
****It is abundantly clear Nancy Pelosi is not fit to be Speaker of
our House of Representatives. !! California has a Recall procedure==
the manner they replaced Gov Grey Davis with Arnold the Terminator.
=====Is the Recall procedure available with regard to Pelosi, and if so
Cindy Sheehan should seriously get petitions going to recall Pelosi
for criminal contempt of Congress (Impeachment); and for Criminal felony
violation of the 4th amendment (Privacy), and criminal conspiracy of
coverup of major federal felonies (Wiretapping) !!!! Just do it !!
****Jay Rockefeller, d-WVA, also voted FOR the Bush Torture legislation,
the Military Commissions Act== along with Sen Bill Nelson, D-Fla and
Sen Joe Lieberman.
***Jane Harman, is a blue dog Dem, also from California, who authored a
bill known as ...The Homegrown Terrorism Act....", passing the House by a
404-6 Vote==and if we enjoyed losing Habeus Corpus and Privace==just wait
until the Senate passes this Gestapo. Fascist, Totalitarian piece of
so-called legislation !!!!
****Steny Hoyer is a two faced Democrat from the old boy Maryland
network==just happens to be where the National Security Agency is
located==don't expect HIM to turn in NSA for FISA wiretap crimes,
do you ???
So we had a real coalition of two party RATS giving the go ahead on
that BIG meeting where, even the Department of Justice, proclaimed
it's illegalities. They acted together to save King George's rear end !
It is just good for us to know exactly where the main Rat infestations
are==and they are just crawling all over Capitol Hill !!!!
Impeach Bush, Cheney (preferably simultaneously), and Rice. Press charges on Rummy, Powell. Vote out the Blue Dog Dems.
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IMPEACH both Bush and Cheney.........IMMEDIATELY !!!!!!!!!
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Please! Yes! BTW--Russ Feingold is holding a hearing on restoring our civil liberties tomorrow at 10:45 AM (EST, I guess) opn C-SPAN .org or on tv). Didnt get to read al the posts yet. Just wanted to get that our there so people can set their DVRs or whatever--it'll be online, too.. (What? Another hearing? I dunno--I really do think Feingold is different--at least he voted against the FISA Reforms)
The NSA has been listening to ALL electronic communications overseas for years---that's phone, email, cell-phone---everything! It's all filtered through super-computers for certain key-words that get flagged and then examined by a person. My guess is they turned this system on us, looking for terrorist activity...
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This same group of "lawmakers(breakers?)" was also briefed on torture in 2002.
I know that most of the people tortured were not "Americans" but they were humans and I think the clamor for these four should be to resign.
Obviously, that's why impeachment is "off the table." Obviously this is why the crimes were legitimized in the FISA Reauthorization Act in July.
The DOJ should be investigating Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Addington, Pelosi, Hoyer, Harman and Rockefeller, et. al. Too freaking bad the lawbreakers also make the laws.
Cindy
www.CindyforCongress.org
Cindy,
Please, be careful.
Being right is not always 'being right.' Pelosi's well documented participation, and silence for the last 6 years, is the strongest argument to bring her down.
Money buys the voice to outshout opposition.
SCOTUS prefers the voice of well-heeled, degenerates. Hell, they'll take trailer park degenerates. (Palin)
My thoughts...
My thoughts--would it be at all possible to lie of of people who are stuck in trailer parks? I used to have to live in one, and the classism in here sometimes gets intense. There are so many more impt. things to criticize Palin for.
No offense, truly.
I had the same, short misfortune.
Cindy, this administration has committed so many felonies and admitted to such that investigation really isn't even necessary for impeachment. I have a great personal hatred toward Preznit Bu$h, so I probably should cease and desist. Please understand, from a TRUE Texan (born in Austin), I hurt for you and your loss in this war. In my opinion, Casey, even though he was misled, is a hero of the highest caliber.
Ms. Sheehan, as a Texan, I cannot vote for you. However, I can wish you the best of luck from the bottom of my heart. Go girl!!! You can win!!!
Love to you , Cindy!
Once again, Glenn Greenwald earns a gold star for tenacity as a journalist in keeping after a story others in the national media consider dead and over. But I think he's a bit out of focus by chasing after "Did they listen in on our exclusively domestic calls, read our emails, do physical searches by breaking into our homes all without warrants.....", momentously important as each of those basic Bill of Rights issues indeed are.
Who is the "they" that's being referred to, as Glenn frames the inquiry? I suspect the answer to that question is really more fundamentally important that discovering whose phone calls were feloniously monitored, whose emails were unlawfully read, and whose homes or offices were subjected to unauthorized sneak and peek. Who were the buggers, the snoops, the sneakers and the peekers?
My further suspicion is that the answer to that explosive question is what got divulged to the FBI and DOJ in 2004, and which caused the prospect of mass resignations - another "Saturday night massacre" - to suddenly rear its ugly dead, right before Little George's reelection bid.
It was the black ops boys of the CIA, the DIA, and the NSA who had been running amok on US soil since 2001 - flagrantly poaching upon the sacred American turf historically and Constitutionally reserved only for J Edgar Hoover's boys.
And, should the whole truth ever be told, I'll bet you my last devalued petrodollar that this criminal enterprize commenced on Bush/Cheney's watch, but well before September 11th of that year.
Keep your nose to the ground, hot on the scent, Mr. Greenwald.
Bill from Saginaw
Bill,
Privatized security arms who do not answer to Congress, the President, DoJ, etc.
They answer to 'the money.' That goes as Top Secret/Presidential Privilege to chosen Governmental intel agents who then brief those WANTK. There is no paper trail, electronic or ink, it is memorized verbatim. Any 'proof' involved is kept distant from key players and rarely used. Accusation, with an ample dose of implication, is all that is needed. Obedience observed.
Most of it within weeks of the 2000 election. Remember the 'invasion' of the Congressman from Louisiana? Congressional offices and the removal of his computers, paper files etc.? That was the FBI. That will be the 'plausible denial' framework for any defense this admin. needs concerning illegal activities. The only FBI intrusion of Congress, in what, since forever?
"We found all this stuff while investigating that Louisiana Congressman that was found to have $90,000.00 of bribe money in his garage freezer."
Even if it did occur 3 years later. But there was a lot of Democratic stuff to extrapolate from and motivation for spying on Congress.
But I believe you are correct. Multiple memos to 'Dumbo the Cheerleading Chimp,' who cannot read beyond the kindergarten level, ignored wholesale. After all, his agenda was to dismantle, via privatization, the government. Not to further the Constitutional toilet paper that made his hands and breath smell like excrement. Remember the Bush family is highly disfunctional. Their seditious, and convicted treasonous, behavior requires the abuse typical of criminals to hide the crimes. Secrecy. The pathology of cowardice, the code of honor for complicity. The scourge of a free society.
"The horror, the horror of it."
No shit, Dick Tracy.
The real dirt is going to be what they did with the information they gathered.
Greenwall gets an A for Honesty but I would get further out of the box. In the future 'good Americans' are going to need protection from prosecution for crimes against humanity. Maybe not in American courts at first but already courts in several international cities have started legal prosecution against American citizens based on their domestic and international law. Since our policy won't change the need to protect those 'good' Americans is necessary and is starting at the top. The President is of course first. The very groundwork to combat this abuse of empirical power was the Magna Carta and heabus corpus. Neither of them protect us any more. Both of them are centuraries gone from our American political and judicial institutions. This makes it easy to lasy the groundwork for new laws for material witnesses and aiding a terrorist. Illegal things done by the government are stepping stones in a fascist infrastructure, while making things legal is more long term and requires the work of all the political parties. True partisanship or brother enemy? Both, but duck first.
Hoa binh
And it took a Democratic controlled Congress (along with Obama's support) to give George and Dick and the Telecoms the immunity that they were asking for.
This article by Glenn Greenwald highlights the real reason why Nancy Pelosi stated she would take impeachment off the table even before she was elected by the House as Speaker, she was in on it from the beginning.
Lobo Gris
Egg-zackly
The precedents in law-breaking set by this NEVER elected band of thug-murderers in chief will not be easily erased or eradicated.
Many boys compete with their fathers. Bush was never particularly bright or much of a student. His business dealings were largely failures if not for the help of powerfully placed family friends. With that being said, I wonder if he snubs at his own father bragging about all the THINGS he's been able to do, get rid of so many pesky legal inhibitions, to do what any king-dictator is wont to do... that this absolute power fell to one like this. Sure, the elites are behind it as they got their wish list of wars for profit, dismantling of long-fought for civil liberties, an empty treasury that at last guts all the social programs that make for a cohesive democratic society. Did they plan for the things they didn't expect? Like a full grown Christian theocracy movement? Or is that domestic blowback, the equivalent of all those things that didn't go according to plan in Iraq?
Whenever you make a wish or seize something, there are always unexpected ramifications that follow.
Brilliant commentary, Siouxrose. "Domestic blowback" - I love it! Thing is, they haven't realized their error yet, as they keep milking that evangelical cow by throwing Palin into the equation.
Souixrose, you have really hit the nail on the head. Bu$h is a pathetic loser/failure. He is an alcoholic (which I know, it's a disease) but this guy (I can't bring myself to call him a man) has never had to answer to his faiings, Poppy or someone else always bailed him out. He is a spoiled frat boy who never had to grow up. That said, he is very dangerous, simply because he believes he is owed, by birth, a life of power and luxury.
I am opposed to the death penalty, but with the way this person has gleefully smirked pain, death, and misery, I unfortunately believe he needs to end his frat party legally at the end of a rope.
Bush is all these things. A more important question to ask is what is it in the US Political system that allowed a GW Bush to be elected to the highest office in the lands?
This speaks to the heart of the failure of The United States of America and what it truly represents.
Either Government of by and for the people has become the stuff of myth or GW bush a true representaion of what Americans want in a leader. Neither gives cause for hope.
Agree, agree, agree! Let's not let them get away with this. Speaking of "first women" stuff--look how pelosi (I really had high hopes for her--naive)has degraded the Speaker of the House role?
Fair comment. You must have known old George!
"Did they plan for the things they didn't expect? Like a full grown Christian theocracy movement?"
I would suggest that they simply used the Christian Right to get elected and ignored them after that. The Neocons certainly aren't religious.
How much more blatant does it need to be?
The problem is - and I'll bet my house and everything in it - is that this will receive very little to no coverage in the televised MSM. The fascists know how to keep average Americans from getting riled up: just own the airwaves.
So we are asked to vote for a Senator who actively collaborated with this coverup because he's "not as bad" as McCain. And we're asked to support a political party that collaborated, knowingly and actively,in the whole assault on our liberties, because they're "not as bad" as the other party.
I can't really express an appropriate response to that in writing or within Commondreams' guidelines.
Just imagine the longest possible Bronx cheer, combined with assorted profanities.
Oregoncharles
"But we are content not to know what he did, what the extent of the lawbreaking was, and what was done with the criminally-obtained information about U.S. citizens."
Or WHO, specifically, and most importantly, was being illegally spied upon. It wasn't "terrorists," obviously, since none have been found, no "sleeper cells" unmasked, no plots thwarted. Clearly, the entire operation was/is aimed at political "enemies," i.e. anyone who wasn't/isn't on "the team."
Imagine the scads of "dirt" amassed and how said dirt could be used to, for example, keep "impeachment off the table."
And f**k the FBI, too, trying to play all righteous and shit - that would be the same FBI found to have used "National Security Letters" illegally tens of thousands of times - each instance labeled an "accident" by Muller, the same FBI who, after seven years, still can't find the "anthrax killer," in spite of all the illegal spying and searching and seizing.
What a f**king scary mess...
Frank, I agree, we are in one scary mess. What I fail to comprehend is how ANYONE, no matter how fucking stupid they may be, can actually muster the strength to vote for a sorry repuglicun. These fucking bastards have USED us ever since Ronnie Raygun, and frankly, I'm sick and tired of it. We need to take our country back, disallow lawlessness by prosecuting it to the max (yeah Mr. Bu$h, you belong in prison!!!) Frankly, I hope you suffer horribly for the rest of your pathetic, spoiled life, ya sorry bastard. Oh, but nothing personal.
For those of you supporting Obama and the two party system, and who believe that voting for Nader is a wasted vote:
PLEASE observe that both parties were aware of this travesty, and supported it. Democrats and Republicans are simply two sides of the same corrupt, nasty coin that defines our body politic.
The article says that the "Democratic vice-presidential candidate" opposed the practices in question, but this is very thin opposition indeed. If the Democrats were indeed principled opposition to the Bush administration, they would have called them out and revealed what was actually going on. There will be an argument that the revelation of those practices would have "jeopardized" an investigation, but I would argue the failure to call Bush/Cheney out on this travesty jeopardized our constitutional democracy even more.
Vote Ralph Nader in November. Voting for McShame or Obama is a vote not made for true democracy.
Concur about appalling complicity of Democrats with Republicans...
BUT: keep in mind that there may be openings to be filled on the Supreme Court.
It may be ok to vote third party in some states; but not in swing states, vote Democratic.
fusion
Sorry, but it seems that, when all else fails, when both candidates and parties seem to be blurring into a mediocratric swirl, --go to the Supreme Court nominees!
Ok. Lets!
One must remember that the Democcrats have only blocked ONE right wing nominaton--Bork! They approved Alito, Roberts (his "crying" wife would like to thank the academy), and, to a lesser extent, Scalia and O'Conner (who Reagan actually said , turned out to be a "disappintment" because she wasnt CONSERVATIVE enough!)
Once they appointed our current CIC in 2000, I lost any sense that any appointed Justices would be "fair adn balanced" (sorry). It will take more than an election to rid ourselves of these fascist neo-cos.
Roberts and Alito are very young. If we dont find a way to oust them, we are in for some neo-con Blue Dog blues for a very long time to come.
exactly. the democrats argue we can make changes one step at a time, and must work within the system(that is the two party system, not the system of constitutional rights) yet every vote of confidence for their compromise tactics is an incrimental step to the right.
This is the reason "conservatives" no longer call for doing away with Big Government let alone actually carry out their promise. They love Big Government. In fact, the faux "libertarians" are silent on this as well.
Not so. The fact is, Ron Paul had an alternative Republican Convention. Betcha didn't know about that didja? The problem is the media, or lack of it.
Betcha I did! You cat head! I watched as much of it as I could without projectile vomiting. Paul is ok on some stuff--on others he's just plain WHACKO! He also takes money from White Aryan Nation groups. He didnt even deny it on C-Span. He said, "I dont need their money, but I dont think I shoudl have to give it back." True. And I have a right to tell him to go screw himself.
Do away with fed. reserve, Do away with public schools, any public health care--people need to look into Paul just to see what they would really be getting into. No role for govt , except military. Complete yoyo country. If youre born without privilege--screw you! Of course, both parties really mean that now--they jsut dont say it.
Cat Head? KDelphi, yes, you are right. You do have the right to tell Ron Paul to go screw himself. But, in the meantime, he is right on the money as far as "blowback" from the middle east, doing away with the Federal Reserve (which BTW John F. Kennedy wanted to do the same) and ending the drug war. Mr. Paul beats the crap out of Obama or McCain and his pseudoChristian running mate.
Kdelphi, you may call me anything in the world EXCEPT Cat Head. For the courtesy of this site, I'll just say I dislike cats, so please refrain from the insults.
Cheers!
Are you sure Ron Paul supports military big time? I thought he was a consistent libertarian except on the abortion issue.
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
I know he thinks Iraq was wrong. (duh!) I am pretty sure he believes in a "strong military", for self defense. That's not really the issue i have with him. It is the yoyo (youre on youre own) society he wants to build. There are simply too many inequities right from birth, in the uS to have a level playing field, without govt intervention. That is mainly what I disagree with.
Hey Everyone...
Thanks for all the comments.
Bush has been investigated and accused every which way.
Read John Conyers' book (that he wrote before he was Chair of the HJC).
I have many friends in Texas, and especially love Austin, Aussidawg...LOL.
Our campaign is really heating up in SF...it's very exciting and we are really shaking things up.
Ron Paul is definitely against big military. I am with KDelphi though. I don't like his YOYO stance, either.
One wag commented: I am not a Libertarian because I don't hate poor people.
Gotta go...
xoxo
Cindy
www.CindyforCongress.org
Hello Everyone! I took on organizing San Francisco CD8 as Cindy For Congress's Field Director. We will win. This election is the most important contest anywhere in America - this November 4th. So my new friends, we ask you to walk the walk, this time, right here, right now. Stop everything your doing and help us! It's simple. We have 663 precincts to repeatedly call with phonebanks that we ask you to form now. Consider this your call to action. Our common welfare as Americans is on the line. When your kids and grandkids ask you what you did during the tableturning elections of 2008, what story will you tell?
Each precinct has 500 to 600 voters. One person can make 20 calls per hour. A team of 10 phonebankers can call 200 voters per hour. So we need 663 teams of 10 people each, who will meet and make calls at regular weekly homebased phonebank parties. You will need training for your squad, and Our Staff will train you via the Web with a tool: www.GoToMeeting.com. We will provide each team their phone numbers to call and data sheets to complete.
663 teams will empower us to call all 350,000 voters in CD8 within any single 24 hour time period.
We have training now ongoing, where I am teaching groups how to become Community Field Organizers. I am teaching how to use the tools taught by MLK and Ceasar Chavez. We have broken San Francisco into 50 Zones, and I am tasking pairs of trained Field Organizers into each zone. We will task Team Leaders and Precinct Captians into our zoned set of precincts. We were given 3,000 volunteers today who have repeatedly shown up to answer radio based calls to action.
My goal is to execute an "Adopt A Block" strategy for Get Out The Vote (GOTV). We have already cut up the precincts to sets of city blocks. We will achieve this.
I have now put a data management team in place. We will continually update our data from the field, and from our phone bank teams.
We need you to form phonebank teams, and as a team, commit to 2 one hour training events - online - from your homes - and 5 to 10 hours of phone banking into your assigned precinct, weekly.
Please login to our website, commit, and we will pick you and your team from there!
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We need money too - so organize fundraising parties now, not later! Now.
So do you like the news, or will you join us, and let's make some news of our own! This year, this time, we will defeat Pelosi, elect Cindy, and begin the prosecutions required by our Constitution and Law.
So?
What are you waiting for? This is it! Call and email your friends, and organize a team of 10 to join you! Now.
Yes..... now.
Paul Currier
San Francisco
Senior National Internet Organizer
1260 Mission Street - C4C
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