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A letter to America: You Cannot be Serious
Dear America, Before you say it, I know: presumptuous. No one can speak to a multitude or to a nation, even if your presidential candidates entertain the fantasy. The United States is too big, too diverse, to allow that sort of intimacy. Is it even, from sea to shining sea, a single nation? Does New Hampshire speak much, or clearly, to New Mexico?
So many cultures, races, nuances. Too many variations from the modern media homogeneity norm, or even, dare I say it, from your cherished self-image. You are still, as Europeans too easily forget, a free association of states, each of them proud, each distinct. Some once styled themselves sovereign; most are jealous still of their remaining rights. That can't be easy.
You disagree among yourselves, too, over what America is and what that means. Even at this distance, we pick up the chatter. We glimpse a few of your tensions. Even your "culture wars" have become a cliché in our discourse. We miss the important details, but as often as not we get it. After all, we pay more attention to you than you ever do to us.
Sorry. Did that sound antipathetic, as in "anti-American"? Let's deal with that. I've said a few things down the years. It is likely that I will say a few more. You have a reserve currency, extraordinary military strength, and an unsurpassed cultural reach: people notice. If they have any sense, they also notice that America is no sort of monolith. But when things are done, by a democracy and in a people's name, we call that "America".
The irony is, in any case, that you are not beset on all sides. A great many foreign people spend a great deal of time defending your actions. Sometimes, for my money, the very depth of their loyalty is suspicious. Yours is not their country. I'm more of the Bush-didn't-win-Florida school, but I do not hold every last American responsible for the consequences of a convenient (for some) Supreme Court decision. That would be like blaming me for Tony Blair. (And no, I did not vote for Trusted Ally Number One. I like to think I saw the Blessed Cheesemaker coming).
But you still think the world is against you? Try thinking, if you can, as a Russian thinks. Their country, right or wrong. Their patriotic dead. Their great lost empire, their exceptionalism, their certainty that dark and alien others always wish them ill. So how does a Russian view the world when tiny Georgia fires rockets "pre-emptively" on tinier South Ossetia and finds America taking the side of the rocketman "in freedom's name"? Let's just say that our Russian fails to share your perspective.
Or how about a Palestinian? The world cries injustice, historic, enduring, and a continuing justification for resistance, none of it pretty. You talk peace, but you say Israel - now where did this phrase come from? - right or wrong. Do the moral calculus. Stinking anti-Semites who would wipe Israel from the map do not justify every action Israel takes. But that is not, as the world hears it, the word from America.
This is not, historically speaking, a big deal. The American Century may well be at an end, with only the debts - unfeasibly big debts - to be settled. The Chinese, the Arabs, the Europeans, even the Russians hold your IOUs. When the money runs out, aircraft carriers are window dressing. Besides, no-one in the British islands is in a position to talk. Our empire was far more reckless than yours has ever been, and we could not hold a blood-red candle to Spain, France, Germany, Holland or even little Belgium. No-one ever gave thanks for having the Russians or the Chinese in charge. These things come and go.
But you say - Kipling and Rhodes would have understood - that you are the last best hope for mankind. Speaker after speaker at the Republican convention, and more than a few at the Democrat equivalent, talked (boasted?) of the greatest nation in the world ever. No precedent. I refer you once more to British imperial history. I also suggest, though, that when such things are said sincerely, certain obligations follow. You enthuse over Sarah Palin instead.
Perhaps, like so many modern politico-media phenomena, that will pass. Over here, after all, we thought George W Bush was the most improbable thing your conservatism could contrive. Shows you what we know. A George Bush who was merely stupid and mendacious seemed the extreme edge of what the presidential process might produce when someone's vital interests were at stake. But what do we bystanders now understand? If polls are to be trusted (another story) Mr Bush is profoundly unpopular while Ms Palin, his spiritual kid sister, is homecoming queen. You can sense our puzzlement.
Our disgust is something that many of you no doubt take for granted. A book-banning, anti-abortion, creationist with scant consciousness, if any, of the outside world is not a brand that travels well. Ms Palin reportedly does not travel at all, save to cross fly over Canada. Her personal life is none of my concern. Her lipstick seems to suit her. But am I truly supposed to believe that she is suited for high office? That, surely, is the argument behind her impressive approval ratings.
But I forget. According to those around Mr John McCain, the official Republican general election candidate, your presidential contest is "not about the issues". Come again? Have you run out of things to talk about, America? I can see that Mr McCain might have a long list of things he would rather not discuss, most of them involving the incumbent with whom he shares a party. But does your polity truly intend to suspend all disbelief, all debate, all thought, because of a well-groomed moose-killer?
They tell me the other guy is struggling to cope with this new fact of political existence. That, I would have thought, was the sole point and purpose of Ms Palin's elevation to the ticket. When you cannot cope with another man's fluency, trust to slogans and big pictures and what cynical men call "perceptions".
Let's be clear about that, too. I am not one of those Europeans who succumb to the charisma of Mr Obama. I have watched Mr Blair work a room. Unfashionably, I thought the Democrats should have stuck with a deplorable Clinton. I also thought the Obama Berlin gig an absurdity. I do not trust anyone who answers "hope" and "change" to every hard question. And I have no belief in an "anti-war" candidate who proposes dusty death without end in Afghanistan.
Mr Obama remains - you know this bit - the first African-American to have a serious hope of becoming president. Yet what do we find? Merely journalists adjusting every too-close-to-call poll in their heads to accommodate their certain knowledge of race in American life. We Europeans, some of us, do not therefore form judgments. This continent invented industrialised racism, and persists with the habit of mind. But seriously: a black man talking seriously or a moose-killer forbidden to attempt coherent speech? And your choice is?
Too close to call. America, that is almost beyond words. I have neither a personal nor a partisan interest. Ms Palin and Mr Obama alike are foreign to me. Yet if Mr Bush has been a dangerous absurdity, what is the latest Republican president-but-one? Since I'm asking the questions, I'll answer.
Ms Palin is a symbol of deep American introversion, of the fact that you have ceased to take yourselves seriously and, more important, don't much care who knows it. Arguments over the relationship between the wider world and your choices have become irrelevant. You have detached yourself, finally, from the global community. This is isolationism as never before conceived. "American" in my life has been lingua franca, for better or ill. Now you talk to yourself.
And you talk, my friends, in the sort of gibberish that once you spurned. It's not about Ms Palin, as such. It is about the process that creates a candidate-grin manipulated to serve darkness, ignorance, fear, a war economy, and the flaunting of stupidity.
Nice going.



191 Comments so far
Show AllEven if you remove Palin from the equation there is still serious problems. She's just a water girl for the big team. She can try and rouse up support with her cheers and body movements but she could never put on the uniform and play for the big guys. So I'm sure that she even recognizes the token she is. She is there to carry a message only. The Republicans will shoulder her with all the emotional issues she can carry. The Republicans need someone who can deflect attention away from the real issues facing the country. If it isn't Palin it will be another political whore. The government is full of them.
Hoa binh
Wow! Love this article. It pretty much sums it up.
Mr. Bell certainly sums us up well. Now we're not only the most feared and hated nation in the world, we've become the laughingstock as well.
Feared ? Even Bolivia is tweaking Bush's nose, kicking out the Ambassador. Venezuela doesn't look too fearful, Iran is ignoring threats and war-drum beating, Russia just beat the cr&p out of Cheney and McCain's good friend 'Georgia' (minus the Russian parts). Turkey is attacking the Kurds in Iraq, no matter what TeamBush says, and Condi the gap-toothed shoe-lady is a Joke around the world. Maybe Haiti still fears the U.S., and possibly Grenada and Panama, but what country with more than 25 million people seems fearful NOW, after a devastated, sanction-destroyed Iraq bogged down 130,000 American military high-school dropouts ? How has Cuba, with only 11 million motivated, armed citizens, kept the Empire out for almost 50 years ? Only small, divided, quarreling nations with easily bribed military officers FEAR the United States. When was the last time the U.S. picked a fight with someone that could fight back ? WWII ?
The U.S. can still Nuke a country, but everyone knows how the radioactive cloud will come back to haunt even the most Religious Americans. In a conventional war, the U.S. starts out strong, then gets bogged down if any resistance is offered. That's what Powell tried to say, 'Shock and Awe' them enough so that there IS no follow up resistance - that's where the U.S. is weakest. It's hard to 'catapult the propaganda' long enough for a protracted war/occupation/liberation.
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The most hateful human misfortune is for a wise man to have no influence. - Herodotus
A scather. Couldn't be better targeted and nailed. Delivered as only a Brit could deliver it. Thank you for the mirror and for not pulling your punches. I hope many people read this and consider: "It's not about Ms Palin, as such. It is about the process that creates a candidate-grin manipulated to serve darkness, ignorance, fear, a war economy, and the flaunting of stupidity."
Good to see a Brit understands where we are at now in Amerika--exactly where the Brits once were: thigh deep in arrogance and wading strong, holding weapons and the flag over our heads and right! right! right! How could we be wrong? We're Americans and American are always right, we are the righteous! Very far right and further and further far right. Why, Sarah honey is just exactly right for us in your face rednecks now continuing the path Bush and Cheney have shown us how to tread--bullying, in your face, intimidation, smack 'em down, come on, Sarah, honey, you're EXACTLY what we need, and you know what? We don't care, we don't care at all if this whole things goes down . . . we're happy about it! And stupid? Well, yes.
There was another article yesterday from the UK that said if McCain/Palin win it will signal the rest of the world that the United States is no longer a serious nation. If it were just that we are not serious, that would be one thing. But the cop on the block has now been replaced by the Thug on the block - and the Thug has religion on top of an arsenal of weapons hidden under all that Wal-Mart clothing. It's now "Night of the Hunter" in the United States; Uncle Sam has been replaced by Robert Mitchum as the "Reverend" Harry Powell, the knife wielding, scripture spouting, woman murdering psychotic with LOVE tattooed on the fingers of one hand and HATE tattooed on the other. This is what we've come to after 200+ years - a nation that has become a child's overpowering nightmare to the rest of the world.
I think the scarier aspect of Palin as VP candidate.. is the manchurian (?) component.. Much in the style that bush is carefully managed. Press has had limited access, all speech is carefully crafted, as she is groomed to say all the right things. Interviews with others have aides present. I will assume that who gets access to her will also be managed.
this is an extreme of media control and access. Who can access, what questions will be asked, what the responses will be and how they will be framed/ spun..
Have we learned nothing about expecting our leaders to face the hard questions, before they are faced with the hard decisions? And do we not expect from ourselves, the critical thinking involved in assessing what we are exposed to by the media and our politicians?
"I do not trust anyone who answers "hope" and "change" to every hard question. And I have no belief in an "anti-war" candidate who proposes dusty death without end in Afghanistan."
Good stuff. Gotta remember that line. Ian Bell is an equal-opportunity critic.
Oregoncharles
With this in mind, I suggest a coup. Lets just throw them back in and start over.
I understand what hs is saying (takes one to know one), and the only thing worse to me than Obama/Biden, is McCain/Palin or continued Bush.
Since I am not a Dem. I refuse to take blame for The Republocrats.(I did vote Kerry in 2000--lot of good that did) I am not optimistic, about the uS future, no matter who wins. Anyone who stil thinks people are "waiting for the US to take the lead again" is delusional. If the Brits are, they're delusional. When did we EVER lead really? For five minutes after we "stormed the beaches of Normandy"? Whats our "culture" McDonald"s? Starbuck"s?
If "isolationism" means leaving the rest of the world alone for awhile, then I'm an isolationist. Everthing we touch seems to turn to shit these days. But I didnt ask to be born here, and I dont have the money to leave.
I would think we could happily re-join the world, not as a "leader", but in a multi-polar world, as equals, if we could just stop fricking bombing and making war everywhere for a few years.
To be honest, I think of a Third Party candidate, only because I dont think that this election will change all that much. I never dreamed Obama would be "lagging".I'm in a swing state. But, even if I jumpship and vote Obama--its NOT going to win Ohio for Obama! HE has to do that. He is applying for, arguably , the most powerful job in the US. (I suppose the presidency lags behind corporate CEOS in our oligarchy now)
Sadly, (and I think alot more people would agree, if they could see the Rust Belt US), I think that Palin (and maybe Obama too)are metaphors for the uS--a real flashy flash in the pan. Our "leaderhips" cant end too soon for me.
Can we all go on strike? Just until America comes to it's senses - or it's knees.
"If "isolationism" means leaving the rest of the world alone for awhile, then I'm an isolationist."
Ding, ding, ding... What if we:
a) Let the U.N. take care of the worlds foreign affairs for awhile?
and
b) Opted out of that same U.N. for at least 20 years as frankly I don't the U.S. government can be trusted to not bully any organization it is a part of, and because we need to focus on domesti, infrastructure, social justice, and environmental problems for a while.
Does that make me "right" or "left" and does that matter anymore?
One thing for certain I am not a neo-con!
For those of us alive and well, thank you!
Unfortunately, you are speaking en masse to the living dead, a cult of zombies incapable of discerning truth from lies, moral integrity from blind indifference, self-interest from social good will. How else do you explain Bush and now Palin? A significant majority of Americans are spellbound. Please tell us how to reach them, to get them to wake up, to have them peer into their souls and to understand what it is they do. They are lost, and taking us down with them.
The truth no longer matters. Innuendo and propaganda abound - see McCain ads
I have talked to many people that support Bush oops, I mean McCain and Palin and you will find that most are very closed minded and are afraid or just too politically, ignorant to think for themselves and believe everything they hear in the LOL " LIBERAL MEDIA". It makes one wonder if this is what it was like in Nazi Germany in the 1930's!
The USA today is very much like Nazi Germany in the 1930s. Sure, Germany was straining under WWI reparations, and the German identity was different in a general sense. But the lesson we need to learn must transcend those details. There is no justification for allowing one's government to stray from serving the true public interests. The US citizen has this responsibility.
The U.S. is not even close to Pre-Nazi Germany, and this statement is ridiculous. If any nation is ripe for fascism, and even tending towards it, it is Russia. We must be careful with our words, especially fascim and Nazi, especially when we do not fully comprehend what we are saying, lest we diminish the meaning.
Considering what the original fascists said about fascism - that it's the merger of corporate and state power - you are partly right. It's not Pre-Nazi Germany that's the right sort of comparison to use, but the post takeover Nazi Germany, or Fascist Italy or Spain. Which version of those three original fascist states your nation takes after is not up to the people of the former usa, but the leader of that regime.
Fortunately, the rich elite of the usa is far stupider that those of Italy, Spain or Germany. As the article makes clear, your version of fascism is more than likely to end as a farce than a tragedy.
The USA may end in farce, though judging by singing from the Republican campaign it's more likely to end as a musical. Think Austria in "The Sound Of Music."
tullyccro,
Thank you! I appreciated reading your fine essay, but you are wasting your time trying to enlighten the whining cult of doomsters, aka "progressives" on this website. To this bunch, the sky is always falling ... the apocalypse is always tomorrow. They are like spoiled children perpetually throwing a tantrum ... "who will save us from ourselves?"
I continue to read Commondreams, mostly because many of the essays are worth-the-while plus contributors, like yourself, occasionally write something interesting.
Again, thank you!
Der Herr Widhalm aus dem 19. Herzig!
Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'LIEly, and other "conservatives" whine and complain alot but I don't see you getting at them. Besides, you don't understand most folks here who post. We have a right to express our frustrations and open up ourselves to discussion. If that's a problem with you, take it elsewhere. When you're done being spun with rightwing lies by the GOP and their media allies, you might get to understand others here. I too thought everyone whines here a lot but I later understood that maybe people are really fed up with the rightwing bullshit. Could I imagine getting this news on my local Spartanburg, SC papers? Probably not. Grow up, man.
More like Prussia 1871-1918, actually. I've studied the parallels for years and the overwhelming and unquestioned role in US society of the US military marks some surprising and disquieting parallels to old Prussia, particularly after their victory in the French-German War 1870/71
EXCEPT: "Prussia" was dissolved even as an ancient province of Germany and its name was more or less expunged because the Allies, including the USA!!, were - IMO quite rightly - convinced that the authoritarian and militarist mid-set of Prussia had paved the way for the rise of the Nazis.
THIS is the lesson for the US of A, I think.
well, after watching your link to the mcinshame ads, i am convinced the majority of you have been taken over by aliens.....................what an eye-opener.
Thank you Ian Bell.
Hey Ian, it's me Otto, you know, from "A Fish Called Wanda"?
Three words!
"DON"T CALL ME STUPID".
Only a generation ago, when National Political Conventions still had some real life to them, many states, mostly Southern, would be introduced by their delegation chairman as, ..."The great and soverign state of... Alabama"...and such.
Thank you. Perhaps a bit subtle for today's reality show mentality... most often find that a 5 kilo sledge hammer is the only means of gaining the attention of many who support "The Party".
One of the facts that goes largely unobserved, is that "we the people" bestow power on those who represent us. We do this mostly by taking them seriously. As soon as we stop mocking and laughing at them, we validate their "ability" to lead.
The Palin-McCain candidacy deserves no less than open and constant ridicule and derision. Anything else is an enabling action. They are a joke in the worst taste. Treat them that way. Your life may depend upon it.
This is in no way an endorsement of the other brand of The Party.
Ding, ding, ding... If I vote for Obama it's most certainly a vote against the old war monger and the young earth creationist, not for the FISA caving, Afghanistan escalation desiring Obama.
A Letter to Avalon: Why Americans Don't Take You Seriously
Dear Mr. Bell,
I realize that it is both convenient and pleasing for Europeans, and specifically Brits who long for the return of radical Labour as it was before Thatcher dismantled it, to slander and undermine the American leadership and political system, which has been nothing so much as consistently Centrist or Social Democratic for nearly 60 years.
This has been frustrating to radicals of every stripe, and certainly, you are not alone.
I realize that, when compared to the thousand-year history of your Blessed Isles, and to your impressive aristocratic heritage, whenever Americans wholeheartedly express their preference for the provincial, protestant, puritanical, unpretentious, frontier persona, you take personal offense, and gag and gaff, as this flies in the face of your more pedigreed and proper political culture.
But nevertheless, you forget, and when speaking about sovereignty nonetheless, that Britain enjoys a degree of sovereignty today, and was not swallowed by the Nazi wolf or the Russian bear, only because of American intervention and 60 years of American protection. And yes, this is what the world pays us for.
I know you like to fancy yourselves autonomous, and it is tragic that the Parliament of the world's largest imperial power should be reduced, in less than 50 years, to becoming a cabinet of yes-men for their least favored step-child, and it's industrial leadership the mere manufacturers of trinkets, it's scholarship the producers of history books, and it's culture reduced to exporting teenage bands. (And don't forget, that we inherited our celebrity culture from you, after all.)
But make no mistake, Mr. Bell, the social advances your people, and the people of Europe, have gained, the very ability you had to organize yourself into one big marketplace this past decade or so, is due, not so much to your intellectual superiority or to your noblesse, but because you didn't have to finance the weapons and manpower necessary to protect yourselves. Because of this, what sovereignty do you now enjoy, if you refuse to protect either yourselves or your European neighbors? (Yugoslavia comes to mind)
Where European Imperialism failed, American law and force of law have now filled the void. And the alternative is your subjection at the hands of Mr. Putin, a petty tyrant if there ever was one, since your cheap labor and energy comes from Eastern Europe and a non-interventionist Russia. Or perhaps, the expansion of Chinese security, if it can be called that, around the world, (Like AK-47's in Sudan) which is anything but lawful, and I hope, not preferable to Western customs, with which you should be familiar. (We did learn a great deal from you, as you know.)
And don't forget, the Islamists who now shoot your artists, place bounties on the heads of your judges and politicians, and seek to massacre your people as well, for daring to question their medievalist order and ends. What are we to do with them? You drew the boundaries and appointed the leadership in the region, maybe you should direct your intellectual understanding and your unique insight into subtle cultural nuances towards devising a noble solution, instead of blathering on from the sidelines, accusing us of bigotry. (Don't forget, that slavery, racism, and disenfranchisement of women, were not unique to America)
But I suppose, it is hard, after gaining such an impressive inheritance and Imperial mindset, to forget the glories of the past, and face the exigencies of our time. Where we have shortcomings and prejudices, you do as well. Turn the mirror to yourself. We will elect the leader who understands American responsibilities, as we always have (we never installed a Chamberlain, save for Carter, perhaps) and you can elect the majority who can beg for luxuries from the American table.
Cheers,
tullyccro, are you trying to tell me that America was defending Europe when it started the Iraq war? You don't "defend" people by beating them up and killing their family members and then taking their natural resources and selling them off to the highest bidder.
And what about all the Brits who died in Iraq and Afghanistan (and the 10 Frenchmen recently) just so that they can get on America's good side (and to have a share in some of the loot). Do their deaths not count!
We need to get out of the business of war making and focus more on peacekeeping and disaster relief. We should be stopping genocides (even when it is not in our economic interest to do so) and not creating "collateral damage."
You're right. England and France and Germany were profiting off of the sanctions imposed by the UN, and probably would have been better off financially has Saddam remained in power. They were getting oil cheaper after all, while the US supervised the ridiculous no-fly zones.
We are the only military power capable of countering Russian or Chinese aggression, Europeans know this, as do many people around the world who invoke the American will when seeking justice, Sudan comes to mind again, as do Kosovo, Chechyna, and Somalia. Justice is not always peaceful, and a peace without justice is an ignoble and short-lived peace.
We did stop genocides, in Iraq and Afghanistan, and look at our economy. If anything, this is counter-intuitive to economics. Wouldn't it have been easier to allow the Taliban to build pipelines for us, or to deal directly with Saddam Hussein, by handing them our money?
We do not target civilians. Our enemies in Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Al Qaeda, and the various Egyptian and African groups, clearly do. They assign collective guilt to Westerners (Theo Van Gogh) in general, they hijack airplanes, they murder and kidnap, and they have done so for over 30 years. This is their refusal to co-exist with us. We are different because we attempt to transcend cultural boundaries in the name of cooperation. This is not reciprocated. We are not in the wrong. Any serious student of history, knows this, unless they are a masochist. We are in the right. The invasions were necessary and just. They were the best alternative we had and still are. Advances have been made. We are not senseless murderers, and we are not extorting the people solely for our own benefit, as that was the doctrine of British and French and German imperialism.
Boy, have you drank the "look-aid."
Too quick! Kool-aid
"We do not target civilians."
Maybe not, but we kill them just the same. How can you not see this causes more anti-American hatred around the world? Our over-extended military, despite the massive funding of it which is dragging our country into the abyss, couldn't take on South Ossetia, much less Russia and China. We didn't stop any genocides in oil-influenced Iraq and Afghanistan [we actually created ethnic cleansing in Iraq], and we still ignore the real genocides in the oil-dry areas of Africa. Bush is responsible for killing more Iraqis than Saddam. Just how does that put the USA in the right? How is this the moral high ground? You are the ugly American Bell so eloquently speaks to in his essay. The depth of your incomprehension and lack of understanding is breath-taking, yet you continue to prattle on about how George Bush's fascist Constitution-trampling version of America is the only moral country left. Get your goddamn flag out of your eyes and start thinking like a man instead of a narcissistic 10-year-old boy playing GI Joe.
BOY, you're really lost to the dark side...............lizard
Wow, for someone who purports to know so much about history, your ignorance of it is appalling. The US has propped up/supported oppressive, undemocratic regimes in the Middle East for decades, beginning with their involvement in returning the Shah to power in Iran in the 50's. As long as these regimes were friendly (i.e., provided us with cheap oil/allowed U.S. corporations to "invest") we kissed their asses, and looked the other way regarding their human rights abuses. We only seem to have a problem with these regimes when they're openly hostile to us. So, to say that they refuse to "co-exist" with us, when we have been cynically meddling in their affairs and exploiting their resources for over 60 years is more than a little disingenuous.
As far as the US not targeting citizens, who gives a rat's ass if we target them or not? We still have managed to kill (at least) hundreds of thousands of Afghan and Iraqi cictizens over the past 7 years. Do you think the families of those victims give a shit if we "intended" to kill them or not? If your child was killed in a drive-by shooting in which a drug dealer was the target, would your anger toward the perpetrators be diminished knowing that your son or daughter was nothing more than "collateral damage?"
WHere to start with such a strange version of history...
First to the Nazi's, they had no chance of launching an invasion of England. Any such attempt would have resulted in lots of stormtrooper bodies washing up on the beaches. It was British pluck that overcame the Nazi menace, no thanks to you at all. Had Hitler not declared war against you, your nation would not have fought in Europe. Stalin would have crushed the German army as their ancestors crushed the armies of Napolean. You may argue that the usa prevented France and Western Europe from being commie states, but that didn't happen.
European Imperialism has not been replaced by yankee law and order. Your form of imperialism has not a shread of difference from the imperialism of France, Germany, Belgium or Spain. It is quite different from British imperialism, say what you will about the brits they did foster the rule of law in most of their colonies. Most nations of the former british empire are democracies.
How many democracies have the usa overthrown in the 60 years since the end of WWII? How many democratic states has the usa threatened with war or harm if we didn't follow your lead in the last 60 years? The USSR didn't launch half the wars of agression that your country did, nor did they overthrow a third of the governments that your country did.
The EU wasn't founded because of anything your nation did, or didn't do. It was founded as a way of preventing future wars on a continent that has seen a bit too much of it. While the Europeans may look on the glories of the past with some fondness, they don't have far to look from those glories to see the cost of them. I doubt any of them want to restore any of their former empires, but are disappointed that you want to go where they once were. Who's best equiped to councel a young person away from a life of prostitution or violence? A whore/thief or a priest?
In 1940, the German air force (Luftwaffe) began a systematic aerial campaign of attacking Royal Air Force bases and installations across the Channel. Historians generally agree that a few more months of this precision bombing would have left the RAF unable to defend England from lack of aircraft, and more importantly and more difficult to replace, aircrew. In September, to great fanfare, the Luftwaffe switched to bombing cities and civilian targets.
Like the Zeppelin raids of 25 years before, the "Blitz" only steeled the resolve of the population, exactly the opposite of the intended effect. [Military strategists agree that this effect is always a result of bombing civilian populations.] Moreover, the respite from constant attacks gave the RAF time to recover, and Germany's chance to launch their invasion of England was gone. Virtually from then on, Germany was on the defensive in Europe. This was about a year before the USA entered WW II.
Okay, and you are just as bad as the Americans since you think like they do - everybody has evil motives, but WE are so pure, in that case the Brits. Or else you're a yankee who has read the wrong books. Learn some history and then com back.
It was the noble Brits who invented concentration camps during the Boer War - or are they still not teaching you that aspect at school in the UK??????? If you still believe in the "noble" British empire, you definitely had exceptionally lousy history teachers.
Canuck actually.
Yes, the brits are/were as bad as you want to be. They were more competent at ruling the world than you are.
The brits invent the concentration camp??? Pray tell, what do you call an indian reservation?
Like I said, the Europeans are/were rather nasty bastards. That history does give them the right to talk to your countrymen as if they are wayward children. They are not saints, nor did I imply they were.
I am European!! I am not defending the Yanks, I never would! But I can't accept misrepresentations of history by anybody.
Re concentration camps, check their genesis on the web.
I know that the first use of what were called concentration camps were made by the brits in SA. But the concept really is older than that. The natives of NA were shipped into Reserves. Which are not that different from a concentration camp although to be fair, neither Canada nor the usa has had to use barbed wire to keep the inmates in. Prisoner of war camps have a long history, in the case of SA the brits jailed the people who were supporting the Boars.
Misrepresentation? No, just asking if the interpretation of history that we accept is really what happened. Are we really as lily white as we'd like others to see us? I don't think so, I think that if humans can think of a way to screw each other they'll do it and justify their actions afterwards.
"It was British pluck that overcame the Nazi menace, no thanks to you at all. Had Hitler not declared war against you, your nation would not have fought in Europe. Stalin would have crushed the German army as their ancestors crushed the armies of Napolean. You may argue that the usa prevented France and Western Europe from being commie states, but that didn't happen."
Laughable. O How the mighty have fallen.
Interesting to note what you took exception to in what I wrote. Agreed with everything else?
Oh my:
"The USSR didn't launch half the wars of aggression that your country did, nor did they overthrow a third of the governments that your country did."
No, I suppose they didn't. Forced labor camps. Killing perhaps a million more Jews than Hitler? I suppose you're right. They had something going for them.
Considering part of my family comes from Ukraine, I'm not likely to talk about the humanity of the USSR. The USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship, what's your excuse for acting like them? You're quite wrong to suggest that they killed over 7 million jews, but they did kill 10 million Ukranians.
Forced labour camps... Are they anything like the current modern day us prison? Where inmates work for pennies to enrich the corporations that profit from that form of slave/indentured service? That of course doesn't count the numbers of people in the Americas who've been killed by agents of the us gov't. Think of all those former Spanish and Portugese colonies where the graduates of the School of the Americas went to work.
Your version of history is quite strange. The British and France declared war on Germany for invading Poland. Hitler had no desire or intention to invade England, they just wanted to get you off the continent once you declared war. Your retreat was executed perfectly. In fact, Stalin invaded Poland as well a short while later and took over the eastern half. Yet, Stalin became an ally of yours. And at the end of the war, although you fought to defend Polands sovereignty (after handing over the Czechs-wink wink) , so says the official story, Poland ended up losing half of her territory to the Soviet Union and the other half was under Soviet control with a puppet government. Poland must be grateful for your intervention.
The Brits Imperialism and "Free" Trade involved the Slave Trade (the slaves America inherited were imported by the Brits, and Spain, Portugal, the Dutch and the French all had a hand in the slave trade in the rest of the Americas) and Opium trade (remember China, they have not forgot). Millions starved in the colonies in India due to mandatory food exports, dictated by "free trade" policies, in a time of food shortages due to droughts left millions without food. Rule of law. LOL.
And should we forget convict labour being sent to Australia to colonize that continent?. Most of those sent were guilty of nothing more than being in debt, or for political reasons. Women and Children alike were "exported".
How about the great Irish genocide under Cromwell that resulted in the deaths of 20% of the Catholic population, property confiscation and ethnic cleansing of most of the rest. Over 10,000 Irish were sent to the Americas to work as indentured servants, another form of slavery.
No, you see today, America has just taken over the reigns of British Imperialism and Free Trade. The Brits have just outsourced the dirty work. Those Americans who do good, get knighted by the Queen.
One of the reasons the Brits find Afghanistan to be more worthy of their troops than Iraq is the poppy. The drug trade really took a hit when the Taliban virtually eliminated poppy production in 2000. This problem is resolved and the world is flooded with opium. The Opium trade lives on via DOPE Inc, and you know who controls that, right?.
The EU was founded to better control Europeans under Anglo-American rule. NATO and the US military presence in Europe ensures there will be no war among European nations. Of course, the groundwork is being laid for the next great war with Russia and Asia, hence the NATO expansion into the Balkans and Caucuses. You guys will be a bit close to the action.
But you are right, Anglo-American Imperialism has been the biggest obstacle to global democracy. Any democracy that formed, we would label it as socialist if it did not give into our demands to expolit their resources. Then we would use the War against Communism to justify regime change. Today we use terrorism as an excuse.
Many of the Global elite behind this imperialism, also called Globalization, are European. Looking at global events from a national perspective is sure to lead to wrong conclusions. There is in effect a defacto Global Government in place now. Not saying they are completely united in everything, but the long term objectives of One World Government are shared. And the end justifies the means, so they believe, so if evil need be done for the greater good as they see it, it is done.
[Hitler had no desire or intention to invade England]
Hitler planned for war with the British Empire to begin in 1945, the Brits didn't let him get that far.
[Stalin became an ally of yours]
Yours as well, as Churchill said at the time 'should Hitler attack hell I could make favourable mention of the devil.'
[Poland must be grateful for your intervention.]
They did seem to have been. Had the UK fought in '38 the outcome of the war would not have been favourable, they were not as well armed. You'll note that after Chamberlain returned from Munich the defense industry was booming in the UK, if you bothered to read up on the issue, or looked at when orders were placed for ships/aircraft, artilery and tanks.
[Irish genocide under Cromwell] Spanish inquisition, St. Bart's day massacre of the Prot's of France, pogroms in eastern europe. Yes, as I said above. The Europeans have had the experience of blackening their own names and histories in oceans of blood, gore, treachery and imperialism. Why would they not warn you of the consequences of that road?
Are you really going to suggest that the reason the brits want to be in Afghanistan is that they control the world trade in opium? You do realise that that crop is legally grown in Turkey, don't you? It wasn't the brits who overthrew the Taliban, it was your country that did that, then demanded that NATO send troops to help find Osama. Where is Osama anyhow?
[One World Government]
You must be mad. Who the hell would want to rule the whole world? Been tried before, always fails. Always will fail.
Over 95% of the worlds opium comes from Afghanistan, so either it is cheaper than Turkeys or better quality. If you think the Taliban is being allowed to take all the profits you must be delusional.
If you read my comment more closely you would recognize I believe that the US and British policies are largely one and the same with regard to imperialism, we just do most of the dirt work now.
As for One World Government, never has technology and military dominance allowed it to be possible, as it is today. The first step is in place, the current world economic system is now under control of the private international bankers. Next will come a global currency (not the dollar).
Back to WW II. Hitler had no designs on Britain at the time the British declared war on Germany, but once the war was on that changed, and if Germany had been able to get to Moscow a bit quicker and beat the winter, yeah, the Brits would have been invaded.
If not for Britains promise to intervene on behalf of Poland, which they never delivered on, Poland would have worked out a deal that would have minimized the casualties on their side , especially in Warsaw. Most Polish at the time feel they were betrayed by Britain. So like WW I, the start of the world war was over an absurdity. BTW, Poland was hardly a democracy at the time.
Yes, it is well known the British and Americans were ill prepared for war. Many do not realize it was Anglo-American financing and technology that allowed Hitler to rebuild Germany's economy and military. From Anthony Suttons book on the subject:
" Owen Young, Gerard Swope, Hjalmar Schacht, Bernard Baruch, etc.; the same international banks: J.P. Morgan, Guaranty Trust, Chase Bank; and the same location in New York: usually 120 Broadway.....This group of international bankers backed the Bolshevik Revolution and subsequently profited from the establishment of a Soviet Russia. This group backed Roosevelt and profited from New Deal socialism. This group also backed Hitler and certainly profited from German armament in the 1930s.....
The.......... financial elite knowingly and with premeditation assisted the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 in concert with German bankers. After profiting handsomely from the German hyper-inflationary distress of 1923, and planning to place the German reparations burden onto the backs of American investors, Wall Street found it had brought about the 1929 financial crisis.
Two men were then backed as leaders for major Western countries: Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States and Adolf Hitler in Germany. The Roosevelt New Deal and Hitler's Four Year Plan had great similarities. The Roosevelt and Hitler plans were plans for Fascist takeovers of their respective countries. While Roosevelt's NRA failed, due to then-operating constitutional constraints, Hitler's Plan succeeded..........
When we look at the rise of Hitler and Naziism we find Vacuum Oil and General Electric well represented. Ambassador Dodd in Germany was struck by the monetary and technical contribution by the Rockefeller-controlled Vacuum Oil Company in building up military gasoline facilities for the Nazis. The Ambassador tried to warn Roosevelt. Dodd believed, in his apparent naiveté of world affairs, that Roosevelt would intervene, but Roosevelt himself was backed by these same oil interests and Walter Teagle of Standard Oil of New Jersey and the NRA was on the board of Roosevelt's Warm Springs Foundation. So, in but one of many examples, we find the Rockefeller-controlled Vacuum Oil Company prominently assisting in the creation of Bolshevik Russia, the military build-up of Nazi Germany, and backing Roosevelt's New Deal."
See, these were all necessary steps in the evolution towards a new World Order (a defacto One World Governement at first).
great postslizard