The Right Dictates MSNBC's Programming Decisions
MSNBC's announcement that it is replacing Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews with David Gregory as anchors for its main political events (the upcoming presidential debates and election) vividly illustrates several long-obvious facts. First, nothing changes the behavior of our media corporations more easily than vocal demands and complaints from the Right, which petrify media executives and cause them to snap into line. From today's New York Times article identifying some of the causes for MSNBC's decision:
The change -- which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle -- is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel's perceived shift to the political left. . . . When the vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin lamented media bias during her speech, attendees of the Republican convention loudly chanted "NBC" . . . . Mr. Olbermann, a 49-year-old former sportscaster, has become the face of the more aggressive MSNBC, and the lightning rod for much of the criticism. . . . The McCain campaign has filed letters of complaint to the news division about its coverage and openly tied MSNBC to it. . . . Al Hunt, the executive Washington bureau chief of Bloomberg News, said that the entire news division was being singled out by Republicans because of the work of partisans like Mr. Olbermann.This was preceded by an episode in May in which White House Counselor Ed Gillespie "sent a scathing letter to NBC News, accusing the news network of 'deceptively' editing an interview with President Bush on the issue of appeasement and Iran." Gillespie warned NBC as follows:
I'm sure you don't want people to conclude that there is really no distinction between the "news" as reported on NBC and the "opinion" as reported on MSNBC, despite the increasing blurring of those lines. I welcome your response to this letter, and hope it is one that reassures your broadcast network's viewers that blatantly partisan talk show hosts like Christopher Matthews and Keith Olbermann at MSNBC don't hold editorial sway over the NBC network news division.Yesterday, Gillespie got exactly the "response" that he demanded from a super-compliant MSBNC. There is no question whatsoever that the Bush administration, the McCain campaign, and the Right generally have recently made it a top priority to force MSNBC to remove Olbermann (and Chris Matthews) from playing a prominent role in its election coverage, and MSNBC has now complied with the Right's demands. Does it need to be explained why it is disturbing in the extreme that the White House and the McCain campaign can so transparently dictate MSNBC's programming choices?
Second, in response to media criticism that the press is insufficiently substantive and adversarial to political power, the claim is frequently made that media outlets are simply driven by the profit motive, and that their programming choices are nothing more than a by-product of ratings. But in MSNBC's case, that is plainly untrue. Back in 2003, they actually canceled their highest-rated program, Phil Donahue's show, for purely ideological reasons -- because, at a time when the establishment "liberal media" were systematically amplifying the Government's pro-war views and excluding anti-war views, that short-lived MSNBC show was one of the only venues in America where one could hear anti-war viewpoints, and NBC's fear of angering the Government and the Right clearly caused them, first, to impose extreme and unusual restrictions on the show's content, and then to cancel it altogether.
And now here is MSNBC publicly removing (and therefore diminishing) the person who is, by far, its most valuable asset: Keith Olbermann. The NYT article noted:
As Mr. Olbermann raised his voice, his ratings rose as well, and he now reaches more than one million viewers a night, a higher television rating than any other show in the troubled 12-year history of the network. As a result, his identity largely defines MSNBC. "They have banked the entirety of the network on Keith Olbermann," one employee said. . . . At an anniversary party for Mr. Olbermann in April, [NBC CEO Jeff] Zucker called "Countdown" "one of the signature brands of the entire company."The irrefutable fact is that nothing attracts ratings for MSNBC -- and nothing has attracted ratings in the entire history of that channel -- the way that Olbermann does. Yet here is MSNBC removing him from the anchor position, reducing his role in its political coverage, and clearly diminishing his stature (and implicitly criticizing his coverage). That is extraordinary for a media company to publicly embarrass, diminish and tarnish its own principal asset. It is plainly doing so for ideological, not ratings-based, reasons: namely, it fears doing anything to anger the White House, the McCain campaign and the Right in this country.
Third, this episode demonstrates what Eric Alterman documented several years ago: that the greatest and most transparent myth in American politics is that the U.S. has a "liberal media." That is a myth that is maintained, first and foremost, by defining anyone who isn't Rush Limbaugh as a "liberal." Hence, people such as the wife of Bush official Dan Senor (Campbell Brown) is a "liberal," as is Alan Greenspan's wife (Andrea Mitchell), along with establishment-worshipers such as Rush-Limbaugh-admirer Brian Williams, right-wing-talking-points-spouting Charlie Gibson, and anyone who writes for the war-enabling New York Times and Washington Post.
Perhaps nothing demonstrates this absurd dynamic more than the painfully inane perception that Chris Matthews -- for years a prime target of liberal media critics -- is some sort of "liberal." That's the same "liberal" Chris Matthews who, over the years, has said things like this:
I like [George Bush]. Everybody sort of likes the president, except for the real whack-jobs, maybe on the left . . . We're proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who's physical, who's not a complicated guy like Clinton or even like Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys, McGovern. They want a guy who's president. Women like a guy who's president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. . . . Why don't the damn Democrats give the president his day? He won today. He did well today. . . . Thank you very much. James Jeffrey, assistant to Condoleezza Rice. We're huge fans [of Rice] -- bring her back with you next time.Or see the "liberal" Matthews fawning over Fred Thompson's attractive manliness and Rudy Giuliani's powerful authority and the charming masculinity of Republicans versus the "geekier, nerdier" Democrats. That is who is deemed to be a "liberal" in our political culture because the reality, as Atrios frequently puts it, is that the only hard and fast rule is: "Your liberal media: no liberals allowed."
This has been going on for years. As I wrote in response to the uproar generated at places like The New Republic over the fact that MSNBC has now given an actual liberal, Rachel Maddow, her own show and is thereby jeopardizing non-partisan, objective, high-minded journalism:
Over the past seven years, the following people have hosted prime-time cable news shows: Joe Scarborough (MSNBC), Michael Savage (MSNBC), Glenn Beck (CNN), Tucker Carlson (MSNBC), Nancy Grace (CNN), Bill O'Reilly (Fox) and Sean Hannity (Fox). None of that seemed to bother the likes of [TNR's Sacha] Zimmerman. None of that was depicted as the downfall of objective journalism or the destruction of civil, elevated, high-minded discourse.Several of those hosts had and continue to have atrocious ratings (Carlson, Beck, Scarborough), yet were kept for years.
Beyond that, network and cable shows routinely convene panels filled with right-wing views and devoid of anything remotely approaching liberalism, and that creates no controversy. Just this past weekend, I subjected myself while traveling to ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos, and the panel discussing Sarah Palin was composed of right-wing ideologue George Will, establishment-spokesperson Cokie Roberts, and reporter Sam Donaldson. That is typical for television panels: right-wing partisans such as Will are "balanced" not by any liberals but by allegedly "neutral journalists" such as Roberts or Donaldson. That's because the Right has created a reality where anyone who isn't explicitly Rush Limbaugh is deemed to be a "liberal" (hence, Donaldson likely qualifies) and no actual liberal ever needs to be included. That's how we have a "liberal media" where the principal rule is that actual liberals are systematically excluded, and it's why the ascent of Olbermann (who is, in fact, far more of a Bush critic than a doctrinaire liberal) has created such turmoil -- because it violates that central rule prohibiting liberals from appearing in the Liberal Media.
Finally, and perhaps most notably of all, Olbermann's role as anchor somehow destroys the journalistic brand of both MSNBC and NBC, while Fox News continues to be deemed a legitimate news outlet by our political and media establishment. Fox does this despite (more accurately: due to) its employing Brit Hume as its main anchor -- someone who is every bit as partisan and ideological as Keith Olbermannn is (at least), who regularly spews the nastiest and most vicious right-wing talking points, yet because he's not a liberal, is deemed to be a legitimate news anchor.
The Washington Post's Howie Kurtz -- while repeatedly lamenting the ascent of Olbermann (and Maddow) as a threat to objective journalism -- proclaims that "Hume is no partisan brawler" while Charlie Gibson gushes: "He has a wonderful style which makes you want to hear what Brit has to say, in an age when so many people are in your face." The Associated Press recently declared that Fox News has never gone as far as MSNBC in producing partisan news coverage, asserting that "Olbermann's popularity and evolving image as an idealogue (sic) has led NBC News to stretch traditional notions of journalistic objectivity" and that "Fox has never done that, perhaps mindful of the immediate controversy that would result." Even the NYT article this morning echoed this view of Fox, noting:
While some critics argued that [Olbermann's] assignment was akin to having the Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly anchor on election night -- something that has never happened -- MSNBC insisted that Mr. Olbermann knew the difference between news and commentary.The proper analogy to Olbermann as anchor is not O'Reilly as anchor, but Brit Hume as anchor. Hume explicitly acknowledges his political conservatism. His entire show relentlessly promotes a right-wing narrative. Every night, he convenes panels composed of right-wing partisans such as Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Fred Barnes, and Mort Kondracke, and -- at most -- sometimes "balances" that with one of those allegedly neutral journalists such as Mara Liasson. Everything Brit Hume touches is designed to promote a right-wing perspective, yet he continues to be held out as some sort of legitimate news anchor -- he actually hosted a Democratic Party presidential debate in 2004 -- while MSNBC's promotion of Keith Olbermann is some unique threat to the profession of journalism.
The single dumbest claim in our political culture is that the huge corporations which own our establishment media outlets promote a "liberal" ideology. Why would General Electric ever use NBC and its other media assets to promote political liberalism? They lavishly benefit from the whole panoply of right-wing policies -- from endlessly expanding defense spending to deregulation. Their multiple businesses depend upon maintaining good relations with the right-wing ideologues who run our Government. Even ignoring all of the above-documented empirical facts, the very idea that a corporation like GE -- or Viacom (CBS), Disney (ABC) and Time Warner (CNN) -- would actively promote a left-wing agenda in its news divisions and undermine the very Government power centers on which they rely has been the most self-evidently moronic premise one can imagine. As Viacom CEO Sumner Redstone confessed in 2004:
Senator Kerry is a good man. I've known him for many years. But it happens that I vote for Viacom. Viacom is my life, and I do believe that a Republican Administration is better for media companies than a Democratic one.And yet the myth of the large-corporation-owned "Liberal Media" persists, and even intensifies.
This decision by MSNBC is as alarming as it is illustrative. They just implicitly chided and overtly demoted their most popular and valuable news personality because the White House, the McCain campaign and the Right demanded that they do so. It's fine for Brit Hume to host a "news program" and for hard-core right-wing ideologues to dominate cable news. The fact that Dick Cheney (understandably) viewed Tim Russert's Meet the Press as the ideal forum to allow the White House to "control the message" bothered nobody outside of a few online critics, and didn't remotely impede the perception of Russert as the Beacon of Tough and Objective Journalism. But MSNBC's ratings-based decision to feature Keith Olbermann is a grave threat to modern journalism and must be stopped. So decrees the White House and the McCain campaign, and so the GE-owned MSNBC complies.
UPDATE: There's one other point really worth making here. Throughout the primary season, Clinton supporters were furious at what they endlessly complained was MSBNC's biased coverage in favor of Obama and, more so, its intensely hostile coverage of Hillary Clinton. Whatever one's views on the primary war were, there is no question that Olbermann and Matthews in particular were extremely hostile to Clinton and supportive of Obama. But MSNBC executives ignored those complaints, even derided and mocked them, with MSNBC executive Phil belittling angry Clinton supporters in The New Yorker as nothing more than abused, disillusioned girlfriends with nowhere else to go:
[J]ust as Obama must work to win Clinton supporters for the fall campaign, Phil Griffin has to repair a fractured audience base, a portion of which saw sexism in his network's Clinton coverage and vowed to boycott MSNBC. Griffin knows that some of that anger is aimed at his star anchor. "It was, like, you meet a guy and you fall in love with him, and he's funny and he's clever and he's witty, and he's all these great things," Griffin said of the relationship between Olbermann and the Clinton supporters among his viewers. "And then you commit yourself to him, and he turns out to be a jerk and difficult and brutal. And that is how the Hillary viewers see him. It's true. But I do think they're going to come back. There's nowhere else to go."Again, regardless of what one thought of the primary wars or even MSNBC's coverage of the Clinton/Obama race, the contrast between (a) MSNBC's dismissive reaction to complaints of bias from Clinton supporters and (b) its obedience to similar complaints from the Right is stark and revealing. The overriding attribute of the Liberal Media is a deep and abiding fear of angering the Right.
Relatedly, I'll be on Rachel Maddow's radio show tonight (exact time posted once I know it) to discuss the Right's complaints about media bias in the context of the presidential campaign. Local listings and live audio feed are here. Rachel's MSNBC show debuts tonight.
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I gotta tell ya...I'm starting to worry about the mentality of people in this country. When you ask Repubs just WHAT it is they like about Palin, I hear stuff like..."she hunts, she fishes, she shops at Wal-mart just like regular moms, and she's REAL." "She could've had an abortion but gave birth to a DS baby anyway." "She comes from a small town & understands small town values" But when you ask them what policies she supports that they approve of, all I get is, "she wants drilling & she's against abortion". THAT'S IT!!! With all thats facing this country after 8yrs under Bush, the fact that she bring NOTHING to the table other than a beauty queen smile, the ability to read a prepared speech & a questionable record as mayor/govenor (which somehow qualifies her to potentially lead our nation). Since the RNC, she's made a few campaign stops with McCain, where she's trotted out to make a 15min version of the speech she already gave at the RNC (complete with the same lies I might add) then MCain takes over and repeats HIS same lies about Obama raising their taxes and these people cheer like the sheep they are. Of course, when the camera pans the crowd, you see mostly older white men & women (the kind that don't use the internet to check the facts & get most of their information from Fox/Fix news & Bill O'Reilly.) Don't believe me?
Check this out: http://foxattacks.com/
We are being cheated people. Cheated out our 1 chance to REALLY make a difference in our children's lives. McCain talks about change then turns around and hires Steve Schmidt to head his campaign. The same man who ran Bush's campaign in '00. The same man who was behind the smear campaign against MCCAIN in SC by suggesting his adopted black daughter was really his illegitimate love child!!! Does that matter to McShame? HELL NO!!! Its all about winning now and ALL the stops are being pulled out. Lets face it, at his age (72) this is his last shot at the Oval office and he's going to do EVERYTHING to acheive his goal. Even run the kind of negative campaign he swore he wouldn't. Even if it means using Karl Rove behind the scenes. After all, "Bush's Brain" did such a great job beating him before, didn't he???
And now, after compaining that the media is "picking on" poor Palin for daring to question her qualifications as VP & not being "properly deferential", she's finally going to give an interview to Charlie "softball" Gibson. We've got less than 56 days to get past the hype and find out where she stands on the issues people!!!! And THIS is probably the best we're going to get??? Lemme tell you something Charlie, you better not screw this up. The lives of millions of people and of their children are literally in YOUR hands. Your reputation and that of ABC news is on the line and I guarantee that if there's even a WHIFF of pandering, there is going to be deafening howls of outrage directed at you!!! We will NOT accept softball questions or pre-prepared questions already approved by the RepubliCONs (led by Karl Rove.) Matter of fact, I think its time to take this criminal out of the equation don't you?!?
http://sendkarlrovetojail.com
Wake up people...Our country needs you to make the right choice! Eight is Enough!!!!!!
Bring America Back !!!! Had not heard this about Olberman so thanks mr greenwald for that. Mainstream media is under control esp where it is ultra sensitive to mid-east politics.........War is so Great for the headlines and for continued sustained print, video, audio, internet, and now even the crawlers.
***In two days just don't forget the Mother of Modern War reporting==9/11 and
Mainstream Media does not want the TRUTH of that day to ever come out either !
It is still under Big Cover as they continue to blame Boogeyman bin Laden and 19 merry flunkouts. BUT, we will have our DEEP THROAT, we will follow the big bucks $$$ they took from 4000 innocent human beings., if Olberman will keep screaming the TRUTH we are going to be there listening.
**To hell with the DEBATES==John Kerry beat the s--t out of W in the last ones,
and they still found a way to get King George back to the throne.
I personally know several Hillary Clinton supporters who will never watch Olbermann ever again. In fact, I have pretty much stopped watching all of the news channels. I'm too busy watching my new channels, IFC, Sundance, and Discovery Health. :-)
I can see it all now! This is going to be another election that the Republican's steal one way of another. Republican's are going to indulge in their underhanded tactic's to keep the fascist regime going. What do the Republican's want? The press already doesn't ask any hard or tough questions of their candidate! So that way the voter is flying blind into a wind storm that's going to tear them apart. They don't point out any error's in judgment from McCain. They don't point out any blatant lies he has told. When Sarah Palin was chosen as VP it was the most nauseating display of partisanship and fawning I have witnessed in years. 'A Pit Bull in Lipstick' was what one article said. It's been a Sarah Palin love fest since she was appointed. For a woman who is little more than a American version of a Muslim Extremist! But, still the Republican whine and bellyache about coverage of their candidate. How much more partisan do these people want the press to get???? And networks honestly wonder why no one bothers with the National News anymore?????? We have all had to start listening to Keith Olbermann because he is the only objective person left on the wasteland know and Main Stream Media. It's becoming clear that the Republican's are trying to control the election. Which is one more reason I will not ever vote for them.
With the softball questions that Russert(RIP) adn others at MSNBC asked, (and allowed to be asked) during the debates, I have no idea why people think they are losing a source of great, unbiased media.
Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews made Sean Hannity look like am impartial observer. Obama may have given Chris Matthews a tingle down his leg but those two guys gave me a pain in the ass!
I recommend the documentary "Orwell Rolls in his Grave" directed by Robert Kane Pappas.
It's the social Darwinist who's ideology is based on natural selection.
The weak die and strong survive. The rich rule and the poor serve.
To them that is the way it is and they see nothing wrong it..
The live by the idea that they rule simply because they are superior.
The poor and the weak must not be allowed to gain any real power or access
To leadership roles.
The illusion of a democracy must be maintained at all cost.. The elites power
Will be protected.
You have seen at the DNC and more blatantly at the RNC..
They the masses as a real threat to the system they have built to grow their wealth and power.
I would agree as to what rich neo-con s feel. However, they are wrong. The poor are NOT weak. If Dubya had to live one day in the life of a poor person--he would lay down and die.If we had a TRULY "level playing field" and a "free mkt" (where no one inherits anything), Dubya would have died in a pool of vomit.
"If we had a TRULY "level playing field" and a "free mkt" (where no one inherits anything), Dubya would have died in a pool of vomit."
Clap, clap, clap, best line I've seen in months.
from the article: "... Yet here is MSNBC removing him from the anchor position, reducing his role in its political coverage, and clearly diminishing his stature (and implicitly criticizing his coverage). That is extraordinary for a media company to publicly embarrass, diminish and tarnish its own principal asset. It is plainly doing so for ideological, not ratings-based, reasons: namely, it fears doing anything to anger the White House, the McCain campaign and the Right in this country."
Some have correctly pointed out that Olbermann is not a lefty, but obviously he is intolerably far to the left for the corporate owners. The real issue here is not the extent to which we agree with Olbermann, but the extent to which press freedom depends upon the whim of corporate giants, by which I hope that we are all appalled.
I am guessing that more people know about Britney Spears' haircuts than about Olbermann's commentaries, even if he is/was MSNBC's biggest asset. Therefore, it's the danger of a good example (think US' Central American policy in the '80s), as opposed to material danger, that he represents. If people are allowed to ask questions, eventually they may get in the habit of asking good ones.
Most RepubliCONs aren't truly interested in the really serious issues facing our country after 8yrs under their party's rule. They'd rather spout lies about Obama being a Muslim (which is a lie) or he's an illegal alien (patently ridiculous) or that we're liberal nut cases who are picking on Palin simply because she's a woman. Or, and this is my favorite, Palin has more national security experience than Obama because Alaska is next to Russia so she's used to "staring into the eyes of Putin on a daily basis." You can't make this $hit up!! And I'm nauseated by the constant remark that she has "more executive experience" than both Obama & Biden. I guess they forget that technically, she's got more than McCain too. But then again, just because you did something, DOESN'T mean you did it WELL. Thank God there is the internet so lies and propoganda can be exposed. The problem is that too many people are too lazy to do the research and find out the facts...They'd rather be spoon-fed sometimes false information by the RepubliCONs because its easier than facing the truth. And since the mainstream media is owned by corporations that have their own interests to protect & promote, you can't rely on them for TRUE fair & balanced reporting. TV reporters don't do "investigative reports" anymore. I can remember the days when those reporters did stuff like going undercover to expose grocery stores soaking meat in bleach to save a few $$$. Well, now they have the chance to make a true difference in the outcome of what is arguably THE most important & historical election in American history. Where is the reporter who still remembers what it means to have a obligation to report the news WITHOUT bias and tell the FACTS so we the people can make OUR OWN informed decisions? Yes, the truth is sometimes scary & messy. But its like forensics...the facts don't lie...people do....
I categorically agree with everything you said in your statement,
- The culture and mindset that is corrupting our society is Laziness.
- Laziness in: Thought, Education, Personal Appearance, Health and Responsibility.
- We need a change.
McCain (born in the Canal Zone; may not even be Constitutionally eligible to serve as president) is closer to being an alien than Obama. He was also a collaborator whom the scumbag Republicans would be calling a Traitor if he was not a GOP candidate.
Making the news safe for our war hero.
What a joke these shows are. It seems that soap opera news shows are the scripted reality shows of the cable networks
Brave new world crap TV.
I like [Glenn Greenwald]. Everybody sort of likes the reporter, except for the real whack-jobs, maybe on the right . . . We're proud of our reporter.
He is right about MSNBC's overwhelming former support of Obama.
I don't own a TV, i prefer to not even look at one, but the free internet in my city forced us to look at something called an MSNBC side guide when connected to the network. All i ever saw were Obama ads and crap about Britney Spears.
What this tells me is GE had their money on Obama. But with the nomination of Palin, they've switched their support. McCain/Palin now looks like a winning ticket (in their eyes).
come on guys,
follow the money, olberman may - or not be MSNBCs biggest asset. but MSNBC is just a small asset held by General Electric.
besides its tv and consumer product holdings, GE's main interests would be GE Energy - rated by some as worse than enron in their business practices. Apart from oil and nuclear power they have a large investment in coal and "clean coal"
in particular - noticed how popular that is with the republicans?
also despite many convictions for defrauding the US government on contracts - as well as for breaching trade regulations by supplying certain foreign countries, they are still among the biggest suppliers of military hardware to the US government.
- and that's just the various divisions, then start looking at how many ex government officials have worked as advisers or board members for companies under the GE umbrella.
companies the size of GE aren't told what to do by a government - they ARE the government. so when it comes to sidelining a popular commentator, they don't care what the viewers might say - and believe me, nobody has to send any memos. be it Phil Donahue, Bill Maher or Keith Olberman, once they speak out in a way that is not "good for the company" they will be shown the door.
So, the extreme right wing ideologues have succeeded in intimidating NBC. Someone over at that network should grow some guts. I am not in love with Matthews or Olberman but I AM IN LOVE WITH FREEDOM OF THE PRESS! They were well within their rights to say to whoever (Tucker Bounds maybe) that they would pull Matthews and Olberman when Fox pulled Hume and Hannity!! The facist movements in Italy, Spain, and Germany included intimidating and blaming the media and setting aside constitutional rights based on protecting the 'homeland' among many other disturbing trends. People in this country better wake up to what a McCain-Palin american landscape will mean for the 'median' american with a deeply politicized supreme court, the continued politicization of the dept. of justice, the further co-opting of our society by the military-industrial complex, and government devoted to corporate america. This is a SIGNIFICANT development in further eroding the average american's access to TRUTH AGAINST POWER!
Their ratings were in teh crapper. Seems peoel like to decide for themselves. Neo-cons dont . That's why they have FOX.
This will make your blood boil.
From today's New York Times:
"...Tom Brokaw and Brian Williams, the past and present anchors of “NBC Nightly News,” have told friends and colleagues that they are finding it tougher and tougher to defend the cable arm of the news division, even while they anchored daytime hours of convention coverage on MSNBC and contributed commentary each evening."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/business/media/08msnbc.html?pagewanted=2&em
Brian Williams is a WAR CRIMINAL who is involved in the biggest media scandal in history. Does he think we all forgot?
"...NEW YORK The massive New York Times probe 10 days ago about retired military officers, prepped by the Pentagon, who served as influential television commentators since the runup to the Iraq war -- and also have conflicting ties to defense contractors -- has sparked a serious backlash among many journalists, such as Howard Kurtz, and others since it ran a week and a half ago.
But one group has remained largely silent: the television networks themselves.
Despite an avalanche of criticism throughout the blogosphere, and by a handful of journalism veterans and critics, the news chiefs and on-air hosts at CNN, FOX, ABC, NBC, and CBS, have had little reaction to the revelations concerning the "Media Generals."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3357125
** Nuremburg told us that those who propagandize for war are as guilty as those who plan and execute it. Brian Williams did scores interviews with Generals with ties to Defense Contractors who pimped heavily for the war. He has yet to comment on any of this. Brian Williams has some gall coming down on Keith Olbermann for ANYTHING. I'll repeat it...Brian Williams is a WAR CRIMINAL.
Agreed - watching the "reporting/commentary" at the GOP made me nauseous. I too believe the majority of corporate media are guilty of war crimes..Mr. Greenwald wrote another piece on Brian Williams response - (on his blog) - about the message force multipliers program.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/04/30/williams/index.html
Did anyone hear Thomas Freidman on Fresh Air today?... As turned off as I have been by NPR this past yerar, this was a great interview. He slams the GOP for encouraging "Drill, Baby Drill".
Thomas Friedman is a horrible globalist neo-con war monger who wrote in one of his books not ironically and with total approval that "MacDonald Douglas protects McDonalds" in it's attempt to wipe out local farmers and food. He also enthusiastically supported the invasion of Iraq along with other Dim party supporting hawks.
Of course his war mongering corporate globalist b.s. isn't selling too well these days as even the densest people are seeing though it, so he is trying to reinvent himself as a green. Literally don't buy it, punish him on the news stands for supporting the horrible invasion of Iraq and corporate globalism/out sourcing by not reading anything he writes. Thanks!
He is exactly the sort of "centrist" "moderate" centralist "liberal" who I think is a far bigger part of the problem than the paleo-cons who ALSO like us oppose American empire and global trade.
"MSM is just distraction to keep us from questioning the fact that globalist corporations and banks are robbing us blind. Although the so called left sees this better IMO than the right I also think the paleo-con/Ron Paul criticisms of the Federal Reserve and currency manipulations are also VERY useful and that many of us on the "left" miss them because of the source."
Correct!
I never thought of Thomas Friedman as a liberal.
Self proclaimed liberal, the worse kind. :)
The fact he wrote "The Lexus and the Oilve Tree" and "The World is Flat" both blatant endorsements of "Chicago School" globalization means he ought to be on our permanent ban list IMO. Read Naomi Klein's excellent Shock Doctrine to see the evils of Chicago School economics in practice. And the after that read "The Economic Hitmen" by John Perkins.
He was originally for giving Bush and the Iraq war a chance to "democrafy" the mid-east. I think he's realized his error, but he seems to support the centrist/globalist agenda.
Hey, I was impressed with his performance on "Meet the Press" last Sunday too. What matters is where he now stands--we need all the help we can get. Now. Anyone that wants to reinvent or redeem themselves for the better should be cut a break.
Why give him a break and fatten his bank account? Rather we should be demanding more MSM air time for people who have trenchant analysis of what is happening in the world like Chomsky, Goodman, Arundhati Roy, Bell Hooks, Wendell Berry, etc.
Wendell Berry could mop the floor with Friedman in any debate about the environment given a chance.
It's pretty obvious what happened. The right let Olbermann and co go on until Clinton's campaign had been squelched. She was the candidate they most feared. Once that had been accomplished, they called them off and got back to the business of electing McCain.
They didn't fear Clinton, they set their highest hopes on her--for she like no other, motivates the Republican base. Clinton did enough damage to Democratic aspirations and this revisionist fawning over her is a blatant lie. Olbermann saw her for who she was and what she was doing. I have to commend him for that.
The Right Dictates MSNBC's Programming Decisions.
The Right Dictates CNN's Programming Decisions.
The Right Dictates FOXNews's Programming Decisions.
The Right Dictates CBS's Programming Decisions.
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The Right Dictates ABC's Programming Decisions.
The Right Dictates the Programming Decisions
The Right, of course, means both Democrats and Republicans, the unified war/fascism Party.
Biased as hell--I happen to AGREE with the former anchors--well, I never "got a tingle up my leg"--as far as Bush. But, their "all out" for Obama (and calling people like Katie Courac the "worst person in the world", allowing Roy Secof to say that Clinton was "backstage runner up at a Miss USA pageant, waiting for he nude photo ops") did more to create PUMA, and lost Obama more votes, than FOX ever could . The Left doesnt need its own FOX--arent we supposed to be smarter than that? I am as liberal as they come, and sometimes I was just embarassed for Olbermann. He was funny at first. Then, he and Matthews became ridiculous.It DOES matter how you play. In middle America (where Obama is behind) it just played terribly. If Obama can have an interview with O'Reilly, dont you think he can take not having the "Obama station"?-
Cut us a break.
Clinton played like a Republican and even ENDORSED McCAIN over Obama on more than one occasion and continued to demand deferrence and sympathy for being robbed of her entitlement while she tried to out macho the good old boys. Actually, she ushered in the Palin model. We always hear about the Clinton female supporters pouting that their "feelings are hurt". As a woman, I can't imagine any worse portrayal of women if they want to be taken seriously and play with the grown-ups. And those PUMA princessess obviously had an agenda seeking the spotlight. Jerks like Tweety used them to stir the pot.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Review what you wrote.
Seek a PhD. in psychiatry or a medical facility immediately!
Did you forget to take your meds?
4 out of 5 psychotics while preoccupied on the internet forget to take their meds.
Take care, dude.
Yeah I agree, he's not making any sense. And I also happen to agree with you while also agreeing with the article. This "liberal media" crap is the most ridiculous whopper there is, but we don't need our own version of Fox. I've tried listening to Air America, and I can't stomach it. We need something more along the lines of Democracy Now... less commentary, great debates, getting out and covering the stories that aren't being told. Let the stories speak for themselves, that's what journalism is all about.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Epicurus
What in the fuck are you talking about? Are you over 12 yrs old?
hootowl September 8th, 2008 6:06 pm
paleo-cons Amconmag is certainly not my idea of folks farther right than neocons. They are not extremists at all in my view. Do they hold some extreme views yes, but not the Far Right by any means. There is nothing to the right of the neocons like Cheney and Pearlre except Atilla the Hun. And I may have just insulted Atilla.
Actually far more useful to my mind than left v.s. right is centralist/globalist v.s. localist/bio-regionalist
Looked at this way you have Greens, direct action anti authoritarian leftists, and New England town meeting desiring paleo-cons and even some milita people
v.s.
centrists like 90% of the now neo-conned Republicans + 90% of the now global trade supporting and me too war mongering Democrats possibly minus Kucinich.
As far as I am concerned a lot of the left v.s. right and conservative v.s. liberal discussion we see in the MSM is just distraction to keep us from questioning the fact that globalist corporations and banks are robbing us blind. Although the so called left sees this better IMO than the right I also think the paleo-con/Ron Paul criticisms of the Federal Reserve and currency manipulations are also VERY useful and that many of us on the "left" miss them because of the source.
Ron Paul??
Ron Paul has been very active in trying to get the Federal Reserve shut down. The Federal Reserve BTW is a group of PRIVATE banks that make a great deal of interest money issuing the currency that then gets turned into the Federal debt that they make even more money off of... For some reason Ron Paul supporters and paelo-cons are onto this scam and the left other than maybe Holly Sklar (sp?) seems to have missed it... It's really too bad, Paul is wrong about a lot things like being anti choice, and for deregulating industry but he's right on the uhh money on this one, and we on the left ought to be looking into it, IMO.
Ron Paul's voting record in Congress is almost identical to Dennis Kucinich's voting record.
I've been tracking both for a long time.
Labels, shmables! It's time we stopped labeling everything and everybody and actually looked into the specifics.
Maybe far right is the wrong term but I KNOW from reading their material they consider themselves to be more "conservative" than neo-cons who they accuse of being unreformed Trotskyite leftists. Googling neo-con and Trotsky will get you some very interesting history, BTW.
You have a point, these guys are mostly ex McGovernites from the 70's.
As the election comes down to the final 60 days, it is important for all of us to realize that just because you cast a vote doesn't mean it will be counted.
We Democrats saw this happen to us in 2000 when throngs of GOP hoods stormed on an electorate who still believed in Democracy and prevented the correct vote to be recorded. We saw it in the ruling made by a biased Supreme Court. We saw it again in 2004 when in Ohio, votes for John Kerry were tossed away and trashed. Votes that could have made the difference in the election and saved many lives that have been lost in the ensuing four years after Bush was again sworn in in a fraudulent election. HBO did a special, reporting and revealing just how Kerry's votes were stolen. Kerry's votes were our votes too, and we were once again robbed ...victims of our "democracy."
This time around is no difference. Obama's campaign has registered thousands of students who wish to participate in this election. In West Virginia, the students have been threatened that if they register at college they will lose their status as dependents on their parents tax returns, lose scholarships, and be deprived of car and health insurance covered by their parents. This is only the beginning.
West Virginia is not the only state doing this. North Carolina is also practicing these procedures in a desperate attempt to steal this election. Others are following suit.
Civil Right Lawyers have confronted the IRS and been assured that this is not the case, that these states evidently do not know the laws pertaining to registration. Of course, AFTER the election, this will not matter. The courts have to act and act now to protect each person's God given right to his/her ballot and the right to choose for whom they cast their vote.
This election is the most important election in our life times. For those of you who are voting for the first time, beware. Make sure your vote counts. You are not only voting for yourself, but for your children's future. You have a choice between an old man who has survived in politics on the basis of his war record---42,000 men were lost in that war. He was one of the lucky ones who came home;. He desserted his critically injured wife for a younger woman and married millions. He has served 26 years in the Senate, was one of the Keating five involved in the Lincoln Savings and Loan fiasco tht cost this country fortunes in a bail out and escaped prison by ratting on his accomplices. He wants to give you four more years of what you have just undergone.
Or you have his would be successor...Sarah Palin, who is the epitome of lies, lies and more lies, just a heart beat away from governing our nation with her idealogy of book banning, anti-nature programs, vindictive actions against anyone who crosses her, her fanatical beliefs on birth control, and her general ideas that coincide with those that have been programmed into her Karl Rovian mind. Governor Palin likes to joke about Obama's community service----she did so at the GOP convention in a sarcastic voice that all there applauded. VP nominee Palin, with her right wing religious beliefs should remember that Jesus did community service and Pontius Pilate was a governor. Sarcasm is a poor substitute for knowledge.
For those of us who are long time voters, we know the ropes. We also know the consequences. We know the brilliant past when we didn't have to work two jobs to make a living, when men lived with dignity and didn't worry about foreclosures and fighting in illegal wars, when America was OUR America and not just the name of a song. We didn't have to worry about a savings and loan criminal "privatizing" Social Security" so our retirement could be invested in a falling stock market, leaving us with no retirement benefits. We know what to watch for. We know to guard our ballot as if it was our life because it IS.
If there is anyone who will not cast a ballot for Obama because he is a black man....it is a crime that you will indeed pay for in the life you will be forced to live under a McCain-Palin administration.
Our Democratic ballot has two constitutional lawyers at the top of the ticket. Obama's brilliance speaks for itself, Joe Biden is a quick-witted senator and lawyer who teaches constitutional law at a college on week ends and has served many distinguished years in the Senate, most current as head of the Foreign Relations Committee.
If we choose not to vote for these two men who can make such a difference in our lives, because we preferred another candidate on the ballot , or because of racial reasons, we deserve exactly what we'll get.
FASCISM.
"This election is the most important election in our life times"
More of the same 'ol scare tactics - you Democrats said the same thing four years ago when you were telling people to vote for pro-war kerry, now you say the same thing again - telling people to vote for pro-war Obama.
Your vote is only important, and counts for something, if you are voting for a step towards building something better: Nader and/or McKinney - not if you are going to vote for more of the same: the McCain/Obama imperial ticket.
http://almusawwir.org/resistance/
"We Democrats" speak for yourself paleface. I would say the "we" on this site is more like hard left direct action activists, Greens and other people disenchanted with BOTH corporate sock puppet parties. And please don't triple post...
Did you even write that screed or get it canned from some DNC clippings file? I hope you are least getting paid to spam us, sigh...
Ohio was stolen in 2004, bigger than shit. Check the lawsuit filed by Tubbs Jones (RIP) and Boxer. They had a "hearing" (LOL) adn nothign ever happend. I dont think having Strickland as governor is going to be enough. It is split right down the middle , as a state. Maybe if the Left wasnt so busy telling everyone i middle America how stupid they are--they might rethink McCain. Otherwise, theyll see Obama as another Kerry.
Actually, the left is succeeding in confusing trolls like K.Delphi that we care about vacuous, self interest and yearn for the days of Fitzgerald and Hoover. Especially, that great shift of wealth to .001% of the population, while 78 million people were out of work, hungry, homeless and not qualified for government subsidies and tax incentives to fund lobbyists.
However, they did participate in the illegal activities of drinking alcoholic beverages, smoking, smoking ? and gambling. Even today almost a trillion dollars of this economy cannot be accounted for, other than Iraq no bid contracts and pallets of $100.00 bills (shrink-wrapped). Stupid people can't do this, can they?
Why is everyone who doesnt totally agree with obama a "troll"? Maybe that is why he's slipping in the polls--anyone who disagrees with YOU is an idiot or insane right//Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Why dont you post another 40 remarks.And, when the Dems are done running another Kerry, you can blame it on Nader voters.
As the election comes down to the final 60 days, it is important for all of us to realize that just because you cast a vote doesn't mean it will be counted.
We Democrats saw this happen to us in 2000 when throngs of GOP hoods stormed on an electorate who still believed in Democracy and prevented the correct vote to be recorded. We saw it in the ruling made by a biased Supreme Court. We saw it again in 2004 when in Ohio, votes for John Kerry were tossed away and trashed. Votes that could have made the difference in the election and saved many lives that have been lost in the ensuing four years after Bush was again sworn in in a fraudulent election. HBO did a special, reporting and revealing just how Kerry's votes were stolen. Kerry's votes were our votes too, and we were once again robbed ...victims of our "democracy."
This time around is no difference. Obama's campaign has registered thousands of students who wish to participate in this election. In West Virginia, the students have been threatened that if they register at college they will lose their status as dependents on their parents tax returns, lose scholarships, and be deprived of car and health insurance covered by their parents. This is only the beginning.
West Virginia is not the only state doing this. North Carolina is also practicing these procedures in a desperate attempt to steal this election. Others are following suit.
Civil Right Lawyers have confronted the IRS and been assured that this is not the case, that these states evidently do not know the laws pertaining to registration. Of course, AFTER the election, this will not matter. The courts have to act and act now to protect each person's God given right to his/her ballot and the right to choose for whom they cast their vote.
This election is the most important election in our life times. For those of you who are voting for the first time, beware. Make sure your vote counts. You are not only voting for yourself, but for your children's future. You have a choice between an old man who has survived in politics on the basis of his war record---42,000 men were lost in that war. He was one of the lucky ones who came home;. He desserted his critically injured wife for a younger woman and married millions. He has served 26 years in the Senate, was one of the Keating five involved in the Lincoln Savings and Loan fiasco tht cost this country fortunes in a bail out and escaped prison by ratting on his accomplices. He wants to give you four more years of what you have just undergone.
Or you have his would be successor...Sarah Palin, who is the epitome of lies, lies and more lies, just a heart beat away from governing our nation with her idealogy of book banning, anti-nature programs, vindictive actions against anyone who crosses her, her fanatical beliefs on birth control, and her general ideas that coincide with those that have been programmed into her Karl Rovian mind. Governor Palin likes to joke about Obama's community service----she did so at the GOP convention in a sarcastic voice that all there applauded. VP nominee Palin, with her right wing religious beliefs should remember that Jesus did community service and Pontius Pilate was a governor. Sarcasm is a poor substitute for knowledge.
For those of us who are long time voters, we know the ropes. We also know the consequences. We know the brilliant past when we didn't have to work two jobs to make a living, when men lived with dignity and didn't worry about foreclosures and fighting in illegal wars, when America was OUR America and not just the name of a song. We didn't have to worry about a savings and loan criminal "privatizing" Social Security" so our retirement could be invested in a falling stock market, leaving us with no retirement benefits. We know what to watch for. We know to guard our ballot as if it was our life because it IS.
If there is anyone who will not cast a ballot for Obama because he is a black man....it is a crime that you will indeed pay for in the life you will be forced to live under a McCain-Palin administration.
Our Democratic ballot has two constitutional lawyers at the top of the ticket. Obama's brilliance speaks for itself, Joe Biden is a quick-witted senator and lawyer who teaches constitutional law at a college on week ends and has served many distinguished years in the Senate, most current as head of the Foreign Relations Committee.
If we choose not to vote for these two men who can make such a difference in our lives, because we preferred another candidate on the ballot , or because of racial reasons, we deserve exactly what we'll get.
FASCISM.
As the election comes down to the final 60 days, it is important for all of us to realize that just because you cast a vote doesn't mean it will be counted.
We Democrats saw this happen to us in 2000 when throngs of GOP hoods stormed on an electorate who still believed in Democracy and prevented the correct vote to be recorded. We saw it in the ruling made by a biased Supreme Court. We saw it again in 2004 when in Ohio, votes for John Kerry were tossed away and trashed. Votes that could have made the difference in the election and saved many lives that have been lost in the ensuing four years after Bush was again sworn in in a fraudulent election. HBO did a special, reporting and revealing just how Kerry's votes were stolen. Kerry's votes were our votes too, and we were once again robbed ...victims of our "democracy."
This time around is no difference. Obama's campaign has registered thousands of students who wish to participate in this election. In West Virginia, the students have been threatened that if they register at college they will lose their status as dependents on their parents tax returns, lose scholarships, and be deprived of car and health insurance covered by their parents. This is only the beginning.
West Virginia is not the only state doing this. North Carolina is also practicing these procedures in a desperate attempt to steal this election. Others are following suit.
Civil Right Lawyers have confronted the IRS and been assured that this is not the case, that these states evidently do not know the laws pertaining to registration. Of course, AFTER the election, this will not matter. The courts have to act and act now to protect each person's God given right to his/her ballot and the right to choose for whom they cast their vote.
This election is the most important election in our life times. For those of you who are voting for the first time, beware. Make sure your vote counts. You are not only voting for yourself, but for your children's future. You have a choice between an old man who has survived in politics on the basis of his war record---42,000 men were lost in that war. He was one of the lucky ones who came home;. He desserted his critically injured wife for a younger woman and married millions. He has served 26 years in the Senate, was one of the Keating five involved in the Lincoln Savings and Loan fiasco tht cost this country fortunes in a bail out and escaped prison by ratting on his accomplices. He wants to give you four more years of what you have just undergone.
Or you have his would be successor...Sarah Palin, who is the epitome of lies, lies and more lies, just a heart beat away from governing our nation with her idealogy of book banning, anti-nature programs, vindictive actions against anyone who crosses her, her fanatical beliefs on birth control, and her general ideas that coincide with those that have been programmed into her Karl Rovian mind. Governor Palin likes to joke about Obama's community service----she did so at the GOP convention in a sarcastic voice that all there applauded. VP nominee Palin, with her right wing religious beliefs should remember that Jesus did community service and Pontius Pilate was a governor. Sarcasm is a poor substitute for knowledge.
For those of us who are long time voters, we know the ropes. We also know the consequences. We know the brilliant past when we didn't have to work two jobs to make a living, when men lived with dignity and didn't worry about foreclosures and fighting in illegal wars, when America was OUR America and not just the name of a song. We didn't have to worry about a savings and loan criminal "privatizing" Social Security" so our retirement could be invested in a falling stock market, leaving us with no retirement benefits. We know what to watch for. We know to guard our ballot as if it was our life because it IS.
If there is anyone who will not cast a ballot for Obama because he is a black man....it is a crime that you will indeed pay for in the life you will be forced to live under a McCain-Palin administration.
Our Democratic ballot has two constitutional lawyers at the top of the ticket. Obama's brilliance speaks for itself, Joe Biden is a quick-witted senator and lawyer who teaches constitutional law at a college on week ends and has served many distinguished years in the Senate, most current as head of the Foreign Relations Committee.
If we choose not to vote for these two men who can make such a difference in our lives, because we preferred another candidate on the ballot , or because of racial reasons, we deserve exactly what we'll get.
FASCISM.
Boy was Sumner Redstone wrong!! The Democrats are just as good for telecom profits as the Republicans.
Yes, I agree with Glenn Greenwald that it's a sad day for the First Amendment when the partisan regime supporting the government that's held nationwide power for the last eight years can successfully, and blatantly, impose content censorship upon NBC, NBC news, MSNBC and Keith Olbermann two months before the upcoming presidential election. So much for any semblance of "balance" anywhere on the spectrum of opportunities that are available on my cable menu, as currently licensed by the FCC.
That said, I must admit that as a viewer who bounced between PBS, CNN and MSNBC for those parts of the recent Democratic and Republican conventions that I was interested in watching, I found the karma between Matthews and Olberman bad, bad, bad as a format for television journalism. Way, way too much intense, constantly dueling alpha male ego one upsmanship for my taste and comfort. I'll miss the bone or two of political substance they tossed to the left side of the fifty yard line, but I won't miss the shallow histrionics one bit.
At the 1964 GOP convention (broadcast from the Cow Palace in San Francisco back when there was only ABC, NBC, or CBS to choose from) rabid Goldwater supporters openly targeted NBC's Chet Huntley and David Brinkley with their wrath and accusations of anti-Republican journalistic bias. Periodic media bashing has been a staple of American politics ever since.
In 1964, NBC did not flinch. Both members of that anchor team weathered the right wing propaganda firestorm, and carried on to have distinguished, long lasting, and commercially successful careers by mainstream standards.
That was then. This is now.
Good night Chet. Good night David.
And good night, NBC news.
Bill from Saginaw
I love to hear the conservative element speak of the "liberal" press,broadcast news, etc....
There is no "liberal" or "conservative" press etc-----------
They sing the tune of those who pay them------------
If more people turn them off---or better yet write to the "sponsors" who pay astronomical amounts of money--to reach the audience who buy their products and services and propaganda---and tell them that you will not buy "X-Brand " of whatever their product or service is------e-mail is even a better format.
Then again: It is important to know what the opposition is listening to, reading, and believing if for no other reason than to better understand what their mind set is.
It is easy to fool an uninformed or under informed audience----the opposite applies as well.
The "right" does dictate programming---but only because the "left" allows it. They are the "consumers of the products" that the networks are there to sell.
We're not talking very brilliant tactics folks---and the audience they play to has already "dumbed themselves down" just to bite the bait; common how "smart" are they to begin with?
It's very important that the corporate media reflect the views of it's owners. You know, the folks who are getting rich at everyone else's expense. Who owns MSNBC, I think it's GE. GE makes war machinery and holds a global monopoly on oil and gas extraction equipment. If we actually do wean ourselves from fossil fuels and war GE stands to lose, so...gotta keep up the killing and destruction. Thus anyone in the media who even comes close to pointing out reality must be eliminated.
Sorry MSNBC....but the picture of David Gregory dancing and laughing with "M.C. Rove"..just won't leave my brain...David Gregory is a partisan hack..too...only for the right...so I will no longer watch MSNBC elections or Convention coverage at all, in the future...not on MSNBC...not CNN and definitely not FOX...I'll tune in to PBS or C-SPAN (my only real complaint about the convention coverage was that Chris Matthews would not STFU..just kept trying to impress every body with his "take" on it all, even to the point of trying to out yell the speakers and the speeches on the floor!!)(and that damn bitter and twisted Joe Scarborough and his entrenched hatred of any thing even remotely left or Democratic..talk about partisn!)..the only network I watch now is the hour that Keith is on Countdown MSNBC....and look forward to the Rachel Maddow show...and that is the ONLY reason I ever watch MSNBC...I try to never watch CNN or FOX
You actually watched that on MSNBC. Yuck.
Of course, the conventions were both crap anyways. But the only way I could stand to watch any of it was via a direct feed my sat system had from the podiums. Not a pundit nor a reporter in site. Just showing what was actually being said at the convention.
Even that I couldn't stomach much of. But the very thought of watching all the pundits and reporters sit around and pontificate with themselves would just make me want to puke. The notion of listening to Chris Mathews for hours .... arggh!
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"To know, and not to do, is not to know"
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
Surrounded by assassins and idiots?
Make the MSM pay We the People Inc. dividends for their lease of our publicly owned airwaves.
If we own the airwaves, why aren't each of us getting paid?
How much are politicians leasing our airwaves for?
How much should We the People lease our airwaves for?
Why do let the MSM bribe politicians to get out of paying us dividends?
Why aren't we issued equal, non-transferable shares in our public airwaves so that We the People can collect our dividends directly?
Uh, dude ... MSNBC is on 'cable'. Its never used an 'airwave' in its life. Talking about 'airwaves' is so 1990 (or earlier).
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"To know, and not to do, is not to know"
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
How does bandwidth sound to you?
The headline of this article states: "the right dictates..." --- and so what else is new? Do people expect anything different from a corporate controlled media? So what if there is a little tiff here and little spite there between the two imperial ruling parties of the US? So what if a trio here and trio there said this or that about some dude or dudesses runing to rule the country (and the world)?
Why should that concern the rest of the people? The problem is that most of the pro-Democratic Party articles on CD makes it out - as if all of these games matter.
Democratic Party supporters want people think that their interest lies with one of the two imperial parties (and the Republicans do the same). But why should those who should know better (and apparently do not) get involved in this game?
Fact is that these kinds of palace coups, and intrigues mean little or nothing for the rest of the population. What matters is the horrendous war driven and faltering economy - and everything that is tied into the economy - education, health-care, killing of people outside of the US. None of which either of the two imperial war parties are willing to tackle. And both have promised more of the same - albeit with different faces.
http://almusawwir.org/resistance/
An Idea For A Think Tank To Undertake:
Why can't we catalog all television, radio and print media sources, empirically record the quantity of pro-liberal versus pro-conservative viewpoints espoused, and crunch the numbers to find out what's what (as if we don't already know).
There are grey areas that would have to be addressed, but there are numerous articles of both conservative and liberal dogma that are practically indisputable.
Just an idea.
Check out FAIR ... Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting or something like that. They've been doing this sort of work for at least a decade.
I'm not sure if it was FAIR or not, but I remember seeing charts in the last election of the numbers of news stories done pro or con to each candidate. So, this is being documented out there.
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"To know, and not to do, is not to know"
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
glen: the media is run by the corporations
there i said it
tv is an endless shitstream of bullshit, lies and faked video
most necessary for the 9/11 fantasy
turn the fucking thing off and get on with your life
send your cell phones back to verizon - that's the redress for them snooping on us
easy
cheers, b
Don't turn the TV off. Its very useful. I use it to watch Democracy Now every day. And other good non-corporate programming. Free Speech TV and World Link are both good channels to check out.
On the other hand, I used the parental blocking features to block out MSNBC and all the other American corporate 'news' channels long ago. That was a distinct improvement in my life and I've never gone back from it.
TV is a tool. Use it wisely. But don't destroy the tool just because many don't use it wisely.
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"To know, and not to do, is not to know"
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
"There's nowhere else to go."
Therein lies the logic fault. Perhaps it's intentional. If so, don't buy into this falsehood.
We have been creating communication alternatives in earnest for years now. Newspapers repeatedly produce red ink balance sheets due to opting for print fluff. Their former subscribers can clearly see that print now consistently fails to address important issues through investigation and timely coverage. Their traditional role as democracy's watchdog has been totally co-opted by corporate greed.
Although the centuries of tradition that print has played cannot be equated directly to the responsibilities of broadcast media, there are community service standards that have applied for decades. For the same reasons that print has utterly failed us, broadcast media is suffering a similar fate. It no longer serves the public in any meaningful way. Industry revenues are already markedly down (excepting the billion(s) in advertising for our political dog and pony show), and the near-term forecast is not bright.
The only impediment to initiating real web based alternatives at this point, is the lack of initiative to provide access to reasonably priced, high speed broadband... for anybody at anytime at any locale. It's coming, but it's slow because we are not *demanding* it from our "leaders", and those who control the resources are treating it like a commodity and artificially inflating subscriber costs. The hijacking of freed digital channels by MSM is criminal and we need to seriously address that issue.
The creation of regular programming by respected journalists and commentators who are not beholding to corporate MSM will be commonplace.
When that system is finally in place, we will have as many blogcasting sites as we now have static blogs that emulate newsprint formats. It will take a few years, but we only have to study the growth rates of video sharing sites and internet TV to get an idea of the trend. Those who have grown up with the internet, demand no less.
When we hear broadcast professionals openly admitting that they do NOT watch any broadcasting (both funny and sad when you think about it), you can understand that the desire for something more relevant, truthful and participatory runs across the board. I am guessing that even though Rachel Maddow has not owned a TV in many years, she does access the web for timely news feeds. Please correct me if that's a misguided assumption.
Turn the broadcast crap off. Create your own reality. Work towards providing real communication alternatives for all. Take the power away from those who abuse it. Disable the system that disenfranchises you. If we are going to change the way we are governed, we have some work to do.
This "move" is most curious, considering that Olbermann has provided the one thing that NBC executives should care solely about, viewers. Perhaps they are hedging their bets as it appears as if the Democrats are yet again doing something they have done all too often since the reign of Grandpa Caligula (Ronald Reagan), snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. In any respect, MSNBC has just lost a viewer with a demographic they salivate thinking about until they reverse this craven act of cowardice.
It would help if Greenwald went to the trouble to make distinctions between liberal views on social issues and liberal views on economic and foreign policy issues, because lumping those together is so critical in convincing the rubes that the corporate media is liberal. The corporate media is run by wealthy East Coast urban sophisticates, who ARE liberal on the social issues. When the propagandists argue that the corporate media is "liberal," they focus on the social issues, and ignore that the media is very conservative on economic issues (tax policy and budget priorities and pro-WTO) and on foreign policy (pro-Israel, pro-MIC). The dishonesty becomes even more disturbing when one recognizes that presidential elections rarely have an impact on the social issues (Bush tricked the gullible rubes into thinking he would push through an anti-gay marriage amendment and Republicans always falsely promise they will put in that final S. Ct. justice to overturn Roe v. Wade) and really are all about the economic and foreign policy issues.
As the corporate media's presentation of the social issues ultimately works to Republican advantage as it convinces the rubes that the media is "liberal," implying that the truth will be found somewhere to the right of the arguments and information presented in the media, to the advantage of corporate elites, the media bosses see no reason to change positions on such issues.
Excellent analysis thanks! I think you are quite right that the culture wars and identity politics are quite consciously used to keep the poor from uniting against the corporate globalist war mongering rich. Every time a "liberal" argues with a "conservative" over say the (obviously Un-Constitutional) ten commandments on a building say, a corporate globalist laughs because they know they'll make bank no matter "side" wins.
I agree with your point that the culture wars and identity politics are promoted consciously by the corporate media to help divide non-elites. I have argued that elsewhere, though I did not specifically mention that in the above comment. It is closely related, however, as that effort dovetails with the goal of lumping together the social issues with the economic and foreign policy issues, allowing for greater obfuscation and manipulation, e.g. a working-class slob might think: "If my candidate X is against abortion, I know he/she is a good person, so when X says let's nuke Russia (or cut taxes on billionaires), I know it is the right thing to do!"
I have felt for years that this extremely simplified one-dimensional political analysis, with the use of one simple term of "liberal" or "conservative" to describe candidates, was part of the reason that political dialogue was at such a primitive level in the US. The level of discourse would improve dramatically if we could talk about at least three dimensions, e.g. (1) economic/tax/trade issues; (2) foreign policy/military and MIC issues; and (3) social issues. Then someone like Ron Paul could be much more adequately described as a CLC and Hillary as a CCL and so on. Of course a scale of one to ten would beat using "C" or "L" and there are any number of other possible improvements. Why isn't anyone promoting this?
Nice analysis except you left out a big one the environment. My theory is, is that if you stopped global trade and empire a LOT of other things would fall in line like the U.S. having a smaller carbon footprint, tax money freed up to spend on sustainable infrastructure and social programs without raising taxes, all the excuses of "security" for a police state would whither away, etc.
When I was a kid growing up in the 70s there was much talk of systems thinking from people like Gregory Bateson and Buckminster Fuller. Whatever happened to that?
I probably should have mentioned the environment. To avoid adding it as a fourth dimension, it would need to go with the economic issues, which it generally does, as there usually is a trade-off between economic development, or certain forms of economic development, and the environment. There are few politicians who are conservative on economic issues and actually liberal on environmental issues (there are many who claim to be liberal on environmental issues, but their records do not support that), though they do exist.
As for systems thinking, utilitarianism (which I believe systems thinking was generally meant to achieve, whether present or future utilitarianism) became unfashionable among the economic elites sometime in the 1970s (including many intellectual elites), and they reverted to Social Darwinism and a kleptocratic approach to government with Reagan. Of course, one could argue that the coming world market and integrated world society would make society-wide utilitarian programs unmanageable, and so reversion to a more conservative approach would make sense. One could also argue that the elites expected the fall of the Soviet Union, believing it inevitable by the late 1970s, and that ended their fear of the lower classes and that severed their commitment to maximizing welfare for all in the society, i.e. utilitarianism.
You're exactly right. *Liberal* commentators like Olbermann and Maddow never venture into topics like single-payer or corporate re-regulation. In fact, on economics and foreign policy, they do nothing but push the Democratic Party line, which - except for taxes - is virtually indistinguishable from the GOP platform.
"It would help if Greenwald went to the trouble to make distinctions between liberal views on social issues and liberal views on economic and foreign policy issues"
Another BINGO!
I've tried to watch Olberman a couple of times after all the hype. And I still find him very unwatchable. While he might have one entertaining commentary that rips the Bushies in a funny manner, the whole overall show is still very corporate. Ie, I second exactly what this comment says.
To me, I kinda viewed Olberman's commentaries as a hook to get sceptical viewers watching the rest of the show that is very standard corporate news fair.
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The nearly complete right-wing ideological control over the media is surely the clearest signal of the end of democracy as we have known it. The only explanation is that the media owners identify with the corporate imperial creed and so justify the censure of any dissident voices in terms of a "higher good" as defined by this creed. The fundamental issues confronting the country cannot even be discussed in the election; if Obama were to bring up McCain's probable role in the Georgia attack on Sth Ossetia, the media would either censure it out or accuse him of supporting "Russian terrorism" or something like that.
Close, but the key point is that the media owner's ARE the corporations. Its not that they 'identify with the corporate imperial creed', its that they are fully owned pieces of the corporate machine.
Maybe its because my day job is in a corporation, but this is very obvious to me. Any manager at any level in a corporation is directly responsible to their superiors. They are given goals and tasks to accomplish. And any manager who does something that hurts the bottom line of a corporation is going to be called to account for that fast.
Once upon a time in America, we had independent news and journalism. The companies that produces this were much more likely to be locally owned, and thus more responsive to their communities. There was even a 'wall' between the news and business sides of the company to make sure the 'news' wasn't influenced by the people who sold the ads.
All of that is long dead and gone. It doesn't exist any more. What consumers of 'news' need to realize today is that all of these outfits are completely owned by bigger corporations. And in each case the corporation expects the 'news' outlet to contribute to the corporate bottom line. Both directly in terms of its quarterly profit and loss numbers, and also indirectly by supporting other parts of the corporation. And certainly they are expected never to harm another part of the corporations bottom line.
Its not that the media owner identify with the corporate creed. Its that the corporations completely own the media and appoint and control managers to make it fit within the larger corporate plan.
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"the key point is that the media owner's ARE the corporations. Its not that they 'identify with the corporate imperial creed', its that they are fully owned pieces of the corporate machine."
BINGO!
As the street smart slogan goes "money talks...". What this shows is the need for a truly public TV and radio network. That means one whose personnel, facilities, programming, and budget are in no way dependent on either direct commercial spondership (as are most cable and on-air stations) or indirect commercial sponsership through "underwriters" or "foundation grants" (as are PBS and NPR), or even multiple beg-a-thons otherwise known as "pledge drives".
The money for the operation of such a system should be provided by licensing fees paid by commercial broadcasters as well as taxes (or "user fees" if you prefer such Greenspanian newspeak) paid by all citizens. Together "we the people" can more than match any budget that commercial sponsered media can produce. Then when such whiney people as Ed Gillespie, Howie Kurtz, or Al Hunt, do their bitch and moan routine, they can be politely ignored as can their threats or smears.
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FrederickJohnson September 8th, 2008 1:51 pm
I don't even watch MSNBC, CBS, CNN, ABC, Faux, etc ... so none of this bothers me.
Hear, Hear!
And, that is the most powerful tool in our arsenal. Just turn them off.
MSNBC has been struggling for ratings for ages. Everytime they vear to the right, it costs them viewers. They haven't seemed to have figured out that they've already lost that audience to Faux News. So, they go through these swings. They had Donahue on for awhile, and the ratings went up. But then the right-wing types and corporate execs torpedoed that show. Then ratings went down. Lately they've been trying to use Olbermann to get viewers.
So, if more people just turn this off, it sends them the only real message they'll understand. $$$
And, spread the word. The most important thing we can do is to constantly attack the credibility of the corporate media. So much of their system of control in this country depends on it. So, attack it whenever possible. Get more people in this country convinced that what they see on TV is a lie, then that's a win for our side. Because, when they try to use the media to control us, they'll find a bunch of people who either don't watch, or who ridicule what they say.
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Rachel Maddow is not a real progressive, she's a Democratic Party hack. One will never hear her telling us the truth, that Democrats helped Bush hijack the country.
In these times, she is as good as it gets, and needs our support not demands for ideological perfection considering the threat from the Right.
Oh please, who asked for ideological perfection? How about simply exposing the criminal Democrats for what they are, at least? Maddow is as guilty as Ann Coulter as far as media whores as concerned.
If you think Maddow's good as it gets, they you're probably a Dem Party Apologist and Lesser Evilist, the type of people that got us in the mess we're in to begin with.
Road kill is what we find in the middle of the road.
tetti_tatti: Come on, Coulter is so toxic she was even banned from the O'Reilly show. I'm disappointed with the Dems in Congress but I'm not going to blame them for all eight years of Bush...
The party in charge is owned by the corporations which own the media. Most Americans still believe we live in a democracy but our government has turned into the most perfect--and insidious--fascist state than has ever existed in history.
Correct! Save me from extremists or idealogues from either side!
"Extremists" and "idealogs" from BOTH the left right are probably the only thing saving the Constitution and what little remains of our democracy now. The far right paleo-con amconmag.com often has way more withering critiques of neo-cons and the war than the tepid Air America radio. I'd also note that amconmag.com publishes authors often published on hard left web magazines like Counterpunch like Andrew Bachevich, Paul Craig Roberts, Chalmers Johnson. Anti authoritarian decentrlists on the left and right ought to unite against the establishment corporate globalist centrist centralists IMO
Think about this little tidbit a bit before responding:
"Which is why the first Crossfire of 1995 was so remarkable.
For starters, the subject was an unusual one for a Washington show: the future. Not the future of the new Republican-led Congress or of welfare reform or of Bill Clinton's political career, but the future in general. The guests were Jeremy Rifkin, the well-known antitechnology activist, and Ed Cornish, the president of the World Future Society. Rifkin sat on the left, aligned with Michael Kinsley; Cornish on the right, aligned with Pat Buchanan.
Or at least that was how the producers planned it. That was how conventional politics prescribed it. Rifkin, the former antiwar protester and darling of environmentalists, clearly belongs to the left. Cornish, a technophile, becomes a right-winger by default. And hosts Kinsley and Buchanan were, of course, hired for their political positions.
But as soon as the discussion began, the entire format broke down. Buchanan and Rifkin turned out to be soulmates. Rifkin answered Buchanan's opening question with a fearful description of "this new global high-tech economy" as a cruel destroyer of jobs. "You sound like a Pat Buchanan column," replied his interrogator. "I agree."
Both men were deeply pessimistic about the future, upset about changes in the world of work, and desperate to find government policies to restore the good old days. Both spoke resentfully of the "knowledge sector." Neither had anything good to say about new technologies. Neither could imagine how ordinary people could possibly cope with economic changes. "There are many, many Americans who are not equipped to do this kind of work. They're the ones losing their jobs," said Buchanan. Responded Rifkin: "Let me say I find myself in a position of agreeing with Pat once again, which gives me alarm, but I really do agree with you on this one."
It was surely a bad day for the Crossfire bookers. They had managed to call the show's entire premise into question. How could such a thing happen? How could Crossfire become a love-in between Jeremy Rifkin and Pat Buchanan? "
http://www.dynamist.com/tfaie/index-excerptB.html
I'd have to say that there is nothing further right than a neocon. They and their mirror on the left as far as I can see get their funding from the same place, support the same corporate policies and aims. That became quite evident in the tussle on illegal immigration last year.
I take your point on Jeremy Rifkin and Pat Buchanan. Buchanan is certainly no neo-con, in fact I posted a couple of his columns on CD earlier this year because he was far more liberal in his condemnation of Iraq than "liberal" writers and especially his condemnation of Bush.
I do not have a global perspective for one thing, thats a corporate invention for their benefit. Of course the world is globally integrated in trade and manufacturing. But a global social order, lollipop land stories for the less traveled. So as to jobs, if they aren't here for Americans, if trade isn't benefiting our citizens, what point is a thriving economy? I could give a #%@^ if management gets a lot of bucks. Our culture and socal order and the people in it are what count, not corporations.
Perhaps some see what I'm saying sometimes as centrist in the Corporate sense, economically.... a corporate globalist centrist view? I'm talking about social issues when I say centrist. Coprporations are destroying our country with their abuse.
Perhaps terms and words are seperating me sometimes from some here. Perhaps much younger folks understand a term to mean one thing when I see it meaning something else.
IMO the corporate media creation of the "moderate" is a shell game to keep people from digging too deeply into how the economy works and how much damage it does to both the poor and the environment both here and in the third world. IMO complacent "moderates" are far more troubling than well intentioned thoughtful paleo-cons and direct action lefties who get labeled as "extremists."