One Year After the Publication of The Shock Doctrine, A Response to the Attacks
Exactly one year ago, I set off on a book tour to promote The Shock Doctrine. The plan was for it to last three months, quite long by publishing standards. Twelve months later, it is still going. But this has been no ordinary book tour. Everywhere I have traveled- from Calgary, Alberta to Cochabamba, Bolivia - I have heard more stories about how shock strategies have been used to impose unwanted pro-corporate policies. I have also been part of stimulating debates and discussions about how the current round of crises - oil, food, financial markets, heavy weather -- can be transformed into opportunities for progressive change.
And there have been other kinds of responses too. The Shock Doctrine is a direct attack on the intellectuals and institutions that have disseminated corporatist ideology around the world. When I wrote the book, I fully expected to get hit back. Yet for eight months following publication, there was an eerie silence from the "free-market" ideologues. Sure, a few dismissive reviews appeared in the business press. But not a word from the Washington think tanks that I name in the book. Nothing from the University of Chicago economics department. Even The Economist magazine, which used to attack me gleefully and with great regularity, never mentioned the book in print. An American television producer, who was trying to find an opponent to debate me on-air, confided that she had never been turned down so consistently. "They seem to think if they ignore you, you'll go away."
Well, the silence from the right has certainly been broken. In recent months, several articles and reports have come out claiming to debunk my thesis. The most prominent are a "background paper" published by The Cato Institute, extended into a full length book in Swedish (!), and a lengthy essay in The New Republic by senior editor Jonathan Chait.
Several readers have written to this site asking me to respond to these attacks, if only to help them defend the book more effectively. I resisted at first (clinging to my summer vacation...) but I appreciate the feedback and several points do need correcting. Since the reports by Cato and The New Republic - though purporting to come from radically different points on the political spectrum - share some marked similarities, I've decided to tackle them together. Here goes.
Sorry Boys, Milton Friedman Supported The War
Both Jonathan Chait and The Cato Institute claim that the late economist Milton Friedman was a staunch opponent of the invasion of Iraq. The Cato paper states of me that, "She claims that Friedman was a ‘neoconservative' and thus in favor of an aggressive American foreign policy, and she argues that Iraq was invaded so that Chicago-style policies could be implemented there.... but nowhere does she mention Friedman's actual views about the war. Friedman himself said: ‘I was opposed to going into Iraq from the beginning. I think it was a mistake, for the simple reason that I do not believe the United States of America ought to be involved in aggression.' And this was not just one war that he happened to oppose. In 1995, he described his foreign policy position as ‘anti-interventionist.'"
Similarly, Chait accuses me of not knowing the difference between libertarians and neo-cons and chides me for never mentioning -- "not once, not anywhere" -- that Friedman "argued against the Iraq war from the beginning." Apparently Friedman's anti-war stance should be "morbidly embarrassing" to me.
I am not the one who should be embarrassed. Despite his later protestations, Milton Friedman openly supported the war when it was being waged. In April 2003, Friedman told the German magazine Focus that "President Bush only wanted war because anything else would have threatened the freedom and the prosperity of the USA." Asked about increased tensions between the U.S. and Europe, Friedman replied: "the end justifies the means. As soon as we're rid of Saddam, the political differences will also disappear." [Read the whole interview in German and our translation.] Clearly this was not the voice of anti-intervention. Even in July 2006, when Friedman claimed to have opposed the war from the beginning, he remained hawkish. Now that the U.S. was in Iraq, Friedman told The Wall Street Journal, "it seems to me very important that we make a success of it."
All of this has nothing to do with my book, however. In The Shock Doctrine, I describe the invasion and occupation of Iraq as the culmination of Friedman's ideological crusade because he was America's leading intellectual favoring the privatization of the state - not because he personally supported the war, which is irrelevant. For more than five years Iraq has been the vanguard of this radical privatization project. Private contractors now outnumber U.S. soldiers and corporations have taken on such core state functions as prisoner interrogation.
Furthermore, I never said Friedman was a "neo-conservative" and I discuss, at length, how difficult it is to find terms to describe the corporatist project that are acceptable to all readers. On page 17 (all page numbers refer to the Picador paperback) I write:
"In the attempt to relate the history of the ideological crusade that has culminated in the radical privatization of war and disaster, one problem recurs: the ideology is a shape-shifter, forever changing its name and switching identities. Friedman called himself a ‘liberal,' but his U.S. followers, who associated liberals with high taxes and hippies, tended to identify as ‘conservatives,' ‘classical economists,' ‘free marketers' and, later, as believers in ‘Reaganomics' or ‘laissez-faire.' In most of the world, their orthodoxy is known as ‘neo-liberalism,' but it is often called ‘free trade' or simply ‘globalization.' Only since the mid-nineties has the intellectual movement, led by the right-wing think tanks with which Friedman had long associations-Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute and the American Enterprise Institute-called itself ‘neo-conservative,' a world view that has harnessed the full force of the U.S. military machine in the service of a corporate agenda."The significance of the "neo-con" label gaining currency in the mid-nineties is that it was then that the Republicans, under the leadership of Newt Gingrich and backed by the think tanks I mentioned, swept Congress promising a "Contract With America." At this point, the label "neo-conservatives" was not a reference primarily to hawkish foreign policy positions but to harsh economic ones. Back in the mid-nineties, many of the people most associated with the neo-con label today - David Frum and William Kristol and much of the Weekly Standard crowd - were squarely focused on demanding Friedmanite cut-backs and privatizations inside the United States. Frum, for example, first made his name in the U.S. with Dead Right, his 1994 book exhorting the conservative movement to return to its free market economic roots. After Bill Clinton embraced much of this economic agenda, several of the key neo-con warriors narrowed their focus to American dominance on the world stage, a fact that has allowed their keen interests in Friedmanite economic ideas to be largely overlooked.
Ignore the Reporting, Attack the Author
Both Chait's essay and the Cato paper are marked by a stubborn refusal to wrestle with the evidence quoted in my book. For instance, Chait dismisses out of hand my suggestion that there were economic interests behind the 1999 NATO intervention in Kosovo (though he grudingly admits I never claim that economics was the sole motivator). I do write that there were other factors motivating the war besides Slobodan Milosevic's egregious human rights violations. I base this claim on the post-war analysis provided by Strobe Talbott, Deputy Secretary of State under U.S. President Bill Clinton and the lead U.S. negotiator during the Kosovo war. In a 2005 essay (quoted on page 415), Talbott wrote:
"As nations throughout the region sought to reform their economies, mitigate ethnic tensions, and broaden civil society, Belgrade seemed to delight in continually moving in the opposite direction. It is small wonder NATO and Yugoslavia ended up on a collision course. It was Yugoslavia's resistance to the broader trends of political and economic reform-not the plight of the Kosovar Albanians-that best explains NATO's war."Instead of explaining how the words of a top-level U.S. official could so clearly coincide with my argument, Chait chooses to completely ignore the Talbott quote. Again and again, readers of The New Republic are left with the distinct impression that The Shock Doctrine is a work of opinion journalism, rather than a thesis based on research and reporting.
When Chait and The Cato Institute do acknowledge my reliance on facts, they accuse me of manipulating them to fit my thesis. Interestingly, the first time Chait quotes my work, he does just that. To explain to his readers what kind of an extremist he is dealing with, he quotes my first book, No Logo. In it, I allegedly described the world as a "fascist state where we all salute the logo and have little opportunity for criticism because our newspapers, television stations, Internet servers, streets and retail spaces are all controlled by multinational corporate interests." If he had let the quote continue for one more sentence, his readers would have known that I went on to dismiss this worldview as overly caricatured. The next sentences read: "there is good reason for alarm. But a word of caution: we may be able to see a not-so-brave new world on the horizon, but that doesn't mean we are already living in Huxley's nightmare... Instead of an airtight formula, [corporate censorship] is a steady trend... but riddled with exceptions."
This is just the first of countless instances in which Chait twists my words to fit his thesis. When manipulation fails, he simply takes my points and passes them off as his own, without attribution. (I am well aware, for instance, that both Marxists and Keynesians have exploited crisis and disaster, which is why I explore left-wing disaster opportunism on pages 21-25, 65-70, 283, 316-317.)
Grasping at Straws
The Cato paper does, at times, acknowledge that there are facts in my book, but faults me for failing to provide sources for my statistics. This is a bold charge to make against a book with 74 pages of endnotes. The one example mentioned is the statistic "that between 25 and 60 percent of the population is discarded or becomes a permanent underclass in countries that liberalize their economies." I did not provide a source for this stat because it is an amalgamation of stats I had already cited and for which I had already provided multiple sources. This is standard practice: once a statistic has been sourced, it can repeated (for the sake of brevity) without repeating the source. So here are those stats on which the 25-60 per cent amalgamation is based, with their sources, straight out of The Shock Doctrine endnotes:
- Unemployment in Bolivia was between 25% and 30% in 1987 (page 186. Source: Mike Reid, "Sitting Out the Bolivian Miracle," Guardian (London), May 9, 1987.)
- 25% of Russians lived in desperate poverty in 1996 (page 300. Source: Russian Economic Trends 5, no. 1 (1996): 56-57 cited in Bertram Silverman and Murray Yanowitch, New Rich, New Poor, New Russia: Winners and Losers on the Russian Road to Capitalism (Armonk, NY: M.E. Sharpe, 2000), 47.)
- Unemployment for black South Africans more than doubled from 23% in 1991 to 48% in 2002 (page 272. Sources: "South Africa: The Statistics," Le Monde Diplomatique, September 2006; Michael Wines and Sharon LaFraniere, "Decade of Democracy Fills Gaps in South Africa," New York Times, April 26, 2004.)
- Unemployment in Poland was at 25% in some areas in 1993 (page 241. Source: Mark Kramer, "Polish Workers and the Post-Communist Transition, 1989-93," Europe-Asia Studies, June 1995)
- 40% of young workers were unemployed in Poland in 2005 (page 241. Source: Andrew Curry, "The Case Against Poland's New President," New Republic, November 17, 2005)
- 59% of Poles had fallen below the poverty line in 2003 (pages 241-242. Source: Przemyslaw Wielgosz, "25 Years of Solidarity," August 2005.)
"The only thing that protected Chile from complete economic collapse in the early eighties was that Pinochet had never privatized Codelco, the state copper mine company nationalized by Allende. That one company generated 85 percent of Chile's export revenues, which meant that when the financial bubble burst, the state still had a steady source of funds.... By 1988, when the economy had stabilized and was growing rapidly, 45 percent of the population had fallen below the poverty line. The richest 10 percent of Chileans, however, had seen their incomes increase by 83 percent. Even in 2007, Chile remained one of the most unequal societies in the world-out of 123 countries in which the United Nations tracks inequality, Chile ranked 116th, making it the eighth most unequal country on the list."A Massacre of Straw Men
Most of the attacks on The Shock Doctrine involve manufacturing claims, falsely attributing them to me, then handily tearing them down. For example, Jonathan Chait telescopes my point about Donald Rumsfeld's holdings in the Disaster Capitalism Complex like this: "Donald Rumsfeld maintained his stock in Gilead Sciences, which holds the patent for Tamiflu, even while serving as defense secretary. Get it? Rumsfeld would stand to profit from a flu pandemic. But surely you don't have to be an admirer of Rumsfeld to doubt that he would engineer an outbreak of a deadly virus in order to fatten his stock portfolio."
Actually, that is the plot of the movie V for Vendetta; it has absolutely nothing do with my book. What I do write about is how the Pentagon, under Rumsfeld's leadership, stockpiled Tamiflu and Rumsfeld stood to profit as the value of the stock increased by 807 per cent. On pages 394-395 I write:
"For the six years that he held office, Rumsfeld had to leave the room whenever talk turned to the possibility of avian flu treatment and the purchase of drugs for it. According to the letter outlining the arrangement that allowed him to hold on to his stocks, he had to stay out of decisions that ‘may directly and predictably affect Gilead.' His colleagues, however, took good care of his interests. In July 2005, the Pentagon purchased $58 million worth of Tamiflu, and the Department of Health and Human Services announced that it would order up to $1 billion worth of the drug a few months later."There are many more straw men propped up in The Cato Institute paper. Most involve vastly inflating the role I attribute to Milton Friedman. And no little wonder. Other than the University of Chicago economics department, Cato is the institution most intimately aligned and associated with Milton Friedman's radical theories. Among other tributes, every two years, Cato hands out the Milton Friedman Prize for Advancing Liberty, worth half a million dollars. (This year it went to a 23-year-old Venezuelan student activist to further his opposition to the government of Hugo Chavez). Since Friedman continues to serve as Cato's patron saint, it has much to lose from a diminishing of Friedman's reputation, as well as a direct interest in exonerating him of all crimes, real or imagined.
Here are a few more examples. The Cato paper claims that I put the entire blame for Pinochet's economic policies on the shoulders of Milton Friedman - then "proves" that his direct involvement was minimal. Once again, I make no such claim. I do devote considerable space - roughly 60 pages -- to describing the impact of a U.S. State Department program that brought more than one hundred Chilean students to the University of Chicago as part of a deliberate effort to export free-market economic ideas to Chile. This is the program that gave birth to the infamous "Chicago Boys" of Chile, several of whom were actively involved in planning the Chilean dictatorship's economic program before the 1973 coup even took place. Amazingly, the Cato paper makes absolutely no mention of this academic program in its effort to exonerate Friedman personally. The writer either missed 60 pages of my book, or deliberately chose to ignore them.
The greatest challenge in responding to the Cato paper is the scope if its dishonesty. Consider this one passage:
"Klein also blames Friedman and Chicago economics for the actions of the International Monetary Fund during the Asian financial crisis and the Sri Lankan government's confiscation of the land of fishing families to build luxury hotels after the tsunami. Yet the fact is that Friedman thought that the IMF shouldn't be involved in Asia, and he held that governments should be forbidden from expropriating property to give it to private developers. Of course, Klein could argue that Friedman was in some sense a source of inspiration for those policies, even though he was opposed to them. But she doesn't do that. She pretends that he agreed with them, and that that is what he and other Chicago economists wanted all along."Absolutely everything in this passage is wrong. I never say Friedman favored the IMF bailout in Asia, quite the opposite. On pages 335-336, I report that, "Milton Friedman himself, now in his mid-eighties, made a rare appearance on CNN to tell the news anchor Lou Dobbs that he opposed any kind of bailout and that the market should be left to correct itself." In what way could this constitute "pretending" that Friedman supported the bailout?
I also freely acknowledge the fact that Friedman opposed the IMF on principle. However, as with Pinochet's government in the seventies, I also document that the IMF, at the time of the bailout, was packed with ideological Chicago Boys - a very different point than claiming the IMF was taking orders from Friedman. On page 202, I directly address this apparent contradiction:
"Philosophically, Milton Friedman did not believe in the IMF or the World Bank: they were classic examples of big government interfering with the delicate signals of the free market. So it was ironic that there was a virtual conveyor belt delivering Chicago Boys to the two institutions' hulking headquarters on Nineteenth Street in Washington, D.C., where they took up many of the top positions."The Shock Doctrine has room for this kind of complexity because it is not - despite what Cato claims - a book about the actions of one man. It is about a multifaceted ideological trend that has successfully served the most powerful corporate interests in society for half a century.
Furthermore, I never wrote, as Cato claims in that same passage, that Friedman had anything to do with "the Sri Lankan government's confiscation of the land of fishing families to build luxury hotels after the tsunami." His name does not appear once in my 25-page chapter on the tsunami. Once again, to write that I "pretend" that Friedman is advocating these policies is pure fabrication. Furthermore, all of these inventions and misrepresentations appear in a single paragraph. The Cato background paper is 20 pages long and is comprised of dozens and dozens of equally dishonest paragraphs. Subjecting them all to this kind of rebuttal is simply too time consuming; my full rebuttal is the book itself.
Go to the Source
Thanks to a fantastic team of researchers, especially my incredible research assistant Debra Levy, The Shock Doctrine has withstood a year's worth of intense media scrutiny in dozens of countries. It is not unscathed, but it has emerged in better shape than I dared hope. When errors are discovered, we immediately correct them in future editions and post a correction and an explanation on the book's website. So far there has been only one significant error discovered, related to the profits earned from Dick Cheney's Halliburton stocks. It was immediately corrected. Readers of The Shock Doctrine know that this is but one of many examples that make the same point about conflicts of interest in the Bush Administration; indeed I devote an entire chapter to the topic. And this is the benefit of a methodology that is grounded not in anecdotes but in thousands of sourced facts and figures: the thesis does not rise or fall on any single example.
As to my critics' charge that I am selective in my use of quotations, that's a danger for any writer. It is also why Debra and I launched the "resources" section of the book's website. On this page, readers can access dozens of original reports, letters and studies that make up some of the key source material for the book. If you are concerned that I am exaggerating Friedman's support for the brutal regime of Augusto Pinochet, read a letter Friedman wrote to Pinochet. If you are suspicious that I am making disaster capitalism seem more conspiratorial than it is, read the minutes from a meeting that took place at the Heritage Foundation just two weeks after the levees broke in New Orleans. It lays out 32 "free market solutions" for Hurricane Katrina and high gas prices, many of which have been championed by the Bush Administration.
The thesis of The Shock Doctrine was not born of whimsy but of four years of research. Debra and I put these documents online because we want educators, students and general readers to move beyond an admittedly subjective version of history - as all histories are -- and go straight to the source. We invite you to explore these documents, send us ones we missed, and come to your own conclusions.
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70 Comments so far
Show AllI bought the book Shock Doctrine a few days ago. Just started reading it. I like this article and what Naomi said on the Real News: http://www.therealnews.com .
I keep wondering why we as citizens of the US do not realize what the cure to this problem is. To me the issue is that corporate interests are running our country.
Simpler is how this happens. Company A sends their representative to Senator A and says, "I can make you a rich man. I have connections off shore and can open you a bank account that is not traceable in the US by the IRS or other agency. We will just put money in it, as long as you do what we want."
As the people find out that their Senators no longer represents them, what can they do? Nothing. They can wait four more years to get rid of them.
We need to pass laws at our City, County, and State levels that make it unlawful for any elected person to not represent their constituents (treason). This law would allow constituents to vote locally on the same issues their elected official votes on. If the duly elected Senator failed to represent their constituents, they would be removed from office by a vote of no confidence by the constituents.
End of corporate whores, end of wars of aggression, end of rendition, end of torture, end of loss of liberties, end of all this madness!
Conservatives/Liberals the terms are outmoded. Governors are less interested in the governed than they are about Re-election. Would *"Native Criminal Class", be a better Descriptor? *Gore Vidal
I will definitely bump this book up to my "Next" list.
I'm reading Elizabeth Drew's The Corruption Of American Politics again for the 3rd time in trying to study for my Nov. 4 Election exam.
hman
Naomi Klein is brilliant - the book was wonderful, intelligent and well-researched. I know the "supply siders" are having fits that she cast doubt on the "Mighty Friedman." Keep up the good work!
"Everyone wishes to have truth on his side, but not everyone wishes to be one the side of truth." - Richard Whately
Klein has insight of extraordinary genuis and compassion.
Nice to see you blow the twits out of the water once again.
Hit the bastards hard, Naomi. Eat 'em up, and well done.
Their criticisms are minor compared to the overall thesis you present. Well done!!
Sarah and Adam Smith’s Valley
Yea though I walk through the valleys of greed
Yea though I walk through the permafrost of need
Yea though I walk through oceans of inequity
I will fear all evil
And I will savor my fear
For fear is what feeds us
It’s the shadow that needs us.
My land of ice is anointed with oil
My enemies color up the soil.
Yea it’s hard work:
It’s hard work…….., Coloring up the soil
It’s hard work, plodding through this valley,
While, I wear the ‘red’ on my flag,
While, I wear the ‘thou’ on my flag.
I tired of empty hope words.
For I know my dollar is my virtue that comforts me.
The biggest stick and a loyal staff, are my rod.
For don’t selfishness breed equality?
and don’t the market do it best?
There will be a trickle down somewhere.
For I write the POW history of this valley.
The table is before me
Surrounded by those I smote.
And I will dwell in the shining house
so help me Palin
for four more years.
Que Sarah Sarah ...
it’s hard work in this valley of ‘thou’
Yea it’s hard work in this valley of ‘thou’
Yea though I walk through oceans of inequity,
I will fear all evil,
And I will savor my fear
For fear is what feeds us.
and ‘life is messy’
so fess up
ain’t regulations what deprive us?
and hope what destroys us?
Unless his family does go to Paraguay, I think Bush might need extra body guards into the remainder of his life.
Excellent points: Dog Leg (4:40), Jclientele (8:26), Nate W & Cygnus.
Do we have to pay for theM? If so, they should make them reg. ole' Natl Guard--the ones he vetoed the GI Bill for!
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Naomi is still running around like "Chicken Little", yelling "the world is in crisis....nobody is buying my book".
Truly sad........pass the box of tissues !!!!!!!!!!
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You should check the unusually high ratings given to 'The Shock Doctrine' on amazon. It is well read, well received and highly recommended by a large majority of reviewers.
Now go spend your time with mccain and palin, they really, really need you!
racom40
JA, you should at least get your facts right. The book in both its' hardback and paperback editions spent some time on the best seller lists. It's been reprinted in a number of foreign languages.
Though I do not find the book definitive by any means, Klein has some important points to make. The most fundamental point she makes, in my perspective, is that at the very least Friedmanism had some marked negative impacts that have been effectively ignored by its' proponents and there have been no real efforts to try to reckon with or improve these impacts.
We've (through the IMF and the World Bank) imposed very toxic monetary policy on countries and have been essentially blind to how this rolls out in the lives of real people.
At least take the time to read the book.
The above is an example of capitalist spam--the last desperate death groans of an obsolete dinosaur unable to face its own extinction.
Poet
Gawd, I hope ou are right!
Amen, Poet
Joe
Naomi is so correct, that the shock doctrine is not so much a conspiracy as a confluence of interests, ideology, opportunity, and power. I saw the same thing played out in Ecuador, where the 1993 Josefina landslide was quickly used to try to permanently remove many of the Indigenous of the Paute Valley. This is recounted fictionally in my novel, The Mother Earth Inn (Broken Turtle Books) by Phillip Bannowsky.
Awesome, Naomi.
Thank you Naomi. If effective change ever does manage to manifest, it will be due in part to efforts like yours to educate and expose.
For those of you who still don't get it--the problem with most critiques of Naomi Klein's work is that they misunderstand the problem. They speak and act as if the problem is the need to reform capitalism. A kinder and gentler "compassionate capitalism" is their goal. Naomi Klein, without saying it in as blunt a language as I will, shows that the problems are both capitalism and corporateism themselves.
As they exist today, both capitalism and corporatism have become an oligarchical tyranny impossible to reform because of the rotteness of their basic premises and strategies. Taken in tandem with her first best seller, No Logo, Shock Doctrine has the power to transform the entire paradigm of our basic assumptions on the economy. There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come.
Poet
Poet:
I am in agreement.
I have read both "No Logo' and 'Shock Doctrine.' I bought the hardbound for longevity. I read it because I had been a state employee and recognizing similar patterns she would write here at CD.
Ms. Klein was able to take what I was merely thinking into a cohesive, well-articulated, documented thesis that describes reality. I do not believe there is any other book, that exposes the pattern of strategy I have found in my research into just one avenue, education, that this methodology has usurped and attempted to destroy through hundreds of organizations that are inclusive of members that represent the political minority of education, yet whose voice is amplified by status of Board members and the size of endowments.
It is the same with so-called Chambers of Commerce, Association of American________, fill in the blank.
I'm sorry this feels a little vague, but I have to take my wife to the doctor...Read the book.
Just because it is being recognized with little con/pro public criticism, is precisely the reason. For to respond will require the further opening of the neocon 'pandora's box' of lies, strategies, involvements, to dismantle a democratic society that shattered the Bush empire dreams during WWII and his cohorts from about 1927 forward.
Yes, that's right. The Bush family had been found seditious and treasonous and their assets impounded by the U.S.Government for supporting the Nazis during that war.
How there could be any belief that this heritage is dedicated to a democratic republic is beyond mere 'preponderance of evidence,' let alone 'beyond a reasonable doubt.' The last eight years of lies, 'national security,' the reduction of the 'Constitution', with the support of both a Republican led and a barely, Democrat led Congress, will be historically written as the failure of a democratic, Constitutional Republic to be resolute, to adhere to, and to admonish lesser adherents to, the vow any governmental employee must swear and affirm to, no matter a local officer to the President.
Naomi Klien delivers the antecedents, causative evidence, conceptual, singular, academic premise and origination of the believers and generals of the economic putrification that has nullified the political process to date of this hapless country.
If you want to get some interesting insight into the activities of the US Chamber of Commerce, read Thomas Frank's latest book called: "The Wrecking Crew: How Conservatives Rule",and Alex Carey's "Taking The Risk Out Of Democracy: Corporate Propaganda vs. Freedom And Liberty". These guys and gals are the enemies of freedom--their bottom line is their profit margin and that's it--period.
Poet
This may be the only forum I have to thank Naomi Klein for Shock & Awe...of all the Intellectuals, Historians, Academics, and Pundits in the whole damn world, she was the one to first explain the dynamics of sheer Capitalism; how it works at present, despite disclaimers.
Regarding some of these comments, how can any sane human being claim to speak for "god"?
It's astounding in its implications, and even more so in a discussion of political policies.
Bring God into it and we don't have to look into the mirror.Free will and the me factor are the culprits and yet without freewill what would we be? Tony
People grapple all the time with the idea of how God fits in with the evil in the world. I started when I was about seven and found a book that showed pictures of the piles of bodies of the children murdered in the Holocaust. I couldn't even listen to my "Jesus Loves Me" record after that. "little ones to him belong - they are weak and he is strong". Could not understand how God could let this happen to children.
Trying to see how all the pieces fit is part of living an examined life.
Joe
Its a good question.
jclientelle makes the essential point about Klein's analysis: ideological movements are like military campaigns insofar as the policy battles fought take place in the context of a grand strategy for winning the war. To the naive, which includes most progressives, the idea that the Bush cabal DELIBERATELY executed a strategy of "losing" the war in Iraq in order to achieve the hidden objective of destroying Iraqi society seems like a conspiracy theory. They have little conception how sophisticated are the ways and means of avoiding accountability.
It's just too far out a conception for narrow liberal minds to grasp and seems to violate standards of simple decency progressives assume the neocons have, simply because they are Americans. They don't know Dick Cheney and prefer not to investigate the crawl space where all the bodies decay quietly in the dark unbeknownst to the NYT.
Dirty tricks and dirty deeds, such as manipulating the electoral apparatus, are just good old fun for neocon black operators. No conspiracies, you say? Can you say "Jack Abramoff"?
perceptionexperiment has a clever moniker that well describes the level of sophistication of the neocon political machine. And clearly, this clever fellow has not examined the evidence for the greatest necon black op, the WTC event. Like Naomi Klein, he's just going with the flow. Denying the reality of evil does not make the world a better place; but it does serve to cast a rosy glow on oneself.
www.renovationpress.com. WYSIWYG
Fellow named Naomi? Who are you talking about?
Some books create a whole new lens for viewing events in the world. I believe that Shock Doctrine is one. It helped to clarify situations that at first resembled only chaotic calamities. It helped explain government policies that looked like inexplicable neglect of the infrastructure and inattention to human suffering. It helped to explain why policies like the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were pursued despite overwhelming evidence that they served none of the stated purposes and that they would cause catastrophes for our troops, the people in those countries, for our economy and moral stance in the world.
When you realize that some of this is DELIBERATE and intended to cause breakdowns that give openings for privatization and for annulment of long standing democratic rights and institutions, then your bafflement is cured and determination to resist can set in.
When there is any opposition to the prevailing propaganda, the first reaction is to suppress news of it and ignore it. If the opposition catches hold, the second reaction is to attack it. Vincent Bugliosi's latest well-researched and written book, which Darrowlike lays down a compelling case for indicting George Bush for murder, and presents the legal avenues for doing so, is still getting mostly the silent treatment in the book reviews. Nonetheless it is selling well so we can expect a slew of attacks very soon.
This is the strategy to contain criticism whether books or actions
- Ignore, Suppress, Discredit.
Joe
I feel the same way about the book. It does NOT mean that they "meant to lose" in the end! It means that they created "a shock and awe" (which, I alwasy thought was disgusting), destroyed all meaningful connections peopl ehad to one another, destroyed all signs of civilization, left people desparate rto survive, and then--they build the Greene Zone on alve labor , full of McDonald's, disco bars, Pizza Hut, etc.I actually heard a soldier say, "Freedom means she should be able to go to McDonalds without getting blown up". How ironically naive !! They allowed New Orleans to "go down" just as it did, because 1) they do not care about most poor people 2) they wanted, like Mississippi, to build a bunch of "
gated communities", tear down the old quarters, and "make it al shiny and new "
for capitalism and tourism. It makes more sense when I read Klein, than when I sat in front of the tv crying, calling every congressperson that would answer, screaming to do something!@ They werent incompetent--they never inteneded to help! They WANT the "govt ot not work", because their greatest enemy in life is paying taxes. All they care abou tis money and mantinaing the staus quo and I hate their fricking guts foreever for it, more than I knew I could ever hate anyone!@
Speaking of "Shock", I'm feeling kind of shocked right now. 25 years ago, I was all into gung-ho capitalism. I really thought it was the best thing EVER. Now I look at Friedman's book, "Free to Choose" and all those Cato publications in my bookcase and wonder, "what was I thinking--and how many other people are still brainwashed?"
Welcome!
Joe
Try some Ayn Rand! If that wierd bitch doesnt turn you off to capitalism, the neo-cons alrady have you--RUN!!
OMG! There's a couple of Rand's books on that same shelf, too. Well, all I can say in my defense is that nobody can accuse me of doubting something that I don't know anything about. Especially after having read "Atlas Shrugged" and "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal". It all seemed so right back then--I was riding the high-tech wave and getting big pay raises; I had no health problems (and because I didn't have dependents to insure, the deductions from my paycheck were like five bucks per month!). I had money for real vacations, expensive 35mm camera and lenses, cool stereo equipment, etc. Little did I know that it was a temporary reprieve and that the bottom was going to drop out fast and hard. I should have invested all that money in gold bars and kept them under the floor-boards.
One problem I had with Klein's book was her targeted discourse. She was writing for these guys, anticipating their responses and in that way limiting her field of view to something visible to them, too. She's clearly disappointed that she didn't kick up more of a shit storm than she did and that the response has been so tepid.
What I found so disappointing was the pain she took to avoid the conspiracy label. She has never looked at the evidence for the demolition of the WTC and yet dismisses on the basis of no evidence the argument that the single greatest shock administered to the public mind since Pearl Harbor was an act of false flag terror, not to imply that Pearl Harbor was also false flag terror. She's afraid she'll get pigeon-holed so she joins in the charade.
Her intellectual honesty has limits that are defined by her ideological enemies.
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sierra7
One writer cannot be held responsible for all things considered to be in any one individual's category of "things not pursued."
One good book to start all this out would be:
"Necessary Illusions" by Noam Chomsky published many years ago and is still a seminal read for anyone trying to understand how our world is "manipulated" and how populations are "put to sleep" in order for those with the power get on with their work.
Or maybe she did examine the evidence of a controlled demolition of the WTC and decided, rightfully so, that it was conspiracy nonsense that would have invalidated her other claims based on actual facts.
Just a guess.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
Yes - I have been accused of being in denial for not believing that George Bush planned and executed 911. I think his administration is morally capable of such an act, but I have read and looked and don't see good evidence of charges being planted, but I see mostly rumor and pseudo-physics.
I live nearby and saw the Trade Center being built (with much mob input and possible shoddy materials), and saw and smelled the 911 situation. It is completely plausible to me that the planes caused the fires and set off a chain of events leading to collapse.
Furthermore, there is a lot of good evidence of OTHER criminal acts and that have not been followed up. Let us choose the cases for which there is already incontravertible evidence of wrongdoing and focus on getting some justice there. If we cannot even get justice for the lies leading to the murders resulting from Iraq war, among hundreds of other things, then the WTC stuff seems to me a cultish I-am-more-radical-than-thou distraction.
Joe
Joe - At least three things bother me about the official explanation of 9/11:
1) No steel-frame building had ever collapsed due to fire, and on 9/11 we have three, including one not even hit by an airplane. How come?
2) How did the ends of the main vertical WTC beams get broken off at a clean ~50 degree angle, perfect for demolition work but impossible in an uncontrolled collapse?
3) Why were no ADC fighters on the scene as soon as those aircraft turned their transponders off?
As for criminal acts, how about starting with Bush's diversion of millions of dollars allocated by Congress for the Afghanistan invasion to the run-up to the invasion of Iraq? Simple, illegal, provable, impeachable.
Conservatives/Liberals the terms are outmoded. Governors are less interested in the governed than they are about Re-election. Would *"Native Criminal Class", be a better Descriptor? *Gore Vidal
Reply intended to be placed underneath the comment by wcdevins September 3rd, 2008 8:30 pm
The ADC (?) fighters were involved in a "False Flag" exercise being conducted coincidentally on the same day as the attacks.
The evidence of a "false flag" conspiracy is stunning considering the date but besides the unlucky coincidence of the calender date selected in March of 2001 and then rescheduled in June of 2001, the exercise is considered normal to some extent.
It is the degree to which every member of the U.S. based defense network was involved in being assigned to a training exercise on that exact date that is still the biggest bar to an understanding of the explanation. Please seek out the evidence and read the report yourself.
The TinyUrl for one of the many websites that have cataloged some of the information is here...http://preview.tinyurl.com/mjgwj
after you look at the information I want you to remember the part about the executive admin's reluctance to let a civillian panel look at the facts and the criticism of the 911 commision's final release of the committee's evidence into what the committee could uncover in a short period of time.
hman
There are some inexplicable details and technical things that bother me too, like, if true, finding a perfectly intact passport alleged to belong to a hijacker, where everything else on the plane evaporated upon contact. However,I do not see how we can get answers right now, since the truth is probably obfuscated and buried beyond our reach.
I agree with your last paragraph completely. The groundwork is laid, the facts are available and all that is left is the political power and will to follow through. Being realistic, I would be very pleased if we could push and get that done.
Also, prosecute Karl Rove for about one thousand things.
Joe
How Rove can run as a TV commentator while in contempt of Congress is beyond me. Why can't we do anything about this? Criminals run free in Bush World.
I watched you on Democracy Now! during the Olympics in China, and you made a statement about China being able to purchase security cameras that would be used later on to monitor the Chinese people.
That seemed an odd statement because the cameras are probably all made in China anyway. Surely they are not made in the U.S.A. are they?
I don't think Naomi was talking about the manufacturing of the cameras, rather that much of the software and the technology behind the surveillance equipment that's used in China is actually developed in the United States and then exported to China. The concern is that Chinese authorities are using this technology on a massive scale to monitor people's movements and detain activists.
You may want to check out Naomi's Rolling Stone article about China's surveillance industry: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/20797485/chinas_allseeing_eye
Naomi,
I realize that you don't know me, and you will probably never meet me, and you probably have to fend off many, many unwanted advances, and also please forgive me for being somewhat abrupt, but...
I LOVE YOU NAOMI KLEIN!!!
:)
Whilst in no way wishing to enter into a discussion about a book I have not yet had the opportunity to read, the author makes a comment in this article about 'Brave New World': "... we may be able to see a not-so-brave new world on the horizon, but that doesn't mean we are already living in Huxley's nightmare..."
Whether or not that particular new world was a nightmare is a matter of taste and I am sure to some, whatever their political persuasion, it would be a dream. Huxley's imagined world, which we are nowhere near anyway, was actually quite benign. Orwell's world, 1984, was quite another matter and to my mind we are living that particular nightmare.
But I will now try a bit harder to read her book.
I think we're getting pretty close to Francisco Franco's Spain, to be honest, with less political oppression overall, but Franco's Spain had given up on overseas imperialism, as its colonies had already been lost (due in part to the USA!). When laws are passed in various states making English the official language, and against the law to speak a "foreign" language, think about Franco outlawing the speaking of
Euskadi (Basque), Catalan (language of Catalonia), and Gallego (Portuguese dialect of Galicia). Political prisoners were aplenty in Franco's Spain, and we have them here now, like the recently released Dan Siegelman, the former governor of Alabama, or this college professor with a Palestinian background who is now under house arrest, held for some five years for no reason. Books are fiction, but we are living a reality of creeping Fascism, due to the Bushista criminals who've taken over the White House, and their Repugnantcan Fascist goons.
When laws are passed in various states making English the official language, and against the law to speak a "foreign" language,
Making English the official language simply means all official business will be conducted in English and racist policies of printing goverment documents in one language but not others will cease.
Anyone may speak any language they please though to speak another language as a general rule in the workplace is in my opinion rude.
The neo-cons LOVE Franco!
Bravo, Naomi Klein!
Arguing with fools, even with malignant ones, is the most thankless job but you have done it excellently. Especially I like your quote of Talbott, “"As nations throughout the region sought to reform their economies, mitigate ethnic tensions, and broaden civil society, Belgrade seemed to delight in continually moving in the opposite direction. It is small wonder NATO and Yugoslavia ended up on a collision course. It was Yugoslavia's resistance to the broader trends of political and economic reform-not the plight of the Kosovar Albanians-that best explains NATO's war." This way you put to lie all Democrat pretensions that they are different from Republicans in substance.
The small issue I have with you, is subtitle of your book “The Rise of Disaster Capitalism”. When one reads Manifesto of Communist Party, one cannot escape the conclusion that in 1848 Capitalism was as disastrous as in 1998, when Talbot’s boss bombed Yugoslavia; or in 2008, when Bill Clinton’s “opponents” are bombing and preparing to bomb in perpetuity whatever and wherever they get away with.
I also think that it is high time to raise old titans from the shadows. Let’s be not afraid to call things by their proper names, albeit with appropriate prefixes. Neo-Marxism is in order of the day, and Neo-Leninism will follow. Needless to say those so-called neo-conservatives, as they themselves unintentionally admitted numbers of times, are but Leninists by methodology.
Thank you again, Naomi Klein
Grappa
Don't put evil at the doorstep of God, evil is man made, and God is a loving God.
God never recommended economic inequality, thats man sole invention.
God, too, is man made.
"God, too, is man made." And he needs evil, also created by man, to create him. Organized religion is the root of all evil.
I need to read this book! But, I must say, the way she tackles her critics is great. Humorous simply by pointing out where they went wrong. After reading this, I am bumping up this book to next on my reading list... as soon as I finish "On the Road."
Yeah, yeah, so I haven't read "On the Road" yet. But hey, at least I am now!
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
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Ms. Klein is a silly woman who is making a noise because her writing is 3rd rate....and has no value. Give her a box of tissues.
OMG, the trolls are beginning to come out to feed...
"Society is in every state a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." --- Thomas Paine, Common Sense
Regardless of your opinion of her writing, which you are most certainly entitled to, the sexism inherent in your remarks immediately invalidates any point you are trying to make.
I suggest, for the sake of your own arguments, that you distance yourself from using "silly woman" when addressing a female author's work in the future.
Unless, that is, you are trying to sound like a chauvinistic pig. In that case, go right ahead making yourself look like an idiot. You're doing quite a good job at it.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
A true measure of effectiveness of any work is the amount of venom directed at by its' enemies. Judging by the usual right wing suspects going after Klein's book, she hit more than just a nerve. By exposing corporate plunder prettied up as academic libertarian free market double speak, she has alerted the progressive community to an angle of the theft that would otherwise gone unnoticed. Thieves always hate it when they are caught red handed, so their mouthpieces / dogs (the Cato Institute & the New Republic) attack to earn their pay.
The question is, what can we do about it?
We've been totally co-oped (Gandhized).
Free Presss has denounced it, and obviously, Democracy now. Any lawyers out there? Someone need to sue the hell out of the basterds!
Free Presss has denounced it, and obviously, Democracy now. Any lawyers out there? Someone need to sue the hell out of the basterds!Sorry--reading too long, I guess .LOL I loved Shock Doctrine--but I thought I was posting to hte one about Amy Goodaman. Its hot and I've been on here al day. You'll be glasd top know I'm gettin off. Sorry.
At a time in our nation's history---even especially as it has been outlined by Howard Zinn and many others---wherein there is a need to read to understand what is being enacted on the world stage in our name, in the name of democracy, in the name of capitalism, there is but one book to read. Our thanks to you, Naomi Klein (and to Debra Levy).
The truth must out.
Naomi Klein is a hero for all free nations! Her book is excellent, and you can gdt it in papaerback.
Thank you Naomi for your EXCELLENT book.
The fact that Cato is launching this furious attack only shows that you've struck the truth.
There's nothing that criminals, liars and thieves fear more than the truth.
You never win any fight by going on the defensive. Never.
Don't take their bait.
Don't use your limited time and resources responding to their bogus allegations.
Keep shouting the truth as loudly as you can.
Keep making Cato play defense.
This is how you win.
That which they tried to kill with silence fails; then they mock you, yet fail again.
Very good work N.K. thanks for this CD editors.
Naomi,
I have to say that, after reading your rebuttal of the stupid, neo-fascist Cato Institute and the New Republic, I love you and your work even more. Your book is a blessing and will be required reading for my kids.
The facts are that, even if you didn't quote source after legitimate source in your book, the thesis alone stands up against even a small, cursory look at our history. From the sinking of the Maine to possibly 9/11, our government has shown no hesitancy in using horrifying circumstances to manipulate us, as well as the 'Murrikan colonies, into massive 'free-market' changes that solely benefit the wealthy few. This book should have been written years ago. I'm glad you did it now.
"Society is in every state a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." --- Thomas Paine, Common Sense
I think it's obvious to all with the most rudimentary knowledge of history, that this is so. Beyond just our government, the rulers of every empire seem to have known this.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
. . . and a lengthy essay in The New Republic by senior editor Jonathan Chait.
The New Republic should change its name to The New Republican. George Wanker Bush will need a job, or at least something "dignified" to do, after he shuffles out of WARshington, D.C. (Death and Corruption). Between bouts on the Puto Circuit where he will charge $500,000 to give a speech to an audience of select morons in which he sounds like Boris Karloff in "Bride of Frankenstein", ("War . . . good . . . Death . . . good . . . Democrats . . . bad") he can be the Honorary Political Editor of The New Republican. He might take the job for free and the magazine's Shmendrick-In-Chief, Marty Parrots, can afford that.
Bwa ha ha ha!
George work as an editor or a writer? LOL Clean coffee from keyboard...
That's one of the funniest ideas I've seen on CD from a contributer. bush won't be commanding such a high figure for speaches after -if- he leaves office, there wouldn't be a market for him, to be sure he will try to give them but there's not a chance on earth that he'd get that much. Indeed, due to his unpopularity I'd say the Secret Service wouldn't let him give speaches due to the risk of someone offing the SOB.
I'm very late in this game here, but Bush will gets lotsa loot for his speeches. He might be down to 24% but as he said to that bunch of super rich people, caught by Michael Moore--they're his base. One percent of the US population is 3 million people. He made the richest 1% a fortune and gathering several hundred those for speeches every so often will be the order of the day. You bet he's going to rake it in.