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Obama Requests Guantánamo Bay Tribunals Suspension
Military judges to consider motion filed 'in the interests of justice' within hours of new US president taking office
The US president, Barack Obama, has ordered a suspension of the controversial Guantánamo Bay military tribunals in one of his first actions after being sworn in, yesterday.
An image of President Barack Obama is put up in the lobby of the headquarters of the US naval station at Guantánamo Bay. (Photograph: Brennan Linsley/AP) Within
hours of taking office, Obama's administration filed a motion to halt
the war crimes trials for 120 days, until his new administration
completes a review of the much-criticised system for trying suspected
terrorists.
The motion, which will suspend cases against 21 men, was filed at the direction of Obama and Robert Gates, George Bush's defence secretary, who has kept his job in the new administration.
It will be considered today by military judges hearing the cases of five men charged with plotting the September 11 attacks, and that of Omar Khadr, a Canadian who is accused of killing an American soldier with a grenade in Afghanistan, in 2002. The judges will be required to suspend the other cases as well.
The halt to the tribunals was sought "in the interests of justice," the official request to the judges said.
Moazzam Begg, the former British detainee at Guantánamo Bay, urged Obama to go further. "There is no clear statement about this being stopped and the whole process being recognised as illegal," he said.
"For myself and other former detainees, until we see something tangible happening, we are going to reserve judgment. That is because we have been here before - Bush has stated he wanted Guantánamo closed."
Human rights groups who are at Guantánamo Bay to observe this week's session of the tribunals welcomed the move.
"It's a great first step but it is only a first step," said Gabor Rona, the international director of Human Rights First. "It will permit the newly inaugurated president and his administration to undertake a thorough review of both the pending cases and the military commissions process generally.
"The suspension of military commissions so soon after President Obama took office is an indication of the sense of urgency he feels about reversing the destructive course that the previous administration was taking in fighting terrorism."
Jamil Dakwar, director of the human rights programme at the American Civil Liberties Union, said it was a positive step but noted "the president's order leaves open the option of this discredited system remaining in existence".
Clive Stafford Smith, the human rights lawyer who has represented Guantánamo suspects, said: "It's great isn't it? There is no doubt it will stop the practices at Guantánamo. After all, Obama is now the commander-in-chief." Speaking on BBC Radio 4, he added: "It's going to take some work but what he [Obama] is looking at I think here is a very clear-cut distinction between this administration and the last," he said.
Relatives of victims of the September 11 attacks, who were also at the base to observe the hearings, have said they oppose any further delay in the trials of the men charged in the case.
The requested suspension came on the day a military judge adjourned the war crimes court just before Obama was sworn in, noting that the future of the commissions were in doubt.
Obama has pledged to close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, which holds 245 men, and had been expected to suspend the widely criticised tribunals.
The president's nominee for attorney general, Eric Holder, has said the military commissions lack sufficient legal protections for defendants and that they could be tried in the US.
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Show AllThank You Mr. President!!!!
Do you see?
Do you see now?
We have elected a great man to be president.
Where are all the Obama-bashers now?
Right here Joe Hope waiting for Obama to release the other 24,000 prisoners it holds. 250 is literally only 1% of the total of prisoners the U.S. is holding in legal limbo.
Oh give it a rest...
The whole world is celebrating - maybe you should join us.
Over the next couple of years, it will be interesting - and possibly disturbing - to see how Obama deals with a military hung over from eight years of Bush/Cheney indulgence.
q
It will be very difficult. He has two young children I'm sure he'd like to see grow up to adulthood.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
Go Obama. This will be one of a Thousand steps forward Obama will move this country in. Is he a revolutionary? No. But he is a good man. And for D.C., that is pretty remarkable.
azjoe.
And where are these prisoners going to go? Answer secret prisons:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6664947&page=1
See also:
"One of the main sticking points that will be brought by human rights campaigners is the volume of detainees being held as part of the "war on terror" elsewhere in the world. With reports of 24,000 detainees in Iraq and 14,000 in secret detention – the numbers seem astronomical compared with the 250 or so detainees remaining in Guantánamo. In light of the numbers, dealing with Guantánamo is the easy option for President Obama despite his attempts to show an overt commitment to human rights and the rule of law. The extent to which such policies will be taken further to those detained outside of Guantánamo will still need to be seen."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/21/guantanamo-barackobama
What worries me is that good hearted liberals like yourself will let your guard down while Obama spruces up the facade of empire while leaving the deep problems unchanged with because he himself is a servant of empire.
Go Obama! Yes we can!
A picture is worth a thousand words. That picture might say just a little more.
I'm glad someone is taking a second look at these trials, especially young Canadian Omar Khadr who was a child at the time he allegedly threw a grenade back at the armored invading soldiers who had just shot him. If we are not going to charge the soldiers for shooting children, how can we charge little Omar for defending himself?
Did he give direct orders for the torture to cease? - no exceptions? - what about Gitmo's sisters in evil in Iraq and elsewhere? - and the secret prisons (and prisoners)? and the renditions? - are his military police moving on the perps before they can slip away? I assume his commanders know where these all are?
This is a new era.
Of bullshit?
Of not dealing with the 10,000+ other prisoners the U.S. holds?
Even the Nazis had show prisons solely fro Red Cross inspectors to gaze upon.
To quote Public Enemy "don't believe the hype."
Hootowl = Debbie Downer.
The truth is FAR more important than fake happy delusion especially when the lives of millions of people are at stake. This applies to BOTH the U.S. and Israel BTW.
Hootowl,
It can't be easy to watch the entire world celebrate, and feel like you're not part of it.
I know you're bitter and angry right now. I know you're a cynic and more than a little bit elitist. But surely there is still some room in your heart to feel some joy with the rest of us. Please, just once, give positivity a try. Join in the celebration and if you aren't moved, if you don't experience some shred of optimism, some hope for the future, then next week you can go back to spending every waking minute fuming at Obama. But really, you should give him a chance. Have you looked at how many people approve of Obama? Can 80% of Americans be that wrong?
Dude I voted for the guy believe me when I voted for him I thought "gee maybe things will get better" then I saw he was appointing Hilary "I will obliterate iran" Clinton, Rahm "IDF volunteer his father is racist against Arabs" Emmaunual, Joe "I am Zionist and a sellout to the credit card companies" Biden, and Larry "local Fed Cheif ultra bankster" Summers and though "damn we just got fucked without any lube didn't we?"
And yes 80% of American are wrong ALL the time, remember when Bush's popularity was hovering 90% right after 911? I do... :(
I'm... actually pleasantly surprised. No, it's not enough. Not even fractionally enough. But it was a solid opening move.
Nothing is enough for you.
It's about time someone stepped up to the plate here. Next, shut down GITMO.
Obama is not going to shut down Guantanamo.
He just bought himself 4 months in which to have his minions come up with a dozen different legal reasons for NOT shutting it down.
And in that 4 months folks won't get on his butt.
I think you are clearly wrong about this.
The report is that a draft order has been seen demanding closure as soon as possible but no later than one year from the date of that order.
That's closing it down.
And then what happens afterwards the prisoners get shipped to "secret" U.S. military bases and the other literally 10,000 U.S prisoners aren't dealt with? Not good enough... :(
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6664947&page=1
You don't want Obama to succeed, do you?
.Please take your medication, Joe. You are acting in a rather disturbing fashion you might understand, not at all rationally. While it is true that this is a good first step it is still only a band aid on a gaping wound. Perhaps it is only a first step but perhaps it is a sop to the millions of progressives who voted for him and nothing of substance will follow, perhaps much will. I dont know and you dont know.
Please stop raving!
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
ardee wrote, "I dont know and you dont know."
I feel I do know that I can trust Obama. Also, I'm familiar enough with his political record, his background, the books he has written, his speeches and interviews to know what he stands for. Obama has given me no reasons to doubt his integrity.
I'll add that you haven't given me a single reason to doubt his integrity.
On the other hand, I have given you reason after reason to support Obama (from closing Guantanamo to withdrawing from Iraq to fixing the economy), but despite rarely being able to refute any of them, you seem determined to hate him no matter what facts or rational arguments you are confronted with.
Perhaps it's because you are so blinded by your love of Hamas, that you are destined to hate any US president allied with Israel. I don't know. But it seems that, in your eyes, Obama can't do anything right. Even if it's something that progressives have been demanding for years, like closing down Guantanamo.
.Every time I respond to you your replies make me sorry I bothered. You cannot seem to stay on target. Who the fuck spoke about Hamas? Who the fuck mentioned Israel?
You are one delusional piece of work polluting this forum with your fantasy vision of what is real. Guantanemo is STILL OPEN jackass and we are still in Iraq as well. You approach politics the same way a religious fanatic approaches his faith, no reality need apply.
Take your inferences and your faith based politics and put them somewhere that will make sitting difficult.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Hey, ardee...I hear you.
You're right, no one knows how Obama will do. It was never in the cards to know, from where I can see. What was in the cards was an opportunity to improve things, even if just a little (and I think/hope it will be more than just a little).
I'm with you on the gaping wound analogy - I've used it many times myself. However, I liken it to being wounded on a battlefield. Sometimes the medic only has bandages to stanch the flow of blood, so that's what he uses to keep the wounded alive.
We're badly wounded, my friend, and the medic just came on the scene. Maybe we should work with the guy and try to make it to the next stage.
Sorry for the soppy analogy, but I'm tired and a little giddy from the morphine (he's a good medic!).
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
.Ted, a pleasure to respond to a REASONABLY SANE poster.
I have lived in this nation for a long time, I have seldom found reasons to be proud of my native land, this inauguration is one of those proud moments. I believe that Joe Hope is actually cheapening that moment frankly with his abysmally unrealistic cheerleading based on who knows what disorder.
There have been, in Obama's two year run for the office he now occupies, more than a few reasons to doubt the man. Thus I doubt the man. I do so , not only because of his speeches and track record of wavering on important issues or voting 'present' on important votes ( which he did more than any other Senator in his short tenure as a member of that body), but because he waffled on ending the "war on terror", because he rushed to support the no strings attached welfare for the financial institutions that have brought us to the brink of collapse, because his appointments range from a continuation of Bush ( Gates) to a restoration of Clinton ( almost everyone else).
Perhaps you and the other supporters of Obama are on the right side of this debate, we will obviously see in time. Meanwhile it is the duty of all citizens to remain involved in the very important struggle to end what Bush has wrought. I do so with a jaundiced eye to be certain, but I give our President his due, I applauded his ordering the end to those mock trials and I will push for the closing of that heinous prison, and all the others less well known. Mind numbing cheerleading helps not at all, in fact it raises questions as to intent and purpose rather than providing comfort or analysis.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
"Mind numbing cheerleading helps not at all, in fact it raises questions as to intent and purpose rather than providing comfort or analysis."
Oh, ay...I couldn't agree more! Some here remind me of a high school cheerleaders with a crush on the football team captain. Starry-eyed, pom-pon waving, sacharine sweet.
Please, don't let up on your critique of Obama. I too have a jaundiced eye. I guess I see things a little differently, though. I've tilted at too many windmills and realize that they aren't going to change. So, with nowhere else to tilt to, I look at what I can do. S'all.
P.S. Can you imagine the mountain of problems facing Obama? Can you imagine anyone facing that and getting it all right, and fast? I can't.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
ardee
A chance to respond to more lunacy............
"Perhaps you and the other supporters of Obama are on the right side of this debate, we will obviously see in time. Meanwhile it is the duty of all citizens to remain involved in the very important struggle to end what Bush has wrought. I do so with a jaundiced eye to be certain, but I give our President his due, I applauded his ordering the end to those mock trials and I will push for the closing of that heinous prison, and all the others less well known."
So in essence, you like myself and many others do support the new President and wish him every success. But at the same time trust must be earned and speeches don't count, so you are reserving judgement till you have something concrete to judge this President by.
The only real difference is your point of departure. You come from "I don't think he'll be different but hope so" camp, while others come from the believer camp.
The never satisfied group don't really count. He has effectively closed the prison in Cuba by executive order, but it takes time to do it as you are well aware.
Who knows, in 2 years we may be wearing GOBAMA buttons. Or not.
Yes, a year might be needed to close Guantanamo "responsibly".
Thats quite true, but I believe they will do it faster. Glad to know you are pleased! (lol)
."Who knows, in 2 years we may be wearing GOBAMA buttons. Or not."
If this President proceeds apace I will wear that button proudly!
I understand that you do not see progressive and leftist criticisms as some do, but then you are not mindless either. I do object, and strenuously, to the JoeHopes of this world, leaping to false conclusions, and leaping away when presented with facts, folks like that actually retard progress and make the work of demagogues much, much easier. Progressives wish the best for this nation, every bit as much as do centrists and righties of course.
As to being never satisfied, well, one should never expect to achieve perfection, but one should never stop striving for it.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Ardee
Lets hope he proceeds apace and we can. Though we both know he is going to screw up some stuff. Hope its nothing big!
"As to being never satisfied, well, one should never expect to achieve perfection, but one should never stop striving for it."
I stand corrected. Though that wasn't meant for you and some others. Just a certain segment.
"Progressives wish the best for this nation, every bit as much as do centrists and righties of course."
And liberals too! I never thought they didn't. Not ever. Not then, not now.
"but then you are not mindless either"
My wife was looking over my shoulder and she wanted me to tell you she'd like to discuss the fallacy of your statement some time.
This is out of place, but I just heard the guy named Hannity on the radio. I've seen him referred to here before and know he has a show on Fox, but I'd never heard him before.
I feel much better about our chances if thats the opposition!
"but then you are not mindless either"
'My wife was looking over my shoulder and she wanted me to tell you she'd like to discuss the fallacy of your statement some time.'
Har! I simply must introduce my wife to yours. They'd have a gas comparing notes...
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
Ted
Ain't it the truth!
.Ahhh you married guys, what fools these mortals be.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
We are, we are!
I think that's what this is about, JW.
Give him time. Keep on him, but give him time.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
For the first time I can remember I am actually proud to be an American. I think the last time I was proud to be an American I was 3 years old. That's the year they shot JFK.
Me too!
I'm not ashamed to say that I felt such emotion, such pride, and for the first time in my life priviledged to be able to say I lived to see this day.
I'm glad that you're happy, and I too will be very happy if Obama actually shuts down Guantanamo and all our secret prisons, and restores the rule of law. However, it's a sign of how low our country has sunk when good people want to celebrate because there's now hope that we will no longer be torturing people and consigning them to prisons without any rights.
You're right - our country is low.
I'm happy just knowing our president can actually speak the language and think rationally.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
I'm not ashamed to say I cried while watching the speech. I know I wasn't the only one. It was such a rush of emotion. It was like all the shame and criminality of the past 8 years was just washing away, and suddenly I felt clean again, but most of all, I felt proud to be an American.
physicscitizen
What you said.
duplicate
Maybe Obama is smarter than his critics.
Smarter sadly does NOT equal more ethical.