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KARACHI - Pakistani authorities have compared Saturday evening's devastating truck suicide attack on the Marriott Hotel in the capital Islamabad to the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.
Pakistani security guards and employees at the devastated Marriott Hotel in Islamabad on September 22, 2008. Pakistan's top leadership was set to dine at Islamabad's luxury Marriott hotel when it was bombed at the weekend but was saved after changing venue at the last minute.
(AFP/Pedro Ugarte) In terms of its psychological effect, the blast, which killed more than 80 people, injured hundreds and burnt out the hotel, has traumatized the nation, and, like 9/11, marks the beginning of a new battle: this time not the "war on terror", but the war by terrorists.
Pakistan is now the declared battleground in this struggle by Islamic militants to strike first against American interests before the United States' war machine completes its preparations to storm the sanctuaries of al-Qaeda in Pakistan.
The attack on one of the hotels in the chain of the US Marriott group was one of the worst in Pakistan's history and involved the sophisticated use of over 600 kilograms of TNT explosive blended with RDX and phosphorous, detonated when a truck rammed into a security barricade in front of the hotel
Among the dead were the Czech ambassador to Pakistan, two US Marines, members of the US embassy staff, Saudi nationals and other European diplomats. More than 250 people were injured and dozens of parked cars were destroyed.
There was immediate speculation the attack was prompted by the fact of many marines living in the top floor of the hotel. Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani claimed the real target was his residence, where President Asif Ali Zardari, army chiefs of staff and the entire cabinet were gathered for an Iftar (Muslim breaking of the Ramadan fast) dinner. Security was so tight, the theory goes, that the driver instead went to the nearby Marriott.
But on Monday afternoon, Rehman Malik, the Pakistani prime minister's advisor for the interior, told a group of reporters at the Islamabad airport: "An Iftar Dinner was scheduled at Marriot on September which was hosted by National Assembly Speaker Dr Fahmida Mirza and where all dignitaries including the prime minister, president, cabinet and all services chiefs were invited. However, at the eleventh hour the dinner was shifted to rime minster's house which saved Pakistan's entired military and political leadership."
"Perhaps, the earlier information of the dinner was leaked to the militants and therefore they hit Marriot hotel,"Rehman added.
However, Asia Times Online's investigations, including talks with highly placed security experts, indicate that the Marriott attack signals the opening of a major battle which is about to start in Pakistan in a new phase of the "war on terror".
Preparations for a new battle
Saturday's blast occurred on the day of Zardari's first presidential address to a joint session of parliament, after which he was due to depart for New York for the annual meeting of the United Nations General Assembly.
He was also scheduled to meet leading US officials to discuss contentious issues in the "war on terror", especially the US's aggressive military incursions into Pakistan's tribal areas in recent weeks to attack al-Qaeda figures and militants.
Already, though, events had been set in motion to shape this new battlefield.
Approximately 20 kilometers from Islamabad lies Tarbella, the brigade headquarters of Pakistan's Special Operation Task Force (SOTF). Recently, 300 American officials landed at this facility, with the official designation as a "training advisory group", according to documents seen by Asia Times Online.
However, high-level contacts claim this is not as simple as a training program.
In the mid-1990s, during the government of Nawaz Sharif, a special US Central Intelligence Agency unit was based at the same facility, tasked with catching Osama bin Laden. They left after Pervez Musharraf came to power in a coup in 1999.
Now, the US has bought a huge plot of land at Tarbella, several square kilometers, according to sources directly handling the project. Recently, 20 large containers arrived at the facility. They were handled by the Americans, who did not allow any Pakistani officials to inspect them.
Given the size of the containers, it is believed they contain special arms and ammunition and even tanks and armored vehicles - and certainly have nothing to do with any training program.
There is little doubt in the minds of those familiar with the American activities at Tarbella that preparations are being made for an all-out offensive in North-West Frontier Province against sanctuaries belonging to the Taliban and al-Qaeda led by bin Laden. Pakistani security sources maintain more American troops will arrive in the coming days.
Pakistan recently offered ceasefire agreements to militants in the North Waziristan and South Waziristan tribal areas on the border with Afghanistan. These were not only summarily rejected, but followed with attacks in the two Waziristans on security forces, and then the Marriott operation.
For both the militants and the United States, the gloves have come off. Clearly, Washington is concerned at the lack of progress in clipping the wings of the militancy in Pakistan (read al-Qaeda fugitives) and that the Taliban have bases in Pakistan to fuel their insurgency in Afghanistan.
In the crucial few weeks before the US presidential elections there is nothing the George W Bush administration would like more than a real smoking gun to justify the long years of its "war on terror". The soldiers now based Tarbella are on the trail. But so are the militants.
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Show AllA senior commander of the Taliban in Pakistan has denied that his group was responsible for a bomb attack at Islamabad's Marriott hotel, in which at least 53 people died and 270 were injured.
Baitullah Mehsud said on Monday that the Taliban had no role in Saturday's attack, Kamal Hyder, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Islamabad, reported.
"Mehsud said that their group does not believe in killing so many locals in the attack," Hyder said.
"RDX was used in the attack, which is a very volatile substance. The big question is: Where did such a large amount of RDX come from? In previous attacks, militants have not used this substance."
...the plot thickens
Large amounts of high explosive packed into a truck that then slams into a building sounds very similar to the attack on that U.N. Envoy right at the beginning of the occupation of Iraq.
Another aberration in the story we are being told, I think.
"...many marines living in the top floor of the hotel."
Huh? What are Marines doing staying on the top floor of one of the world's most expensive hotels?
Al-Qaeda have for the most part "safe haven" in Pakistan. Why would they want to piss off their hosts?
As remarked earlier, "the plot thickens".
RDX (R)esearch (D)epartment e(X)plosive...Heavy Stuff...British Invention
Looked an Al Queda Op to me...but the Explosive was probably supplied by Iran
...guess they knew the Paki Gov't was just politically posturing
Al Q'aida and Iran have nothing to do with each other. Iran is Shia... Al Q'aida is Sunni... they don't co-operate. They hate each other. Saying Iran gave weapons to Al Q'aida is like saying the Archbishop of Canterbury gave explosives to the IRA.
Also, something that is not reported in the western media is that after 9/11, Iran assisted the US in locating and capturing Al Q'aida members in western Afghanistan.
Al Q'aida and Iran have nothing to do with each other. Iran is Shia... Al Q'aida is Sunni
That is a true statement...that they don't cooperate is not true...The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend
Ah, you have no evidence to back that up, and as far as I'm concerned, you're just engaging in anti-Iran propaganda.
he says whatever he wants. it doesn't matter. He doesn't care. He is just out to rile people. ........lizard
Not to argue... much... but all British explosives developed in the 1930s were given the designation RD and then a number. This explosive though was not developed there (it was bought from the Germans who developed it as a heart medication) and thus got the "x" designation.
Also it is NOT destable. It is one of the most stable explosives, not difficult to make and very powerful. It could easily have been Al Queda or anyone else for that matter.
Will we have to invade Pakistan now, or does that come after we invade Venezuela, Iran and Russia?
Even though Pakistan has an elemnt of two-faced subtrefuge to them we aren't going to invade them...put down the Tom Clancy Novel
This bomb does not have the finger print of Al-Qaida, the size of it and the way it detonated looks a lot like the one used against the Shia shrines and other Shia targets in Iraq.
It will not surprise me that the architect of the bombs are closer to home than the nomads of Al-Qaida or the crazy mullahs of Iran who have everything to loose if the current not-so-us-friendly regime of Pakistan collapses.
This bomb looks a lot like the one used against the Hezbollah leader in Lebanon back in the 80s, something that Rumsfeld had orchestrated and was made a nice act by the white wash Hollywood movie "Spy Game" (I remember my favorite quote of that movei, 'he is reponsile for the Beirut bombing of the US embassy that killed 249 Americans, MOSTLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN').
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I disagree...
Was very much like the American Embassy Bombings back in the 90's only with more bang for the buck...
I imagine they will find a link to somebody in the next few days...we can speculate till we're blue in the face...
"Was very much like the American Embassy Bombings back in the 90's only with more bang for the buck..."
Wrong again, as usual.
The Kenya/Tanzania embassy bombings used the same stuff as did Tim McVeigh in Oklahoma; diesel and ammonium nitrate. Some labs have claimed they detected trace quantities of the Czech-made semtex, but that is uncorroborated..
Would you like to try again? Hey, maybe American militants were behind it!
well heres your Hebollah/Iran/Shiite link
and I stand by what I said...same type of attack...I am saying its Al Qaida
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/28/world/middleeast/28military.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
"Iran has facilitated the link between Hezbollah and the Shiite militias in Iraq, the official said. Syrian officials have also cooperated, though there is debate about whether it has the blessing of the senior leaders in Syria."
They were helping them to fight us in Iraq but in the meantime...we won
so they just shifted war theatre's like we did...as much as they hate each other they hate us infidels more
You are welcome to stand by any belief you want, even your belief in the tooth fairy.
You are unable to prove your assertion that the same type of bomb was used in the Kenya/Tanzania as the Pakistan attack. This immediately places in doubt any further assertions you make, and that you are unable to prove.
The link that you provided recounts the assertion of a single anonymous intelligence analyst who clearly needs to find another job that better suits his/her talents. To assert that shaped charges are sophisticated devices demonstrates a complete disconnect with reality. Iraqi insurgents and terrorists at large are using simple devices that can be manufactured in any garden shed, anywhere in the world. Simple shaped charges can be constructed with a hammer, hack saw or tin snips, a 44-gallon drum and recovered unexploded ordnance, as amply demonstrated during the Vietnam war when such devices were constructed in jungle workshops. Although crude, they were extremely effective, especially against US gun boats. With the use of a simple lathe (of which there are probably tens of thousands in Iraq), effective tank-killers can be made.
And what is your point here? What has IRI and Hezbollah connection to this bombing?
We have an expression in Iran this is like the connection of a "fart and one's forehead" (gooz va shagighe), I can counter your argument with proof of connection between Americans in Ohio the IRA and the terrorist acts such as Omagh bombing, but does that give any insight about this issue?
Hi SnowWolf,
Maybe I am wrong, but the past 25 years since the rise of Reaganism, there has been a lot of suspicious truck bombings that are significantly stronger than the ones small groups such as the one who supposedly did the bombing in Pakistan, can manage to make.
creating bomb is easy, creating such HUGE bomb needs an extremely sophisticated knowledge of how to build it. As far as I can remember, there has only been one other bomb with such power in recent years in Pakistan and even that one had the hands of the Pakistani military all over it (with or without direct help of the CIA).
I believe the bomb's main target was the Pakistani government, not by Al-Qaida, but by Pakistani secret service with the help of the CIA to wipe them out completely and take over the vacuume that follows with the help of the military in a Ziaol-Haq style of brutality.
Mr 10% Zadari is a money-grubbing stooge who has agreed to turn his country over to American military and CIA. Pakistan is circling the drain, and will become 1980's Lebanon writ large. There are people in that part of the world who will not "go gentle into that goodnight." Call them "terrsts" or whatever. The secular West has decided to make war against a religion. To quote W.B. Yeats: "Now his wars on God begin. At stroke of midnight, God shall win".
We need Palin to go SnowWolf-hunting.
At this stage no one really knows. Early accusations merely indicate who
someone WANTS to blame it on. Of course, who to blame it on was most
likely decided on well in advance of it actually happening. Our media
is most likely predestined, as it were, to blame it on someone. It seems the
trolls here would prefer war with ... Iran, but that wont necessarily be
the official target of the operation.
DUBAI (Reuters) - A little known Islamic group claimed responsibility for Saturday's suicide attack on the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad which killed 53, Al Arabiya television reported on Monday.
The group calling itself Fedayeen Islam (Partisans of Islam) demanded the closure of U.S. and NATO military bases in the region and the U.S. embassy in Pakistan , and an end to U.S. attacks against tribal areas in Pakistan and Afghanistan .
"If these demands are not met, we are ready to die," said a spokesman for the group on an audio tape aired by Arabiya. The Dubai-based television station said the English-language recording had been played over the phone to its correspondent in the Pakistani capital.
The speaker said the group had targeted 250 U.S. Marines and NATO officials which he said had been at the hotel, and warned of new attacks, urging Muslims to keep away from places frequented by Westerners.
Arabiya said the authenticity of the tape could not be verified, and the group is not known to have claimed other attacks.
The Czech ambassador and at least three other foreigners were among the 53 people killed in the blast, Islamabad 's worst bomb attack. The truck bombing wounded 266 people and security officials said it bore the hallmarks of al Qaeda .
"The purpose of this (attack) was to kick the American crusaders of out Pakistan and to stop them from interfering in government, military, media, security, religious and other important institutions of Pakistan ," said the speaker whose voice was distorted to make it unrecognizable.
The group also demanded an end to U.S.- Pakistani military cooperation and the release of militants it said were being held in U.S. "secrets prisons," including September 11 mastermind Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, and Afifa Siddiqui, a Pakistani woman on trial in the United States for suspected links to al Qaeda .
(Reporting by Firouz Sedarat; Editing by Matthew Jones)
Not entirely convinced that this is truth, as it is coming from Reuters... but this is the "official story".
AFP is saying:
DUBAI (AFP) - A shadowy group calling itself "Fedayeen of Islam" has claimed responsibility for the deadly bombing of Islamabad 's Marriott Hotel in a telephone call to Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television, the channel said on Monday.
Its correspondent in the Pakistani capital said he received a text message on his mobile phone showing a telephone number, which he called and then heard a recording in which the group admitted launching Saturday's attack.
The speaker on the recording spoke in English "with a south Asian accent," he said.
A suicide bomber rammed a truck packed with more than half a tonne of explosives into the security gates of the luxury hotel, killing at least 60 people and wounding more than 260 in a massive fireball.
250 Marines and NATO Officials were at the Hotel.
They were, however, "Safely sequestered before the blast-order was given."
The recording claiming responsibility was placed by "Some cracker with a distortion box spoke who English."
Yup, al-Queda. Taliban.
"The recording claiming responsibility was placed by "Some cracker with a distortion box spoke who English."
Where'd you get that information?
Sounds like Doctor Who and his TARDIS, what with the "distortion box" and his speaking "who English" and all!
I knew you had to have a lot of good in you and the proof is here. You watched Dr. Who.
The parts about the claim of responsibility being in English and distorted (via phone,) are ALL over the net.*
I maliciously added the 'cracker' part myself.
*Google Pakistan Marriott claim responsibility.
What is achieved by this act of flesh splattering?
and who Benefits from those achievements??
"Even though Pakistan has an elemnt of two-faced subtrefuge to them we aren't going to invade them...put down the Tom Clancy Novel"
This is the only thing that Wolfe has said so far that makes sense -- everything else, like Bushpeak, is Wolfarts. How does one invade ones own backyard ? The Pakistani Genarals have been our bitches for the last 60 years.
The Paki Government may be a Pro Islam but I don't believe they are Pro Islamic Terrorism...it destabilizes their Country and order is hanging on there by its fingernails...the ISI, on the other hand is ass deep in Taliban sympathizers
U.S. escalations in Pakistan for an "all-out offensive in North-West Frontier Province against sanctuaries belonging to the Taliban and al-Qaeda led by bin Laden": not-such-an October surprise.
The probability that Usama Bin Ladin is till alive is evidently much less than him being dead. Many,enough, experts believe and argue that he died some years ago already; only varying in terms of what year the death would've happened.
I read a couple of Sep. 21 articles yesterday at The Pakistan Daily, daily.pk, the politics index, and one is about a very 'mysterious' steel box (or set of boxes) located on the either 4th or 5th floor of the Marriot Hotel when the bombing happened, and no Pakistani officials of any kind were permitted on these floors, which are the ones where there was much fire, while no fire occurred in the rest of the Hotel. There were USMC members there, and there's a relationship between USN Admiral Mullen (among others) and the mysterious steel boxes. The title of the article mentions both 'mysterious' and the U.S. Marines or USMC, and, again, is dated Sep. 21st; for anyone wishing to read it by visiting the website.
Could those boxes being like the containers this Asia Times article refers to? I wonder, but if they're not, then that they contained explosives certainly wouldn't be impossible or even implausible.
I don't believe that the Taliban committed this bombing, for I read several years back that counter-terrorism experts said that it was very odd that Usama Bin Ladin had denied responsibility in the attacks on Sep. 11, 2001, for if he was responsible, then the argument is that real terrorists rather always claim responsibility for their attacks. And that is due to the fact that the acts are to make a strong statement signaling that very important grievances aren't being justly addressed and must be.
Another reason I have some doubt that the Taliban would be responsible for the bombing of the Marriot Hotel is that they would most definitely know what this would lead to and which is the opposite of what they want. They don't want to provoke the U.S. to build up in the North-West Frontier, etcetera, but to stay OUT of Pakistan.
That doesn't guarantee that they're not responsible for Saturday's bombing, but does explain why I have doubts.
Furthermore, that bombing very much fits with the M.O., modus operandi, of the USA when it works covertly. We have much historical proof for realising this, and we have more in the present war on Iraq. A very good resource I've come across on this is the www.brusselstribunal.org website, and there's powerful content there, but Max Fuller's articles will really stun readers who aren't familiar with what he describes in these pieces yet!
The Taliban doesn't want to provoke further build-up of the West's war [of] terrorism against them, but for the West to GET OUT of Afghanistan and now Pakistan! It wouldn't make "street" sense for them to provoke the opposite of what their aims are, but it's possible that they acted in this opposite way. I just doubt that they would and haven't read that they've claimed responsibility for Saturday's bombing; while the U.S. most definitely will [not] claim that it's guilty even if it is. Instead, the U.S. would commit this act of terrorism, murdering many people, in order to pump up or re-boost support for the totally criminal GWoT.
That the U.S. was already building up militarism in Pakistan as the Asia Times article describes also causes me to believe that the U.S. would opportunisitically and strategically want to apply its M.O. manners again, with this bombing on Saturday. The U.S. [never] admits when it's guilty, but, instead, always uses its covert acts to try to blame others.
So I'm not at all convinced that the U.S. is not responsible for Saturday's bombing!
For Usama Bin Ladin to still be alive and living in the tribal areas, he would need to have a dialysis machine with him. Assuming he is there and alive, which I doubt very much, does he have this machine he absolutely must have for treating his ... kidney problem, I believe? Or does he make trips to the Pakistani military hospital for occasional treatment (and how often?) again? Or ...? I think that the experts saying he surely died since 2001 are right, and there is NO evidence that he is alive. There are old videos of his that have been refurbished, say, and which the Bush-Cheney cabal makes opportunistic use of in order to try to fool the masses, but there's [no] real proof he's still alive. All we have is hearsay!
"Instead, the U.S. would commit this act of terrorism, murdering many people, in order to pump up or re-boost support for the totally criminal GWoT."
I dont believe the U.S. is involved in this bombing (just another conspiracy rant). They are definitely involved in the bombings and 'collateral damage' on the border regions. Any number of 'front' groups can claim responsibility for this. How does it matter if its Al-Qaeda or the Taliban ? Does it make it worse or better ?
The U.S. and its Pakistani Military cronies have completely destabilized the region over the years by creating and supporting these very same terrorist groups. They have made the collective lives of the Afghans, Pakistanis (and Indians to an extent) extremely unpleasant to put it mildly. Despite his bluster Musharraf was actually a bulwark against U.S. domination in the region. These new clowns (Kiyani and Zardari) are Empires stooges all over again.
hmmmm...looks like you were wrong again
Pakistan hunts Al-Qaeda cell after hotel blast: officials
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080922071642.p3ngmby5&show_article=1
told you it was an Al Qaida op
Wrong again.
Fidayeen-e-Islam claimed responsibility. They are likely Taliban, not Al-Qaeda.
"Oh look, our media has blamed AlQueda, therefore... Told you so."
As if anyone intelligent even needed follow links to see that they would use it to blame
America's real or imagined enemies. That link is evidence of absolutely nothing.
That our media would use it to blame real or imagined enemies of the USA was
already a given. No crystal ball or links needed.
But who gains from this:-
Prior to this event the whole of Pakistan' population is outraged
over American meddling and American terrorist bombings, and the Pakistani government would
have found it difficult to do as they are told. They were making noises that America
does not like to hear. Things were not about to go America's way.
The Pakistani government may well have grown a set of balls and told the bullies to
shove it.
Now things have changed. The government of Pakistan will claim a mandate to do
whatever it likes.
There was to be a government meeting in the Marriot Hotel, including the Prime Minister.
What was the reason of the last minute change. Could they have had an American tip off?
What better way to demonstrate to the Pakis, just what happens when they dont do as
they are told. You can be sure they are never going to get the balls to demand an
inspection of the American operation at Tarbella. Sadly, permitting US bases on
their soil has compromised their sovereignty to the point where the government is
forced to be American puppets.
You can call the idea that America commits false flag operations on a regular basis,
a conspiracy theory, but then you would be pretty ignorant. America does false flag operations
whenever it suits them. The loss of life is definitely not something that they care about.
What part of PAKISTAN Hunts Al Queda Cell don't you get?
I know...much more fun and intriguing to say America did it and not an actual...you know...terrorist organization
What do you call it when villages are bombed from above. I call it terrorism.
You guys are confusing me. Does it really matter if it was Al Quida, Hammas, etc? All parts of the same body.
But the suggestion this was an American operation is so far out on the rim of absurdity or that we are about to invade Pakistan, get a grip. Doesn't make political or military sense.
It makes PERFECT political sense.