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WASHINGTON and BAGHDAD - He was driving towards Baghdad's Al-Nesowr Circle when he saw the US convoy pass by - two Humvees and five Chevrolet Suburbans.
Then, says the Iraqi, he heard a loud explosion further down the street in the direction the convoy was headed. Gunfire erupted. It didn't initially seem to come from the Americans.
The witness and other nearby Iraqis fled their cars and took cover behind cement barriers. They watched as two small helicopters - Blackwater USA's signature "little birds"- swarmed the area and began shooting at the street.
This Sept. 16 Baghdad firefight, described to a Monitor reporter by an eyewitness, has infuriated the Iraqi government and sparked a debate in Washington about the prevalence and privileges of private security companies in Iraq.
An Iraqi Ministry of Defense report says that 20 Iraqis were killed in the incident, including a mother and child. US officials say they are conducting their own investigation.
"It's a tragic incident, but we don't know what we don't know at this point," says one American officer with an interest in the security situation. "I see a commitment to get to the bottom of what happened and take action based on the findings. I do understand how Iraqis could be angered by what they've heard thus far."
In a sign of how serious the situation has become, the US Embassy in Baghdad suspended diplomatic travel outside the protected Green Zone on Tuesday. Blackwater USA, based in Moyock, N.C., is one of three firms employed by the State Department to provide protection for US missions in Iraq. The others are Dyncorp and Triple Canopy, both based in Washington's Virginia suburbs.
In the case of the latest incident, Blackwater spokeswoman Anne Tyrrell said in a statement Monday that the company's contractors "acted lawfully and appropriately.... Blackwater regrets any loss of life but this convoy was violently attacked by armed insurgents, not civilians, and our people did their job to defend human life."
Iraqis have long bristled at the presence of the private guards, who they claim are little more than mercenaries with little respect for Iraqi lives and less discipline than uniformed US troops.
An Iraqi police officer who works in Karada, a mixed sectarian neighborhood in eastern Baghdad, says the foreign private security firms act out of their own interests as they jet through the city and seem to pay little heed to the dangers they pose to average citizens on the street.
The officer says employees of the firms use overly aggressive tactics, crashing into cars and disobeying traffic laws and often rolling over gardens and hitting trees - and never stopping.
He says he once tried to help an Iraqi driver who was gravely wounded by private security guards even though he had tried to get out of their way. "They are bad," he says.
A 2004 regulation, promulgated by the US occupation officials who then ran Iraq, granted US private security contractors full immunity from prosecution under Iraqi law.
Technically, they could be prosecuted in US courts for misdeeds in Iraq under certain circumstances, according to a July Congressional Research Service (CRS) report on the subject.
However, their prosecution in US military courts could be subject to constitutional challenge, notes CRS. And there are practical limits - such as the difficulty of collecting evidence - on the ability of US civilian courts to handle such cases.
"It is possible that some contractors may remain outside the jurisdiction of US courts, civil or military, for improper conduct in Iraq," concludes CRS.
This legal gray area stems in part from the fact that the Iraq conflict represents the first time the US has depended on private contractors to provide widespread security services in a hostile environment.
There are an estimated 20,000 to 30,000 such guards-for-hire in Iraq - a small fraction of the 182,000 civilian contractors employed by the US for everything from food service jobs to trash collection.
Most of the security personnel work for the Department of Defense or US intelligence agencies. About 1,400 are employed by the Department of State, according to US government figures.
Of these, some 1,000 are Blackwater employees. About three-quarters of the Blackwater personnel are US citizens, with the rest Iraqis and third-country nationals.
In recent Senate testimony, US Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker said, "There is simply no way at all that the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security could ever have enough full-time personnel to staff the security function in Iraq. There is no alternative except through contracts."
Blackwater was founded by former Navy SEAL Erik Prince. Other company leaders are also former military special operations veterans. The company describes itself as the most comprehensive such firm in the world.
It detractors say it may be the most aggressive, as well. Both feared and revered, Blackwater has a certain tough image in the Wild West atmosphere of today's Iraq. Security personnel and others who work in the country all have stories to tell about Blackwater contractors, known for their devil-may-care attitude on the roads and aggressive tactics.
Blackwater helicopters swirl through the skies like insects. Distinctive for their spherical glass canopies, and their persistent whine, they inadvertently announce that an official entourage is racing along, somewhere down below.
At least 15 Blackwater employee have been killed in Iraq, in fire fights and ambushes as well as in helicopter crashes. Family members of four Blackwater employees who were murdered in Fallujah in March 2004, an incident that led to the full-scale US assault on that city, allege the company sent the men into dangerous territory without adequate backup. In testimony before the US Congress last February, family members of the men family members of the men said: "Private military contractors like Blackwater operate outside the military's chain of command and can literally do whatever they please without any liability or accountability from the US government."
According to the four family's statement, the men killed in Fallujah had been promised armored vehicles, six man teams and extensive briefings with maps and intelligence information before conducting missions in Iraq. In the Fallujah incident, none of that was provided, the families said.
"In fact, when Scott Helvenston [one of the murdered Blackwater employees] asked for a map of the route, he was told "it's a little late for a map now."
The firm has also been involved in some notorious past incidents, including one last Christmas, in which an inebriated off-duty Blackwater employee shot and killed a guard working for Iraqi Vice President Adel Abdul Mahdi inside the Green Zone.
At time of writing, the Iraqi government had suspended Blackwater operations within the country.
If that ban is made permanent, "they will sell their client list and employees to some other company," says John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org. "The other contractors will try to get a much better sense of what the rules are and who makes and enforces them."
That the contractors are not subject to Iraqi control may well be an untenable situation, note experts. But it would be difficult to ban all of them outright, considering their importance to the US.
"Nobody is going to be able to throw the contractors out of there," says David Isenberg of the British-American Security Information Council. "They're the American Express card of the American military. The military doesn't leave home without them, because it can't."
© 2007 The Christian Science Monitor
37 Comments so far
Show AllI guess some of us old timers here knew about the bottom line without all the scary details from simonhhh here like when we knew about the FBI's security index and we knew about the CIA's Family Jewels way back then too. We knew our phones were tapped and we were bein watched and all the rest. It took lots of courage for many of us to continue the fight to keep our Human Rights even though we were informed of all of the above in just a few short phrases.
Now we know the details and the details might serve to make many too terrorized to continue the fight.
They know my real name address and my background and they know that I know that they know, but I won't give up...and I have faith that We will keep up the good fight.
Thanks for the heads up anyway.
ForUs, Jim
The mercenary Media helped to put us in this war creating the need for Blackwater and other private companies to assist and protect our troops; the President with the support of the Congress and the help of the Media put our troops in Iraq without the training or equipment or numbers they needed; Blackwater was just a start up company then.
Law enforcement has become far to militant. Wait until Back Water returns home! You are looking at the next generation of American law enforcement. They will be coming to your neigborhood soon. You think because your white, have a few bucks and not a criminal your safe. Your naive at best! When you hear that knock on your door it will be to late! If you don't need probable cause to invade a county you surly won't need cause to invade you home.
The role of private mercenary firms in Iraq and battle zones in general is something that needs to be re-examined. These companies operate outside the law and make hundreds of millions of dollars.
Check out Blackwater, by Jeremy Scahill, a great read by the leading author/investigator of Blackwater.
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American Prison Camps Are on the Way
By Marjorie Cohn, AlterNet. Posted October 9, 2006.
Kellogg Brown & Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location to hold tens of thousands of Bush's "unlawful enemy combatants." Americans are certain to be among them.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/42458/
Still think I need to get a life murf59 or whatever you call yourself??????
CIVILIAN INTERNMENT CAMPS UP FOR REVIEW http://www.thewinds.org/archive/government/camp9-97.html
In a revealing admission the Director of Resource Management for the U.S. Army confirmed the validity of a memorandum relating to the establishment of a civilian inmate labor program under development by the Department of the Army. The document states, "Enclosed for your review and comment is the draft Army regulation on civilian inmate labor utilization" and the procedure to "establish civilian prison camps on installations." Cherith Chronicle, June 1997.
Civilian internment camps or prison camps, more commonly known as concentration camps, have been the subject of much rumor and speculation during the past few years in America. Several publications have devoted space to the topic and many talk radio programs have dealt with the issue.
However, Congressman Henry Gonzales (D, Texas) clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention camps. In an interview the congressman stated, "the truth is yes - you do have these stand by provisions, and the plans are here...whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism...evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps."
HISTORY OF CIVILIAN INTERNMENT CAMPS
The concept of mass internment camps was implemented during the decade of the 1930's when the idea was either integrated into national security planning or put to actual use in the world's three socialistic experiments - the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and the United States under Roosevelt.
On March 9, 1933, Adolph Hitler put his Dachau detention center into operation where thousands of his own countrymen were sent. (Source: Martin Gilber,The Holocaust). Stalin exterminated 7 to 10 million in his rural collectivization program from 1931-1933 and another 10 million in the purges of 1934-1939. It was this decade that the Soviet Gulag proved its worth. On August 24, 1939, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover met with FDR to develop a detention plan for the United States. Five months after this meeting, Hitler opened the Auschwitz detention center in Poland.
On August 3, 1948, J. Edgar Hoover met with Attorney General J. Howard McGrath to form a plan whereby President Truman could suspend constitutional liberties during a national emergency. The plan was code-named "Security Portfolio" and, when activated, it would authorize the FBI to summarily arrest up to 20,000 persons and place them in national security detention camps. Prisoners would not have the right to a court hearing or habeas corpus appeal. Meanwhile, "Security Portfolio" allowed the FBI to develop a watch list of those who would be detained, as well as detailed information on their physical appearance, family, place of work, etc. (David Burnham, Above the Law).
Two years later Congress approved the Internal Security Act of 1950 which contained a provision authorizing an emergency detention plan. Hoover was unhappy with this law because it did not suspend the constitution and it guaranteed the right to a court hearing (habeas corpus). "For two years, while the FBI continued to secretly establish the detention camps and work out detailed seizure plans for thousands of individuals, Hoover kept badgering...[Attorney General McGrath for] official permission to ignore the 1950 law and carry on with the more ferocious 1948 program. On November 25, 1952, the attorney general...caved in to Hoover." ibid.
Congress repealed the Emergency Detention Act of 1950 more than twenty years later in 1971. Seemingly the threat of civilian internment in the United States was over, but not in reality. The Senate held hearings in December, 1975, revealing the ongoing internment plan which had never been terminated. The report, entitled, "Intelligence Activities, Senate Resolution 21", disclosed the covert agenda. In a series of documents, memos and testimony by government informants, the picture emerged of the designs by the federal government to monitor, infiltrate, arrest and incarcerate a potentially large segment of American society.
The Senate report also revealed the existence of the Master Search Warrant (MSW) and the Master Arrest Warrant (MAW) which are currently in force. The MAW document, authorized by the United States Attorney General, directs the head of the FBI to: "Arrest persons whom I deem dangerous to the public peace and safety. These persons are to be detained and confined until further order." The MSW also instructs the FBI Director to "search certain premises where it is believed that there may be found contraband, prohibited articles, or other materials in violation of the Proclamation of the President of the United States." It includes such items as firearms, shortwave radio receiving sets, cameras, propaganda materials, printing presses, mimeograph machines, membership and financial records of organizations or groups that have been declared subversive, or may be hereafter declared subversive by the Attorney General."
Since the Senate hearings in 1975, the steady development of highly specialized surveillance capabilities, combined with the exploding computerized information technologies, have enabled a massive data base of personal information to be developed on millions of unsuspecting American citizens. It is all in place awaiting only a presidential declaration to be enforced by both military and civilian police.
In 1982, President Ronald Reagan issued National Security Directive 58 which empowered Robert McFarlane and Oliver North to use the National Security Council to secretly retrofit FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) to manage the country during a national crisis. The 1984 "REX exercises" simulated civil unrest culminating in a national emergency with a contingency plan for the imprisonment of 400,000 people. REX 84 was so secretive that special metal security doors were installed on the FEMA building's fifth floor, and even long-term officials of the Civil Defense Office were prohibited entry. The ostensible purpose of this exercise was to handle an influx of refugees created by a war in Central America, but a more realistic scenario was the detention of American citizens.
STATE OF EMERGENCY
Under "REX" the President could declare a state of emergency, empowering the head of FEMA to take control of the internal infrastructure of the United States and suspend the constitution. The President could invoke executive orders 11000 thru 11004 which would: 1- Draft all citizens into work forces under government supervision. 2- Empower the postmaster to register all men, women and children. 3- Seize all airports and aircraft. 4- Seize all housing and establish forced relocation of citizens.
FEMA, whose black budget comes from the Department of Defense, has worked closely with the Pentagon in an effort to avoid the legal restrictions of Posse Comitatus. While FEMA may not have been directly responsible for these precedent-setting cases, the principle of federal control was seen during the Los Angeles riots in 1992 with the federalization of the National Guard and during the siege at Waco, where Army tanks equipped with flame throwers were involved in the final conflagration.
GOVERNMENT VIOLENCE IS "LEGITIMATE"?
The Deputy Attorney General of California commented at a conference that anyone who attacks the State, even verbally, becomes a revolutionary and an enemy by definition. Louis Guiffreda, who was head of FEMA, stated that "legitimate violence is integral to our form of government, for it is from this source that we can continue to purge our weaknesses."
It is significant to note that the dictionary definition of terrorism - "the calculated use of violence" - corresponds precisely to the government's stated policy of "the use of legitimate violence." One might ask, who are the real terrorists? Guiffreda's remark gives a revealing insight into the thinking of those who have been charged with oversight of the welfare of the citizens in this country. If one's convictions or philosophy does not correspond with the government's agenda, that individual may find himself on the government's enemy list. This makes him a "target" to be "purged" by the use of "legitimate violence."
If one forgets the past, he will not be prepared for the future.
My Father was incarcerated in the most notorious Prisoner of War Camp or Concentration Camp of World War II; CHANGI in Singapore 1941-1945 by the VIOLENT Japanese Militias of the time...When I saw the results of america's illegal invasion and ocupation of Iraq and Afganistan in the form of Camp Cropper, AbuGraib, Quantanamo etc...
I was stunned and horrified at the parallels....Hence my ongoing discussion comparing NAZI Germany to the current 2007 Americanized Version..... HERES PART OF THE REASON WHY......
FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS: Locations and Executive Orders
Privacy There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. Ask yourself if you really want to be on Ashcroft's list.
The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.
Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.
The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.
Now let's review the justification for any actions taken...
Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:...
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990
allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995
allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997
allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998
allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999
allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000
allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001
allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002
designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005
allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051
specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310
grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049
assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921
allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the...
National Security Act of 1947
allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.
1950 Defense Production Act
gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy.
Act of August 29, 1916
authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency.
International Emergency Economic Powers Act
enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.
Where are these camps?
ALABAMA
Opelika - Military compound either in or very near town.
Aliceville - WWII German POW camp - capacity 15,000
Ft. McClellan (Anniston) - Opposite side of town from Army Depot;
Maxwell AFB (Montgomery) - Civilian prison camp established under Operation Garden Plot, currently operating with support staff and small inmate population.
Talladega - Federal prison "satellite" camp.
ALASKA
Wilderness - East of Anchorage. No roads, Air & Railroad access only. Estimated capacity of 500,000 Elmendorf AFB - Northeast area of Anchorage - far end of base. Garden Plot facility.
Eielson AFB - Southeast of Fairbanks. Operation Garden Plot facility.
Ft. Wainwright - East of Fairbanks
ARIZONA
Ft. Huachuca - 20 miles from Mexican border, 30 miles from Nogales Rex '84 facility.
Pinal County - on the Gila River - WWII Japanese detention camp. May be renovated.
Yuma County - Colorado River - Site of former Japanese detention camp (near proving grounds). This site was completely removed in 1990 according to some reports.
Phoenix - Federal Prison Satellite Camp. Main federal facility expanded.
Florence - WWII prison camp NOW RENOVATED, OPERATIONAL with staff & 400 prisoners, operational capacity of 3,500.
Wickenburg - Airport is ready for conversion; total capacity unknown. Davis-Monthan AFB (Tucson) - Fully staffed and presently holding prisoners!!
Sedona - site of possible UN base.
ARKANSAS
Ft. Chaffee (near Fort Smith, Arkansas) - Has new runway for aircraft, new camp facility with cap of 40,000 prisoners Pine Bluff Arsenal - This location also is the repository for B-Z nerve agent, which causes sleepiness, dizziness, stupor; admitted use is for civilian control. Jerome - Chicot/Drew Counties - site of WWII Japanese camps Rohwer - Descha County - site of WWII Japanese camps Blythville AFB - Closed airbase now being used as camp. New wooden barracks have been constructed at this location. Classic decorations - guard towers, barbed wire, high fences. Berryville - FEMA facility located east of Eureka Springs off Hwy. 62. Omaha - Northeast of Berryville near Missouri state line, on Hwy 65 south of old wood processing plant. Possible crematory facility.
CALIFORNIA
Vandenburg AFB - Rex 84 facility, located near Lompoc & Santa Maria. Internment facility is located near the oceanside, close to Space Launch Complex #6, also called "Slick Six". The launch site has had "a flawless failure record" and is rarely used. Norton AFB - (closed base) now staffed with UN according to some sources. Tule Lake - area of "wildlife refuge", accessible by unpaved road, just inside Modoc County. Fort Ord - Closed in 1994, this facility is now an urban warfare training center for US and foreign troops, and may have some "P.O.W. - C.I." enclosures. Twentynine Palms Marine Base - Birthplace of the infamous "Would you shoot American citizens?" Quiz. New camps being built on "back 40". Oakdale - Rex 84 camp capable of holding at least 20,000 people. 90 mi. East of San Francisco. Terminal Island - (Long Beach) located next to naval shipyards operated by ChiCom shipping interests. Federal prison facility located here. Possible deportation point. Ft. Irwin - FEMA facility near Barstow. Base is designated inactive but has staffed camp. McClellan AFB - facility capable for 30,000 - 35,000 Sacramento - Army Depot - No specific information at this time. Mather AFB - Road to facility is blocked off by cement barriers and a stop sign. Sign states area is restricted; as of 1997 there were barbed wire fences pointing inward, a row of stadium lights pointed toward an empty field, etc. Black boxes on poles may have been cameras.
COLORADO
Trinidad - WWII German/Italian camp being renovated. Granada - Prowers County - WWII Japanese internment camp Ft. Carson - Along route 115 near Canon City
CONNECTICUT, DELAWARE
No data available.
FLORIDA
Avon Park - Air Force gunnery range, Avon Park has an on-base "correctional facility" which was a former WWII detention camp. Camp Krome - DoJ detention/interrogation center, Rex 84 facility Eglin AFB - This base is over 30 miles long, from Pensacola to Hwy 331 in De Funiak Springs. High capacity facility, presently manned and populated with some prisoners. Pensacola - Federal Prison Camp Everglades - It is believed that a facility may be carved out of the wilds here.
GEORGIA
Ft. Benning - Located east of Columbus near Alabama state line. Rex 84 site - Prisoners brought in via Lawson Army airfield. Ft. Mc Pherson - US Force Command - Multiple reports that this will be the national headquarters and coordinating center for foreign/UN troop movement and detainee collection. Ft. Gordon - West of Augusta - No information at this time. Unadilla - Dooly County - Manned, staffed FEMA prison on route 230, no prisoners. Oglethorpe - Macon County; facility is located five miles from Montezuma, three miles from Oglethorpe. This FEMA prison has no staff and no prisoners. Morgan - Calhoun County, FEMA facility is fully manned & staffed - no prisoners. Camilla - Mitchell County, south of Albany. This FEMA facility is located on Mt. Zion Rd approximately 5.7 miles south of Camilla. Unmanned - no prisoners, no staff. Hawkinsville - Wilcox County; Five miles east of town, fully manned and staffed but no prisoners. Located on fire road 100/Upper River Road Abbeville - South of Hawkinsville on US route 129; south of town off route 280 near Ocmulgee River. FEMA facility is staffed but without prisoners. McRae - Telfair County - 1.5 miles west of McRae on Hwy 134 (8th St). Facility is on Irwinton Avenue off 8th St., manned & staffed - no prisoners. Fort Gillem - South side of Atlanta - FEMA designated detention facility. Fort Stewart - Savannah area - FEMA designated detention facility
HAWAII
Halawa Heights area - Crematory facility located in hills above city. Area is marked as a state department of health laboratory. Barbers Point NAS - There are several military areas that could be equipped for detention / deportation. Honolulu - Detention transfer facility at the Honolulu airport similar in construction to the one in.Oklahoma (pentagon-shaped building where airplanes can taxi up to).
IDAHO
Minidoka/Jerome Counties - WWII Japanese-American internment facility possibly under renovation. Clearwater National Forest - Near Lolo Pass - Just miles from the Montana state line near Moose Creek, this unmanned facility is reported to have a nearby airfield. Wilderness areas - Possible location. No data.
ILLINOIS
Marseilles - Located on the Illinois River off Interstate 80 on Hwy 6. It is a relatively small facility with a cap of 1400 prisoners. Though it is small it is designed like prison facilities with barred windows, but the real smoking gun is the presence of military vehicles. Being located on the Illinois River it is possible that prisoners will be brought in by water as well as by road and air. This facility is approximately 75 miles west of Chicago. National Guard training area nearby. Scott AFB - Barbed wire prisoner enclosure reported to exist just off-base. More info needed, as another facility on-base is beieved to exist. Pekin - This Federal satellite prison camp is also on the Illinois River, just south of Peoria. It supplements the federal penitentiary in Marion, which is equipped to handle additional population outside on the grounds. Chanute AFB - Rantoul, near Champaign/Urbana - This closed base had WWII - era barracks that were condemned and torn down, but the medical facility was upgraded and additional fencing put up in the area. More info needed. Marion - Federal Penitentiary and satellite prison camp inside Crab Orchard Nat'l Wildlife Refuge. Manned, staffed, populated fully. Greenfield - Two federal correctional "satellite prison camps" serving Marion - populated as above. Shawnee National Forest - Pope County - This area has seen heavy traffic of foreign military equipment and troops via Illinois Central Railroad, which runs through the area. Suspected location is unknown, but may be close to Vienna and Shawnee correctional centers, located 6 mi. west of Dixon Springs. Savanna Army Depot - NW area of state on Mississippi River. Lincoln, Sheridan, Menard, Pontiac, Galesburg - State prison facilities equipped for major expansion and close or adjacent to highways & railroad tracks. Kankakee - Abandoned industrial area on west side of town (Rt.17 & Main) designated as FEMA detention site. Equipped with water tower, incinerator, a small train yard behind it and the rear of the facility is surrounded by barbed wire facing inwards.
INDIANA
Indianapolis / Marion County - Amtrak railcar repair facility (closed); controversial site of a major alleged detention / processing center. Although some sources state that this site is a "red herring", photographic and video evidence suggests otherwise. This large facility contains large 3-4 inch gas mains to large furnaces (crematoria??), helicopter landing pads, railheads for prisoners, Red/Blue/Green zones for classifying/processing incoming personnel, one-way turnstiles, barracks, towers, high fences with razor wire, etc. Personnel with government clearance who are friendly to the patriot movement took a guided tour of the facility to confirm this site. This site is located next to a closed refrigeration plant facility. Ft. Benjamin Harrison - Located in the northeast part of Indianapolis, this base has been decomissioned from "active" use but portions are still ideally converted to hold detainees. Helicopter landing areas still exist for prisoners to be brought in by air, land & rail. Crown Point - Across street from county jail, former hospital. One wing presently being used for county work-release program, 80% of facility still unused. Possible FEMA detention center or holding facility. Camp Atterbury - Facility is converted to hold prisoners and boasts two active compounds presently configured for minumum security detainees. Located just west of Interstate 65 near Edinburgh, south of Indianapolis. Terre Haute - Federal Correctional Institution, Satellite prison camp and death facility. Equipped with crematoria reported to have a capacity of 3,000 people a day. FEMA designated facility located here. Fort Wayne - This city located in Northeast Indiana has a FEMA designated detention facility, accessible by air, road and nearby rail. Kingsbury - This "closed" military base is adjacent to a state fish & wildlife preserve. Part of the base is converted to an industrial park, but the southern portion of this property is still used. It is bordered on the south by railroad, and is staffed with some foreign-speaking UN troops. A local police officer who was hunting and camping close to the base in the game preserve was accosted, roughed up, and warned by the English-speaking unit commander to stay away from the area. It was suggested to the officer that the welfare of his family would depend on his "silence". Located just southeast of LaPorte. Jasper-Pulaski Wildlife Area - Youth Corrections farm located here. Facility is "closed", but is still staffed and being "renovated". Total capacity unknown. Grissom AFB - This closed airbase still handles a lot of traffic, and has a "state-owned" prison compound on the southern part of the facility.
UNICOR
. Jefferson Proving Grounds - Southern Indiana - This facility was an active base with test firing occuring daily. Portions of the base have been opened to create an industrial park, but other areas are still highly restricted. A camp is believed to be located "downrange". Facility is equipped with an airfield and has a nearby rail line. Newport - Army Depot - VX nerve gas storage facility. Secret meetings were held here in 1998 regarding the addition of the Kankakee River watershed to the Heritage Rivers Initiative. Hammond - large enclosure identified in FEMA-designated city.
IOWA
No data available.
KANSAS
Leavenworth - US Marshal's Fed Holding Facility, US Penitentiary, Federal Prison Camp, McConnell Air Force Base. Federal death penalty facility. Concordia - WWII German POW camp used to exist at this location but there is no facility there at this time. Ft. Riley - Just north of Interstate 70, airport, near city of Manhattan. El Dorado - Federal prison converted into forced-labor camp, UNICOR industries. Topeka - 80 acres has been converted into a temporary holding camp.
KENTUCKY
Ashland - Federal prison camp in Eastern Kentucky near the Ohio River. Louisville - FEMA detention facility, located near restricted area US naval ordnance plant. Military airfield located at facility, which is on south side of city. Lexington - FEMA detention facility, National Guard base with adjacent airport facility. Manchester - Federal prison camp located inside Dan Boone National Forest. Ft. Knox - Detention center, possibly located near Salt River, in restricted area of base. Local patriots advise that black Special Forces & UN gray helicopters are occasionally seen in area. Land Between the Lakes - This area was declared a UN biosphere and is an ideal geographic location for detention facilities. Area is an isthmus extending out from Tennessee, between Lake Barkley on the east and Kentucky Lake on the west. Just scant miles from Fort Campbell in Tennessee.
LOUISIANA
Ft. Polk - This is a main base for UN troops & personnel, and a training center for the disarmament of America. Livingston - WWII German/Italian internment camp being renovated?; halfway between Baton Rouge and Hammond, several miles north of Interstate 12. Oakdale - Located on US route 165 about 50 miles south of Alexandria; two federal detention centers just southeast of Fort Polk.
MAINE
Houlton - WWII German internment camp in Northern Maine, off US Route 1.
MARYLAND, and DC
Ft. Meade - Halfway between the District of Criminals and Baltimore. Data needed. Ft. Detrick - Biological warfare center for the NWO, located in Frederick.
MASSACHUSETTS
Camp Edwards / Otis AFB - Cape Cod - This "inactive" base is being converted to hold many New Englander patriots. Capacity unknown. Ft. Devens - Active detention facility. More data needed.
MICHIGAN
Camp Grayling - Michigan Nat'l Guard base has several confirmed detention camps, classic setup with high fences, razor wire, etc. Guard towers are very well-built, sturdy. Multiple compounds within larger enclosures. Facility deep within forest area. Sawyer AFB - Upper Peninsula - south of Marquette - No data available. Bay City - Classic enclosure with guard towers, high fence, and close to shipping port on Saginaw Bay, which connects to Lake Huron. Could be a deportation point to overseas via St. Lawrence Seaway. Southwest - possibly Berrien County - FEMA detention center. Lansing - FEMA detention facility.
MINNESOTA
Duluth - Federal prison camp facility. Camp Ripley - new prison facility.
MISSISSIPPI
These sites are confirmed hoaxes. Hancock County - NASA test site De Soto National Forest. "These two supposed camps in Mississippi do not exist. Members of the Mississippi Militia have checked these out on more than one occasion beginning back when they first appeared on the Internet and throughout the Patriot Movement." - Commander D. Rayner, Mississippi Militia
MISSOURI
Richards-Gebaur AFB - located in Grandview, near K.C.MO. A very large internment facility has been built on this base, and all base personnel are restricted from coming near it. Ft. Leonard Wood - Situated in the middle of Mark Twain National Forest in Pulaski County. This site has been known for some UN training, also home to the US Army Urban Warfare Training school "Stem Village". Warsaw - Unconfirmed report of a large concentration camp facility.
MONTANA
Malmstrom AFB - UN aircraft groups stationed here, and possibly a detention facility.
NEBRASKA
Scottsbluff - WWII German POW camp (renovated?). Northwest, Northeast corners of state - FEMA detention facilities - more data needed. South Central part of state - Many old WWII sites - some may be renovated.
NEVADA
Elko - Ten miles south of town. Wells - Camp is located in the O'Niel basin area, 40 miles north of Wells, past Thousand Springs, west off Hwy 93 for 25 miles. Pershing County - Camp is located at I-80 mile marker 112, south side of the highway, about a mile back on the county road and then just off the road about 3/4mi. Winnemucca - Battle Mountain area - at the base of the mountains. Nellis Air Force Range - Northwest from Las Vegas on Route 95. Nellis AFB is just north of Las Vegas on Hwy 604. Stillwater Naval Air Station - east of Reno . No additional data.
NEW HAMPSHIRE / VERMONT
Northern New Hampshire - near Lake Francis. No additional data.
NEW JERSEY
Ft. Dix / McGuire AFB - Possible deportation point for detainees. Lots of pictures taken of detention compounds and posted on Internet, this camp is well-known. Facility is now complete and ready for occupancy.
NEW MEXICO
Ft. Bliss - This base actually straddles Texas state line. Just south of Alomogordo, Ft. Bliss has thousands of acres for people who refuse to go with the "New Order". Holloman AFB (Alomogordo)- Home of the German Luftwaffe in Amerika; major UN base. New facility being built on this base, according to recent visitors. Many former USAF buildings have been torn down by the busy and rapidly growing German military force located here. Fort Stanton - currently being used as a youth detention facility approximately 35 miles north of Ruidoso, New Mexico. Not a great deal of information concerning the Lordsburg location. White Sands Missile Range - Currently being used as a storage facility for United Nations vehicles and equipment. Observers have seen this material brought in on the Whitesands rail spur in Oro Grande New Mexico about thirty miles from the Texas, New Mexico Border.
NEW YORK
Ft. Drum - two compounds: Rex 84 detention camp and FEMA detention facility. Albany - FEMA detention facility. Otisville - Federal correctional facility, near Middletown. Buffalo - FEMA detention facility.
NORTH CAROLINA
Camp Lejeune / New River Marine Airfield - facility has renovated, occupied WWII detention compounds and "mock city" that closely resembles Anytown, USA. Fort Bragg - Special Warfare Training Center. Renovated WWII detention facility. Andrews - Federal experiment in putting a small town under siege. Began with the search/ hunt for survivalist Eric Rudolph. No persons were allowed in or out of town without federal permission and travel through town was highly restricted. Most residents compelled to stay in their homes. Unregistered Baptist pastor from Indiana visiting Andrews affirmed these facts.
NORTH DAKOTA
Minot AFB - Home of UN air group. More data needed on facility.
OHIO
Camp Perry - Site renovated; once used as a POW camp to house German and Italian prisoners of WWII. Some tar paper covered huts built for housing these prisoners are still standing. Recently, the construction of multiple 200-man barracks have replaced most of the huts. Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus - FEMA detention facilities. Data needed. Lima - FEMA detention facility. Another facility located in/near old stone quarry near Interstate 75. Railroad access to property, fences etc.
OKLAHOMA
Tinker AFB (OKC) - All base personnel are prohibited from going near civilian detention area, which is under constant guard. Will Rogers World Airport - FEMA's main processing center for west of the Mississippi. All personnel are kept out of the security zone. Federal prisoner transfer center located here (A pentagon-shaped building where airplanes can taxi up to). Photos have been taken and this site will try to post soon! El Reno - Renovated federal internment facility with CURRENT population of 12,000 on Route 66. McAlester - near Army Munitions Plant property - former WWII German / Italian POW camp designated for future use. Ft. Sill (Lawton) - Former WWII detention camps. More data still needed.
OREGON
Sheridan - Federal prison satellite camp northwest of Salem. Josephine County - WWII Japanese internment camp ready for renovation. Sheridan - FEMA detention center. Umatilla - New prison spotted.
PENNSYLVANIA
Allenwood - Federal prison camp located south of Williamsport on the Susquehanna River. It has a current inmate population of 300, and is identified by William Pabst as having a capacity in excess of 15,000 on 400 acres.
Indiantown Gap Military Reservation - located north of Harrisburg. Used for WWII POW camp and renovated by Jimmy Carter. Was used to hold Cubans during Mariel boat lift.
Camp Hill - State prison close to Army depot. Lots of room, located in Camp Hill, Pa. New Cumberland Army Depot - on the Susquehanna River, located off Interstate 83 and Interstate 76.
Schuylkill Haven - Federal prison camp, north of Reading.
SOUTH CAROLINA
Greenville - Unoccupied youth prison camp; total capacity unknown.
Charleston - Naval Reserve & Air Force base, restricted area on naval base.
SOUTH DAKOTA
Yankton - Federal prison camp
Black Hills Nat'l Forest - north of Edgemont, southwest part of state. WWII internment camp being renovated.
TENNESSEE
Ft. Campbell - Next to Land Between the Lakes; adjacent to airfield and US Alt. 41.
Millington - Federal prison camp next door to Memphis Naval Air Station.
Crossville - Site of WWII German / Italian prison camp is renovated; completed barracks and behind the camp in the woods is a training facility with high tight ropes and a rappelling deck.
Nashville - There are two buildings built on State property that are definitely built to hold prisoners. They are identical buildings - side by side on Old Briley Parkway. High barbed wire fence that curves inward.
TEXAS
Austin - Robert Mueller Municipal airport has detenion areas inside hangars.
Bastrop - Prison and military vehicle motor pool.
Eden - 1500 bed privately run federal center. Currently holds illegal aliens.
Ft. Hood (Killeen) - Newly built concentration camp, with towers, barbed wire etc., just like the one featured in the movie Amerika. Mock city for NWO shock- force training. Some footage of this area was used in "Waco: A New Revelation" Reese AFB (Lubbock) - FEMA designated detention facility.
Sheppard AFB - in Wichita Falls just south of Ft. Sill, OK. FEMA designated detention facility.
North Dallas - near Carrolton - water treatment plant, close to interstate and railroad.
Mexia - East of Waco 33mi.; WWII German facility may be renovated.
Amarillo - FEMA designated detention facility
Ft. Bliss (El Paso) - Extensive renovation of buildings and from what patriots have been able to see, many of these buildings that are being renovated are being surrounded by razor wire.
Beaumont / Port Arthur area - hundreds of acres of federal camps already built on large-scale detention camp design, complete with the double rows of chain link fencing with razor type concertina wire on top of each row. Some (but not all) of these facilities are currently being used for low-risk state prisoners who require a minimum of supervision.
Ft. Worth - Federal prison under construction on the site of Carswell AFB.
UTAH
Millard County - Central Utah - WWII Japanese camp. (Renovated?)
Ft. Douglas - This "inactive" military reservation has a renovated WWII concentration camp.
Migratory Bird Refuge - West of Brigham City - contains a WWII internment camp that was built before the game preserve was established.
Cedar City - east of city - no data available. Wendover - WWII internment camp may be renovated.
Skull Valley - southwestern Camp William property - east of the old bombing range. Camp was accidentally discovered by a man and his son who were rabbit hunting; they were discovered and apprehended. SW of Tooele.
VIRGINIA
Ft. A.P. Hill (Fredericksburg) - Rex 84 / FEMA facility. Estimated capacity 45,000.
Petersburg - Federal satellite prison camp, south of Richmond.
WEST VIRGINIA
Beckley - Alderson - Lewisburg - Former WWII detention camps that are now converted into active federal prison complexes capable of holding several times their current populations. Alderson is presently a women's federal reformatory.
Morgantown - Federal prison camp located in northern WV; just north of Kingwood.
Mill Creek - FEMA detention facility.
Kingwood - Newly built detention camp at Camp Dawson Army Reservation. More data needed on Camp Dawson.
WASHINGTON
Seattle/Tacoma - SeaTac Airport: fully operational federal transfer center
Okanogan County - Borders Canada and is a site for a massive concentration camp capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people for slave labor. This is probably one of the locations that will be used to hold hard core patriots who will be held captive for the rest of their lives.
Sand Point Naval Station - Seattle - FEMA detention center used actively during the 1999 WTO protests to classify prisoners.
Ft. Lewis / McChord AFB - near Tacoma - This is one of several sites that may be used to ship prisoners overseas for slave labor.
WISCONSIN
Ft. McCoy - Rex 84 facility with several complete interment compounds.
Oxford - Central part of state - Federal prison & staellite camp and FEMA detention facility.
WYOMING
Heart Mountain - Park County N. of Cody - WWII Japanese interment camp ready for renovation.
Laramie - FEMA detention facility
Southwest - near Lyman - FEMA detention facility
East Yellowstone - Manned internment facility - Investigating patriots were apprehended by European soldiers speaking in an unknown language. Federal government assumed custody of the persons and arranged their release.
Having served in the British Army for 25 years I'm not too squeamish when it comes to death of a few people but this Iraq crime is just plain GENOCIDE. The religious nutcases in the USA see Islam as a threat so it has to be fought by killing as many as possible.
It would never enter their empty skulls the thought that you have to fight an idea with a better one unless of course they know they don't have a better one.
As for Kem, all you got instead of King George in London is King George in Washington. We British got the better deal by losing the war because all the despots who ruled us now rule you.
gyptian September 21st, 2007 12:54 am
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coco September 21st, 2007 1:55 am
Thanks greatly for the honesty of your responses, Even I have to stretch reality to accommodate inconvenient truths.....We can be heartened by the thought the TRUTH sometime hurts, but ultimately will set us FREE....
SIMONHHH
they keep quiet because they are impotent. the people who really want to do something about the state of affairs are in the minority. just look at that,getting tasered for asking relevant questions. most people are scared shitless of the brute force of the controllers. they are being herded around like cows and sheep and if they step out of line they get cattle prodded. that is basically the analogy one can make to these disgusting infringements on human rights.
In a sign of how serious the situation has become the American media points its finger everywhere but at its own responsibility for this war.
simonhhh ... what you say is absolutely right for the most part. The reason you dont get a response is because most of us americans hate to admit we are wrong and hate the comparison to nazi germany. Maybe historians in the future will be able to see the symbolism and the parallels, but we find it a stretch (myself included). Maybe we know deep inside its true but if my dad was a serial killer i would try my best to hide that !!!
Why waste tax payer's money on the Blackwater thugs when all you need to do is unleash hardened criminals from american jails on the iraqi public. Sort of a real life version of the film "the dirty dozen".It just might work. The jails are overflowing with violent criminals anyways.
USA killed millions of Vietnamese, the Vietnamese now drink KoKaKola and are real friendly towards USA'ers.
USA has now killed a million+ Iraqis, I don't believe the Iraqis will ever be friendly towards USA'ers again. I ask, USA do you ever want to tour distant lands without meeting someone who has a personal blood vendetta against you?
You got it luckyL! It don't matter how much you kiss their asses they will still shit right in your face.
We have hugged the tar baby Mr. Conquistador. Not even those lovely pink tutu Dems can bring this impotent Empire to withdraw. Too much money in the American economy to transfer to the top 1/4 of 1%. They want it all. They want your homes, your lives, your futures. Vote all you want.
In 2013 we will still be bleeding in Iraq but everything here will have grown very Dark. Three successive waves of massive econmic failure, each of them xfering more wealth to the top 1/4 of 1%. Master's corporate feudal slave empire. Our future. Master never needed a consumer economy to rule a feudal slave empire and he won't need one to rule your children. Besides, people who spend their entire waking lives working, until they drop dead, just so they can pay rent, eat food, and have a means of transportation, are little more than slaves anyway. Upward mobility means becoming an Overseer and you all know what that means, they fuck you. Like Democrats.
The first wave has already begun. Like they said in that Harry POtter, "Clench your buttocks, it's going to be a buMPY RIde." Just remember, when all else fails, cut off their heads. Worked for the French, for a little while and made them feel very good, for a little while. Or simply accept 400 years of high tech slavery. "Where'd they put your RF chip, sugar? I got me a special implant. They had to threaten me with a docilator chip first though. Say yours looks great. Does that tickle?" Oh yeah, humans can be habituated to almost anything, for a little while.
YOU ARE the only hope we have for a future. You KNOW what to do. Already. Thoughts have been percolating for years now. Just do it. Plan it, organize it, execute the plan. Some say we are already DOOOMED. I don't know that. As far as I'm concerned, it ain't over til I'm and that's only for me, the rest of you keep going.
What do you want to do with the time you have left? How do you want to live through that time? What is VITALLY important to you in your life? If there is nothing VITALLY important in your life, check your pulse. Make sure there is one. I say this only because, until and unless, something becomes VITALLY important to a lot of us, Master wins and we never get to find out what we could have become with the lights on inside. Hard to do that with a 60 hr+ week (not counting commute, meals and 'housekeeping'). Master loves exhausted sleep walkers, they are easy to rape.
Peace.
Since when did the American government or favored contractors start worrying about any rules outside their dark empire?
Why not have US soldiers, instead of people like Blackwater, guarding all the corporate entities rustling through the loot in Irag; after all, we have our military ("somebody else's children") protecting US corporate extraction of Iraqi oil. That's why we went to Iraq, according to grand wizard Greenspan. I don't see the difference. And as for General Petraeus, Move-On should stick by its guns, so to speak. But the ultimate betrayal award should go to ourselves: that we have permitted a Non Discussion that enables this mayhem and fraud.
pcsmith;
it's a lot eaiser to hit a HUEY (Max speed of 135 MPH, length 57 ft. 2 rotor blades)with a rifle than a Hughs MD500 series (max spd.175MPH length 35 Ft. 5 rotor blades). Smaller, faster, better armor, and more manueverable equals harder to hit and bring down.
Also, in V.N. most of the fire came from hidden jungle positions, and even if you see where the fire was comming from, finding a target was difficult, and in an urban setting it's much harder to find concealment.
Although I was against this immoral invasion from the begining for a variety of reasons, giving advice to shoot down americans is just plain wrong.
If you don't like the way the bushies are acting, go and protest, write your newspaper, phone your congressman(as if that will do any good), or let the little king in the white house know how you feel.
Fighting a gurerilla war in another's land is both painful and an expensive losing battle. You can win every firefight and lose the war. Just ask the Vietnamese, or the British, who fought a losing war in America in the 1700s. Of course without the help of France then, we'd be eating Kidney pies and driving on the wrong side of the road. That's why I love French fries. Eating a kidney or a liver is like eating the sludge from the bottom of a swill bucket.
Ahem. Whatever happened to the "sovereignty" our Government handed over to Iraq with great fanfare two years ago? How does it happen that the "sovereign" democratically elected government of Iraq is somehow legally precluded from asserting criminal jurisdiction over individuals and corporations committing homicide against Iraqi citizens in the streets of the nation's capitol, because of a pre-sovereignty CPA "immunity order" issued by a foreign entity that no longer exists? All we are told here is that "some experts question" the assertion that Iraq lacks jurisdiction to handle this "problem." Well, not "all" -- we are also told that US occupying forces and officials "cannot do without" the mercenary services of Blackwater et al., and therefore there is really no choice but to keep them there despite the wishes of the Iraqi government and people. So much for Iraqi "sovereignty, "democracy," or any of the other many blessings we have showered upon the Iraqi people. If our "vital interests" (as our "leaders" in Washington choose to define them) so require, US troops will continue to occupy Iraqi for decades to come. And we will continue to be entertained by polite TV debates over how much "time off" from combat duty our endlessly recycled volunteer soldiers should be afforded. And so it goes.
KEM PATRICK September 20th, 2007 3:27 pm
"Imagine what the people over there think of it all and of us Americans in general?"
They would be scared SHITLESS 24/7 and that OBL must have been right about the "Great Infidel".... In other words, the USA has created an unholy 'cluster fuck' that will haunt Americans for generations.....
Since mercenaries supporting an occupation are more than fair game for resistance fighters, here's a tip for any Iraqi with an AK47 (all of them?) and another Viet Nam analogy: Helicopters are easy to shoot down. Most of the helicopters lost in Viet Nam - and there were hundreds, if not thousands of them, were brought down with small arms fire. But you didn't hear it from me.
I have heard about people becoming their own enemy. Bob Dylan said "In a soldier's stance I aimed my hand at the mongrel dogs who teach fearing not I'd become my enemy in the instant that I preach."
In our rush to get the bad guys after 9/11 we have somehow become the enemy we are fighting. It's becoming hard to tell who the enemy is anymore. Everyone we kill in Iraq is an 'insurgent' with a gun. We're the only country in the world openly attacking other nations and threatening nuclear war. We're the only ones threatening world peace.
It's even more frightening that the recent Bin Laden tape actually made sense. It's because there's so much corruption and crime here that the words of another criminal are more easily understood.
bush said "Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists!" Somebody please tell me who the terrorists are and why we're any different.
I watched a fifteen minute skit on CNN Monday, where the reporter was interviewing some of the Blakwater gang members in Iraq. They have a neat sholder patch emblem BTW, a black leapord's foot with extended claws.
I swear, if I didn't know better, I would have thought they were members of the Huns, or a Hells Angels motorcylce gang. They were wearing the military green T shirts, but had cut the sleeves off, (Rambo style), so their large tatoos were showing. They all had two to three automatic firing weapons and one was loading a 14 round pistol clip with DU ammo. Our military doesn't admit they use DU ammo in small arms now, but it looks like the Blackwtaer boys do. The only thing missing was a couple of chicks in the group, wearing black leather hip boots, a chrome chain belt and an American flag head scarf. Actually, it was disgusting and scary at the same time.
Imagine what the people over there think of it all and of us Americans in general. Half of the trillion spent on the war is routed to Halliburton and down to the sub-contractors like Blackwater. When April 15th, rolls around, think of where your tax money is going. It's going so Bush/Cheney and our weak Congress, can kill a lot of innocent people and utterly destroy a country.
Here are our tax dollars at work with Blackwater USA:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Aegis-PSD.mov
There should be immediate legislation put forward in Congress to remove this agency and all private corporate mercenary goon squads from Iraq and any other foreign country where they may be terrorizing citizens with U.S. taxpayer dollars. For this is what they are: Terrorists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeHVvi78B88&NR=1
All contracts must be pulled from them and their existence in this country must be banned absolutely as they are terrorists and a danger to the Constitution and the American People. The only military we need in the United States are those Americans who are sworn to uphold the Constitution and the rights of American citizens and who are working for us at our pleasure, serving US, under the auspices of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Blackwater's jack boot behavior toward the citizens of New Orleans, after Hurricane Katrina devastated that region, is proof of the fact that they have no place in our civil society.
I have also noted when I discuss these issues in this way there is no response... I am not surprised, Psychological Ac-cultured Conditioning leading to minimization, rationalization and DENIAL is POWERFUL...
Concomitantly, HOW COULD THIS BE TRUE?
simonhhh must be smoking some powerful Mary-Jane.....
These gunfights have happened often throughout Iraq. This isn't the first time Blackwater has been involved. They've learned a lot of tactics over there and received a lot more terrorist training than they would here in the US. It's becoming an issue now because we're going to need Blackwater back here when we attack Iran. The Germans had the SS to keep people in line. The Soviets had the Gestapo. The US intends to use Blackwater. As Shelock Holmes would say, this is elementary.
How could the Nazis be so cruel to kill Jews the way they did?
Alternatively, How could the American Military and Blackwater be so cruel to kill IRAQIS the way they do?
I think fundamentally the answer is that humans are basically savage in their nature and the veneer of civilization is thin. People can be raised and taught good values but if circumstances arise those values can be cast off very easily. One person, or a small group, doing something reprehensible can be made to be ashamed of it by the majority and that shame keeps people in line. But if *everybody* is doing it, then there is no shame in it, and order collapses.
The Nazis realized, as Americans are realizing today, that when Zionists gain a certain influence in society, that their net effect on that society will be bad. Take 9/11 for example. It never would have happened had the United States not been pimped out by the Right Wing Zionists for Israel [AIPAC]. Now, we see the IDF killing far more Arabs than the other way around, but Right Wing Zionists, master salesmen that they are, somehow have you convinced that they are the victims. The most despicable thing someone can do is be the aggressor and claim to be the victim, and that is precisely what the Right Wing Zionists do.
Hitler was personally against Jews because his father was a Jew and he detested his father for treating his mother so badly. [Bu$h hated Sadam for threatening to Kill his Father]
Germany was in bad shape and Hitler needed a scapegoat to blame every bad thing happening to Germany on. [Bu$hCo needed a scapegoat for his Administration poor domestic policies and Economic MIS-Management]. Jews made around 2% of the German population and most of them were much better off than the rest of Germany. Hitler used propaganda to encourage and increase hatred for the Jews. [Bu$hCo used propaganda to encourage and increase hatred for the Iraqi terrorists and overly exaggerated presence of Al Quaeda].
I understand these are simplified examples, but take away the German language, Culture Symbols etc and REPLACE it with American Icons, Pivotal Norms and Values and you have an AMERICAN 2007 VERSION of NAZI GERMANY...
What strikes me as so damned funny is the fact that the press is holding a bit of discussion on this topic now.
How is it that everyone missed this issue about 3 years ago? How is it that someone like me, untrained in the ways of politics and journalism saw through this before anyone else in the public sphere even made a small squeak? Why does it finally take an incident like this to actually make someone say stop?
Have fun when the mega-jails (already privatized) are built, the police force is privatized and these boys return home from their mercenary work in Iraq. Shall be fun indeed. Thank 'god' I will be on the other side of the pond.
Of course this seems reactionary, but each very small step leads to the same place. Each new law passed how little it is takes away your rights. Be careful. Every rise of a totalitarian system of government does not happen over the course of a long autumn evening but a bit in the spring, some in the summer and of course a bit in the winter.
By my count it has now about 26 years of the creep towards the goal and dream of the capitalists (industrialists is the word that they use in the Nazi German History books I studied, but never mind that) and our presently elected officials.
Sad day it is.
Do their Chevie Suburbans and Hum-Vees have Harley Davidson sound alike exhaust pipes, like the H/D Ford pickup? ___ They should.
HAZMAT, you sure did say it all when it comes to FEMA. You said it in one sentence too.
re simonhhh:
now i know why fema was unavailable to manage the emergency after katrina/rita. they were busy with their real jobs.