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The Shaming of America
Our writer delivers a searing dispatch after the WikiLeaks revelations that expose in detail the brutality of the war in Iraq - and the astonishing, disgraceful deceit of the US
As usual, the Arabs knew. They knew all about the mass torture, the promiscuous shooting of civilians, the outrageous use of air power against family homes, the vicious American and British mercenaries, the cemeteries of the innocent dead. All of Iraq knew. Because they were the victims.
Only we could pretend we did not know. Only we in the West could counter every claim, every allegation against the Americans or British with some worthy general - the ghastly US military spokesman Mark Kimmitt and the awful chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Peter Pace, come to mind - to ring-fence us with lies. Find a man who'd been tortured and you'd be told it was terrorist propaganda; discover a house full of children killed by an American air strike and that, too, would be terrorist propaganda, or "collateral damage", or a simple phrase: "We have nothing on that."
Of course, we all knew they always did have something. And yesterday's ocean of military memos proves it yet again. Al-Jazeera has gone to extraordinary lengths to track down the actual Iraqi families whose men and women are recorded as being wasted at US checkpoints - I've identified one because I reported it in 2004, the bullet-smashed car, the two dead journalists, even the name of the local US captain - and it was The Independent on Sunday that first alerted the world to the hordes of undisciplined gunmen being flown to Baghdad to protect diplomats and generals. These mercenaries, who murdered their way around the cities of Iraq, abused me when I told them I was writing about them way back in 2003.
It's always tempting to avoid a story by saying "nothing new". The "old story" idea is used by governments to dampen journalistic interest as it can be used by us to cover journalistic idleness. And it's true that reporters have seen some of this stuff before. The "evidence" of Iranian involvement in bomb-making in southern Iraq was farmed out to The New York Times's Michael Gordon by the Pentagon in February 2007. The raw material, which we can now read, is far more doubtful than the Pentagon-peddled version. Iranian military material was still lying around all over Iraq from the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war and most of the attacks on Americans were at that stage carried out by Sunni insurgents. The reports suggesting that Syria allowed insurgents to pass through their territory, by the way, are correct. I have spoken to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers whose sons made their way to Iraq from Lebanon via the Lebanese village of Majdal Aanjar and then via the northern Syrian city of Aleppo to attack the Americans.
But, written in bleak militarese as it may be, here is the evidence of America's shame. This is material that can be used by lawyers in courts. If 66,081 - I loved the "81" bit - is the highest American figure available for dead civilians, then the real civilian mortality score is infinitely higher since this records only those civilians the Americans knew of. Some of them were brought to the Baghdad mortuary in my presence, and it was the senior official there who told me that the Iraqi ministry of health had banned doctors from performing any post-mortems on dead civilians brought in by American troops. Now why should that be? Because some had been tortured to death by Iraqis working for the Americans? Did this hook up with the 1,300 independent US reports of torture in Iraqi police stations?
The Americans scored no better last time round. In Kuwait, US troops could hear Palestinians being tortured by Kuwaitis in police stations after the liberation of the city from Saddam Hussein's legions in 1991. A member of the Kuwaiti royal family was involved in the torture. US forces did not intervene. They just complained to the royal family. Soldiers are always being told not to intervene. After all, what was Lieutenant Avi Grabovsky of the Israeli army told when he reported to his officer in September 1982 that Israel's Phalangist allies had just murdered some women and children? "We know, it's not to our liking, and don't interfere," Grabovsky was told by his battalion commander. This was during the Sabra and Chatila refugee camp massacre.
The quotation comes from Israel's 1983 Kahan commission report - heaven knows what we could read if WikiLeaks got its hands on the barrels of military files in the Israeli defence ministry (or the Syrian version, for that matter). But, of course, back in those days, we didn't know how to use a computer, let alone how to write on it. And that, of course, is one of the important lessons of the whole WikiLeaks phenomenon.
Back in the First World War or the Second World War or Vietnam, you wrote your military reports on paper. They may have been typed in triplicate but you could number your copies, trace any spy and prevent the leaks. The Pentagon Papers was actually written on paper. You needed to find a mole to get them. But paper could always be destroyed, weeded, trashed, all copies destroyed. At the end of the 1914-18 war, for example, a British second lieutenant shot a Chinese man after Chinese workers had looted a French military train. The Chinese man had pulled a knife on the soldier. But during the 1930s, the British soldier's file was "weeded" three times and so no trace of the incident survives. A faint ghost of it remains only in a regimental war diary which records Chinese involvement in the looting of "French provision trains". The only reason I know of the killing is that my father was the British lieutenant and told me the story before he died. No WikiLeaks then.
But I do suspect this massive hoard of material from the Iraq war has serious implications for journalists as well as armies. What is the future of the Seymour Hershes and the old-style investigative journalism that The Sunday Times used to practice? What is the point of sending teams of reporters to examine war crimes and meet military "deep throats", if almost half a million secret military documents are going to float up in front of you on a screen?
We still haven't got to the bottom of the WikiLeaks story, and I rather suspect that there are more than just a few US soldiers involved in this latest revelation. Who knows if it doesn't go close to the top? In its investigations, for example, al-Jazeera found an extract from a run-of-the-mill Pentagon press conference in November 2005. Peter Pace, the uninspiring chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is briefing journalists on how soldiers should react to the cruel treatment of prisoners, pointing out proudly that an American soldier's duty is to intervene if he sees evidence of torture. Then the camera moves to the far more sinister figure of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who suddenly interrupts - almost in a mutter, and to Pace's consternation - "I don't think you mean they (American soldiers) have an obligation to physically stop it. It's to report it."
The significance of this remark - cryptically sadistic in its way - was lost on the journos, of course. But the secret Frago 242 memo now makes much more sense of the press conference. Presumably sent by General Ricardo Sanchez, this is the instruction that tells soldiers: "Provided the initial report confirms US forces were not involved in the detainee abuse, no further investigation will be conducted unless directed by HHQ [Higher Headquarters]." Abu Ghraib happened under Sanchez's watch in Iraq. It was also Sanchez, by the way, who couldn't explain to me at a press conference why his troops had killed Saddam's sons in a gun battle in Mosul rather than capture them.
So Sanchez's message, it seems, must have had Rumsfeld's imprimatur. And so General David Petraeus - widely loved by the US press corps - was presumably responsible for the dramatic increase in US air strikes over two years; 229 bombing attacks in Iraq in 2006, but 1,447 in 2007. Interestingly enough, US air strikes in Afghanistan have risen by 172 per cent since Petraeus took over there. Which makes it all the more astonishing that the Pentagon is now bleating that WikiLeaks may have blood on its hands. The Pentagon has been covered in blood since the dropping of the atom bomb on Hiroshima in 1945, and for an institution that ordered the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003 - wasn't that civilian death toll more than 66,000 by their own count, out of a total of 109,000 recorded? - to claim that WikiLeaks is culpable of homicide is preposterous.
The truth, of course, is that if this vast treasury of secret reports had proved that the body count was much lower than trumpeted by the press, that US soldiers never tolerated Iraqi police torture, rarely shot civilians at checkpoints and always brought killer mercenaries to account, US generals would be handing these files out to journalists free of charge on the steps of the Pentagon. They are furious not because secrecy has been breached, or because blood may be spilt, but because they have been caught out telling the lies we always knew they told.
US official documents detail extraordinary scale of wrongdoing
WikiLeaks yesterday released on its website some 391,832 US military messages documenting actions and reports in Iraq over the period 2004-2009. Here are the main points:
Prisoners abused, raped and murdered
Hundreds of incidents of abuse and torture of prisoners by Iraqi security services, up to and including rape and murder. Since these are itemized in US reports, American authorities now face accusations of failing to investigate them. UN leaders and campaigners are calling for an official investigation.
Civilian death toll cover-up
Coalition leaders have always said "we don't do death tolls", but the documents reveal many deaths were logged. Respected British group Iraq Body Count says that, after preliminary examination of a sample of the documents, there are an estimated 15,000 extra civilian deaths, raising their total to 122,000.
The shooting of men trying to surrender
In February 2007, an Apache helicopter killed two Iraqis, suspected of firing mortars, as they tried to surrender. A military lawyer is quoted as saying: "They cannot surrender to aircraft and are still valid targets."
Private security firm abuses
Britain's Bureau of Investigative Journalism says it found documents detailing new cases of alleged wrongful killings of civilians involving Blackwater, since renamed Xe Services. Despite this, Xe retains extensive US contracts in Afghanistan.
Al-Qa'ida's use of children and "mentally handicapped" for bombing
A teenage boy with Down's syndrome who killed six and injured 34 in a suicide attack in Diyala was said to be an example of an ongoing al-Qa'ida strategy to recruit those with learning difficulties. A doctor is alleged to have sold a list of female patients with learning difficulties to insurgents.
Hundreds of civilians killed at checkpoints
Out of the 832 deaths recorded at checkpoints in Iraq between 2004 and 2009, analysis by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism suggests 681 were civilians. Fifty families were shot at and 30 children killed. Only 120 insurgents were killed in checkpoint incidents.
Iranian influence
Reports detail US concerns that Iranian agents had trained, armed and directed militants in Iraq. In one document, the US military warns a militia commander believed to be behind the deaths of US troops and kidnapping of Iraqi officials was trained by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard.


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Show AllOne can only hope for the continued safety of Robert Fisk and others who share his commitments.
The US mainstream media joined the military industrial complex (MIC) during the 1991 Gulf War, turning it into the military industrial media complex (MIMC).
The US mainstream media has been embedded with the military ever since, promoting eternal occupations and wars that will assure an ever growing eternal revenue stream for the MIMC.
No austerity for the MIMC.
All of them are criminally insane and should be locked up.
The USG and the American population don't know healthy shame. The pretend christian false doctrines[babel] only know unhealthy shame, starting from the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve were depicted as being naked one moment and covered themselves with fig leaf's the next moment. Unhealthy shame, created by at least the phony christian preachers[harlots]. The phony christains have been creating unhealthy same ever since. The whole of christianity has been devoted to creating unhealthy shame and the "I'm not responsible, god made me do it and/or Satan made me do it but I'm not responsible".The topic of shame is never even mentioned and pride is invoked in its place. The Bible has nothing good to say about pride, except that it is false.The USG will never acknowledge shame in any context because it is not responsible, just ask it, USG, and their press secretary will tell us so.
"...turning it into the military industrial media complex (MIMC)." –(raydelcamino)
–Yes, just another step in the now inviolable and permanent interlocking directorate of the fascist state.
excellent point, ray. the gulf war was indeed the launching of the MIMC. to their eternal shame.
when journalists voluntarily become military propagandists, they are deserting their posts,
leaving the public in the dark. when the war crimes trials begin, they belong in the dock along with the perpetrators.
I suggest that the pretend christians[harlots],the Religulous, be included in the COMPLEX.MIMCR?
Amen to that, Brother H.!
I suggest the following video of Jim Page singing "Something About Us" go viral for starters...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuprDK_aNuk
If there was as god she would give the usa a good ass kicking..
I saw a rich person the other day saying that we could not afford to stop
global warming..and thought to myself perhaps this god of the Greeks is coming
back and is going to destroy the earth through greed allowing the humans to
destroy themselves with greed and the resulting destruction of the world as we
know it.
It is not only the Arabs who always knew. The western mind always knew.
Neither venerate the media nor blame the media. Moreover don't blame it on humanity because that is unfair to 'Other'. What is exposed by the leaks is in the order of a cultural and linguistic weakness or fault. All people in the West have known all of this all of the time. All the words for and against over all the years are indicative of this and none were backed by actions to stop it or rationalise it. Nothing could be more obvious and only a fanatic would deny this. Even those in support of the wars admit it in their ridiculous arguments that attack Wikileaks starting, 'Well, we always knew this----'.
Western people have to look into the mirror and, in answer to the question 'WHO?', say 'US!'
If we define Western as a culture of Individualism and Democracy and Profit and Trickle Down and Freedom and indeed as anything expressed in English we have come to return habitually to a conceit that somehow English has a connection with the root power of the universe; What's Right; Justice; Law. All of these are words for God, which is the monotheist understanding. It is the only word that can be seen as the orifice that gave forth this absurd and monstrous heap of crap. This is an all Western showdown and the Islamic, monotheist peoples, although they are victims, are inextricably wound into it. And yes. The Jews are also in the very middle of this.
The world's greatest problem is in a structure of thought, a Lense, a Faith, that lies embedded in that Trinity of three 'Great' monotheist religions: YHWH, Jesus and Allah: respectively Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The revolution must come and the reality is that it cannot come unless it is in the Western monotheist mind. English, through its media and prominence the central bearer of the shovel-fulls that made the universally known monstrous heap of stinking shit has become the shame. Western people have stood by and watched it happen in full understanding. There is nothing but further degradation in exclaiming 'What me?'
You're a few hundred years off. Capitalism has taken over as the pre-eminent world force.
And btw, capitalism is not synonomous with western culture. One is economics, the other, well, it's culture.
Capitalism and western culture are most certainly tied together. You're playing with semantics, not connecting the dots.
The British indiscriminately bombarded Basra for several weeks. Curious that even with the British atrocities in Northern Ireland, they didn't indiscriminately bombard neighborhoods in Belfast, and didn't hesitate for a moment in Iraq. Blatant racism and religious discrimination against Muslims.
"our" government and its corporate masters figured out long ago that no record keeping was the best way for deniability. you can go ahead and try to find some meaningful record kept by "your" government of any level. good luck.
nothing of societal importance can be proved against no statistics.
no pattern, no criminal intention can be proven without statistics.
the criminals have provided falsified and fabricated information, whenever convenient.
this time, luckily wikileaks was able to find some documents, though hardly a complete information, as much of the crimes were never reported or recorded.
Unaccountability and the pretend christian false doctrine "I'm not responsible, god told me to do it and/or Satan made me do it but I'm not responsible" are best facilitated with privatization along with corruption. All are more easily obscured by privatizing and this is the reason for privatization.
I would seriously propose that about twenty percent of USA forces would have learning disabilities.
We know the Iraq Body Count is much to low due to its unrealistic parameters, the Lancet is more realistic due to it including all who died as a result of the invasion and sanctions ( Madelin Albright admitted too 250,000 deaths [ mostly children } from sanctions alone.
Besides most of this already being known is that the whole war is criminal from top to bottom.
We already knew that occupants of cars that approached convoys were massacred as were pedestrians.
It´s important to get our facts straight and not use them for an alternative narrative on a separate (but of course, related) issue:
Albright did not dispute the 500,000 figure when questioned by Leslie Stahl, and this was sanctions after the first Gulf War. The interview was on 60 Minutes in May 1996. (A UN FAO report suggested a figure of 567,000.)
It is disingenuous to separate anything that involves attacking Iraq as if it were a different war( even if the agressor labels them as such, but who would follow the logic of war criminals?). The sanctions and earlier actions were part of weakening Iraq for the final invasion. To ignore 500,000 deaths when discussing total number of USA caused deaths in Iraq is horrifying.
To speak of Iraqi deaths and say 100,000 or so is to create, intentionally or not a false impression when the true total of USA caused deaths in Iraq is closer to 1 Million accepting the Lancet report and the Sanction totals.
I am not trying to misled because the grand total is in fact the true liabilty and should exposed as such whenever the topic arises.
Thankyou, I too think that it is important not to let it pass.
The "grand total" is vitally important, yes. But when you say "to ignore 500,000 deaths..." you reveal the real disingenuousness here: you didn´t even know the right number. There´s no need to beat me up or get defensive, my point was that in making a rhetoric point in matters like this, it´s better to be precise. Imagine if Blum´s "Killing Hope" was simply filled with rhetorical flourishes and righteous indignation, it would lack the credibility it so devastatingly has now. Or Chomsky´s work, for example. That´s all I was trying to say.
One can not be accused of a "rhetorical flourish" if one understates one's own case.
No one is agruing that I did not understate by 50%, only that 100,000 is one tenth the the Total liability of USA caused deaths in Iraq.
Surprise! Surprise!
As American military historian Gomer Pyle would put it.
Who could have guessed that the U.S. military was running up tens of thousands of civilian deaths at a jaw-dropping rate...and lying about it!
Certainly not the New York Times or NPR!
Well, it's old news now, and 'we' won that war -- Hurrah! --and besides those thugs at Wikileaks have blood on their hands!
Let's use American euphemisms to explain Iraq and Afghanistan:
"Wolfowitz and Perle"
Have we already forgotten their roles in our invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan?
These two scumbags, along with the rest of the neocon wrecking crew, should be on trial. But just try to imagine such a "narrative" being pursued in the MSM - it is to laugh.
Wiki leaks gets our admiration and gratitude but another group deserves it more.That is the soldiers who are giving out this information.They are taking deadly risk because their conscience tells them what has been done is morally repugnant.
Their number must be large.One soldier alone cannot do this.It must be a whole network if not an organization.
Time to cheer.
Disagree.
Those doing the "leaking" have given their word to protect sensitive information.
They intentionally compromised it.
Their word is worthless.
"Sensitive information - " Evidence of the rape of prisoners, shootings at check points, bombongs of the innocent on a mass scale and other war crimes. Not reporting these crimes can be seen as the bigger crime.
I agree with you, but there are procedures - report up the chain of command & if nothing happens, there's the Inspector General, whose job is to not only investigate wrong-doings, but to find out why leadership did NOTHING.
THIS is how you get rid of CRAP leadership who lack the integrity to do the job CORRECTLY!
IDIOCY: Spoken like a true storm trooper.
I notice that the usual right wing trolls have gone missing, and all of a sudden "your name" shows up to replace them. Interesting "coincidence," that. I presume you're one of the old pro-militarism/status quo retreads who has sought to poison the CD discourse with your loyal oaths to the death masters, AS IF that stance, identified with all that is corrupt constitutes honor, courage, or intelligence.
Please crawl back under your rock.
Ummm...
Something tells me you won't believe me, but...I'm me...this is my very first CD account, ever. I consult with no one.
But, your "you're not welcome" is an old cliche I've heard numerous times in the one week I've been here.
What cracks me up is I have YET to intentionally insult anyone (I think I did with my Miss Congeniality comparison the other day, but I really was good-natured-humored & I hate I insulted someone). Yet, look at what you had to say - you didn't discuss what I said, you just railed on what you honestly think of me.
I didn't ask you your opinion of me or my opinions - you don't know me & you have no right to pass judgment on me like you did.
I'm here to discuss, to listen, to query what I don't understand. I may not agree with much that you say. But, I DO listen. I DO think for myself & I'm not afraid of petty insults. You want to insult me, it just shows your inability to discuss.
ANTI: IF you are new to the forum, I certainly have a right to decimate your poorly developed arguments. The information that has framed your worldview is equivalent to the pabulum gotten either FROM the military and/or Fox News.
Your statements make that obvious. IF you are sincere and not here as a right wing troll, then I hope you will actually learn something. Consciousness, intelligence, and understanding are all capable of growth.
Discuss my opinions, yes.
Insult me, no.
Those that have given their word, have also sworn to protect from foreign and domestic enimies. Those soldiers that murdered, tortured or turned a blind eye to what was happening on traitors to the vows they took. Many soldiers did report all the way up the chain if command. Do you recall the recent news of soldiers killing and taking body parts? One soldier told his commander and then got beaten up. He told his father who told a congress critter who did nothing. The person who leaked these documents is a hero. He risked his life to uncover the war crimes the US is engaged in. From the illegal invasions to the out of control drone murders. Wake up!
I'm awake, but thank you for the offer of a cup of coffee - LOOOOVE coffee! :-)
The Inspector General is there to investigate wrong-doing in all levels. First, if ya don't make the call to the IG, they're under-employed. Plus, failure to report means crappy people who don't deserve promotions, get 'em.
Bullshit!! The entire establishment has done nothing but cover up and lie, right from the word go.
Lies about WMD. Terrorist bombings from the sky. 1.5 million Iraqis dead. 5 million refugees. Theft of Iraqi oil. All from a country that has offered us zero harm. How big do the crimes have to be before the Inspector General starts the prosecutions? Does he not know about these things?
Ya think that perhaps some of this isn't as much of a violation of the Law of Armed Conflict that everyone theorizes?
Ya think that perhaps not all the actions were as bad or negative or wrong as you think? That there's information you lack that would make all the difference?
OK, I am starting to believe that you are not a troll. A halfway decent troll doesnt necessarily believe their own propaganda. They know better than to put themselves in the position of defending the totally indefensible. I know you feel you know that we are in Iraq for altruistic reasons. But if we open this issue, the more your claims are examined, the more you lose.
Stick around. I hope you can learn. No doubt this issue will be opened and examined another time.
By the way, stop with the Sarah Palin folksiness such as "ya think" this and "ya think" that. You may think it to be charismatic, but as many of us here are not from the USA, it really does NOT work, and presents itself as arrogance instead. Almost nobody here is her fan anyway.
One other thing, is that your name also is much too arrogant. It proclaims that are the antidote to all of our idiocy, as if you know so much better than everyone else here, but since you are the most ignorant one posting on these blogs something a lot more humble would be more appropriate. Perhaps just remove the first five characters.
I can't help it. I say "ya" & "ya'll" because that's really how I talk. I've talked like this long before Sarah Palin came on the scene! I would rather have a normal convo with people than be all uppity-formal. But, I will work on it.
And, I chose Anti_Idiocy NOT as a statement against any person.
Idiocy is allowing differences of opinions to stop discussions. Idiocy is maintaining the "us" vs "them" mentality & approach to tough issues. Idiocy is attacking a person b/c you think their opinions lack cohesiveness (Maybe they just jumbled words or typed faster than their brain gave the words). Idiocy is passing judgment on a person's character vs discussion a topic.
No one insults you, for you insult yourself so throughly that why would a sentient being even bother?
to indulge the redundancy.
And your 'opinions?' Encountering them is similar to finding dog trailings, on a dirt road and pausing briefly to kick soil over them, out of respect for the next passerby.
Ahhh....Glad you decided to take a moment to kick some virtual dirt on me. So sorry ya didn't have a chance to do that, in person.
OK, let's discuss. You're suggestion to use the "chain of command" is a no winner. I have been in the service and have used the "chain of command" many times when there was an obviously better solution. One of my ideas was accepted, my shop chief took the $1K award. If you think that our current military will kill the golden goose for righteousness, it is my opinion that you are sorely out of touch.
1) Did you turn to the Inspector General? I realize some levels of command will ignore what they don't wanna hear, but the IG is pretty good about their investigations.
2) Your shop chief SUCKS!! Shouldn't be responsible for a shop, when they dunno how to find leadership with a dictionary opened to the right page.
I did what was required in the military. I sought out my chain of command. I went to the First Sergeant, then when not satisfied with his response, to the Squadron Commander. What did that get me? My trainees were removed from my supervision and then my security clearance was revoked, then false statements about me started flying from the upper chain and about 8 months after I started complaining, I was separated with an Honorable Discharge that had a caveat of "Under other circumstances" tagged onto it. At that point, I had had enough of their operation and walked away in disgust.
Siouxrose,
I noticed that too.
War criminals R us has just morphed again. They've got lots of our tax money to play with.
AGELBERT: Thanks for noticing. This medium favors chameleons. The latest offered 19 posts out of just over 100. Interesting percentage, that, for a supposed "newcomer."
Yep. That troll needs some Anti_verbal-diarrhea medicine.
I wish that thread hijacking was a flagable offense. The trolls would have to come up with new handles every week!
I'm also sure you have noticed where the trolls appear most frequently. It's a short list of subjects but the 'angle' is always about defending corrupt power structures in the government and military. They generally stay away from the touchy feely leftist topics that sensitive people care about UNLESS (like in the Haiti mess) the military needs defending.
Predictable behavior of goons for fascist government.
[Please crawl back under your rock.]
He'd have to crawl out from under it first. On another thread he claimed to be a teacher, then denied it a few hours later. He's an original liar and fool, of that I'm sure. He heard about us on freedolts - uh freerepublic - and decided to come on his white horse to save us all from the perils of our wayward beliefs.
He's like the wannabe samurai warrior of Japan circa 1930, who thinks that worshiping at the alter of militarism will bring a glorious age to his nation. It's very sad that he refuses to see the final end such worship always brings.
I never claimed to be a teacher - Please don't put words in my mouth.
Teaching is an amazingly noble profession & I have nothing but respect for those who are called to educating our youth. I'm not sure I could do it, to be honest...I think they have an incredible level of patience & I have great respect for them.
Please - there's no conspiracy theory, here...there's no conspiracy...I'm just me, voicing my opinion. That's it.
I do agree that there is no 'conspiracy', you are a unique form of right-wing god loving, mass murder justifying, authoritarian whack job. I do know what I read, even if you did discover the 'edit' button on your post.
If people mistake what you write for others, it's because you sound a bit like a human parrot. You repeat the same right wing bullship that's been piled up on other threads over the years that I've been reading CD. What you say, and how you've said it, has been said before and shot down before.
Ja I vas chust falloving ohrdahs! Ve must alvays obey and fallow ze proceedchas even if it ist a var kreim. Das ist vat I sed at Nueremberg aber...
(no offense to my German colleagues, just being silly)