The Media’s Collective Yawn Over Torture for War
Faced with what could be the biggest foreign policy bombshell since the Gulf of Tonkin lies cleared the way for Vietnam, the Washington-New York media establishment has chosen to do nothing. Much as D.C. reporters decided several years ago that they were no longer interested covering the Bush administration's duplicity in the run-up to the Iraq war (nor are the David Gregory's of the world interested in revisiting their profession's complicity with the former administration in that regard,) "the press," it seems, has decided to take a pass. And what they're passing on is truly stunning.
In short, evidence is quickly piling up suggesting that the torture of terrorism suspects, and even the alleged request from no less than the office of the vice president of the United States, to waterboard an Iraqi official, had less to do with protecting Americans from further attack after 9/11, than it had to do with bolstering a phony case for invading Iraq. Polls show a plurality of Americans will accept even torture - as sickening as that fact is to anyone who cares about civil liberties - if it's done to save innocent (read American) lives. But how would the American people square the idea of torturing people, not to save lives, but to produce false confessions in order to give a small group of ideologues - the neoconservatives - the war they desired. Most Americans have long since accepted that the Bush administration's case for invading Iraq was flawed, if not totally false. What we didn't know until recently, was that to sell that case, members of the Bush administration, possibly including Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld - maybe even the president of the United States, were willing to do things we're accustomed to ascribing to the North Koreans or Maoist Chinese: using torture not to get good information, but to produce false confessions, to justify an unnecessary war.
The evidence just keeps coming. On Thursday, Colin Powell deputy Lawrence Wilkerson, and former NBC News investigative producer Robert Windrem, offered stunning news. In Wilkerson's words:
... what I have learned is that as the administration authorized harsh interrogation in April and May of 2002--well before the Justice Department had rendered any legal opinion--its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at pre-empting another terrorist attack on the U.S. but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al-Qa'ida.And per Windrem's reporting in The Daily Beast:So furious was this effort that on one particular detainee, even when the interrogation team had reported to Cheney's office that their detainee "was compliant" (meaning the team recommended no more torture), the VP's office ordered them to continue the enhanced methods. The detainee had not revealed any al-Qa'ida-Baghdad contacts yet. This ceased only after Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, under waterboarding in Egypt, "revealed" such contacts. Of course later we learned that al-Libi revealed these contacts only to get the torture to stop.
At the end of April 2003, not long after the fall of Baghdad, U.S. forces captured an Iraqi who Bush White House officials suspected might provide information of a relationship between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's regime. Muhammed Khudayr al-Dulaymi was the head of the M-14 section of Mukhabarat, one of Saddam's secret police organizations. His responsibilities included chemical weapons and contacts with terrorist groups.Those weren't even the first stories on the subject. Last month, McClatchy correspondent Jonathan Landay reported, to precious little response from the rest of the mainstream press, that:Two senior U.S. intelligence officials at the time tell The Daily Beast that the suggestion to waterboard an Iraqi prisoner came from the Office of Vice President Cheney.
"To those who wanted or suspected a relationship, he would have been a guy who would know, so [White House officials] had particular interest," Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraqi Survey Group and the man in charge of interrogations of Iraqi officials, told me. So much so that the officials, according to Duelfer, inquired how the interrogation was proceeding.
A former senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the interrogation issue said that Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld demanded that the interrogators find evidence of al Qaida-Iraq collaboration.These are stunning facts - certainly more shocking, and of greater consequence, then finding out whether House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was told that waterboarding was for past, future or present use. And yet, a scan of the major headlines on mainstream news outlets reveals not a single headline about these stunning facts, including the fact that the false al-Libi confession now appears to have been the basis of the following testimony to the United Nations on February 6, 2003:"There were two reasons why these interrogations were so persistent, and why extreme methods were used," the former senior intelligence official said on condition of anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity.
"The main one is that everyone was worried about some kind of follow-up attack (after 9/11). But for most of 2002 and into 2003, Cheney and Rumsfeld, especially, were also demanding proof of the links between al Qaida and Iraq that (former Iraqi exile leader Ahmed) Chalabi and others had told them were there."
I can trace the story of a senior terrorist operative telling how Iraq provided training in these weapons to al Qaeda. Fortunately, this operative is now detained, and he has told his story. I will relate it to you now as he, himself, described it.
The testimony was from former Secretary of State Collin Powell. The detained operative, al-Libi, "told his story" after being beaten and locked in a coffin for 17 hours by "CIA surrogates" at a detention facility in Egypt.
You'd think that these would be top stories, worthy of serious consideration by a press corps that so shamefully let down the American people in the run-up to the Iraq invasion. The implications of these new revelations are stunning: a sitting president, vice president and defense secretary, selling a false case to the American people about an impending invasion of a country that had done no harm to us, and then using torture to produce false confessions in order to further the lie. Instead, the vaunted press corps is fixated - almost to the point of obsession - with Speaker Pelosi.
Even NBC News, the only outlet that has covered the story at all, has so far, relegated it to its "opinion/news" programs - "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" and "The Rachel Maddow Show," implying that the idea of the Bush administration torturing in order to justify war is nothing more than a liberal audience interest story, rather than a significant constitutional breach. The torture-Iraq link ceases to exist during MSNBC's daytime news programming. MSNBC.com, NBC's online arm, had zero headlines posted today, though they did put up a top story about whether inmates should be able to raise their babies in jail. Rival CNN has, to my viewing, ignored the story on air, and banished it to their international site online, while the Pelosi melodrama makes the domestic CNN.com front page. The New York Times had zero headlines on this subject on their website today, while Washingtonpost.com has six separate pieces on Pelosi, including an editorial, and not a single one on the torture-Iraq link. CBSnews.com takes a pass too, as does ABC News' online site, which instead boasts headlines about "John and Kate" and their marital dilemma. (I didn't bother to check Fox, since my interest was only in news outlets.)
And while the Washington Post today published an op-ed by neoconservative Charles Krauthammer justifying torture with the time-worn "ticking time bomb" meme, his paper's editors surely know by now that the Bush-Cheney torture program wasn't about a ticking time bomb. There's ample evidence of that. It's just that the Post, like her sisters in the print and broadcast media, are choosing to ignore, or to bury it.
Why would they do that? Perhaps members of the D.C. media establishment are loath to revisit at time period that wasn't exactly their shining moment. As New York Times White House correspondent Elizabeth Bumiller helpfully admitted back in 2004, during the run-up to the Iraq invasion:
'I think we were very deferential because ... it's live, it's very intense, it's frightening to stand up there. Think about it, you're standing up on prime-time live TV asking the president of the United States a question when the country's about to go to war. There was a very serious, somber tone that evening, and no one wanted to get into an argument with the president at this very serious time.'"And argue they did not. As Dan Rather observed during a speech at the National Conference of Media Reform last summer:
"In the wake of 9/11 and in the run-up to Iraq, . . . news organizations made a decision -- consciously or unconsciously, but unquestionably in a climate of fear -- to accept the overall narrative frame given them by the White House, a narrative that went like this: Saddam Hussein, brutal dictator, harbored weapons of mass destruction and, because of his supposed links to al Qaeda, this could not be tolerated in a post-9/11 world.David Sirota, writing in the Huffington Post, lamented in 2005 that the "gang of 500" - the main body of White House reporterdom - lost interest in covering the Iraq war because it was "hard" and besides, the American people didn't care about Iraq anymore. One Sirota observation seems especially relevant today:
...the American public keenly recognizes that many major media today are simply no longer interested in reporting on anything that might fundamentally challenge the Establishment power structure. For when the media seems more interested in covering what's on the President's Ipod and what the President's dancing habits are than they are the death/maiming of American soldiers in Iraq, well, we've got a serious problem.No truer words...
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Show AllThis continues excerpting from the interview with Ray McGovern excerpted in my other post (url just below) in this same CD page. The end of the already excerpted text ends with Condoleezza Rice having said that the notorious aluminum tubes were "for uranium-enrichment centrifuges" (i.e., WMD, nuclear).
(url broken over two lines)
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/16-4
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RM then explained that nuclear scientists from the U.S. Dept of Energy found and stated that the centrifuges couldn't be used for uranium enrichment and were for making "conventional rockets". And this, he says, led to the Bush admin.'s use of the lie about Saddam getting uranium from Niger, which is the point I continue excerpting from.
QUOTE:
Well, somebody said, "How about those reports earlier this year that Iraq was trying to get Uranuim from Niger? ..." But of course if George Tenet were there, he would have said, "... they're forgeries, ...." So the question became, "How long would it take for someone to find out ...?" ... The next question was, "When do we have to show people this stuff?" The answer was that the IAEA ..., but we can probably put them off for three or four months.
So there it was. "What's the problem? We'll take these reports, we'll use them to brief Congress and to raise the specter of a mushroom cloud. You'll recall that the President on the 7th of October said, "Our smoking gun could come in the form of a mushroom cloud." Condoleezza Rice said exactly the same thing the next day. Victoria Clarke said exactly the same thing on the 9th of October, and of course the vote came on the 11th of October.
... Take Henry Waxman's word for it. Waxman has written the President a very, very bitter letter dated the 17th of March in which he says, "Mr. President, I was lied to. I was lied to. I was briefed on a forgery, and on the strength of that I voted for war. Tell me how this kind of thing could happen?" That was March 17. He hasn't received a response from the White House yet.
...
PITT: We were talking a little while ago about Andy Card and marketing wars in August, and you stated that the decision to make war in Iraq was made in the summer of 2002. General Wesley Clark appeared on a Sunday talk show with Tim Russert on June 15, and Clark surprisingly mentioned that he was called at his home by the White House on September 11 and told to make the connection between those terrorist attacks and Saddam Hussein. He was told to do this on the day of the attacks, told to say that this was state-sponsored terrorism and there must be a connection. What do you make of that?
McG: ... he said, "Sure, I'll say that. Where's the evidence?" ... When he found out there was no evidence, he didn't say what they wanted him to say.
Contrast that with Colin Powell, who first and foremost is a good soldier. But when he sees the evidence, and knows it smells, he will salute the President and brief him anyway, as he did on the 5th of February.
...
PITT: Do you think Powell was aware that the British intelligence dossier he used on February 5 before the UN, ..., was plagiarized from a graduate student ... circa 1991?
McG: No, I think he was unaware of that. ... Back in January, Colin Powell invited all the NATO countries .... ... one of the ambassadors asked him what the evidence was like on Iraq. Powell said he didn't know, .... That was January.
Small wonder that Powell now brags of having had to spend four days in early February ... selecting what he should say on the 5th. ...
...
McG: Yes. And most of the evidence was being supplied by the Vice President's office, in the person of Scooter Libby, and ... Rumsfeld along with Wolfowitz. ...
...
The prospect of the Secretary of State and Condoleezza Rice and Cheney convening in CIA headquarters to sit around a table and help with the analysis...give me a break! You don't have policy-makers at the table when you're doing analysis. That's antithetical .... ...
...
McG: The most important and clear-cut scandal, of course, has to do with the forgery of those Niger nuclear documents that were used as proof. The very cold calculation was that Congress could be deceived, we could have our war, we could win it, and then no one would care .... ...
I think the real difference is that no one knew, or very few people knew, before the war .... Now they know. ...
...
So I do think that there is some hope now that the truth will come out. It won't come out through the Congressional committees. That's really a joke, a sick joke.
...
McG: My primary attention is on the forgery of the Niger documents that supposedly proved Iraq was developing a nuclear program. ... It's demonstrable that senior officials ..., including the Vice President, knew that it was a forgery in March of last year. It was used anyway .... ...
...
... this needs to be investigated. We know that it was Dick Cheney who sent the former US ambassador to Niger to investigate. We know he was told in early March of last year that the documents were forgeries. ...
Cheney knew, and Cheney was way out in front of everybody, starting on the 26th of August, talking about Iraq seeking nuclear weapons. As recently as the 16th of March, three days before the war, he was again at it. ...
One other thing ... the anomaly that President Bush has succeeded Saddam Hussein in the role of preventing UN inspectors from coming into Iraq. He has not even been asked why.
There is no conceivable reason .... ...
...
END QUOTE/EXCERPT
Wikipedia has more on the whole forgery topic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen_words
"maxpayne May 17th, 2009 12:24 am
Maybe we're doing all this for oil when we could grow our own fuel for oil without petroleum 100%. If only progressives would give new technologies such as carbon negative ..."
It's certainly for oil, or rather energy resources, so oil and natural gas, but also for [full spectrum dominance], which is the title for the Youtube page for a video presentation by Pepe Escobar for TheRealNews(.com) and which is around 9 minutes, if recalling correctly; and it's definitely to be recommended.
As for alternative power sources, I haven't read his essays on "free energy" or something like that, about apparently very recommendable ways of generating energy or clean energy and for low cost, but Wade Frazier has some essays on this at his website, www.ahealedplanet.net .
You should check out the video called, "Who Killed the Electric Car?", which is about electric cars that had been (I believe) produced in the USA, believing to recall that some U.S. auto-maker(s) had produced some of these and, according to the video, they ran very, very well; large vehicles like a lot of Americans are accustomed to, comparable speed capabilities, little time for charging or re-charging the batteries, if I also understood that part correctly. Etcetera.
I saw part of the 2006 documentary on tv not long ago and was definitely impressed. It showed live footage of electric motor vehicles, cars and what looked like SUV's, speeding along on U.S. highways, etcetera. So I did some Web searches to try to find video clips or full copies of the video for free to be able to re-view these in the future and did find some links.
I believe both of the following two websites provide a full copy, but if not, then topdoc... says the copy it links to and/or has embedded is a full copy.
www.moviesfoundonline.com
topdocumentaryfilms.com
There's a copy at Google, but I think it's also the one that topdoc... has embedded. And there's also a copy, though perhaps not full, in clips that user truthworld provides at Youtube in 10 parts or clips.
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223
There isn't a video embedded or linked in the following, but it seems like a decent or better review which provides pros vs cons on or about the documentary.
"Profit over the environment
Who Killed the Electric Car?, written and directed by Chris Paine",
by Jay Stock, Nov 25 2006
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/nov2006/ecar-n25.shtml
QUOTE/EXCERPT:
Who Killed the Electric Car?, a film written and directed by Chris Paine, was shown in some theatres earlier this year and was released on video November 14. The following review was submitted by a reader of the World Socialist Web Site.
Chris Paine has crafted a provocative exposé of General Motors’ cancellation of its electric vehicle program in 2004. Filmed in the style of a murder mystery, the documentary investigates the death of the EV1, an electric vehicle developed by GM in the 1990s in response to the visionary, but ill-fated, zero-emission vehicle (ZEV) mandate of the California Air Resources Board (CARB).
At its essence, Who Killed the Electric Car? is a case study in how the profit system has interfered with material human progress—with the rational use of technology to stem global warming, fight air pollution, and adopt sustainable sources of energy. The film successfully reveals how, in collusion with the auto industry and oil companies, the federal government and the CARB betrayed the long-term interests of the American people in order to cater to the short-term profitability of big corporations.
END QUOTE
Based on this, I doubt that the U.S. government is ready to "betray" its OIL- and auto-industry pals today; or next year, the year after, .... There's just too much MONEY to be made with these existing or long-existing industries, they (silently, secretly) rule, i.e., decide.
Back in the 1960's they also ruled against allowing highly-efficient gasoline engine vehicles to continue to exist after (I believe) Ford tested a modification and released some of the cars for the public market; and ... not much later recalled all of these vehicles and removed the modification, returning the cars back to their guzzling condition. The cars were otherwise capable of providing 60-65 mpg!
Teaching how to make such modifications is not allowed in Canadian schools, where teachers can get "canned" for teaching this to their students, if they get caught teaching it. Some nevertheless did teach this in "extra-curricular" manner and simply told their students to not spread the word around, for it was formally banned to teach how to make the safe modification(s).
My cousin, who learned this and told me about this around 1976, is terrified to be asked about it, but given that he knows that he told me about learning this decades ago, I can, when I see him, get it from him again; although need to do this gently, else he clams up (after fearfully saying to not talk about this) and clearly shows fear; [really] fear. A local inventor also won't talk about it, like he is also afraid.
Seems it's a "touchy" subject to talk about; like people fear for their lives if they get caught telling what they concretely know about this. Well, I guess such fears may have some basis in reality.
Hmmmm. Something's rotten in ....
The article says the following:
QUOTE:
... Last month, McClatchy correspondent Jonathan Landay reported, to precious little response from the rest of the mainstream press, that:
...
"The main one is that everyone was worried about some kind of follow-up attack (after 9/11). But for most of 2002 and into 2003, Cheney and Rumsfeld, especially, were also demanding proof of the links between al Qaida and Iraq that (former Iraqi exile leader Ahmed) Chalabi and others had told them were there."
END QUOTE
I DON'T know where McClatchy got that information about Chalabi from, so I did some Web searches in order to try to find articles describing what Chalabi "contributed" to the "war effort" during the run-up phase to the war on Iraq.
The following article refers to this WMD myth part without mentioning anything about Chalabi linking Saddam Hussein to Al Qa'ida.
"Who is Ahmed Chalabi?", by Michel Chossudovsky, May 21, 2004
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO405D.html
QUOTE:
According to press reports, Chalabi was the target of a US government investigation "into whether he betrayed American intelligence secrets to foreign governments, including Iran."
He is also accused of hiding the records of the oil for food program and for having "exaggerated" the threat of weapons of mass destruction, in intelligence transmitted to the Coalition in the months leading up to the war. In other words, he is said to have tricked US intelligence into believing there were WMDs. Where he got this intelligence is not mentioned. ...
END QUOTE
The following piece is similar; no mention of Al Qa'ida.
"The rise and fall of Ahmed Chalabi
Once the darling of the Pentagon, the former Iraqi 'president-in-waiting' has now fallen out of favour with the US administration, writes Simon Jeffery",
Aug. 9, 2004
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/aug/09/iraq.simonjeffery
The following article, which is rather excellent for historical review and for analysis today, btw, mentions Chalabi, Iraqi WMD (the then mythical ones), and Al Qaeda; although not "all in one breath", the references not being "tied" together, say.
"The New York Times' role in promoting war on Iraq",
by Antony Loewenstein, March 23, 2004
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/23/1079939624187.html
I'll quote a little from this above article, and this is from the above piece quoted from an interview at truthout.org between William Rivers Pitt and Ray McGovern. (edited original post on May 17)
QUOTE:
With journalists increasingly desperate for a scoop and the page one lead, government officials offering �exclusive� material would often be too hard to resist. Ray McGovern was a CIA analyst for 27 years, working under seven US Presidents. In an interview on June 26, 2003 McGovern revealed the way in which the Bush administration used the major media outlets to push their case for war:
. "They [the Bush administration] looked around after Labor Day [2002] and said, 'OK, if we�re going to have this war, we really need to persuade Congress to vote for it. How are we going to do that? Well, let�s do the al Qaeda-Iraq connection. That�s the traumatic one. 9/11 is still a traumatic thing for most Americans. Let�s do that.'
"But then they said, 'Oh damn, those folks at CIA don�t buy that, they say there�s no evidence, and we can�t bring them around. We�ve tried every which way and they won�t relent. That won�t work, because if we try that, Congress is going to have these CIA wimps come down, and the next day they�ll undercut us. How about these chemical and biological weapons? We know they don�t have any nuclear weapons, so how about the chemical and biological stuff? Well, damn. We have these other wimps at the Defense Intelligence Agency, and dammit, they won�t come around either. They say there�s no reliable evidence of that, so if we go up to Congress with that, the next day they�ll call the DIA folks in, and the DIA folks will undercut us.'
So they said, 'What have we got? We�ve got those aluminum tubes!' The aluminum tubes, you will remember, were something that came out in late September, the 24th of September. The British and we front-paged it [ed: Judith Miller wrote the Times story]. These were aluminum tubes that were said by Condoleeza Rice as soon as the report came out to be only suitable for use in a nuclear application. This is hardware that they had the dimensions of. So they got that report, and the British played it up, and we played it up. It was front page in the New York Times. Condoleeza Rice said, 'Ah ha! These aluminum tubes are suitable only for uranium-enrichment centrifuges.'
END QUOTE
The truthout.org link, of June 26, 2003, for the above excerpt of an interview between William Rivers Pitt and Ray McGovern is no longer valid, but the following is a copy I could find.
http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/a-list/2003-July/045344.html
A very good reference to the above interview with Ray McGovern is the following page.
(url broken over two lines in order to fit, fully)
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/
070103_beyond_bush_1.html
The following page also mentions Chalabi, Iraqi WMD and Al-Qaeda. It's an index with plenty of text and links to resource articles.
"Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq
Ahmed Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress",
(url broken over 3 lines in order to fit, fully)
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?
specific_cases_and_issues=chalabi&timeline=
complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq
People may be very interested in reading or re-reading the following important and excellent article which provides a lot of information on Iraqi WMD and UN weapons inspections during the years that Scott Ritter worked as weapons inspector and/or chief of the inspections in Iraq; plus information regarding Ahmed Chalabi.
"Dinner With Ahmed", by Scott Ritter, Mar 18 2008
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/18/7738
What about the following two articles, which don't mention anything about Chalabi, but which are certainly relevant for this CD page's topic. The two are short enough, while the first is shorter, a quick list of quotes and names.
"Weapons of Mass Destruction:
Who Said What When",
CounterPunch Wire, May 29 2003
http://www.counterpunch.org/wmd05292003.html
People should appreciate the following piece.
"Cheney Chicanery", by Ray McGovern, Jul 29 2003
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0729-08.htm
We have to look into the mirror and face the hideous truth: we are not at all the nation we claim to be. We account for half of the entire world's military spending, produce and sell half of its weapons, kill more innocent people than any other nation, have invaded or attacked more countries than any other nation, and shamelessly and remorselessly commit war crimes.
At one and the same time we regularly proclaim our moral superiority, point accusing fingers at others' human rights records, and are the most pious Christian nation on earth.
This is nothing new to us; our ancestors committed genocide to gain the continent, and we've engaged in wars of aggression intermittently ever since.
Maybe we're doing all this for oil when we could grow our own fuel for oil without petroleum 100%. If only progressives would give new technologies such as carbon negative bug-waste-to-light-sweet-crude, carbon neutral algae, and even low carbon hemp a chance would we not be fighting these wars for oil.
"manning120 May 16th, 2009 10:07 pm
It's immature to rail against the MSM for getting priorities wrong (Pelosi at the fore, prosecutions of torturers on the back burner) and missing key facts (WMD claims were based on "information" obtained by torturers with an agenda of justifying invasion of Iraq)."
I DON'T know where you got that "information" from, for the WMD myth was not from victims of torture; apparently not anyway. These victims were used, however, to try to come up with false confessions about Saddam being associated with Al Qa'ida and, "ideally", including in the 9-11 attacks in the USA, but these victims, including one waterboarded [six] times, never provided this confession; also apparently not, anyway.
Recommended is the antiwar.com article linked in my prior post.
I stand corrected.
It's immature to rail against the MSM for getting priorities wrong (Pelosi at the fore, prosecutions of torturers on the back burner) and missing key facts (WMD claims were based on "information" obtained by torturers with an agenda of justifying invasion of Iraq). What strikes me about such critiques is that they usually state all the things the MSM hasn't brought up or reported on. But how do the critics find out about these things? The information is out there. You have to look for it elsewhere than in the MSM, or perhaps in the back pages (like Frank Rich columns).
Pointing out that important things haven't been discussed or recognized by the MSM has its place. I think the article does that superbly. But it's not something to lose sleep over.
Nice article Joy-Ann. It takes guts to write the truth in south florida.
The jig is up, this story can be ignored by main stream media, but internet news is king.
Its only a matter of days before the real patriots of America start damanding full accountability.
Lies, American military deaths and injuries , torture ,occupation and 600000 Iraq deaths, all to fight a threat that may not have exisited.
Throw in 9/11 as an inside job , and cover up. Well , we need to build some new jails, and life imprisonment is in order.
"Torture’s Role in the Rush to War With Iraq",
by Gordon Prather, antiwar.com, May 16, 2009
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m54312
QUOTE/EXCERPT:
You’ve probably heard that Bush-Cheney and Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz had already developed plans to invade and occupy Iraq, months before the Saudi terrorists attacked the Pentagon and brought down the World Trade Center Twin Towers. These conspirators immediately set out to justify their impending war of aggression on your fear that Islamic terrorists might well strike again, this time with "weapons of mass destruction."
War of aggression?
But didn’t Congress authorize Bush to use "military force" against Iraq in October 2002?
Well, no, and thereby hangs a tale.
END QUOTE
Everyone interested about the topic of the article by Joy-Ann Reid really needs to read the whole of this above article. It reminds readers of very important history regarding what Congress authorised and didn't in Oct. 2002; as well as on what terms the Bush-Cheney administration really claimed to justify the war in the end, when making the last decision to war on Iraq. The latter definitely was not compliant with Congress's requirements, which it attached to its authorisation of Oct. 2002. It was not an authorisation to war, for recourse to war was, as I've repeated a number of times here at CD over the past day or two, [conditional]. The above article explains what the conditions were, and more.
It's an excellent overview or summary of the whole series of war-decision or making process, starting with April 2002 right up through to the launching on March 18 or 20, 2003. The information includes the Bush-Cheney admin. effort to try to obtain false confessions using torture and as we all know by now, for associating Saddam Hussein with Al Qa'ida and the 9-11 attacks or potential future terrorist attacks on the USA; as well as this having been a major failure; including with one of these torture victims being waterboarded [six] times and still not providing the "desired" false confession. As I understand it, none of those apparently many victims of torture provided the "desired" confession. And the article also includes the WMD "smoking gun" goal of the Bush admin. and that they were apparently surprised when Saddam complied with the UN weapons inspections. Etcetera.
The article describes the whole series of events.
Was or is this really a war?
I disagree with everyone who claims that this has not been a war; disagreeing with the people who claim this on the sole basis that it was not really authorised by Congress and that only it has the Constitutional authority to declare that the U.S. is at war or going to war. While that's obviously true in terms of U.S. law, it is not the sole decider of when war exists (or not) when committed by the U.S., for others, the ones the U.S. launches its war machine upon, definitely also have a [right] to say if it's war (or not) that is launched upon them. Not only the bully gets to declare if his or her acts are bullying, or not; the bullied also has the right to his or her view about this! Formalities, say, must never be allowed to override human rights, which must always be treated with or as top priority!
Legally, however, Congress did not authorise this war, which makes the Bush-Cheney admin. only more criminal than it would have been if Congress had outright authorised recourse to war without any attached conditions. In the latter case, both the presidential admin. and Congress would be equally hellbent criminal. I posted this years ago, but the above article provides a little more information than I had used and, I believe, than I had been aware of; while nonetheless related, it's still a little more.
Congress, however, should not have given the authorisation with its attached conditions; it should have known better than to give any authorisation at all. It was acting like a rogue political body when it signed the authorisation even with the required conditions to be met before war could be resorted to. People at this level of government, all the more-so given that the U.S. is military superpower, should damn well know that the U.S.A.'s foreign policy history has been rogue as hell, [never] good; never significantly (enough) good anyway. Whenever there was any real good in U.S. foreign policy it was always relatively insignificant compared to overall U.S. foreign policy.
Congress should have simply told the Bush-Cheney admin. to f*ck off, "to shape up or ship out", etcetera. But at least it attached conditions that the Bush-Cheney admin. was unable to meet.
And the Obama admin. therefore continues on the same criminal, rogue path, with clearly no intentions of altering course; yet Dem. Party and Obama admin. supporters still go along with all of this hell that they, supporters anyway, condemned when it was the Bush admin. and Repub. Party (with strong complicity from the Dem. Party) doing this!
Why ask why? Those of us who have been teaching about the corporatocracy that is Amerika have said for 77 years that the press is owned by the corporations and to expect this fascist nexus to do anything less is to be naive to a withering fault.
The powers that be (which includes the press as its PR arm) will not be writing up the truth anytime soon unless it will enrich them.
Lord people. Get a clue.
OK, what about this, then? You are a journalism grad and finally by scraping and digging you get a position on the White House Press Corps. You're making over $150,000 per year, wear great clothes and feel pretty good about yourself. What me worry? You think I'm gonna' rock the boat and ask some crazy questions that'll get me PNG'd out of the corps? Get serious.(PNG=persona non grata)
I think Richie Havens said that young men grow older every day.
Some have character, some don't
The greatest propaganda machine ever know to man is the republican owned controlled and sponsored MSM in the United States of America. And because the republican mouthpieces don’t scream at the audience like the americanhatenuts on fox and talkradio, they are called liberal. If it were not so sad for all the murders, rapes, and tortures they cover up, it would be hilarious.
The only act I can think about that is more un-American than torture is being responsible for ordering, others to torture for war profiteering motives. That is the story a “free press” would be pursuing. But given the republican owned controlled and sponsored propaganda machine called the “free press” in the United States of America. Forget it.
Great article!
Truth is, the MSM and most of the american "citizenry" were fairly well won over when they swallowed, hook, line & sinker, the official story about the events of 11 September, as admonished by Dubya at the UN 2 months later:
LET US NEVER TOLERATE OUTRAGEOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIES CONCERNING THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11; MALICIOUS LIES THAT ATTEMPT TO SHIFT THE BLAME AWAY FROM THE TERRORISTS, THEMSELVES, AWAY FROM THE GUILTY.
Comment feature is missing on the Zinn article, so I'm placing mine here:
Zinn says: "It was good that we were cheerleaders while he was running for office,"
I say: It wasn't, and I wasn't one.
Zinn also says that Obama is a very smart fellow, and he thinks Obama can be swayed to do the right thing. I agree with the former but disagree with the latter. Obama is a con man, liar and trickster of very refined caliber. No doubt someone will come out with a book explaining the man's psychology of why he feels so motivated to deceive and make life end and/or miserable for so many people and why he wants to steal trillions from us all and destroy the planet.
What is clear is that virtually every Common Dreams reader is growing angrier with Obama every day. That anger is seeping into the rest of the country and will spill out throughout the rest of the world where such high hopes are still held for him.
It is my prediction that by the end of his term he will be hated worse than Bush. Don't count on him not using every trick in the book to steal the election for a second term, even if by some miracle the "dumbed-down" American people (as travel guru Rick Steves calls us) come to believe that a third party candidate might actually be "electable."
Last, but not least: What a total scumbag Obama is!!!
- Yeah, that's exactly right. Despite his long & admirable service to the cause, the Zinn article published on CD today is lousy, & suggests Howard is losing his touch. In the article, he sounds like a common liberal, not like someone who has come to analytical grips with the disgusting deficiencies of liberalism.
For a liberal, the main issue is simply whether the president seems like a "nice man." If he's a "nice man," he supposedly can be prevailed upon by "the people" to do the right thing.
This is a thoroughly false conception, as Zinn himself knows (or once knew). The president doesn't do what he does because of his personality or his "lovely family." He is selected by what is essentially a corporate-military system, & can only follow the dictates of that system. If he tries to disobey or challenge the dictates of that system, the system will promptly bring him down -- either by shooting him (JFK) or destabilizing his public image (Eliot Spitzer).
Furthermore, the idea that the president, if he's a "nice man," can be prevailed upon by the people to do the right thing -- this is utter horseshit. Too many weakling liberals are parroting the little anecdote about FDR supposedly saying, "OK, I agree with you -- now make me do it." This is all bullshit. The president of a corporate-military system CANNOT be prevailed upon to "change his mindset" by the people. The president of such a system is simply a frontman for that system. He cannot possibly get elected in the first place without convincing the dominant interests that he will reliably defend their interests. And once in office, he has no choice except to carry out the dictates of the system, under threat of being removed if he doesn't obey.
It is not in the interests of the corporate-military system to permit government leaders to "listen to the people," so we may be absolutely certain that any leader chosen by this system is not going to produce a leader who really listens. From the system's point of view, the best possible government figurehead is someone like Obama -- who on the one hand does a clever theatrical imitation of a potential "tribune of the people," but who in reality is utterly subservient to the real power-holders.
Everyone go easy on Howard. He's done more for this country than anyone of us will do in our lifetimes. That said, no free passes. Zinn, bless his heart, still believes that the 60s model of social change works. It doesn't, and most of the gains from that brief shining era have long since been rolled back. The reason? All of the institutional power arrangements remained largely undisturbed. They were rattled, sure, but only for a while. They recovered, funded their thinktanks and media outlets, and began the brutal nightmare of rewriting history to hook the ignorant and mean-spirited into believing that the people who most deserved liberation in the US were now the enemies of ordinary whites.
When a house is rotten to it's foundation, you cannot rebuild it soundly simply by changing out the windows and giving it a new paint job. You have to replace it all, most importantly, the foundation. And in my opinion, that's where we're at.
As long as I can enjoy watching the News on Fox and MSNBC and people doing their silly party wars on those channels and other kool entertainment such as Desperate Housewives, Army Wives, sports shows such as football and nascar, and even cartoons such as Garfield and Friends, Life with Louie, Powerpuff Girls, Darkwing Duck, Looney Tunes, Tiny Tunes, Chip n Dale's Rescue Rangers, Swat Cats, Two Stupid Dogs, etc ..., and watching cool chicks all dressed up cute and getting themselves wet and messy, who the hell am I or we for that matter to worry about torture ? We're gonna elect dumb politicians who'll keep us dumb but happy. Besides, watching torture all the time and crying over it is boring when you have no control over it anyway other than hoping that your elected officials will do anything to stop it. Life will be even better when Libertarians are elected to power and the power and freedom go to more people here in the states and around the world. Viva LIBERTARIANS ! SMALLER GOVERNMENT ! LOWER TAXES ! MORE FREEDOM ! www.lp.org
yay, freedom to be further enslaved by the ruling kleptocracy. How about economic democracy? Freedom means nothing unless we can have a say in how we live. One must also ask freedom for whom?
Oh boy. How deluded you really are ! I've come across plenty of morons just like you. You're an example of what's wrong with our citizenry. All you can do is enjoy living in blissful ignorance no matter what. Big Media is counting on idiots like you and you're doing a hell of a job allowing your stupidity to empower them !
hint: I think laffing boy is attempting satire.
Big Media in this country serves the Big Corporations, powerful special interst groups, and the State. An unholy combination of propaganda machine and unofficial ministry of popular culture, Big Media has become the chief enemy of the citizen's right to know and his/her entirely legitimate need for information on which to base sound decisions regarding the serious and complex issues that confront Americans in these difficult and dangerous times. Big Media does not inform. It disinforms, distracts, and manipulates the masses in order to promote the unfair and enslaving practies of unjust minorities who have contrived to entrench themselves behind political and financial power the more effectively to oppress and exploit others.
But we're enjoying it so what's to stop them? With Big Media, I can't enjoy eating and drinking with pleasure. We gotta have kool shit to enjoy on the TV and Internet so that we can enjoy our dinners. Pizza Hut wouldn't be doing so well without Big Media. Besides, I love to see the young chicks dressed up so sexily. All I need is a sexy wife to dump all the work on her so I can enjoy more eating, sleeping, and TV/Internet watching when I'm back from work. LOL !
Dude, you're completely messed up and need some major repair in your brain. No woman would ever bother marrying a dirty goose such as you unless she were completely dumb or something.
Sioux Rose
CMICHAEL: Right on! I posted before reading your post. We see the same naked truths hidden from plain sight by efforts on the part of the "perception-masters."
I agree that if someone was killed or maimed during torture, it should br investigated and the people who commited/ordered it prosecuted. Otherwise, the best thing is to make sure it does not happpen again and not be obsessed with things like punishment or pictures etc.
The Bush administration did worse things than torture prisoners. There is good information to sggest that they had assassination squads going around the world murdering people on White House orders. This is far worse than any waterboarding. It needs to be investigated thoroughly. Time spent on the details of torture, lets the really serious crimes were people have actually been killed go undiscovered and unpunished
"Why would they do that? Perhaps members of the D.C. media establishment are loath to revisit at time period that wasn't exactly their shining moment."
That's a good point. I would like to add that the media always wants to make everything into a Democrats vs. Republicans issue in which both sides are equally valid, regardless of the facts involved.
Sioux Rose
VA GREEN: As to "why do they do it?" the very question is naive. From the moment all the soldiers were embedded onto the networks to make the case FOR war, to the absence of voices that spoke of diplomacy or any alternative other than the route of "force first," it became clear that the media IS the propaganda agent of the MIC and its corporate cousins. And since there are only 6 major media, two of which have direct ties to the MIC, why are we acting surprised?
When cable TV was deregulated, we were told there would be more competition and prices would go down. When the FCC deregulated media access, the same arguments were used. In point of fact, more control has been exerted by fewer dominant powers, and there has been an abject loss of diversified content.
When all four estates (presss/media counting as # 4) are controlled by pro-military corporatists, any premise of an informed public/citizenry or responsive democracy is negated, the means to that ends have been grossly disabled. This IS the collapse... what springs from the ashes is yet to be seen, and all of us factor into that Genesis in our own unique, if small, ways.
By the way, is the discussion board open on the ZINN piece above?
But we the people are enjoying the media no matter how trashy it really is. As for wars, well, elect Libertarians and foreign intervention will be gone. Power and freedom to the people all the way. www.lp.org
are you on crack? i like the spirit of libertarians, but as ideologies go, it's a non starter. To begin with, the individual freedom you want will extend once more to the economic sphere with the usual suspects rounding up as much private power as tehy can. Call me crazy, but it is this "freedom" that got us in the pot we're in. As for no more wars, that's highly unlikely, primarily for the reason that as you unchain us, you also unchain corporate power to the maximum and they'll need armies to fight their resource/market wars as they always have.
There are far too many ideological options for those who crave individual liberty (as I do, like you) but with the realization that we need a system that distributes power effectively to all as much as possible. You should strongly consider another direction. Libertarianism--which is really classical liberalism--has the weakness of all liberal ideas: it simply does not recognize the existence and coercive nature of power relations in societies.
YOur path is the ticket to a corporate world government, and if you haven't noticed, we're already getting there without any more help.
Spot on Skip_Townes. Laffing Garfield is a perfect example of the blissfully ignorance disease that has completely infected our citizenry. Laffing Garfield reminds me of Joe the Plumber. These people will gleefully vote against their own economic interests and without realization more tyranny. Where were the Libertarians when we needed them in the last 8 years? Kissing up to Wall Street for one. We have too many Laffing Garfields to cure if we're going to get a better news media that is non-biased down the road.
in fairness, i'll take someone who's at least trying over someone who isn't. most of the libertarians know something's wrong, and that's a start. they also have a suspicion of power that is necessary and useful at the moment, and that's an even better start. now all they need to do is understand that you can't have a laissez faire society without the rotten apples creeping up to dominate the barrel all over again, which in turn will extinguish their precious liberty. they'll get it, eventually. I hope...:)
The libertarians.
I agree with you, Skip_Townes (and BTW, nice comments today. I have enjoyed your insights) It is very understandable why people (young especially) are attracted to this party because it is all about freedom, liberty and less gov't - and who doesn't want these things. But, then you get into their economic philosophy and everything changes - at least it did for me.
A few years ago I was trying to find the political philosophy for me (I'm young) and I found myself gravitating towards the libertarian party. But, I just couldn't get on board with their economics will fix everything stance - laissez-faire. What baffled me about the libertarian ideology is that they never seem to talk about exploitation or equality. Seriously, can any libertarian show me a libertarian book that addresses this problem??? They simply skip over the rich history of examples of horrible exploitation at the hands of capitalists who had ZERO regulations in regards to labor and day-to-day business. I can't figure out if these people are disingenuous or just plain ignorant. I really like Ron Paul and Peter Schiff, but I would be curious to hear their answers about how their philosophy would keep exploitation from reoccurring.
I don't hate the libertarians completely. I love their civil libertarian side but their economic side disgusts me. When I once tried to communicate with a Libertarian group, I presented myself as a civil libertarian but against their economic policies and I got the boot. They would say "Oh, you're a liberal, not a libertarian. We don't care so much about civil liberties as we do about the economy and since you're against our economic platform, fuck off!" That was 6 years ago. I wouldn't trust the Libertarian Party today.
Hi Sioux Rose, As usual you have spoken the truth eloquently. Phil Donahue comes to mind as a popular voice of the people that was completely and quickly squelched by the MSM.
I just love my choice of one, count 'em: ONE cable company. When you complain of poor service and equipment, they tell you to "upgrade". I actually had one of their techs tell me that I could get on a waiting list for a better converter box but that it would be a long wait because they want you to go to the next level of service with a better box and of course more $.
Choice IS Freedom.
One of the things I have noticed lately is a little bit more balance, i.e. Rachel Maddow, but not nearly enough.
I just got done reading the Zinn piece myself and wondered why no comments. With very few changes he speaks for me.
Sioux Rose
ELAINE: Thanks for the compliment. I unplugged over 2 years ago, and I have a good collection of fine films if I REALLY need that "other voice" in my home. Otherwise I read, am on the computer, outside, or writing. What was the statistic? Doesn't the average American spend about 5 hours a day in the COMPANY of their TV? And imagine all the children raised on that medium, programmed before they are mature enough to conceive of independent thoughts. It's a blessing and a curse.
About the only think I watch on TV is......HOCKEY .
And no it dont make me into a warmmonger.....;)
Not as yet.....
There is more to it. What's the excuse for continuing to torture after we were already in Iraq? Those people are depraved, and want limitless power and to be feared -- and they are sociopathic sadists.
bluepilgrim May 16th, 2009 11:37 am.............."There is more to it. What's the excuse for continuing to torture after we were already in Iraq?".
Quite simple...to create a false link through fake confessions linking the false flag/LIE of 9/11 to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Here's a hell of an article for one of the motives behind 9/11..don't give up on he length.....
http:/www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/Collateral
_Damage_911.pdf
Dear President Obysmal: You better start wondering what Hell is going to look like. I can tell you one thing, you'll have to watch Fux News all the time with your eyes clamped open like Malcolm McDowell in "Clockwork Orange".
Dear President Obysmal: You better start wondering what Hell is going to look like.
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Um, he has a vacation home there!
· Yr Obd't Servant
MY FRIENDS IN THIS WEBSITE: ONLY SOCIALISM OF THE XXI CENTURY CAN SAVE USA, GET AWAY FROM CONSPIRACY THEORY MOVEMENT !!
IN FACT I WILL WRITE A BLOGGER AGAINST THE CONSPIRACY THEORY, LIBERTARIAN MOVEMENT IN AMERICA BECAUSE I'VE NOTICED HOW THE CONSPIRACY THEORY MOVEMENT IS BREAKING THE USA-LEFT !!
THE FAR-RIGHT WING LIBERTARIAN, CONSPIRACY THEORY MOVEMENT ARE AGENTS OF DISINFORMATION, MISINFORMATION AND CONFUSION IN THE USA SOCIETY !!
I SAY IT CLEARLY: ONLY SOCIALISM OF THE XXI CENTURY LIKE THE DEMOCRATIC-SOCIALISM BEING APPLIED IN LATIN AMERICA CAN SAVE THE UNITED STATES.
LIBERTARIAN CONSPIRACY THEORISTS ARE AGENTS OF DISINFORMATION IN AMERICA, AND THEY WORK FOR THE THE POWERS THAT BE.
THE REAL SOLUTION FOR USA IS STATE-SOCIALISM !!
PLEASE WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLUMBER AND LISTEN TO ME. DON'T LISTEN TO ALEX JONES, RON PAUL, AND CONSPIRACY THEORISTS, THAT EVEN IF THEY ARE RIGHT IN SOME THINGS, THEY ARE JUST AGENTS OF CONFUSION !!
ONLY SOCIALISM OF THE XXI CENTURY CAN SAVE US !!
LISTEN TO HUGO CHAVEZ, EVO MORALES AND RAFAEL CORREA OF ECUADOR !! THEY ARE TRUE AGENTS OF CHANGE !!
CHE GUEVARA, FIDEL CASTRO CAN ALSO SHOW USA THE WAY !! OUT OF THIS MESS !!
GIVE ME 1000 GEORGE W. BUSH OVER 1 LIBERTARIAN FREE-STATER !!
Give me 10000000 Adolf Hitlers, Caligulas and Attila the Hun over 1 Borders Book store and Starbucks Coffee Middle class bourgeoise libertarian, conspiracy theory lunatic !!
Only socialism can save America, not the stupid, dumbfounded Ayn Rand ideology of drug-addicts and immoral libertarianism (which is criminal capitalist-anarchism)
What’s with this far-right libertarian movement in the United States? Even Cindy Sheehan is embracing libertarianism. I was in the Cindy Sheehan site debating with some far-right wing conspiracy theory libertarian nut, and they said socialism is fascism because of USSR and Stalin. Why are so many people in the USA libertarian, who is brainwashing americans into choosing libertarianism and the anti-tax, militant terrorist group Te-Bag as a solution for America’s economic problems.
I give up teaching the inane dumbfounded people of this country that socialism is the only viable alternative for America, because we have realist-scientific historical and present proofs that socialism can work at decreasing poverty-levels and preventing economic collapse (The best evidence is: Venezuela, Argentina, Ecuador, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, etc. etc.) those nations are not full-socialists yet but at least are moving further away from capitalist free market ideology.
Libertarianism means more capitalism, and more capitalism can only lead to more concentration of wealth in the upper-classes, not democracy for the people and only socialism can provide a real democracy, not libertarianism.
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Don't give up on teaching my ignorant ass buddy. Those capitals are expanding my mind like crazy.
Most folks don't know what communism or socialism is and the complex formulations therof. Due to decades of propaganda, it is no wonder why people equate "Communism" with Stalin. Everyone should take a comparative govt. and politics course just for starters, then political theory. Otherwise the discussion about these issues quickly becomes utter nonsense.
Yes, I've noticed.
Time to go?..Netherlands?..Sweden?...Denmark?...Realistic and happy cultures..not living under illusions. Now, which is the easiest language to learn and will they let in a poor man?
Holland - isn't that where the Bilderbergers first got together?
Dutch is similar to German. From what I've seen of Holland, it seems to be a pretty good place.
My cyber bud says he's sticking around to fight.....I said, "By yourself? the vast majority is hypnotized and does not give a crap!
I lived in NL for over five years (2002-8) and did not want to leave, it aint perfect but:
Bicyle infrastructure and urban planning probably the best in the world
Some of the best public transportation and immaculately clean buses
Unbelievably smooth roads
Very safe, low levels of violnent crime, but you will get your bike stolen if you are not extremely dilligent about locking it.
They treat drug addiction as a medical issue not a criminal issue.
Heineken only costs 8 euros a case!
Coffee shops (where more than just coffe is served)
Everyone speaks English
Basic TV includes: BBC1-4, BBC World 24 hour news, Al-Jazeera English, Euronews, German, French, Belgian, Swiss TV channels and of course Dutch channels.
However the weather is not so good to say the least
ever visit Seattle?
The weather may not be good out here in Minnesota but NL obviously sounds far superior. There could be a lot more improvements in America if only there would be more unity and less individualism although we have to draw the line somewhere.
I'll take Holland. Maybe Norway.
Yep...The Netherlands looks good....secular...pot cafes....high population, though.
Wonder how they feel about Amerikanos? I know some German...it's a start!